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"These catacombs under the city extend for miles. Many people have wandered down here and been lost forever.They say the tomb of the Dark Jedi, Freedon Nadd, is hidden down here, but that's just a myth."
―Princess Galia

team 1 wins imo

I don't know what to say. Nadd never struck me as a Sith Lord. Imo, Freedon Nadd is a Dark Jedi, Jedi that have fallen to the dark side and are independent but with relatively small ambitions (I.E. conquering Onderon and Dxun)

Every time Nadd is mentioned in KotOR, he's referred to as a Dark Jedi and rightfully so, because he doesn't have the goals of a Sith Lord (his goals were much smaller) and he had no connection to them (except Sadow's informal training). He's a Dark Jedi.

People call Sith as Dark Jedi all the time. You don't even need to be a Jedi first to be a Dark Jedi.

What you want to say is that the Dark Jedi moniker is applied to two categories:
Rogue Jedi
Independent dark side practitioner

A Sith cannot be identified with a Dark Jedi because they already belong to an order.

If Nadd is indeed a Dark Jedi then he is exempt from accolades and official quotes establishing the strenght of Sith Lords.

He may very well be above the likes of Vitiate or Scourge.

Feats of nadd?

His lightsaber mastery seemingly eclipses Vitiate's.

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Lmfao Palpatine is referred to as a Dark Jedi.

Originally posted by Stigma
His lightsaber mastery seemingly eclipses Vitiate's.

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Whose doesn't?

Originally posted by hutchy1345
Feats of nadd?

Also, his tomb on Onderon was a focal point of dark side energy. His dark side well of power was used from generation to generation, and it didn't begin to heb.
The tomb also suffused Iziz, then the planet, and eventually the entirety of the Onderon system with the power of Sith magic using Nadd's dark side nexus.
Even after the sarcophagus(with its residual dark side energies) was moved on Dxun, Visas noted that Nadd must have been really strong in life.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lmfao Palpatine is referred to as a Dark Jedi.

Where and when?
Dark Empire issues?

Probably any ROTJ and DE publication pre-1999.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
What you want to say is that the Dark Jedi moniker is applied to two categories:
Rogue Jedi
Independent dark side practitioner

A Sith cannot be identified with a Dark Jedi because they already belong to an order.
Except Sith are constantly referred to as Dark Jedi.

If you are a Jedi and turn dark and / or Sith then you are a Dark Jedi.

If you are a dark-side Force user then you are a Dark Jedi.

It's the most vague term to exist in Star Wars.

Yes. If you are a dark side user that has no relation with an order is called a Dark Jedi. And by the Dark Empire, I strongly believe that Palpatine didn't deem himself a Sith anymore. He was still willing to make use of general dark side Force knowledge, but his Dark Empire reign had him as the top dog with lesser adepts and apprentices to use them in his matters.

"We avoid when we can. Dark Jedi definition still refers to any dark side user."
--Leland Chee

"A dark Jedi is anyone who practices the dark side of the Force whether or not they were a former Jedi."
--Leland Chee



Almost all the Sith in Revan's Sith Empire were named Dark Jedi, too.

Even the Son would be considered a Dark Jedi.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

It's the most vague term to exist in Star Wars.

Lol.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"We avoid when we can. Dark Jedi definition still refers to any dark side user."
--Leland Chee

"A dark Jedi is anyone who practices the dark side of the Force whether or not they were a former Jedi."
--Leland Chee



Almost all the Sith in Revan's Sith Empire were named Dark Jedi, too.

Even the Son would be considered a Dark Jedi.

Yes, but Lee clearly emphasises on the Jedi status. He says that a Dark Jedi is anyone who was expelled from the other and those darksiders that do not belong to the Jedi Order. Nothing contradicts what I have said.
Yes, the Son is a Dark Jedi because he doesn't belong to the Jedi Order and doesn't belong to an established order either. He is just a Darksider.

The ones in Revan's empire were named Dark Jedi because they were allied to his empire but followed their own agendas. They weren't 100% loyal to the empire.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Yes, but Lee clearly emphasises on the Jedi status. He says that a Dark Jedi is anyone who was expelled from the other and those darksiders that do not belong to the Jedi Order. Nothing contradicts what I have said.

Again:

"We avoid when we can. Dark Jedi definition still refers to ANY dark side user."
--Leland Chee

"A dark Jedi is ANYONE who practices the dark side of the Force WHETHER OR NOT they were a former Jedi."
--Leland Chee

Freedon Nadd is a Dark Jedi, as is any dark sider. You can be a Dark Jedi and a Dark Lord of the Sith at once. In fact, to be a Lord of the Sith, you must be a Dark Jedi. So the question posed in the OP is moot.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
The ones in Revan's empire were named Dark Jedi because they were allied to his empire but followed their own agendas. They weren't 100% loyal to the empire.
That's just not true though. The Dark Jedi were fanatically loyal to Malak and operated fully under his orders. Malak ordered waves of them to throw themselves in front of Revan to slow his advance on the Star Forge and they all obliged. In the DS version, the best three of them directly competed to kill Revan first so they could be Malak's apprentice and thus second in command of the Empire.

What Chee says directly contradicts your stance since, as per his standards, every user of the dark side is a Dark Jedi regardless of organization.

No, it is not. Dark Jedi refers to either fallen Jedi or darksiders that do not belong to any established Force order and are independent. Lee doesn't take into account the Sith Order when he made that statement. Because the Sith are already an established Force order.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's just not true though. The Dark Jedi were fanatically loyal to Malak and operated fully under his orders. Malak ordered waves of them to throw themselves in front of Revan to slow his advance on the Star Forge and they all obliged. In the DS version, the best three of them directly competed to kill Revan first so they could be Malak's apprentice and thus second in command of the Empire.

What Chee says directly contradicts your stance since, as per his standards, every user of the dark side is a Dark Jedi regardless of organization.

One of those Dark Jedi also stated that he is gonna do to Malak the same thing Malak did to Revan in KotOR.
And since Malak said to three Dark Jedi that who is gonna eliminate Revan, shall be his apprentice. It won't surprise me that the other Dark Jedi would oblige Malak's command.

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Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
No, it is not. Dark Jedi refers to either fallen Jedi or darksiders that do not belong to any established Force order and are independent. Lee doesn't take into account the Sith Order when he made that statement. Because the Sith are already an established Force order.
No, it doesn't. Chee is explicitly taking the Sith Order into account when he states "any" dark-side Force-user with no mention that he is excluding the Sith from such.

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Your example with the Dark Jedi on KotOR further demonstrates the point. The Dark Jedi willing to overthrow Malak shows indoctrination into the Sith ideology and that they plan to be Dark Lord of the Sith (i.e. leader of the Sith Empire).

Dark Jedi can become Sith Lords if they want to? Kind of.

Also, IIRC, weren't those Dark Jedi you mentioned, actually, fallen Jedi? Vandar says something about that.



C'mon, bro. It is plainly obvious that Lee does not take in account the Sith because he starts with: Any dark side practitioner is a dark Jedi. Then he says they don't bring this up often to not confuse people.

Why? Because 'any'= 'anyone'-and it is a term used to denote 'generality'. Not only that, but 'any' is used to show or point out something or someone who is of no importance.

What Lee says is that any (insignificant)darksider can be called a Dark Jedi. Why? Well, because they do not belong to a Force order. They do not represent anything. They stand for themselves alone and are driven by smaller ambitions than a Sith Lord.

Why do you make threads when you just ignore the responses?

It's been established that he is retarded.

KMC troll, perhaps?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Why do you make threads when you just ignore the responses?

Because they are wrong?

I've never seen a source to state that Palpatine was a dark Jedi or that Vitiate was a dark Jedi?

One more thing: When did Lee make that statement(year)? Did it have anything to do with TCW show?

If Nadd's referred to as a Sith anywhere, the limitations apply to him.

It's not as difficult as you think to settle this argument.

It's okay, though. He's killed more Jedi than Tulak Hord has with his lightsaber (or anyone had via lightsaber by KotOR II), and he's far more powerful than Sadow.



Kun > Nadd > Sadow / Hord / Ragnos (the lattermost by way of feats) imo

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Because they are wrong?

I've never seen a source to state that Palpatine was a dark Jedi or that Vitiate was a dark Jedi?

Pretty sure people were telling you in this thread that Palpatine was called a Dark Jedi before, lol.

As for Vitiate, because by that time, they realised how vague the term was and decided not to apply it?