Mark Hamill: "He's not my Luke Skywalker."

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Azronger
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIY-PsHrj9A

Not mine either.

quanchi112
It is canon so deal with it, fanboys. I am always amused by how fanboys want to block out reality when it doesn't jive with their ideas.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Azronger
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIY-PsHrj9A

Not mine either.

And it doesn't have to be. It's for a new Generation which we don't understand. Disneys Marketing people know what they are doing in order to make money. That's the business.

They don't need us old fans, so we should move on. Leave the new SW for the new gen. We don't have to follow it, watch it or buy it, we have enough other Worlds to Explore.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is canon so deal with it, fanboys. I am always amused by how fanboys want to block out reality when it doesn't jive with their ideas.

This is a value judgment, we're not in the vs. forum lol.

ares834

Dark-Kenshin
"If he made a mistake, he would try to right that wrong."

Word. That right there is in a nutshell the reason why this version of Luke is incompatible with the one we saw in ROTJ.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
"If he made a mistake, he would try to right that wrong."

Word. That right there is in a nutshell the reason why this version of Luke is incompatible with the one we saw in ROTJ. Experiences change people. Luke was changed by what occurred after Rotj. For ****s sake this is just human development 101.

Nephthys
#NotMyLuke

Darth Thor

Zenwolf
Has Mark ever said about reading the books or comics involving Luke?

Dark-Kenshin
Originally posted by quanchi112
Experiences change people. Luke was changed by what occurred after Rotj. For ****s sake this is just human development 101. No, good writing changes people. There was none here. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. If you wanna make Luke Skywalker into the pathetic figure we saw in this movie, you have to do a hell of lot more than simply say "he's changed."

You have to show the audience what made Luke give up on the level optimism he was willing to express for even the likes of Darth ****ing Vader, a real and actual dark lord of the sith, in ROTJ. Luke saw no good in Kylo? Yet the movie itself shows Kylo unable to kill Leia after becoming a Sith Lord? Yet Snoke himself is shown telling us he's blatantly conflicted? You mean to tell me Luke couldn't see any of that BEFORE the dude became Snoke's apprentice? Bullsh-t, movie! Complete bullsh-t. laughing out loud

You have to show the audience why Luke doesn't decide to take it upon himself to right the wrong he has committed in unleashing Kylo Ren on the galaxy and letting him kill the other apprentices. At best, the movie was able to establish why he's a grumpy old gray Jedi dude who has doubts about the Jedi philosophy (i.e. Jolee Bindo), but there was nothing about his situation that supported him going to an island for 30 years and giving up completely. That's complete and total bullsh-t. laughing out loud

LordOfTheLight
He was on the island for at max, a couple of years or so.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Has Mark ever said about reading the books or comics involving Luke?
He said his son reads them all and told him he has a wife and is uber powerful

Zenwolf
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He said his son reads them all and told him he has a wife and is uber powerful

Neat, I always like it when actors get into their character outside the movies, like Christopher Reeves with Superman.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Neat, I always like it when actors get into their character outside the movies, like Christopher Reeves with Superman.

Reeves and Superman
Hamill and Luke

The directors chose wisely when choosing those actors. They live up to what the portray.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
No, good writing changes people. There was none here. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. If you wanna make Luke Skywalker into the pathetic figure we saw in this movie, you have to do a hell of lot more than simply say "he's changed."
Iyo not mine. He failed Ben and in his failure helped his descent into the dark side. That's an experience traumatic enough to bring about change., you probably don't understand how human development works. Luke was always kind of pathetic. He threw his saber down after he trounced Vader. This is subjective and your sensitive feelings are hurt. I enjoy your pain.


We see it. His own actions in standing over Ben with his lightsaber drawn. He felt shame and failed him. He saw a scared boy who was scared of him. Luke's fear overshadowed his judgment but he wasn't going to go through with it. No one is all knowing the movie holds your ****inf hand into the point that it's ok to fail to grow. Luke failed but he also learned by his own failures.

Snoke has no doubt in himself whereas Luke does. Luke doubted the Jedi and mocked them for their failures. I ****ing loved it and have been mocking you Jedi fans for years. They were chalk full of failure especially Yoda.

He believed the Jedi should end. He learned about the importance of failure and how someone can grow from it. You didn't like the film I loved it. Relax you aren't the director nor was Mark.

LordOfTheLight
The level of immaturity here is cringeworthy.

I would naturally assume that trolling is being done, but I doubt that any troll is persistent enough.

quanchi112
Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
The level of immaturity here is cringeworthy.

I would naturally assume that trolling is being done, but I doubt that any troll is persistent enough. Yeah, what's wrong with these guys. I'm glad someone else sees their immaturity too.

Azronger
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Has Mark ever said about reading the books or comics involving Luke?

As Ant said, he said his son has read everything, although he referenced Mara Jade by name in a different interview.

Psychotron
Originally posted by Azronger
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIY-PsHrj9A

Not mine either.

He's right on every point. This whole thing feels like big budget fan fiction.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
A Disneys Marketing people know what they are doing in order to make money. That's the business.


And they failed. The audience hates the movie and it has a bigger BO dropoff than BvS and the toy sales are underperforming. All the good will they generated with TFA is gone now. The Han Solo movie looks like a train wreck too, so by the time IX rolls around people will be suffering from Star Wars fatigue. Turns out purposefully alienating your core fanbase for a group of people who don't watch Star Wars is not a good business strategy.

The Merchant
Originally posted by Azronger
As Ant said, he said his son has read everything, although he referenced Mara Jade by name in a different interview.

He said in his Twitter that Luke is a lucky guy for marrying Mara :P

DarthAnt66
Title and video is misleading. In the same interview, Mark says he changed his mind when he saw the final film.

Beniboybling
There is a whole bunch of (very) selectively edited footage on the internet that tries to make out that Mark hates the movie and everything about it, and apparently the historically low rotten tomatoes score is due to fake troll accounts.

Seems a lot of people want to hate this movie quite badly kek.

|King Joker|
Originally posted by Beniboybling
and apparently the historically low rotten tomatoes score is due to fake troll accounts. Rotten Tomatoes says that the score is legitimate: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/#1eab07344231

Beniboybling
🤭

Beniboybling
Damn, reading the audience reviews and they are brutal. eek!

Darth Thor

Azronger
Originally posted by The Merchant
He said in his Twitter that Luke is a lucky guy for marrying Mara :P

Link? smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Psychotron
He's right on every point. This whole thing feels like big budget fan fiction.



And they failed. The audience hates the movie and it has a bigger BO dropoff than BvS and the toy sales are underperforming. All the good will they generated with TFA is gone now. The Han Solo movie looks like a train wreck too, so by the time IX rolls around people will be suffering from Star Wars fatigue. Turns out purposefully alienating your core fanbase for a group of people who don't watch Star Wars is not a good business strategy. You are wrong and your feelings do no matter. This film isn't hated and the quotes are taken out of context to promote an agenda. It's fine but you're just butthurt over it. This film was fantastic and art is subjective. The critics approve, sport.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Title and video is misleading. In the same interview, Mark says he changed his mind when he saw the final film. Azronger is a troll.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Rotten Tomatoes says that the score is legitimate: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/#1eab07344231
Issue with Rotten Tomatoes is that the those with extremely passionate emotions are going to go and vote on it.

It's not a fair reflection of the general public opinion, which was scored to be an A based on polling of those who came out of the theater.

MythLord
thumb up

Darth Thor

FreshestSlice
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Issue with Rotten Tomatoes is that the those with extremely passionate emotions are going to go and vote on it.

It's not a fair reflection of the general public opinion, which was scored to be an A based on polling of those who came out of the theater.
AotC also got an A. Stop with all the deflection, and just accept that people have a different opinion from you.

DarthAnt66
AotC was well-received when it came out by a lot of fans. Just read older forum posts about it.

Darth Thor

The Ellimist
dat red letter media lol

|King Joker|

The Ellimist
It's especially bad for TLJ because of how polarizing it is, and the negative viewers are the ones who are going to go on RT, etc.

Nephthys
Redlettermedia has been shit for a while tbh. This film seems to have been a nitpickers dream which seems to have been most of their "review". Frustratingly the only critic I watch who seems to have actually "got it" is Moviebob, who I also happen to hate.

quanchi112
I don't trust a guy who didn't love the Last Jedi.

Psychotron
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are wrong and your feelings do no matter. This film isn't hated and the quotes are taken out of context to promote an agenda. It's fine but you're just butthurt over it. This film was fantastic and art is subjective. The critics approve, sport.

Yeah right, it's barely keeping up with Rogue One and is light years away from TFA's BO. People have been tearing this thing a new assh*ole on RT, Metacritic, and all over the Internet. And no, nothing was hacked, it has the same number of ratings and reviews TFA had at the time.

I'm not surprised a whelp like you likes this feminist garbage though. I can smell the estrogen emanating off every post you make.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's not a fair reflection of the general public opinion, which was scored to be an A based on polling of those who came out of the theater.

You mean like Attack of the Clones and Transformers? Lmao.

Darth Thor

Psychotron
So? the RT ratings don't mean anything more than the audience ratings. Especially not when Disney owns half the entertainment industry and critics can't afford to shit on their big blockbusters. The haters excuse doesn't fly when this is literally the lowest rated Star Wars ever made. Not even TPM and AotC gathered this much vitrol, probably because they didn't shit on the OT and introduce massive plot holes that affect the whole series.

TLJ is not making bank lol. It had a huge opening weekend thanks to the good will from TFA, but that's gone now. The real test is the dropoff and TLJ failed hard there, it has a higher drop off than even BvS. The toy sales are underperforming as well, I guess little boys didn't want to play with Rey, Rose and Finn toys (who would have figured), while girls have no interest in Star Wars at all. Remember that Disney shilled out 4 billion for this franchise. Anything less than 1.5 billion will be seen as a failure by Disney. At this rate the movie will barely break even.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah right, it's barely keeping up with Rogue One and is light years away from TFA's BO. People have been tearing this thing a new assh*ole on RT, Metacritic, and all over the Internet. And no, nothing was hacked, it has the same number of ratings and reviews TFA had at the time.

I'm not surprised a whelp like you likes this feminist garbage though. I can smell the estrogen emanating off every post you make.



You mean like Attack of the Clones and Transformers? Lmao. Want to bet on it ? I bet Last Jedi makes more than Rogue One. Take the bet, chump.

TFA was the first Star Wars film in years so no shit it was going to make more than this one. Plenty of people loved it and I used to hear the same nonsense over the prequels and now the same people are saying they weren't so bad. You're butthurt over the film. Snoke destroyed her. He's a male you dunce. Kylo's loss was explained and he's a superior duelist so again he's a male. You're an idiot who is focused on the gender more so than the story.


The film is great. Your pain is also a bonus. Please cry when you watch it.

Psychotron
Originally posted by quanchi112
Want to bet on it ? I bet Last Jedi makes more than Rogue One. Take the bet, chump.

TFA was the first Star Wars film in years so no shit it was going to make more than this one. Plenty of people loved it and I used to hear the same nonsense over the prequels and now the same people are saying they weren't so bad. You're butthurt over the film. Snoke destroyed her. He's a male you dunce. Kylo's loss was explained and he's a superior duelist so again he's a male. You're an idiot who is focused on the gender more so than the story.


The film is great. Your pain is also a bonus. Please cry when you watch it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/

Good luck with that. Even if it beats R1 it will still underperform. Yeah, people loved TFA, unlike TLJ. That's kinda the problem.

Lmao, Rey equaled Kylo with NO TRAINING. Then there's Admiral tumblr hair, the frankly insane "capitalism is bad" shit from the casino planet, the veganism shilling, the marxism shilling, and the fact that every white male is either a villain or incompetent, or both. There is no story, the entire movie was 4-5 B plots and no main plot.

I already saw it, soyboy. I was one of the first people here, who commented on it.

ares834

DarthAnt66
Not to mention every article that journalist published on that site about the movie was negative. The dude's biased, rofl.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by Psychotron
You mean like Attack of the Clones and Transformers? Lmao.
Both of which were well received by the fans when it came out, yeah.

Psychotron
Ares, the reason TLJ is so front-loaded is because it doesn't have any legs. TFA had legs because it was inoffensive and reminded them of ANH. TLJ is getting terrible word of mouth. It won't be a flop but anything less than 1.5 billion is going to be underpeformance in Disney's eyes. I mean even capeshit and F&F movies make 1+ billion these days. They didn't spend so much money on Star Wars for average BO. Worse yet, Solo and IX will suffer because of VIII's reception. I promise you IX won't have nearly as big of an opening weekend.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Both of which were well received by the fans when it came out, yeah.

Are you trolling or are you too young to remember AotC and Transformers? Everyone shat on them.

ares834

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Psychotron


Are you trolling or are you too young to remember AotC and Transformers? Everyone shat on them.


Lol whose everyone?

An_Sock

Psychotron
It is front loaded. Its drop off is twice as big as TFA's.

ares834
That's because TFA's first week was Christmas holiday. TLJ's wasn't. Beyond that TFA had a ridiculous multiplier. One that TLJ never would match.

DarthAnt66
No clue why there's being any comparisons between TFA and TLJ as far as box office goes.

One was the most anticipated movie in history after a ten year dark age. The other is the third movie in three years of non-stop Star Wars.

Darth Thor

Psychotron
Originally posted by ares834
That's because TFA's first week was Christmas holiday. TLJ's wasn't. Beyond that TFA had a ridiculous multiplier. One that TLJ never would match.

Keep dreaming, fanboys. ****ing Jumanji is projected to beat TLJ on Christmas.

Darth Thor

ares834

Darth Thor
Yeah that's true.

Tbh really don't care if this doesn't financially do as well as TFA. I know which one I prefer.

Also can't expect this to have the same legs as R1, when R1 had a much smaller opening. But if it does then that'll be exceptional.

Psychotron
Consider this: Justice League had a better drop off than TLJ.

Darth Thor

Psychotron
Because it makes the wheels in your biased fanboy mind turn?

An_Sock
Justice League was much less anticipated than this film considering all of DC's recent flops : Suicide Squad, Batman vs Superman with Wonder Woman being only 'decent'. If it's drop off is better than Star Wars, then that tells you how the audience received it.

It seems the films reception is divided by people who can explain why it's objectively bad to people who want to desperately believe it's a masterpiece, but can't articulate the reasons why.

Darth Thor

quanchi112
Originally posted by Psychotron
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/

Good luck with that. Even if it beats R1 it will still underperform. Yeah, people loved TFA, unlike TLJ. That's kinda the problem.

Lmao, Rey equaled Kylo with NO TRAINING. Then there's Admiral tumblr hair, the frankly insane "capitalism is bad" shit from the casino planet, the veganism shilling, the marxism shilling, and the fact that every white male is either a villain or incompetent, or both. There is no story, the entire movie was 4-5 B plots and no main plot.

I already saw it, soyboy. I was one of the first people here, who commented on it. You are a butthurt moron. People loved the Last Jedi and it's clearly superior to Force Awakens. The movie is making buttloads of money. Star Wars is a force at the box office. This film shits all over the quality of Rogue One. It'll clearly make more money than Force Awakens.

Due to him being spiritually weakened. Her force power spiked due to the force equaling out the light to meet the darkness.

I've seen it multiple times and already pre purchased it on my PS4. This film is fantastic and gets better on rewatches.

Snoke's dialogue, voice, and force powers are amazing. The fight scenes with the Praetorian Guards is amazing. The ending wasn't predictable at all. Kylo has surpassed Vader in evil and status in two films.

quanchi112
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No clue why there's being any comparisons between TFA and TLJ as far as box office goes.

One was the most anticipated movie in history after a ten year dark age. The other is the third movie in three years of non-stop Star Wars. Psycho is a moron tbh. He once begged me to fly to England to fight him. I am not joking he's terribly unstable.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Since TLJ was utter garbage, what books/comics would you recommend about Luke and his new jedi order?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Since TLJ was utter garbage, what books/comics would you recommend about Luke and his new jedi order? I bet you'll see the next episode in the trilogy. You're a loser.

Rockydonovang

Zenwolf

Prof. T.C McAbe

Trocity
Kylo was so evil that a couple of no-name scrubs had to take the kill shot on his mommy cuz he couldn't do it.

Poor Kylo, what a momma's boy.

quanchi112
So it's easy to kill your own mother. Jason Voorhees is evil yet how does he feel for his mother ? How many family members did Vader kill ?

No one said Kylo is the most evil bastard in existence. He's just more evil than Vader.

samappo
Kylo is more evil than Vader? You're seriously a troll.

quanchi112
Originally posted by samappo
Kylo is more evil than Vader? You're seriously a troll. Without a doubt. Vader never killed one family member. Kylo killed his own father, tried killing his own uncle, and ordered the annihilation of the rest of the resistance which includes his mother. Vader turned on Sidious and went back to being a Jedi. Stfu. Facts matter not your emotions.

Bentley
Originally posted by quanchi112
Without a doubt. Vader never killed one family member. Kylo killed his own father, tried killing his own uncle, and ordered the annihilation of the rest of the resistance which includes his mother. Vader turned on Sidious and went back to being a Jedi. Stfu. Facts matter not your emotions.

Failed to kill his mamma while Vader managed to kill his wife. Both are pathetic on their own way, but Kylo is no youngling genocide.

Darth Thor

Darth Thor
Back to topic, Mark Hamill regrets his criticisms:


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mark-hamill-regrets-criticizing-last-jedi-version-luke-skywalker-1070418


laughing out loud

Beniboybling
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Back to topic, Mark Hamill regrets his criticisms:


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mark-hamill-regrets-criticizing-last-jedi-version-luke-skywalker-1070418


laughing out loud https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR7FNLXVAAA6nsT.jpg

Forbidden image. eek!

samappo
They could have done a Luke who was still positive but not cliche like in the OT.

Rockydonovang
rian johnson did well with what he was given by his predecessor.

TFA fcked shitup, but TLJ made things a bit better

The Lost
Who the **** cares? Are people so insecure they desperately need validation from someone else for their perspective on a film?

It's interesting to see Hamill's input but it ends there. Form your own goddamn opinions and stop trying to use Hamill's apparent partial displeasure of Luke's direction as "evidence" that TLJ is bad. All I've seen is cookie-cutter rehashed criticisms from reddit comments, FB posts, and God knows where else. Boring, boring, boring.

quanchi112
It's butthurt fans wanting this film to desperately fail because their feelings are hurt. Nothing more.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
rian johnson did well with what he was given by his predecessor.

TFA fcked shitup, but TLJ made things a bit better


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Stigma
Perceptive Mark:

pzxV9y1Ba7k

Trocity
Originally posted by The Lost
All I've seen is cookie-cutter rehashed criticisms from reddit comments, FB posts, and God knows where else. Boring, boring, boring.


Same goes for those defending the film, whaddya know LOL!

The Lost
Originally posted by Trocity
Same goes for those defending the film, whaddya know LOL!

Firstly, this does nothing to address the abysmal critiquing I've seen toward TLJ (close to a tu quoque here, basically) and honestly? I haven't seen many terrible arguments defending the film. Most of the people defending it are either correcting legitimate errors in criticisms (like that Luke was trying to kill Kylo) or explaining their perspective on why certain aspects of the film function greatly and serve to build a solid film with as much of a unique identity as it can have in an already established universe.

However, I have seen some awful defending, like I've seen awful criticisms. It's just I've seen one way more consistently than the other.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Bentley
Failed to kill his mamma while Vader managed to kill his wife. Both are pathetic on their own way, but Kylo is no youngling genocide. The point is the intent. Vader never intended to kill his wife. She died because she's an emotional weakling. Lost the will to live. Kylo is far more evil than the Jedi turning Darth Vader.

Luke turned him. How did Han fare when he tried to turn Ben ?

Rockydonovang
Still not sure why people consider The Force Awakens better. From what I saw, TLJ actually contributed something new to the lore, had vastly better villains, more potentially iconic moments, better dialogue, cooler lightsaber fights, better action sequences, and a performance/ character arc from Mark Hamil/Luke that TFA lacked.

What exactly did TFA exceed TLJ in?

Darth Thor

quanchi112
Originally posted by Psychotron
He's right on every point. This whole thing feels like big budget fan fiction.



And they failed. The audience hates the movie and it has a bigger BO dropoff than BvS and the toy sales are underperforming. All the good will they generated with TFA is gone now. The Han Solo movie looks like a train wreck too, so by the time IX rolls around people will be suffering from Star Wars fatigue. Turns out purposefully alienating your core fanbase for a group of people who don't watch Star Wars is not a good business strategy.


"Pulling off the three-peat is Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which brought in $52.4 million in its third weekend to raise its domestic total to $517.1 million. Initially (especially after the 69 percent second weekend drop), there was some concern Episode VIII would underwhelm (relatively speaking) commercially, but those concerns are hardly warranted. The Last Jedi has quickly become the highest-grossing film of 2017 in the United States and the latest member of the $1 billion club. This marks the third consecutive time a Star Wars movie has crossed that plateau globally, as the revived franchise has earned back the $4 billion Disney spent on Lucasfilm just in ticket sales alone. With The Last Jedi topping fellow Mouse House blockbuster Beauty and the Beast, it has now been three straight years the Star Wars series has won the #1 spot on the yearly box office chart."

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-box-office-jumanji/


I told you so, loser. Reality is truly great at times and your misery and emotional pain being the cherry on top of my Star Wars sundae.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Still not sure why people consider The Force Awakens better. From what I saw, TLJ actually contributed something new to the lore, had vastly better villains, more potentially iconic moments, better dialogue, cooler lightsaber fights, better action sequences, and a performance/ character arc from Mark Hamil/Luke that TFA lacked.

What exactly did TFA exceed TLJ in?

The villains were essentially the same though? Plus there wasn't really an actual lightsaber fight, I mean you can stretch it to Kylo vs Luke if you really want but it didn't really seem like one.

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