Palpatine Escaping Chaos As Spirit Debunked

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Freedon Nadd
https://scontent.fotp3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/28053054_1537311099709408_965938297_n.jpg?oh=9229964d9a9728eaafd198b9c4e95dc6&oe=5A889327

Unbowed
Just further proof that Krayt > Sheev.

Freedon Nadd
I don't know if he beats Sheev. But seeing that Sith spirits can visit the Chaos dimension and take Sidious from there, it further diminishes Sidious' Force ghost feats.
And did A'Sharad go into the Chaos when he was Fl'd by Wyyrlok III?

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by Unbowed
Just further proof that Krayt > Sheev.

Call out Azronger. He has to see this.

S_W_LeGenD
Fantastic find. Thank you.

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fantastic find. Thank you.

To be honest, I don't know why the people on this forum are not aware of it. I mean it's the last issue in this series.

MythLord
It's been retconned, I think.

Freedon Nadd
Is there a source stating otherwise? This is directly from the last issue of the comics.

Galan007
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
https://scontent.fotp3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/28053054_1537311099709408_965938297_n.jpg?oh=9229964d9a9728eaafd198b9c4e95dc6&oe=5A889327 RotJ wasn't the first time Palpatine had died, though.

DarthAnt66
Originally posted by Galan007
RotJ wasn't the first time Palpatine had died, though.
Chee has clarified Palpatine was lying about that. RotJ was.

Galan007
Cool. Mind posting the source?

Regardless, the DE Handbook makes it clear that Palpatine was well-prepared for his death(and resurrection) LONG before it happened, and was able to achieve said resurrection via his mastery of dark side magic.

Freedon Nadd
The ghosts brought him back, mate. Can't argue with the source itself. And where it was said that Palpatine died many more times? It wouldn't make sense if he died pre-DE. Chee is right. He lied.

Galan007
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
The ghosts brought him back, mate. Can't argue with the source itself. That is contradicted by the official DE Handbook, though:
https://i.imgur.com/ATd8ay6.jpg

Palpatine resurrected himself after his death in RotJ, thanks solely to his mastery of dark side magics and the like -- not because of 'help' from ancient Sith spirits or w/e...

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
And where it was said that Palpatine died many more times? It wouldn't make sense if he died pre-DE. Chee is right. He lied. DE #2:
https://i.imgur.com/BhDet6o.jpg

But yeah, I'm curious to see the quote from Chee that retcons Palpatine's above statement. I certainly didn't get the impression that Palpatine was originally intended to be lying in that scene, though -- he was telling Luke the true end result of tapping-into the dark side so deeply. It decays his body(that's *why* Palps kept a stockpile of clones on Byss, after all.) /shrug

DarthAnt66
What always stuck in the back of my mind about DE was just how old is Palpatine if he's been going from one cloned body to another? He said the process is painful so you know he did it at least one other time. Is that his second body in TPM?

None of the versions of Palpatine that you see in the films is a clone. The original Palpatine had a normal lifespan. He went through the clone transfer process between Eps VI and DE. (I concede that some "retconning" might need to be considered with the exact wording of the DE text.)

https://web.archive.org/web/20071230173107/http://www.darkhorse.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=101353&highlight=

I was wrong that Chee said Sidious was lying (he suggests retcon), but point is Sidious is not a clone in ROTJ. thumb up

Galan007
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What always stuck in the back of my mind about DE was just how old is Palpatine if he's been going from one cloned body to another? He said the process is painful so you know he did it at least one other time. Is that his second body in TPM?

None of the versions of Palpatine that you see in the films is a clone. The original Palpatine had a normal lifespan. He went through the clone transfer process between Eps VI and DE. (I concede that some "retconning" might need to be considered with the exact wording of the DE text.)

https://web.archive.org/web/20071230173107/http://www.darkhorse.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=101353&highlight=

I was wrong that Chee said Sidious was lying (he suggests retcon), but point is Sidious is not a clone in ROTJ. thumb up Cool, thanks... It is definitely a retcon, because Palpatine clearly wasn't intended to be lying in the original scene.

The good thing is that it doesn't really change much here. Chee even admits in the very same post that Palpatine was able to resurrect thanks to his *own* mastery of the force/dark side... Not because he had 'help' from ancient Sith spirits. thumb up

Zenwolf
The Complete Encyclopedia also states he returned through sheer will, so yeah that bit was retconned.

Galan007
Originally posted by Zenwolf
The Complete Encyclopedia also states he returned through sheer will, so yeah that bit was retconned. thumb up

https://i.imgur.com/RA91Ffl.jpg

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by Zenwolf
The Complete Encyclopedia also states he returned through sheer will, so yeah that bit was retconned.

Naga Sadow's spirit also escaped Chaos, after his vessel(on Coruscant) was destroyed, and returned to Yavin 4.

As about the CE, would you take that part for granted when its authors don't know the detailed context of Dark Empire comic books?

Geez, I hate inconsistencies.

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by Galan007
thumb up

https://i.imgur.com/RA91Ffl.jpg

Wait a moment. That void isn't Chaos, that void is the cosmic space. This takes place after he solo's himself with his own Force storm aboard the Eclipse. This doesn't occur when he died shortly after the last movie of OT.

So, there is no retcon after all.

Trocity
Freedumb's post backfired.


Try harder, FANBOY NERD LMAO.

Galan007
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Wait a moment. That void isn't Chaos, that void is the cosmic space. This takes place after he solo's himself with his own Force storm aboard the Eclipse. This doesn't occur when he died shortly after the last movie of OT.

So, there is no retcon after all. No.

That excerpt is referencing Palpatine's death(and subsequent resurrection) in RotJ. Since you're evidently unfamiliar with this source, I included a larger portion of preceding text with the excerpt this time for context:
https://i.imgur.com/0uowKyn.jpg

Again: Palpatine survived his death in RotJ solely through the use of his *own* power/will. The DE Handbook confirms this. The Complete Encyclopedia confirms this. Chee confirms this.

Freedon Nadd
Whelp, you proved they are connected. Concession accepted. But in this 'retcon', he wasn't sent into Chaos anymore. Thus, the Chaos feat never happened. I still don't know why people make a beef deal out of this. Sadow went into Chaos when his vessel was destroyed and returned to Yavin 4 afterwards.

The Merchant
Sadow didn't do that.

Azronger
Since other people jumped at this "debunking," I might as well offer my two cents as well, to put this age-old thing to rest:

https://i.imgur.com/ONiIDAQ.jpg

When Palpatine says "your spirits guided me back to life when I was destroyed by Vader..." at face value one could take that as the ancient Sith resurrecting the Emperor, but Gamer #5 offers more clarification: using the knowledge gained from the spirits did he resurrect himself. So in other words, the spirits guided him back to life by teaching him how to defy death. As mentioned before, the way Sheev words his statement certainly suggests a more hands-on approach by the ancients, but taking that interpretation over its actual meaning in the face of overwhelming evidence favoring the latter (Handbook 3: Dark Empire, Dark Empire Sourcebook, Gamer #5 etc.) proves you're worth pretty much nobody's time. thumb up

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by The Merchant
Sadow didn't do that.

What do you think it happens when Bane was slain and tried to possess Zannah: he was expelled and cast into Void. Naga Sadow's vessel was also struck and he was sent into Chaos. Not to mention that there was no dark focal for Sadow to bind his spirit. During one period of intense Force activity on the moon in 3638 BBY, Sadow's spirit manifested as a ghost in the jungles of Yavin 4

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by Azronger
Since other people jumped at this "debunking," I might as well offer my two cents as well, to put this age-old thing to rest:

https://i.imgur.com/ONiIDAQ.jpg

When Palpatine says "your spirits guided me back to life when I was destroyed by Vader..." at face value one could take that as the ancient Sith resurrecting the Emperor, but Gamer #5 offers more clarification: using the knowledge gained from the spirits did he resurrect himself. So in other words, the spirits guided him back to life by teaching him how to defy death. As mentioned before, the way Sheev words his statement certainly suggests a more hands-on approach by the ancients, but taking that interpretation over its actual meaning in the face of overwhelming evidence favoring the latter (Handbook 3: Dark Empire, Dark Empire Sourcebook, Gamer #5 etc.) proves you're worth pretty much nobody's time. thumb up

Are you really that idiot? That source of yours just states that he used Transference when he died at the Battle of Endor. It has nothing to do with his statement in the last issue of Dark Empire. Stop mixing them up to win your case. The Force doesn't work that way.
That source of yours just states he merely used Transference when his physical body ceased to function. That's all.

Not only that his Chaos feat is not impressive anymore, but it never happened due to that 'retcon'. But Sadow's Chaos feat happened, still. Even if you still want to believe that nonsense; that means those Sith Lords also possessed the knowledge and power to escape Chaos.

Oh, my, how Palpatine's 'cosmic' feat is rendered moot by one of his most loyal servants. smile laughing out loud

Nicely done, Azronger. You just showed how superior the ancient Sith are in comparison to Palpatine. Palpatine even came to them to ask for a cure regarding his plagued body.
Fact-wise, Palpatine isn't the most knowledgeable Sith Lord. There are only accolades: and most don't stand up to their claims.

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