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ere is my list. Agree? Disagree? I'll also include short descriptions of feats from Desaad, a poster who used to post here. Here we go:

#20. Blue Beetle

Said to be smarter than Batman himself. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the feats to back it up. Still, he belongs on this list.

https://i.imgur.com/EdE94cp.jpg

#19. Dr. Sivana

Sivanna doesn't have very many appearances. I think writers generally think of him on the Big Science level, but from what he's actually done I'd put him at the very low end of that level or about on par with Lex Luthor. He's created dimensional travel, suspendium (frozen time particles), and weapons that have lifted entire cities and badly hurt kryptonian level foes.

https://i.imgur.com/7MCPqAA.jpg

#18. Batman

I know, I know. Batman should be placed in the top 10, but he doesn't have the insane science feats some of these heavy weights have on this list. He's good at pretty much everything, but not a true expert in many of the fields.

https://i.imgur.com/J6VvjOU.jpg

#17. Professor Ivo

Prof. Ivo created Amazo and Tomorrow Woman, two of the physical most potent androids in comics, especially Amazo. He created a serum that made him immortal, he's created countless powerful androids.

https://i.imgur.com/Wu7hnL1.png

#16. Anarky

Anarky is a tough one to gauge as he didn't have a huge number of appearances, but from what little saw -- the way he was able to calculate the coming of the great threat to reality and figure out a way to defeat it, creating a Boom Tube home-made, finding ways to alter the minds of everyone in Gotham...he's probably in "big science" level, albeit at the lower level.

https://i.imgur.com/2n4tgxV.jpg

#15. Rip Hunter

RIP is a specialist in time, and pretty much only makes time technology. He's good at what he does, but it's limited inherently, and doesn't deserve to be listed along with all the polymaths above.

https://i.imgur.com/9OO63ih.jpg

#14. Hiro Okamura

Said to be a better engineer than Tim Drake himself. Some of the robots/suits he has built in the past have been insane. Even Mongul in Metal wanted his expertise. He's probably the smartest genius his age.

https://i.imgur.com/1L6I0CF.png

#13. Lord Havok

DC's analog to Dr. Doom. Lord Havok has been pretty impressive (negating powers, just like Doom), but his lack of appearances put him low on the list.

https://i.imgur.com/DdkXcEQ.jpg

#12. Will Magnis

Will Magnus has created a device that creates portals between dimensions/universes, the responsometers of the Metal Men which basically means he created souls out of code, flying cars controled and powered by his thoughts, etc.

https://i.imgur.com/RUqZtyh.jpg

#11. Henry Bendix

Now apart of the DCU, Bendix has engineered a Kryptonian level being, with the battle computer of Midnighter. He seems sure of himself that he is even beyond Luther.

https://i.imgur.com/rXOlfus.jpg

#10. The Ultra-Humanite

DC's closest evil genius that is to Dr. Doom. Humanite can engineer super humans, manipulate time, and is a mastermind on the level of Lex.

https://i.imgur.com/KZA16OR.jpg

#9. Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor vacillates (Post-Crisis) between being a business man and being a genius. Many of his greatest 'works' have been attributed to his staff. Lately he's made a bit of a comeback as an evil genius, having combined time pool technology with kryptonian weaponry to change the sun to red and various things like that, but he's not a straight up scientist guy anymore, and I doubt he will be shown to be in the upcoming Action run with Paul Cornell. If you take Pre-Crisis into account you're talking about putting him up at the cosmic level as he's making time machines out of orange juice boxes and tin foil.

https://i.imgur.com/IvA7Vgf.jpg

#8. Tim Drake (Future)

Seems Tim can pretty much do anything. Build a weapon that can one-shot Doomsday, resist Hypertime's pull, create a suit that can manipulate Brother Eye, etc... Hell, current Tim Drake has surprised the likes of Mr. Oz AKA Jor-El himself. Something Lex could NOT do. Tim is fast paced to be high on my list.

https://i.imgur.com/NDJerfW.jpg

#7. T.O. Morrow

T.O. Morrow is probably the only normally earth guy who deserves a mention here. He apparently learned to 'unlock the hidden space between dimensions' when he was 14 (ie, dimensional creation), he's created time machines and vast super computers that alter reality via time manipulation. He also turns iPods into death rays and creates synthetic souls (Tomorrow Woman, Red Tornado).

https://i.imgur.com/BfVsOP6.jpg

#6. Mr. Terrific

Said to be a cosmic genius, DCnU Terrific has been similar to Reed Richards. And that holds true in his next series that comes out next year, The Terrifics.

I wouldn't have put Mr. Terrific on here but for the fact that lately Robinson has been giving him a bit of a push, as he was able to create a device that destroyed all the Black Lanterns in a tri state area -- the only tech feat I know of to have accomplished such a thing -- and he's currently working on a way to defeat the Starheart. He also figured out how to travel through time, and his T-spheres are crazy advanced.

https://i.imgur.com/sCDSnoB.jpg

#5. Ray Palmer

Ray Palmer cracked the Hourman virus when Superman 1 Million said that only a Solaris class stellar computer could do so, created a time machine, created boom tube like teleportation devices, co created a device that made the user's wish come true, figured out how to neutralize a universe destroying cosmic phenomenon that hadn't ever been discovered, has been described as having a mind like the world's largest harddrive, and created the greatest shrinking technology in comics (in terms of power, range and versatility).

https://i.imgur.com/l823wZz.jpg

#4. Niles Caulder AKA The Chief

The Chief has invented a time machine, replaced the JLA's abilities with tech approximations, brought Rita back from the dead with just a piece of her skull, created nanobots that could literally do anything, including create a being so powerful that he was throwing his victims through the fourth wall into 'our' reality. And it looks like he's going to discover away to alter his genes so that he becomes Kryptonian.

https://i.imgur.com/vTyypfT.jpg

#3. TAO

Now apart of the DCU, TAO's history seems to be intact. He can manipulate anyone with just his voice, and is even called the smartest being on Wildstorm earth.

https://i.imgur.com/wK4iFjh.jpg

#2. Ultrawoman AKA Lena Luthor

Said to have a 12th (I think 12) level intelligence, Lena is MUCH smarter than Lex (who has 10). Her intellect is beyond even Luthor himself.

https://i.imgur.com/GH7NpHJ.jpg

#1. Ozymandias

Everyone of these humans are apart of the DCU earth. Ozy, however, is not. That will change, as Watchmen is now apart of the DCU Multiverse. Ozy has outsmarted one of the most powerful beings in all of DCU, Dr. Manhattan (According to Mr. Mxyzptlk himself. That speaks volumes). He is a master martial artists, as well as understanding the art of mystics.

https://i.imgur.com/W8CCqib.jpg

No Lobo or Jor El?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No Lobo or Jor El?

I'm doing a top 10 list for Aliens. This is Earth only.

Nice list Zack. Good work.

Thanks.

I'll do space/Aliens soon.

As of Doomsday Clock #2...


https://i.imgur.com/GHkNOEG.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Vbzbnlb.jpg


Luthor = #1.
Bruce = #2.

Originally posted by Galan007
As of Doomsday Clock #2...


https://i.imgur.com/GHkNOEG.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/Vbzbnlb.jpg


Luthor = #1.
Bruce = #2.
I was a bit surprised by this.

Do you take this as hard fact/statement or more of an opinion from Ozm..?

It's a bait. Luthor will be the disposable good.

What does Luthor say next? Thanks

I knew Johns would wank Luthor again in Doomsday Clock. I guess he never read Superwoman Rebirth. Luthor is only a 6TH level intelligence.

https://i.imgur.com/CQQ2bjM.jpg

I forgot Alex Luthor Jr. He perhaps has the best feat on this list. He doesn't reside on the main earth, though.

The real #1. Alexander Luthor Jr.

Alexander Luthor really only just has the one feat, but it's kind of a doozy. He created a device to literally manipulate the multiverse, combining and separating universes at his whim. Insanity.

https://i.imgur.com/r5z9D9c.jpg

Alex Luthor and regular Luthor, supposedly DC's #1.

https://i.imgur.com/T4segt5.jpg

Ozy has another nice feat under his belt. Re-building Owl's' ship to travel to other universes.

Doomsday Clock: How The Watchmen Characters Arrive In The DC Universe

https://i.imgur.com/KfgeaoU.jpg

Future Tim just absorbed Jon's energy to access Hypertime.

Originally posted by Galan007
So yeah, it's confirmed that future Tim Drake absorbing Jon's Solar Flare gave him the power to access "everyWHERE...everyWHEN"(ie. Hypertime):
https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37172217_Super_Sons_012-001.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37172218_Super_Sons_012-002.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37172219_Super_Sons_012-003.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37172220_Super_Sons_012-005.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37172221_Super_Sons_012-004.jpg

*In the second scan you can see COIE, Zero Hour, Convergence, Final Crisis, Flashpoint, Metal, etc. etc.

This is just science/tech based. Constantine is one of the best prep masters in comics, though.

Originally posted by Zack M
I knew Johns would wank Luthor again in Doomsday Clock. I guess he never read Superwoman Rebirth. Luthor is only a 6TH level intelligence.
That's because nobody reads shit runs by shit writers like Phil Jimenez, so nobody cares what he thinks.

Lex is the smartest on Earth consistently:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111221388/4838625-1.jpg

What has he done that puts him over TO Morrow or Niles Caulder?

I can't believe I forgot Prometheus. He should definitely be in the top 10. He's a better engineer than Batman and his suits are extremely haxx (See the one he built for Afterthought).

https://i.imgur.com/bOK337w.jpg


Defense against someone like Ray Palmer
https://i.imgur.com/0p3iBSZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oD32uBF.jpg

Bullets to stop Kryptonians
https://i.imgur.com/yaZhsJ3.jpg

Stop Speedsters
https://i.imgur.com/AqBXiJM.jpg

Telepaths
https://i.imgur.com/RQ7jZLw.jpg

The Justice League and it's various members
https://i.imgur.com/bX9TIVO.jpg

Lord Havok somehow destroys/kill Dreamslayer (DC's version of Dormammu). Dreamslayer is laced with microscopic black holes and has near infinite space in his cells, according to Ray Palmer.

https://i.imgur.com/izIpLN0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gUR7Rxn.jpg

Enter Tom Strong. Now apart of the mainstream DC Universe. He might enter the top 20 list. Him discovering the Dark Multiverse before everyone is pretty impressive. Eat your heart out Batman.

https://i.imgur.com/z9RU5oy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4VBJcsX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XrixYsI.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
I can't believe I forgot Prometheus. He should definitely be in the top 10. He's a better engineer than Batman and his suits are extremely haxx (See the one he built for Afterthought).

https://i.imgur.com/bOK337w.jpg


Defense against someone like Ray Palmer
https://i.imgur.com/0p3iBSZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oD32uBF.jpg

Bullets to stop Kryptonians
https://i.imgur.com/yaZhsJ3.jpg

Stop Speedsters
https://i.imgur.com/AqBXiJM.jpg

Telepaths
https://i.imgur.com/RQ7jZLw.jpg

The Justice League and it's various members
https://i.imgur.com/bX9TIVO.jpg

Is that Cry For Justice? I REALLY wouldn't use that if I were you.

Why is that?

Chronos, Ray Palmer's nemesis, should be somewhere on the list, too. His time tech is insane.

https://i.imgur.com/ODbEDwG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g0aOQXv.jpg

Alex jr smarter than lex?

Come on.

Yup. Much smarter. He even pointed that out in IC.

Originally posted by Zack M
Chronos, Ray Palmer's nemesis, should be somewhere on the list, too. His time tech is insane.

https://i.imgur.com/ODbEDwG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g0aOQXv.jpg

That's recent right? and what other feats he has? seems interesting.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
That's recent right? and what other feats he has? seems interesting.

This weeks Justice League.

Originally posted by Zack M
This weeks Justice League.

he was able to slow down the ray at lightspeed! 0_0 i wonder if he could beat barry

So, yeah, Vandal Savage found a way to weaponize Hypertime. Incredible.

https://i.imgur.com/FPJuVCV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mHACQSC.jpg

issue?

Originally posted by Mendax


issue?

Action Comics 1000, I think.

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How is future tim above Lex, and the Question?

Because he's the flavour of the month.

Nah, because of actual feats. Even Batman said CURRENT Tim is smarter than him (Which is why he hired him in the first place). Future Tim has tech and feats far beyond Batman and even Lex.

Right, he's the flavour of the month. There's always something bigger and badder. Next event, there'll be someone that'll make that Tim look like a chump.

I mean, the guy has spent a lot of time as a bit of an author avatar, a "anything Batman can do, I can do better", and this was just the natural escalation of that combined with him being the fun thing to do this event.

Probably not for a while. Tim has been doing this for a while, now. The guy never ceases to amaze me.

https://i.imgur.com/hYvxlBu.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
Nah, because of actual feats. Even Batman said CURRENT Tim is smarter than him (Which is why he hired him in the first place). Future Tim has tech and feats far beyond Batman and even Lex.

Like what? (haven't read enough on current Tim yet)

Originally posted by Zack M
Probably not for a while. Tim has been doing this for a while, now. The guy never ceases to amaze me.

https://i.imgur.com/hYvxlBu.jpg

Just kinda proves my point.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Like what? (haven't read enough on current Tim yet)

From the top of my head:

Current Tim has
Escaped Mr. Oz's prison, temporarily.

https://i.imgur.com/mqIuJkS.jpg

Built Batman's version of the Danger Room. With high tech gadgets and transportation. Basically their headquarters.

https://i.imgur.com/DlvSR5M.jpg

Escaped Mr. Oz again, even surprising him, on the fly.

https://i.imgur.com/Nh9kKYc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DWEOly5.jpg

Future Tim has:

Understood Ray Palmer's equation, even bettering it.

https://i.imgur.com/hYvxlBu.jpg

One-Shots Doomsday with a device he built.

https://i.imgur.com/4vmnJYu.jpg

Can control Brother Eye through his suit

https://i.imgur.com/sL1k4tq.jpg

He's even trained to fight and defeat the Bat-Family, as he basically fought all of them at once.

https://i.imgur.com/hczzHoa.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
From the top of my head:

Current Tim has
Escaped Mr. Oz's prison, temporarily.

https://i.imgur.com/mqIuJkS.jpg

Built Batman's version of the Danger Room. With high tech gadgets and transportation. Basically their headquarters.

https://i.imgur.com/DlvSR5M.jpg

Escaped Mr. Oz again, even surprising him, on the fly.

https://i.imgur.com/Nh9kKYc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DWEOly5.jpg

Future Tim has:

Understood Ray Palmer's equation, even bettering it.

https://i.imgur.com/hYvxlBu.jpg

One-Shots Doomsday with a device he built.

https://i.imgur.com/4vmnJYu.jpg

Can control Brother Eye through his suit

https://i.imgur.com/sL1k4tq.jpg

He's even trained to fight and defeat the Bat-Family, as he basically fought all of them at once.

https://i.imgur.com/hczzHoa.jpg

understanding Ray's equation is something Lex or Bruce can't do? cmon you're underestimating both of them here. They both have too many impressive prep feats

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
understanding Ray's equation is something Lex or Bruce can't do? cmon you're underestimating both of them here. They both have too many impressive prep feats

Not Bruce. Maybe Lex. I remember Bruce called in Palmer because he needed his expertise. Tim basically bettered it. Bruce has already admitted that Tim is smarter, and one of the most analytic minds he's ever worked for.

Chronos's gear continues to impress. Time scissors are able to cut away time.

https://i.imgur.com/ZeVTbni.jpg

Superman's intelligence varies wildly by portrayal, but he often ends up on this list--sometimes ranked highly. At other times, Steel has to explain basic physics to him.

Tim/Ulysses and Beflrey 2.0

https://i.imgur.com/ALyRRDh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2e28mgs.jpg

Does Blue Falcon deserve to be on this list somewhere? Hmmm...

Already a genius when he was just a mere boy.

https://i.imgur.com/ILMiLZ4.jpg

Created Dynomutt

https://i.imgur.com/64LJ494.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/itkuNel.jpg

He was also apart of Batman Inc.

https://i.imgur.com/z5nbiIf.jpg

Can create guns laced with Kryptonite.

https://i.imgur.com/7lAfBXP.jpg


Created the Vulture.
https://i.imgur.com/DdE7QN6.jpg

Luthor is back in the top 3, at least. Phucken impressive. Reconstructing impossible tech from the future (millions of years ago), tinkering with a Mother Box, traveling through Hypertime? Yeah, Pre-Crisis levels.

https://i.imgur.com/QcKnNg5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lxxIzpi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vkTQ6eq.jpg

Snyder's Luthor>>>John's Luthor.

Mister Terrific can casually traverse universes, as he enters Tom Strong's universe.

https://i.imgur.com/VfmnQv1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lyZgFa5.jpg

Terrific is known as the worlds third smartest person.

That book was so bad.

Also, saying he's a 6th level intelligence doesn't mean a whole lot. Even Brainiacs have often referred to Lex as a lesser intelligence in the past as well, until the moment Lex plays his hand and outsmarts him. Which has happened several times.

Ray Palmer is crazy.

https://i.imgur.com/q6YWKyY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/61P0ZTg.jpg

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Nah, because of actual feats. Even Batman said CURRENT Tim is smarter than him (Which is why he hired him in the first place). Future Tim has tech and feats far beyond Batman and even Lex.
1. That statement applies to tech period.

2. Tim is a specialist Batman isn't. It's like comparing a Sprinter to someone who's a Decathlon. Of course the Sprinter will beat the Decathlon time in the 100 meter sprint nut that soesn't mean the Sprinter is a better athlete it just means in his field he's better. Int he same manner Tony is the best at Robotics but that doesn't mean Mr Fantastic isn't overall smarter. Tim has said all the other Robins are better than him in HTH & like Batman that are generalist, it implies Tim is more slective in his field.

3. What you're stating is opinion not facts. Batman has reverse engineered Kryptonian and NG tech which are beyond anything Tim has come up with. LL has thought off concepts that Tim can't even image. Finally someone from the future is almost always going to have tech superior to modern day that not saying much. Personal Computers, IPhones and Laptop were SF to someone from the 80's. Color TV were SF for someone from the 40,50 & early 60. Microwave Ovens were SF for someone from the 70's. These are just a couple examples on top of my head if I did some research a could probably come up with at least a few dozen more examples.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
https://i.imgur.com/KfgeaoU.jpg

The story of this entire thread

I like the concept here though:

"Here's Mr Terrific Traversing UNIVERSES!"

*The image you are requesting does not exist*

Originally posted by shadowknight
1. That statement applies to tech period.

2. Tim is a specialist Batman isn't. It's like comparing a Sprinter to someone who's a Decathlon. Of course the Sprinter will beat the Decathlon time in the 100 meter sprint nut that soesn't mean the Sprinter is a better athlete it just means in his field he's better. Int he same manner Tony is the best at Robotics but that doesn't mean Mr Fantastic isn't overall smarter. Tim has said all the other Robins are better than him in HTH & like Batman that are generalist, it implies Tim is more slective in his field.

3. What you're stating is opinion not facts. Batman has reverse engineered Kryptonian and NG tech which are beyond anything Tim has come up with. LL has thought off concepts that Tim can't even image. Finally someone from the future is almost always going to have tech superior to modern day that not saying much. Personal Computers, IPhones and Laptop were SF to someone from the 80's. Color TV were SF for someone from the 40,50 & early 60. Microwave Ovens were SF for someone from the 70's. These are just a couple examples on top of my head if I did some research a could probably come up with at least a few dozen more examples.

Yet, Batman said Tim is smarter, so it's not opinion, it's fact. The fact that Tim (current) suprised the likes of Mr. Oz is beyond anything Batman has done, IMO.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Yet, Batman said Tim is smarter, so it's not opinion, it's fact. The fact that Tim (current) suprised the likes of Mr. Oz is beyond anything Batman has done, IMO.

An adopted father bigging up his son.

Mr Oz is impressive.. how?

Originally posted by panthergod
An adopted father bigging up his son.

Mr Oz is impressive.. how?

His tech is pretty haxx. Entrapping Mxy (temporarily), easily holding Doomsday, etc...

Im not familiar with Oz current feats...what has he done

Mr. T can traverse the Multiverse with his T-Spheres. Able to potentially destroy the universe.

https://i.imgur.com/h9QZOho.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nl0a9Ec.jpg

Smartest is Superman.

This list is human only.

Earth only, nothing said about human. Havok is an android, and from a different universe, Superman has more claim to an Earthling in that universe.

This is Rebirth Havok, who isn't an android. I made a separate list for aliens. This is humans only.

Tynion is really hyping up Man Bat, just like he hyped up Tim Drake. Man Bat is knowledgeable in both science and now magic. Bringing back the newest Fate, Khalid. Even Khalid was impressed, saying that he would have a difficult time pulling that off with the full helm of Fate.

https://i.imgur.com/IkLWr4Z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/anxOxTo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/evBjZxp.jpg

Snyder pretty much made Luthor #1.

Paradox (new Flash villain) deserves a mention. Inventing multiversal technology.

Originally posted by Galan007
Flash (1/2):
https://i.ibb.co/b16sktb/The-Flash-088-005.jpg https://i.ibb.co/y01rP8H/The-Flash-088-006.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WpZ7vcj/The-Flash-088-008.jpg https://i.ibb.co/9gfV8bC/The-Flash-088-009.jpg https://i.ibb.co/NYXYf9w/The-Flash-088-010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/FmgPzrq/The-Flash-088-011.jpg https://i.ibb.co/0qz5tjX/The-Flash-088-012.jpg