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WHO IS THE #3 MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER?

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RANKINGS:

1.) Luke Skywalker
2.) Palpatine

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REMINDER: All characters are strictly in their Legends incarnation and are at peak combative (not potential) capabilities under normal conditions (no external amplifies or other temporary boosts are to be considered). All characters are at peak mental mindset while maintaining an accurate portrayal of their mindset and beliefs (morals on). Lightsaber skill and related abilities (such as physical strength, speed, etc.) is to be considered if relevant.

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ADDITIONAL NOTICE #1: "Morals on" means that characters are fighting as they would be portrayed within the Star Wars universe given the conditions listed above. The intent is to not weaken the characters of any power, but rather for light-side characters to stay light-side characters. Thus, Luke Skywalker is not going to embrace the dark-side and use Force lightning or Force drain. Instead, Luke will bring all his powers to bear given the constraints of his ideology.

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ADDITIONAL NOTICE #2: UnuThul will be considered with the amplified abilities he receives from the Killiks. Yoda is as demonstrated in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader (pre-suit) is including all events from Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, including events on the Invisible Hand or Operation: Knightfall - if the member is of the opinion that the conditions during such fit the standards outlined above.

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VOTE!

Not sure between Yoda, peak! Vader, and UnuThul.

I voted KF Anakin.

Plagueis and Nihilus are close follow ups imo.

Can Valkorion overpower Anakin's mind, or will Vader slay him? mmm

The cliff notes for considering UnuThul:

Mentally dominated scores of Jedi at the same time, including Jaina
Is implied to be able to TP any Jedi except for Jacen (or Luke)
Almost mentally dominated Luke
Is described by Han and implied by Jaina to be more powerful than Luke
Initially throws Luke around before admittedly getting beaten pretty badly
Bends turbolaser bolts, which have been described by some sources as lightspeed weapons (with sublight tracers) - potentially the best environmental TK feat in the mythos
Draws on the Force potential of trillions of killiks

Valkorion, absolutely.

Count me for Yoda

Valkorion

Valkorion

**** it, I'm voting for Vader.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Valkorion

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiIzuqnBznAiMPvws/giphy.gif

Hmm. KF!Anakin or Yoda...

Nah, he's either one or he's not at all in my opinion. Him scaling off of being > ROTS Yoda/Sidious should put him at least 2.

But fine, KF!Vader.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Hmm. KF!Anakin or Yoda...
I'm curious about your thoughts on Unu.

Vader or Yoda, I'll vote later.

can we add one vote for DCs Kyp?

Anyway, it seems like Anakin is winning (Ant, AP, sam, me)

I thought the Valk support would be stronger :mmm:

Having a tough time deciding between KF Vader, Yoda, and Valk...

Knightfall Vader.

Valkorion.

I'm voting for UnuThul.

lul throwing your vote away like that

Post-suit Vader. If he isn't winning, replace my vote with pre-suit/KF Vader at the last second

Yoda.

What's wrong with your face, Nova?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion, absolutely.



Pretty clear choice here.

Yoda undoubtedly imo.

Pre-Suit (5):
DarthAnt66
samappo
AncientPower
Ursumeles
Geistalt

Valkorion (4):
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nephthys
Pessimystic
Trocity

Yoda (3):
JKBart
SunRazer
Lord Stark

UnuThul (1):
The Ellimist

Post-Suit (1):
Azronger

Undecided (3):
The_Tempest
cs_zoltan
Rebel95

Votes thus far.

The undecided votes are going to be essential in deciding whether its Anakin vs Valk or Anakin vs Yoda in the run-off.

Is someone socking again? The votes for Valk have raised in this thread as well as the Vitidiocy vs Sheevism one out of nowhere.

Anyway, I feel like the Yoda/Vader divide is splitting the PT group apart. If we pooled our votes together we vould beat Valk.

^ It's Sunni vs Shia, Iran vs Saudi Arabia.

The PT Brigade are split and it's interesting.

Palpatine should have won. I demand recount!

Out of remaining ones, however, I vote Knightfall Vader.

Originally posted by Azronger
Anyway, I feel like the Yoda/Vader divide is splitting the PT group apart. If we pooled our votes together we vould beat Valk.
Well, we're having a run-off.

I'll change my vote Yoda. No way is post-suit winning this. It'd just be a waste of a vote.

Also, does the poll matterat all? Must the name be posted for it to count?

Valkorion, I guess

Originally posted by Sinious
Valkorion, I guess

Originally posted by Azronger
I'll change my vote Yoda.
welcome in the team

Originally posted by Azronger
Also, does the poll matterat all? Must the name be posted for it to count?
Only write-in votes are counted.

Ah good

KF Vader.

BTW cool idea Ant. How many are we gonna do?

I feel like this would be a wonderful time for me to pitch in. Vader.

Ridiculous, tbh.

Now we need the rest to vote for Yoda and all will be well

Well shit. If suited Vader is getting a vote, we might as well add in Kenobi and Maul.

****ing stupid

He isn't getting a vote. I changed mine to Yoda

Originally posted by Rebel95
BTW cool idea Ant. How many are we gonna do?
Thanks. We're going to #25.

Anakin (7):
DarthAnt66
samappo
AncientPower
Ursumeles
Geistalt
Rebel95
NewGuy01

Valkorion (5):
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nephthys
Pessimystic
Trocity
Sinious

Yoda (4):
JKBart
SunRazer
Lord Stark
Azronger

UnuThul (1):
The Ellimist

Undecided (2):
The_Tempest
cs_zoltan

19 votes so far.

Will keep poll open for a day or two.

Ant, if Valk vs. Yoda is within one by the time you close this switch me to Yoda please. This is why a multiple choice one-vote system is problematic lol.

Nobody'll vote for UnuThul; just change it to Yoda.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ant, if Valk vs. Yoda is within one by the time you close this switch me to Yoda please. This is why a multiple choice one-vote system is problematic lol.

You spelled "Vader" wrong. no

I think he's assuming Vader will definitely make it to the run-off and is more interested in who will oppose him - Valk or Yoda.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
This is why a multiple choice one-vote system is problematic lol.
Explaining how it works:

The two characters with the highest votes will be polled again. The winner gets crowned #3.

A new thread will be created for #4. The top two of that thread will go into the run-offs to decide #4.

The system I have in place is designed to make vote-splitting irrelevant.

Valkorion

Why does Anakin have more votes than he does in the poll?

Some people shifted over.

Huh, strange how Valkorion was almost first but now everyone's magically changing their mind.

I have both Yoda and Vader > Valkorion so just write me in to whoever has the less vote in the end.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I have both Yoda and Vader > Valkorion so just write me in to whoever has the less vote in the end.

Meant to vote KF Vader, clicked UnuThul.

Theres only one vote for Unuthul, and its Ellimist's.

Tbh, all who think both Yoda and Vader are > Valk should just go with Zoltan's answer.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I have both Yoda and Vader > Valkorion so just write me in to whoever has the less vote in the end.

Also, who voted for Plagueis?

No chance Valk doesn't take 4.

Glad you talk for all 20 of us AP.

Hey Ant, you should add Mace to these polls.

He will (I guess), but no reason to list Mace before Yoda is even placed.

Well, he listed Plagueis...

who inexplicably got voted for

That's not the same, Mace is canonically inferior to Yoda, Plagueis isn't.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
That's not the same, Mace is canonically inferior to Yoda, Plagueis isn't.
Plagueis being inferior to TPM Sids kinda tanks the notion he's a match for someone close enough to ROTS Sidious that he held him to a virtual stalemate.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well, he listed Plagueis...

who inexplicably got voted for The poll doesn't matters.

You really gonna make a f-ucking issue out of this?

Are you talking to me or Kbro?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
The poll doesn't matters.
Then why do the poll format in the first place.

Wasn't really making an issue...

He was obviously talking to you. Stop making a f-ucking issue man.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Then why do the poll format in the first place..
Ant wanted it, but then the socks atracked.

voting for zoltan's option would make the process quicker.

you do you uhuh

Did Anakin know the resist drain technique? If not, could Nihilus simply one shot drain him?

Originally posted by samappo
Did Anakin know the resist drain technique? If not, could Nihilus simply one shot drain him?
Anakin did actually learn that power.

Oh I voted Valk

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Then why do the poll format in the first place.
The point of the poll is just to give members an impression of the suggested options and remind them to vote in the comments.

Valky should have been number #2 honestly, but he gets my vote nonetheless!

Fugg

Anakin (9):
DarthAnt66
samappo
Ancient Power
Ursumeles
Geistalt
Rebel95
NewGuy01
LordOfTheLight
Beniboybling

Valkorion (8):
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nephthys
Pessimystic
Trocity
Sinious
Total Warrior
Emperordmb
Dark-Kenshin

Yoda (5):
JKBart
SunRazer
Lord Stark
Azronger
cs_zoltan

UnuThul (1)
The Ellimist

Undecided (1):
The Tempest

Unless Elm, Temp, and another user vote for Yoda, it looks like Valk and Anakin will go into the run-off.

Give Valk an extra vote from LeG.

While Legend would obviously vote for Valkorion, I don't want to write-in votes for any users, because then we can play the card that Jman would vote for C, Selenial for A, etc.

It only takes a few seconds to vote, so whoever wants to put in input has to give me those few seconds.

That being said, you can obviously PM Legend telling him to vote - or just get Harrison to do it.

I guess in terms of RAW power, Anakin is better or has the potential to be better or whatever (but that if that's the standard here, he should be tied with Luke for #1). All that Knightfall/Zonakin/Insert-Adjective stuff flies over my head to be honest. But Valk's mastery over the force definitely makes him more powerful in my eyes.

Don't forget you also have to factor in lightsaber mastery, of which Valky has f-uck all.

Hmm well I think Yoda is def above KF!Vader...maybe I should change my vote to Valkorion for a decisive victory.

Maybe you shouldn't.

He should.

You should.

stfu dirty peasant tor wanker

Hardly wanking to put Valk above Yoda.

You put that retard over Sidious you putrid c-unt.

Not quite.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hardly wanking to put Valk above Yoda.

Yoda is both a far more competent combatant and scales above EoTPM Sidious who scales massively above TPM Sidious who is both canonically above sith-Vitiate, and scales above Plagueis who scales above pre-self-midichlorian-boosting Plagueis who presents a sufficient threat to the Force that Anakin Skywalker was created to stop them, and that Plagueis scales thirty successive power boosts over Darth Bane. Who as a trainee scales above sith-Vitiate.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Not quite.

Not only a tor wanker but a lying f-uck as well

https://i.imgur.com/3XgHiGS.png

So Pre-Novel Vitiate?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Not only a tor wanker but a lying f-uck as well

https://i.imgur.com/3XgHiGS.png

I have them roughly on par. Politics necessitate that I favor Valkorion in such a scenario.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So Pre-Novel Vitiate?

kek

Also: Sidious does a lot of his absurd uber-feats during the dark times so you'd have to just assume he grows like ridiculously stronger between RotS and TFU/before because by then Sidious vs. Valkorion isn't even a contest really (you can line up feats categories and Sidious wins in everything, only rituals are really close).

Clearly, we need to have a proper debate over KF!Anakin vs. Yoda. PT folks should be more united in this matter.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Clearly, we need to have a proper debate over KF!Anakin vs. Yoda. PT folks should be more united in this matter.

Ant and I were considering doing that yeah.

My stance is that Vader would win a duel but Yoda may win an all-out confrontation depending on the context.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Politics necessitate that I favor Valkorion in such a scenario.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
putrid c-unt.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
dirty peasant tor wanker

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ant and I were considering doing that yeah.

My stance is that Vader would win a duel but Yoda may win an all-out confrontation depending on the context.

Fam, switch your vote to Yoda and I'll happily discuss UnuThul.

Switching my vote back to Valkorion. :-)

I'm actually gonna switch my vote to Valkorion.

Valkorion (10):
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nephthys
Pessimystic
Trocity
Sinious
Total Warrior
Emperordmb
Dark-Kenshin
Ancient Power
Rebel95

Anakin (7):
DarthAnt66
samappo
Ursumeles
Geistalt
NewGuy01
LordOfTheLight
Beniboybling

Yoda (5):
JKBart
SunRazer
Lord Stark
Azronger
cs_zoltan

UnuThul (1)
The Ellimist

Undecided (1):
The Tempest

And that's a wrap. Close it and move on to the next round!

Since a lot of members are changing their votes last-minute, I'll keep it up until approx. 3pm ET tomorrow.

Yoda

Valkorion.

Why is everyone switching all of a sudden?

Because Valkorion is supreme.

Right ...

You know it.

IZAX is coming, people. Get ready.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/d21b62163f529550b35749605118fc8b/tumblr_ocopz4Yv0a1qeiz88o2_400.gif

"When Izax spoke, every living thing in the Outer Rim died. The destruction of worlds echoed through the Force, the screams of countless lives."

"..Honor the omnipotence of Izax, the Ultimate Devourer: father, ruler and bringer of death to us all. His forms are infinite, but his great glory flies on serpent wings...."

Originally posted by The Ellimist
kek

Also: Sidious does a lot of his absurd uber-feats during the dark times so you'd have to just assume he grows like ridiculously stronger between RotS and TFU/before because by then Sidious vs. Valkorion isn't even a contest really (you can line up feats categories and Sidious wins in everything, only rituals are really close).
Even as far as a few months past ROTS, Sidious has already done or scales from anything Valk has as well as tons of stuff Valk doesn't have.

There's no need to speculate about his TFU abilities.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
"..Honor the omnipotence of Izax, the Ultimate Devourer: father, ruler and bringer of death to us all. His forms are infinite, but his great glory flies on serpent wings...."
And then he walked into a lightsaber.

That's not Vitiate you imbecile.

Originally posted by AncientPower
That's not Vitiate you imbecile.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
kek

Also: Sidious does a lot of his absurd uber-feats during the dark times so you'd have to just assume he grows like ridiculously stronger between RotS and TFU/before because by then Sidious vs. Valkorion isn't even a contest really (you can line up feats categories and Sidious wins in everything, only rituals are really close).



That's not even an argument, just another baseless claim. Valkorion > Sheev isn't even a question anymore, it's just a matter of time.

Originally posted by AncientPower


That's not even an argument, just another baseless claim. Valkorion > Sheev isn't even a question anymore, it's just a matter of time.

I mean I wasn't trying to give a rigorous essay but if you really want to break it down by feats, in which relevant categories is Valkorion more impressive than either RotJ or DE Sidious?

Valkorion

Yoda.

Yoda

Valkorion.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I mean I wasn't trying to give a rigorous essay but if you really want to break it down by feats, in which relevant categories is Valkorion more impressive than either RotJ or DE Sidious?

- Freezing time.
- Multiple galaxy scale feats.
- Simultaneously dominating Sel-Makor, Vaylin, Revan, the Dread
Masters, the Hero of Tython, Tehrak Morrhage, Tol Braga, Warren Sedoru and more. Whilst empowering the imperial Guard, his Children and the First Son. After being weakened by death and expending massive amounts of energy fueling the galaxy draining Dark Ritual.
- Simultaneously stomping Arcann, Vaylin and the Outlander who
was supported by Satele Shan and the spirits of Revan and Darth
Marr via the Uber Holocron.
- Scaling off of Soa and the Zakuul Pantheon.

As for the list, it's Valk.

Besides the list, its definitely the Bedlam Spirits.

Bump. Can we go on so with this list?

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Bump. Can we go on so with this list?

Failkorion is already sub-Plagueis and sub-Windu. What more needs to be said here?

Yeah, Valk has been bumped down significantly since Ant made these polls.

Originally posted by Azronger
Failkorion is already sub-Plagueis and sub-Windu. What more needs to be said here? I thought we would have made at least a top 20 force users list

Originally posted by Total Warrior
I thought we would have made at least a top 20 force users list

But we did

Originally posted by Azronger
But we did I knew you would have brought that list up

Originally posted by Azronger
But we did Mace Windu would not come close to beating valk