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No prep.
No BFR.
Classic versions/no amps.
Who really is the #1 GL?

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Alan would son him. But powerwise, best vs best I would say they are equals.

https://m.imgur.com/NlguqbQ

Alan has jammed his ring before, I assume he could do it again.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Alan would son him. But powerwise, best vs best I would say they are equals.

Alan is sooo much better

Alan Multiversal of the Green Vs Hal God of will would be a good fight, but Hal is probably a tier above him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Alan is sooo much better

Personality or power?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Alan would son him. But powerwise, best vs best I would say they are equals.
So, sonned on skill?

Hal is #1 for majority of time

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Personality or power?


both. ...i just like the way alans powers work as opposed to hals. even though hal may pack more punch. personality wise its no contest.

I have a soft spot for Alan too. All the JSA old guard, really.

Using the only test that matters:


Batman talks shit to Hal Jordan all the time. As he does Superman, Guy, Spectre..



Batman has never, ever messed with Alan Scott. And he's had opportunities.


When you're the guy Batman knows better then to mess with, you've got my vote.

Originally posted by cdtm
Using the only test that matters:


Batman talks shit to Hal Jordan all the time. As he does Superman, Guy, Spectre..



Batman has never, ever messed with Alan Scott. And he's had opportunities.


When you're the guy Batman knows better then to mess with, you've got my vote.
Thats...not bad!

Assuming no special amps, and the versions specified, the main difference between the two of them is power v. versatility. There are esoteric feats Hal has (and frankly, Kyle too) that Alan doesn't. But Alan's top-end power feats are > other GLs, though the gap is smaller between him and other tier 1 GLs like Hal. Hal possesses equivalent or better power feats, but it's been under some sort of significant amp, like when he decked Alan (and others) as Parallax.

In a head-to-head fight, this difference matters. Because in a tourney where you'd probably prefer, say, 80% of the raw power of Alan, but 40% more versatility feats, in a fight between the two, the esoteric stuff drops off a bit, because it's reasonable to assume Alan can at least counter it, and will eventually make it about raw willpower. And in that regard, he has few to no equals in comics. It's a variant on the same reason Thor gets drafted in tourneys more than Superman, despite the fact that Kal would beat him straight-up.

Digi, did you just try to say Alan has more willpower than Hal?

Originally posted by Digi
Assuming no special amps, and the versions specified, the main difference between the two of them is power v. versatility. There are esoteric feats Hal has (and frankly, Kyle too) that Alan doesn't. But Alan's top-end power feats are > other GLs, though the gap is smaller between him and other tier 1 GLs like Hal. Hal possesses equivalent or better power feats, but it's been under some sort of significant amp, like when he decked Alan (and others) as Parallax.

In a head-to-head fight, this difference matters. Because in a tourney where you'd probably prefer, say, 80% of the raw power of Alan, but 40% more versatility feats, in a fight between the two, the esoteric stuff drops off a bit, because it's reasonable to assume Alan can at least counter it, and will eventually make it about raw willpower. And in that regard, he has few to no equals in comics. It's a variant on the same reason Thor gets drafted in tourneys more than Superman, despite the fact that Kal would beat him straight-up.
Disagree, Hal has at least as good feats of power as Alan. And Alan has himself said Hal has no equals when it comes to willpower.

Thor is a different type of character than Superman. He may be more popular in tournaments but when it comes to being the top dog, Superman is almost always going to beat pretty much everyone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Disagree, Hal has at least as good feats of power as Alan. And Alan has himself said Hal has no equals when it comes to willpower.

Thor is a different type of character than Superman. He may be more popular in tournaments but when it comes to being the top dog, Superman is almost always going to beat pretty much everyone.

Agreed on willpower, not on power feats. It's close, but I think Alan's are better.

There's no "may" about it with tourney popularity. Thor's basically the most successful character in tourney history, on balance. I did say he loses to Supes 1-v-1 though, so I don't think we're in any disagreement.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Digi, did you just try to say Alan has more willpower than Hal?

Mm, that may not be the exact way it should be phrased. So no, I wouldn't make this claim. But I do think his best raw power feats trump Hal's (sans amps). Doesn't mean his willpower is greater, necessarily, but I do think it would be the deciding factor in this (very, very close) fight.

^^^Thanks for the input, Digi.

I may take that back though, if you inadvertently turned this into an abhi/Superman thread with your comments above.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Thanks for the input, Digi.

I may take that back though, if you inadvertently turned this into an abhi/Superman thread with your comments above.

Yeah, I realized my error, but it was too late. You have my apologies.

Originally posted by Digi
Agreed on willpower, not on power feats. It's close, but I think Alan's are better.

There's no "may" about it with tourney popularity. Thor's basically the most successful character in tourney history, on balance. I did say he loses to Supes 1-v-1 though, so I don't think we're in any disagreement.





Not really. The same guy who wrote most of Alan's better feats wanked Hal to hell and further.

Krona buster remains the strongest energy blast from any herald, even godblast.

Sinesto casually beating a white light user who took down an entire team of GL heavy hitters that included Kyle, John, and Ganthet may top that, wankery wise.

Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, I realized my error, but it was too late. You have my apologies.


no worries!

Hal Jordan has evolved so much in the past year or so. He's skyfather plus, at least. He's taking it to Parallax (Zero Hour)

https://i.imgur.com/WY9bg5S.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wXUkh81.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6y8vvDM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jD1I3HL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8Wn8b4J.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vMQy4q0.jpg

Hal Jordan Vs Sinestrollax:

https://i.imgur.com/1QJuXFL.png
https://i.imgur.com/35g0bMU.png
https://i.imgur.com/EfOGf15.png
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https://i.imgur.com/LCr5frO.png
https://i.imgur.com/1Au1yBj.png
https://i.imgur.com/u9L4ubK.png

Don't think Alan Scott hasn't evolved too. The writers have made him into a Dr. Manhattan type of being, where he has lost his humanity. Here, he fights Darkseid and taps into the Green of the Multiverse, as well as the Avatars on earth.

https://i.imgur.com/7P1MyTx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AQRGhBt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8XNOu3B.jpg

Hmmm if we're talking classic I personally think SA/PCOIE. if thats the vase than I rank them based on a crossover. In said story Crona disspossess Alan of his body and takes over. Using Alan's body hendefeats Hal and then takes down the Guardians. Alan in spirit form then aids Hal's will to defeat Crona.

Personally I see this as having them more as equals or pretty damn close. Obviously Crona has greater will Alan.

If we go off post COIE then we have Alans story from GLC where Abin Sur borrowed a 1942 Alan scot's ring to fight an enemy who jad taken his and those of a few other GLs. He made some reference that he was impressed with the power.

Regarding versatility I dont think Alan's ring lacks it bit he did in classic tales use it less. In the GA Alan used his ring to alter (matter manip) gold into paper, to shrink himself, and quite a few versatile things he juat wasnt shown doing them as often

Zach, read the friggin' OP. It's classic versions.

Originally posted by Digi
Zach, read the friggin' OP. It's classic versions.
Nice scan dump, though.
Completely irrelevant here, but nice!

what you mean by classic version?
pre52 or pre crisis? pre crisis hal was insanely powerful, he was able to stop time, he was on pre-crisis superman level
dunno anything about pre crisis JSA, other than Dr Fate being haxx

If i'd meant pre Crisis i'd have said so. Sorry for any confusion, but everyone else seemed to get it, scan dump notwithstanding.

Originally posted by riv6672
If i'd meant pre Crisis i'd have said so. Sorry for any confusion, but everyone else seemed to get it, scan dump notwithstanding.

apology not accepted

Ah, no problem. Go **** yourself.

Originally posted by riv6672
Ah, no problem. Go **** yourself.

Im tired of phukin your mom

Oh no, a mom reference, on the internet, complete with the word **** spelled out in millennial!

I know this is "classic versions", but does Hal's new Krona ring need charging?

Biggest change up from classic to modern day gl's, is the rings used to give 100% output for 24 hours, full stop. That means they could never be drained (Instead, they were depowered using time warps and such..)

Modern rings operate off a charge like a battery, and can (and have) ran out faster depending on use. This is a HUGE disadvantage against someone like Alan Scott, who was retconned as mainlining all the wild magic in the universe, and can never run out of juice.

So, just wondering if the "willpower ring" basically mainlines "will", and doesn't need charging like conventional rings..

^^^Not. A. Clue!

And thanks for the Bump.

Merry Christmas.

None of Zack's images are showing, and I haven't seen Zero Hour Parallax (Am assuming it's divergence related), but in the case of Sinestro, it should be noted Hal only "took it to him" by making like a human bomb, and dying.

Not exactly a good feat if you want to win.

Kyle > Alan > Hal

Originally posted by Mindset
Kyle > Alan > Hal

Best every GL.

And word of advice, Don't read Hal and the Green Lantern Corps.

Stripped him of the white power ring, made him screw up a Sinestro/GL union by making Sinestro's daughter go crazy because he just learned they had a kid together, and he went back in time to kill the alliance, then died. And Kyle never told her within the single day he learned about it, and she blamed him and turned her evil because of COURSE the first thing you do when you learn you made a time traveling Hitler with a girl you only just asked on a date is to tell her you lost your future child..

That and general making him look bad compared to Hal.

Originally posted by cdtm
Merry Christmas.

None of Zack's images are showing, and I haven't seen Zero Hour Parallax (Am assuming it's divergence related), but in the case of Sinestro, it should be noted Hal only "took it to him" by making like a human bomb, and dying.

Not exactly a good feat if you want to win.

Parallax ran away.