*spoilers* do you like Disney's answer to Rey's parents?

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redpill
*spoilers* do you like Disney's answer to Rey's parents?

as stated by Kylo Ren in Last Jedi?

or would you prefer Daisy is a skywalker, a kenobi, a palpatine, or a daughter of some other force sensitive like ezra or kanaan or even quinlan vos - psychometry

would you prefer Luke explaining to Daisy why he abandoned her on jakku


or leia explaining she had another child with han solo and she was rey

and after kylo turned leia han and luke decided together to leave her on jakku to hide her from kylo

or kylo explaining to rey they're brother and sister

or obi wan as a force ghost explaining shes a kenobi

or even luke telling rey shes the daughter of palpatine

or ezra or kanaan or even quinlan



while disney can say anything they want to say, i would prefer rey is quinlan's daughter which explains her power of psychometry on luke's lightsaber

disney's actual answer seems a little like a cop out.

ares834
Yes. Rey being a "nobody" was perfect.

Dark-Kenshin
Better than her being Luke or Leia's daughter. That would've been cliche as hell.

JediRobin23

ares834
That's always been the case though. Palpatine's parents were "randoms". Obi-Wan's parents were "randoms". And so on and so on.

Bashar Teg
apart from anakin and luke, there is no film-canon confirmation of any relatives among the jedi. also it never was even implied that special genetic lineage was required to be powerful with the force, only that inheritance of power can occur.

Rebel95
I just think in the context of the other Star Wars movies, it's unrealistic that a random force sensitive can have raw power that rivals that of the grandson of the Chosen One.

Sith Master X
I'm ok with this, however, it doesn't really fit in well with what Abrams was setting up in TFA...a problem when one writer/director ships the series off to another writer/director.

I honestly feel like in TFA there was every intention of setting REY up to be a Skywalker. I really think that's where JJ was going with it.

One line in particular from MAZ seems completely out of place now "I have lived long enough to see the same eyes in many people. I see your eyes, I know your eyes." That line was written with importance to it and to allude that she was related to someone important....no question about it.

Also, the lightsaber calling to Rey.....her ability to beat an enemy with years of training. It just feels like everything was being set up for REY to be either the daughter of Luke or Leia.

JediRobin23
Originally posted by Rebel95
I just think in the context of the other Star Wars movies, it's unrealistic that a random force sensitive can have raw power that rivals that of the grandson of the Chosen One.

Yes. Episode 1-9. Have respect for the sky walkers lineage.....other movies, do whatever...

In ESB, Palpatine senses a new enemy, a force being (Luke) that is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker......

Darth Thor

Rebel95

redpill
why did luke lightsaber which belong to his father anakin call out to a random person?

why was rey able to get hold of anakin's lightsaber over anakin's own grand son ben solo

makes no sense to me sad

Bashar Teg
i just assume it's the will of the force reaching out to rey aa opposed to a skywalker family talisman. i like it better as well.

Darth Luminous
Originally posted by Rebel95
I just think in the context of the other Star Wars movies, it's unrealistic that a random force sensitive can have raw power that rivals that of the grandson of the Chosen One.

Unless she's a new Chosen One...

Lord Lucien
F*ck those other specific Star Wars movies and their Chosen One bullshit. Leave that tired garbage tripe in the past.

queeq
I think the whole point of Rey's parents being nobodies is that Force users can pop up anywhere. The ways of the Force are once again mysterious. And that is fine.

Darth Luminous
Force users could always pop up anywhere, that was the whole point of the Jedi finding children to induct into the order in the PT.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Darth Luminous
Force users could always pop up anywhere, that was the whole point of the Jedi finding children to induct into the order in the PT.

Right? I don't see why people feel this is suddenly some new and special thing.

Though I find the explanation for her power growing to be a little dry and unimaginative.

JediRobin23

Zenwolf
Well given that Rian wrote the script by the seat of his pants(apparently), that doesn't sound surprising and yet again we could get changes in EP 9 which make 8 just pointless.

Then again 8 also changed or dismissed things from 7 so that wouldn't be surprising.

JediRobin23

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Right? I don't see why people feel this is suddenly some new and special thing.

Though I find the explanation for her power growing to be a little dry and unimaginative. If Force users could be anyone, then that means there's nothing inherently special about that person to merit the gift of Force use. And there's nothing an insecure audience member hates more than being subversively told their fantasy stand-in (the Jedi/Sith characters) aren't inherently special. Because that means they couldn't be either.

Sith Master X
I take no issues with Rey being a nobody. The only thing is that TFA really doesn't build it up to be that way. Not that it's a huge deal I guess, because it isn't, but the movie does build her up to be someone.

(Maz has lived long enough to see the same eyes in many people, she knows Rey's eyes....the lightsaber was first Anakin's, then Lukes....and now it calls to you." During the force vision scene after the Knights of Ren are standing in the rain over the dead bodies we see Rey presumably being abandoned on Jakku...) It feels like there's all some huge connection.

It could be that I'm just seeing what I want to see, but after TLJ, which I did in fact love, it feels like so many things from TFA were all for nothing.

queeq
I agree with that. There doesn't seem to be any kind of show runner here. Like Rian jutted changed the things he didn't like some things JJ set up so clearly to be fulfilled.

But maybe 'subverting' expectations is the new Disney policy. And that is also why movies are not going to win from tv series. TV series can't do that, it'll get stale quickly. They actually have to work from story and characters.

Let's see how JJ is going to 'adjust' Rian's work now.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by Sith Master X
It could be that I'm just seeing what I want to see, but after TLJ, which I did in fact love, it feels like so many things from TFA were all for nothing. I'm in favour of that. As enjoyable as TFA was, it still felt like it was just going to be one of those "Hero becomes who they who were meant to be" destiny stories. I've seen those, don't want another. At least in this franchise.


I don't mind the set-up that it's going to be a special person learning how special they are by dint of birth... and the rug gets pulled and they learn the bleak truth that they're a nobody... who still becomes someone special. Set-up, fall down, get back up anyway. Cool beans.


The actual reason-- that Abrams' script was essentially a standalone work in a planned trilogy, leaving Johnson to write his own follow-up sans an ultimate goal-- notwithstanding.

queeq
A bit like the OT.

Except Empire is a masterpiece.

Lord Lucien
Anyone else finding the overwhelming antipathy toward Luke's fleeting moment of temptation about Ben to be just a smidge... stupid? Like... people seem to REALLY need Luke to be utterly and irrevocably just and pure post-RotJ. Like that one instance of resistance with the Emperor means he'll never ever ever ever have another moment of doubt or weakness again... somehow? No matter how brief it was, he needs to be f*cking perfect?



And here I was thinking people didn't want a Mary Sue.

Darth Thor

JediRobin23

JediRobin23

Kickballjedi
Originally posted by queeq
I think the whole point of Rey's parents being nobodies is that Force users can pop up anywhere. The ways of the Force are once again mysterious. And that is fine.

The Force works in mysterious ways?

I came up with a new theory recently- Schmi was a random slave on Tatooine and the story (as told by Sidius in RotS) is that Plagueis created life from Midichlorians. There's been some debate but I believe Anakin was the life created by Plagueis (no Father per Schmi- highest midichlorian count, etc). What if Plagueis (some have suggested Snoke was actually Plagueis) created life again, using a random dirt farmer on Jakku? Result: Rey.

CaveDude33211
Originally posted by Kickballjedi
The Force works in mysterious ways?

I came up with a new theory recently- Schmi was a random slave on Tatooine and the story (as told by Sidius in RotS) is that Plagueis created life from Midichlorians. There's been some debate but I believe Anakin was the life created by Plagueis (no Father per Schmi- highest midichlorian count, etc). What if Plagueis (some have suggested Snoke was actually Plagueis) created life again, using a random dirt farmer on Jakku? Result: Rey.

LOL @ Snoke being Plagueis

CaveDude33211
Originally posted by Darth Luminous
Unless she's a new Chosen One...

The Prophecy of the Chosen One was fulfilled.

No new Chosen Ones.

-kV-
Originally posted by Sith Master X
I take no issues with Rey being a nobody. The only thing is that TFA really doesn't build it up to be that way. Not that it's a huge deal I guess, because it isn't, but the movie does build her up to be someone.

(Maz has lived long enough to see the same eyes in many people, she knows Rey's eyes....the lightsaber was first Anakin's, then Lukes....and now it calls to you." During the force vision scene after the Knights of Ren are standing in the rain over the dead bodies we see Rey presumably being abandoned on Jakku...) It feels like there's all some huge connection.

It could be that I'm just seeing what I want to see, but after TLJ, which I did in fact love, it feels like so many things from TFA were all for nothing.

Rey's vision goes to the night at the temple, which is the key conflict between Luke and Kylo that she becomes involved in TLJ. It goes to the day she was permanently abandoned by her parents, which Maz already tells her ('they're not coming back') and Kylo forces her to admit it in TLJ. Lastly it goes to the forest, where she truly realizes her powers, and once again Kylo is there too. Kylo is the main figure in her vision.

When Maz says that someone is coming to her and the belonging she seeks is ahead of her, she's speaking about...Kylo. Rey thinks it's Luke, but it's really Kylo.

====================

Anyway, my main issue wasn't Rey's parents not being from being a special lineage, but rather how in like a month or two (whatever timeframe TFA + TLJ happened back to back) she has the fighting aptitude and Force strength of a Jedi who has trained for years.

xPRIMEx
Episode IX is retconning this, Rey's parentage will be explained differently

roughrider
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Episode IX is retconning this, Rey's parentage will be explained differently

Not exactly. Kylo Ren did tell her the truth (from a certain point of view wink ) but it wasn't the whole story. Now that we have the whole story, I say yes, I'm happy with it. Despite Rey's noble, heroic nature, they was something wild and dangerous about her as a force wielder in the previous two films. Now we know why.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by roughrider
Not exactly. Kylo Ren did tell her the truth (from a certain point of view wink ) but it wasn't the whole story. Now that we have the whole story, I say yes, I'm happy with it. Despite Rey's noble, heroic nature, they was something wild and dangerous about her as a force wielder in the previous two films. Now we know why.


Nah it was a complete retcon. A response to the fan backlash.

Colin Trevorrows Episode 9 script had been leaked and it confirms she was always intended to be a nobody.

And darkness in her would have been down to her strong force connection to Kylo.

Besides... why would her grandfather she never knew have anything to do with how good or bad she is. That makes no sense at all.

Putinbot1
I like anything to do with Daisy Ridley.

roughrider
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah it was a complete retcon. A response to the fan backlash.

Colin Trevorrows Episode 9 script had been leaked and it confirms she was always intended to be a nobody.

And darkness in her would have been down to her strong force connection to Kylo.

Besides... why would her grandfather she never knew have anything to do with how good or bad she is. That makes no sense at all.

I wasn't expecting Palpatine's return but it does makes sense because he was there at the beginning, so he should be there at the end.

The OT was about the heroic rise of Luke Skywalker. When you add the PT to it, it becomes about the Rise, Fall, and Rise again of Anakin Skywalker. But now when you add the ST, it becomes about the intertwining of two family trees, the Skywalkers and the Palpatines.

You want to make films about heroes who are nobodies, that's what future films are for or the anthology films like Rogue One. Episodes 1-9 are definitely about family connections. Episode 1 started with a nobody (Anakin), the next trilogy was about the journey of his progeny (Luke and Leia), and the trilogy after that proved to about Palpatine's progeny, Rey. It creates a perfect parallel.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by roughrider
I wasn't expecting Palpatine's return but it does makes sense because he was there at the beginning, so he should be there at the end.

The OT was about the heroic rise of Luke Skywalker. When you add the PT to it, it becomes about the Rise, Fall, and Rise again of Anakin Skywalker. But now when you add the ST, it becomes about the intertwining of two family trees, the Skywalkers and the Palpatines.

You want to make films about heroes who are nobodies, that's what future films are for or the anthology films like Rogue One. Episodes 1-9 are definitely about family connections. Episode 1 started with a nobody (Anakin), the next trilogy was about the journey of his progeny (Luke and Leia), and the trilogy after that proved to about Palpatine's progeny, Rey. It creates a perfect parallel.


Im glad that worked for you. And I envy you for that.. Because I wish All 9 worked for me.

Im just pointing out a few facts though. Fact 1: Rey was intended to be a nobody, they panicked and retconned that for the final film. Fact 2: There were also no plans to bring back Palpatine for this film. That again was another panic move. Fact 3: This was never intended to be the end of the Skywalker saga, until (yet again) they panicked and retconned it to be that.

So because there was no intention of retconning later when beginning this trilogy, the trilogy does not flow well IMO. Because... well... it wasnt planned out.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Im glad that worked for you. And I envy you for that.. Because I wish All 9 worked for me.

Im just pointing out a few facts though. Fact 1: Rey was intended to be a nobody, they panicked and retconned that for the final film. Fact 2: There were also no plans to bring back Palpatine for this film. That again was another panic move. Fact 3: This was never intended to be the end of the Skywalker saga, until (yet again) they panicked and retconned it to be that.

So because there was no intention of retconning later when beginning this trilogy, the trilogy does not flow well IMO. Because... well... it wasnt planned out.

It's also been brought up, that Snoke could have still worked if they went with that cloning angle, just axe Palps involvement. Soo....Snoke could have still been the big bad, there's a missed opportunity there.

Galan007
Snoke 100% should have been the big bad.

roughrider
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Im glad that worked for you. And I envy you for that.. Because I wish All 9 worked for me.

Im just pointing out a few facts though. Fact 1: Rey was intended to be a nobody, they panicked and retconned that for the final film. Fact 2: There were also no plans to bring back Palpatine for this film. That again was another panic move. Fact 3: This was never intended to be the end of the Skywalker saga, until (yet again) they panicked and retconned it to be that.

So because there was no intention of retconning later when beginning this trilogy, the trilogy does not flow well IMO. Because... well... it wasnt planned out.

You should read George Lucas last biography, where despite his claims of planning this movies well out in advance, for the OT he was still flying by the seat of his pants and butting heads with creative collaborators like Gary Kurtz and Lawrence Kasdan. Making Leia Luke's secret sister was as random as bringing back Palpatine in TROS, and done just to satisfy narrative demands. Repeating the Death Star plot wasn't something forecasted well in advance, Lucas just decided to do it. Boba Fett got a rather anticlimactic death because Lucas couldn't come up with anything better.

Things always swirl and change behind the scenes making these films, this is not just something the new heads at Lucasfilm do. If there was less of that for the Prequels, it's because the destinies of most of the characters were already locked in, it was about the journey instead.

roughrider
Originally posted by Zenwolf
It's also been brought up, that Snoke could have still worked if they went with that cloning angle, just axe Palps involvement. Soo....Snoke could have still been the big bad, there's a missed opportunity there.

Snoke looked like a Frankenstein from the beginning. It makes sense now that he was a puppet, a placeholder until The Final Order was ready.

Sheev
What I don't get is - if Rey was Palpatines grandchild, who in the phuck was his actual child? How powerful were they? Why were they ignored? confused

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Sheev
What I don't get is - if Rey was Palpatines grandchild, who in the phuck was his actual child? How powerful were they? Why were they ignored? confused

Apparently his son didn't have The Force, soo...yeah, I guess it skipped him for whatever reason. Because you'd think his son would be the more logical choice since...well he's right there, but Palps just ignored him for whatever stupid reason.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by ares834
Yes. Rey being a "nobody" was perfect.

Was.

sad

Darth Thor
Originally posted by roughrider
You should read George Lucas last biography, where despite his claims of planning this movies well out in advance, for the OT he was still flying by the seat of his pants and butting heads with creative collaborators like Gary Kurtz and Lawrence Kasdan. Making Leia Luke's secret sister was as random as bringing back Palpatine in TROS, and done just to satisfy narrative demands. Repeating the Death Star plot wasn't something forecasted well in advance, Lucas just decided to do it. Boba Fett got a rather anticlimactic death because Lucas couldn't come up with anything better.

Things always swirl and change behind the scenes making these films, this is not just something the new heads at Lucasfilm do. If there was less of that for the Prequels, it's because the destinies of most of the characters were already locked in, it was about the journey instead.


Difference is Lucas didnt panick and change plans. It was all part of the creative process for him. And all his singular vision. Which is why it doesnt come across as an inconsistent mess.

The ST was more like the DCEU. Lose audiences, get hate then panic and change plans.

Sheev
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Apparently his son didn't have The Force, soo...yeah, I guess it skipped him for whatever reason. Because you'd think his son would be the more logical choice since...well he's right there, but Palps just ignored him for whatever stupid reason. That's really weird to me because I thought force sensitivity had a lot to do with ones bloodline - that's why the Skywalkers and Palpatines are so powerful.

So I don't get how his son just wouldn't inherit those abilities? confused

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Sheev
That's really weird to me because I thought force sensitivity had a lot to do with ones bloodline - that's why the Skywalkers and Palpatines are so powerful.

So I don't get how his son just wouldn't inherit those abilities? confused

Because....reasons.

Lord Lucien
Originally posted by roughrider
You should read George Lucas last biography, where despite his claims of planning this movies well out in advance, for the OT he was still flying by the seat of his pants and butting heads with creative collaborators like Gary Kurtz and Lawrence Kasdan. Making Leia Luke's secret sister was as random as bringing back Palpatine in TROS, and done just to satisfy narrative demands. Repeating the Death Star plot wasn't something forecasted well in advance, Lucas just decided to do it. Boba Fett got a rather anticlimactic death because Lucas couldn't come up with anything better. Lucas is given too much credit for Star Wars. He started it, but he didn't make the best parts of it.

YousufKhan1212
Yeah I can accept Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter. Heck People have been suspecting this since TFA came out in 2015 from what I remember because Daisy Ridley's jabs somewhat resembled Ian Mcdiarmid's jabs, and they both had posh English accents. At the time, the theory was dubious, 4 years later... It's now canon.

xPRIMEx
Originally posted by Sheev
That's really weird to me because I thought force sensitivity had a lot to do with ones bloodline - that's why the Skywalkers and Palpatines are so powerful.

So I don't get how his son just wouldn't inherit those abilities? confused
My interpretation was that his son chose to be nobody. He probably was very force sensitive but chose a different path.

Putinbot1
Imagine if Rey and Kylo had offspring, the Midichlorians...

Zenwolf
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
My interpretation was that his son chose to be nobody. He probably was very force sensitive but chose a different path.

Because Palpatine would just allow that?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Because Palpatine would just allow that?

Palps probably didn't give a shit about him.

He was too busy drinking Alderaan wine and banging Twi'lek bitches.

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