Magneto vs Unworthy Thor

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Philosophía
Well?

zopzop
IMHO, Magneto breaks him. Won't be too difficult either. That uru arm and magic axe have no 'worthiness' enchantments on them so there's nothing to resist Magneto's power.

Now imagine a one armed and weaponless Thor vs Magneto. RIP Thor.

carver9
Agree with Zop. This is a bad fight for Thor.

krisblaze
Maybe Thor could end it with lightning.

If not then...

leonidas
yeah this is a tough one for thor.... lightning would be shielded and mags is a master of multi-tasking. ie he can shield and attack. a MAJOR lightning blast MAY do it, but this is def mags' fight to lose.

celeyhyga17
Odinson prolly gets punted to Jupiter

krisblaze
May do it?

Thor's attack will definitely get through.

Smurph
Definitely?

Between the durability of Mags' shields and his own ability to control/redirect/absorb lightning, I don't see Thor definitely busting through his defenses. Not in time, anyways.

Rage.Of.Olympus
How is Magneto's shielding trumping Thor's lightning for a greater percentage than Thor's own innate strength would enable to keep his arm from being thrown around. And, I also don't see how that's an automatic win.

Magneto's power isn't greater than Thor's physical strength and neither is his force field for Asgardian lightning.

bluewaterrider
It might be worth pointing out that Magneto has demonstrated the ability to call down lightning and direct it through other people, renew his strength by doing so, contest directly against people who normally have good CONTROL over lightning, AND generate powerful electric shock in the absence of visible lightning. Read carefully the following.


https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524447_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524449_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524450_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524451_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524452_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524454_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524455_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/37524456_image.jpg

Source: Uncanny X-Men #150

Magnon
Re-directing electric currents (e.g. lightning) is what magnetic fields do. It is the very f*cking DEFINITION of a magnetic field. Thor will NOT get through Mag's shields with lightning.

Magneto wins.

zopzop
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How is Magneto's shielding trumping Thor's lightning for a greater percentage than Thor's own innate strength would enable to keep his arm from being thrown around. And, I also don't see how that's an automatic win.

Magneto's power isn't greater than Thor's physical strength and neither is his force field for Asgardian lightning.
Magneto has slagged Adamantium with a thought :
https://s17.postimg.org/ckp6am8a3/wol-vs-magneto-11.jpg
You dont' have to worry if Thor is strong enough to not be pushed around by Magneto manipulating his arm. You have to worry about Magneto slagging it. Thor is now down to one arm. Then Magneto can manipulate that slagged Uru into a spike and ram it into Thor's head. /Fight.

Magneto's shields have held up just fine vs Thor's physical strength (while he was wielding Mjolnir and you can throw She-Hulk in there too just for fun) :
https://s17.postimg.org/4f74cgrqz/5219034-magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg
Yes, I'm aware of that scan from the 1950s that has Magneto straining to stop Thor's attacks. But he underwent a rebirth that boosted his powers in the 70s. So that showing doesn't hold water.

krisblaze
Regular lightning sure.

I doubt it's stopping magical lightning.

DarkSaint85
He's stopped magical metal before just fine......

krisblaze
Still buckled under Thor's strikes though.

It can stop heat also but Superman's heat vision is still going to blast straight through it.

Being able to manipulate a certain element or effect doesn't mean you can resist it to an unlimited degree. A planet of metal would still crush him.

zopzop
Originally posted by krisblaze
Still buckled under Thor's strikes though.


When was this? Recently?

krisblaze
Originally posted by zopzop
When was this? Recently?

Ages ago.

I'm not exactly 100% sold on my own argument here though stick out tongue

zopzop
Originally posted by krisblaze
Ages ago.

I'm not exactly 100% sold on my own argument here though stick out tongue
Are you referring to this :
https://s17.postimg.org/h9o08ev5n/Thor_Mjolnir33-_Striking_Power_JIM109.jpg
If so, the showing means nothing because years later Magneto had a rebirth of sorts and his power was increased.

krisblaze
What do you think the limit is for Magneto's shields?

If not the premier attacks by one of the stronger high heralds.

How many attacks would Thanos bring to bear to go through them? stick out tongue

carver9
Magneto shields has withstood attacks from Celestials and an angry Phoenix. Don't think it has ever been breached. Thor isnt breaking through it. The guy just struggled to break through a random shield and you think he can break through Magneto shields. That's funny.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
Are you referring to this :
https://s17.postimg.org/h9o08ev5n/Thor_Mjolnir33-_Striking_Power_JIM109.jpg
If so, the showing means nothing because years later Magneto had a rebirth of sorts and his power was increased.

This is false. Magneto has been depowered because he was drawing too much power before he was turned into a child.

http://imgur.com/wJ2qcwY.jpg
http://imgur.com/OP0NTlf.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Magneto shields has withstood attacks from Celestials and an angry Phoenix. Don't think it has ever been breached. Thor isnt breaking through it. The guy just struggled to break through a random shield and you think he can break through Magneto shields. That's funny.
Except Iron Man has breached his shields.

http://i.imgur.com/TUE8Tpv.png

Not for the first time either.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286194-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+1.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286195-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+2.jpg

Damborgson
Mags was weakened in the first one.

abhilegend
This is the funniest though.

https://s18.postimg.org/79cvt7k7d/image.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by Damborgson
Mags was weakened in the first one.
No, he was back at full power by using MGH in Axis.

krisblaze
Originally posted by carver9
Magneto shields has withstood attacks from Celestials and an angry Phoenix. Don't think it has ever been breached. Thor isnt breaking through it. The guy just struggled to break through a random shield and you think he can break through Magneto shields. That's funny.

I'll gladly battlezone that.

Magetos shields vs Thor's attacks

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Iron Man has breached his shields.

http://i.imgur.com/TUE8Tpv.png

Not for the first time either.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286194-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+1.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286195-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+2.jpg

His shields are up? And I'm sure he was not at full power during the time of your scans as well. First scan, I don't even think that was Magneto (well, his body but mind controlled).

celeyhyga17
This comes down to whether Thor lighting can mess with Mag's shields. I see his metal axe and metal arm more a detriment than them being favorable for him.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Iron Man has breached his shields.

http://i.imgur.com/TUE8Tpv.png

Not for the first time either.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286194-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+1.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286195-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+2.jpg huh Are you arguing in favor of Thor?

zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is false. Magneto has been depowered because he was drawing too much power before he was turned into a child.

http://imgur.com/wJ2qcwY.jpg
http://imgur.com/OP0NTlf.jpg
Double false! big grin
https://s17.postimg.org/pf6ipmv3v/Rf_Uc_QBS.jpg
"Far stronger than before." That's from the same story arc if I'm not mistaken.

Also there's this :
https://s17.postimg.org/6pej952fv/u_Dk_Otmg.jpg
"My process was a failure, Magneto -- effective only so long as the subject never used their mutant power. The structures of mind and body have t' be aligned a certain, specific way for those powers t' operate, in harmony so t' speak wi' yuir essential character. That's why you all have such indomitable wills. No matter how deeply ye're brainwashed, each use o' yuir powers reverts you to yuir natural, default state. "

h1a8
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How is Magneto's shielding trumping Thor's lightning for a greater percentage than Thor's own innate strength would enable to keep his arm from being thrown around. And, I also don't see how that's an automatic win.

Magneto's power isn't greater than Thor's physical strength and neither is his force field for Asgardian lightning.

Lightning is charged particles. By the very nature of Mags shields they block lightning no matter how much charge. The stronger the charge then the stronger the repelling force. This is how Earth's magnetic field works. Let's light in but blocks gamma and other strong charged particles.

Thor can't grab on to the ground with his feet. What's stopping Mags from lifting him? There is no way in hell Thor can compete here.

Philosophía
Originally posted by zopzop
Double false! big grin
https://s17.postimg.org/pf6ipmv3v/Rf_Uc_QBS.jpg
"Far stronger than before." That's from the same story arc if I'm not mistaken.

Also there's this :
https://s17.postimg.org/6pej952fv/u_Dk_Otmg.jpg
"My process was a failure, Magneto -- effective only so long as the subject never used their mutant power. The structures of mind and body have t' be aligned a certain, specific way for those powers t' operate, in harmony so t' speak wi' yuir essential character. That's why you all have such indomitable wills. No matter how deeply ye're brainwashed, each use o' yuir powers reverts you to yuir natural, default state. " thumb up

Magneto has gotten two upgrades. The first one was when he was grown up back to adulthood, thus healing both his mind + body and the second one was when he was nearly killed on Avlon in X-Men #1-3 IIRC and then returned more powerful than EVER before in Fatal Attractions.

Furthermore, the Joseph arc made it clear that Magneto is even more powerful than that, but he subconsciously has limits, so as not to burn out his body.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
His shields are up? And I'm sure he was not at full power during the time of your scans as well. First scan, I don't even think that was Magneto (well, his body but mind controlled).
Uh-huh. Don't try to talk when you have no idea what are you talking about.

It was inverted Magneto on MGH who was at his full power.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
Double false! big grin

"Far stronger than before." That's from the same story arc if I'm not mistaken.


This happened because just before that arc Magneto had absorbed Zaldane powers and was amped.


http://i.imgur.com/28Iy9Lhs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5FSFgz9s.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mOZnyors.jpg http://i.imgur.com/r67QFaSs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sZPlC9Js.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qzZMFexs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/79WNmZSs.jpg


She is talking about his mental state and that he made his own choices.

The genetic modifications were still present in his body.

http://i.imgur.com/KvFB16o.jpg

Magneto was never made more powerful than his old self.

abhilegend

krisblaze
Telekinetics affect and control everything.

I suppose there's no getting through their shields now hmm

abhilegend
Magneto is silver surfer of mid tiers. So much lip service and hardly anything to show except scattered feats through the decades.

He hasn't beaten a genuine top tier in well over a decade now.

zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
This happened because just before that arc Magneto had absorbed Zaldane powers and was amped.


http://i.imgur.com/28Iy9Lhs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5FSFgz9s.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mOZnyors.jpg http://i.imgur.com/r67QFaSs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sZPlC9Js.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qzZMFexs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/79WNmZSs.jpg


She is talking about his mental state and that he made his own choices.

The genetic modifications were still present in his body.

http://i.imgur.com/KvFB16o.jpg

Magneto was never made more powerful than his old self.
He also isn't weaker. He's at his physical prime.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
Magneto is silver surfer of mid tiers. So much lip service and hardly anything to show except scattered feats through the decades.

He hasn't beaten a genuine top tier in well over a decade now. I know you hate Silver Surfer but cut that out comparing him to Mags.

Plus Surfer just backhanded away a bunch of animal characters including Beta Ray Bill in SG. stick out tongue

Originally posted by deathslash
huh Are you arguing in favor of Thor? You think that S on his chest stands for Jerusalem?

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
He also isn't weaker. He's at his physical prime.
He has genetic modification to reduce the power he can channel.

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I know you hate Silver Surfer but cut that out comparing him to Mags.


I don't hate surfer. It's perfect anolagy.

And failed to ko even SG and Drax with energy blasts.

Those were random characters simulations conjured by Loki. Unless you think Surfer can backhand Ego away who was also conjured.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
huh Are you arguing in favor of Thor?
No, just posting some facts regarding magneto.

zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
He has genetic modification to reduce the power he can channel.
Read the scan I posted, she admitted it didnt' work.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't hate surfer. It's perfect anolagy.

And failed to ko even SG and Drax with energy blasts.

Those were random characters simulations conjured by Loki. Unless you think Surfer can backhand Ego away who was also conjured. Surfer doesn't even interarct with Earth anymore. Mags gets his jollies from getting emotionally abused by Emma.

Surfer is the master of restraint. Nah, they were real. I think they were even 616 characters too considering the whole stupidity of that ****ing Horse always being off panel in every comic. Every now and then they dish out Surfer something. Magneto gets zip.
Does it make sense? That is the question.

abhilegend
I don't think there is an actual horse Thor.

That's about as meaningful as Drax taking a point black blast from Surfer and getting up. It's not supposed to be taken seriously.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think there is an actual horse Thor.

That's about as meaningful as Drax taking a point black blast from Surfer and getting up. It's not supposed to be taken seriously. The comic said it was the first appearance but he's been off panel in every other comic. Hoofy Hoof Horse or something.

Like I said restraint. But just wanted to bring it up to show they haven't forgotten him as much as Mags. Nothing serious intended. Surfer does his best work in cameos of random comics. If only they could have a random ongoing where Surfer appears every 5 issues for a cameo.

cdtm
Asked this before:

What "can't Magneto affect?

People claim he can theoretically affect plastics.. Or wood. I call bullshit.. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far, and that doesn't give Mags a pass to accept he can manipulate non-ferrous metals..

So is Uru ferrous? Anyone have proof that it is?

zopzop
Originally posted by cdtm
So is Uru ferrous? Anyone have proof that it is?
Yes, he's affected Mjolnir before and that's heavily ENCHANTED uru.
https://s17.postimg.org/od5iyilwb/2_UIHz.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/r78obyvsb/kj0dz.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
The comic said it was the first appearance but he's been off panel in every other comic. Hoofy Hoof Horse or something.

Like I said restraint. But just wanted to bring it up to show they haven't forgotten him as much as Mags. Nothing serious intended. Surfer does his best work in cameos of random comics. If only they could have a random ongoing where Surfer appears every 5 issues for a cameo.
Cameos in Thor comics or Defenders?

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Magneto was amped in Fatal Attractions by Fabian Cortez IIRC. You're confusing the stories, that's not true. Fabian Cortez betrayed Magneto in X-Men #3 and they split. Fatal Attractions was after this.

In X-Men #3 Magneto almost discorporated into the Electromagnetic field and died, if not for an Accolyte sacrificing himself.

That process made him come back stronger than ever:

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t/37529627_40.jpg

"My near-discorporation within Earth's E.M field has left me more powerful than even I imagined"

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/37529637_51.jpg

"I am stronger than I have ever been - ever have imagined I would one day become"

Originally posted by abhilegend
He never received any power up when he was turned into an adult. It was opposite actually.

This is also not true...

It's explicitly state otherwise time and time again:

"Restored him to adulthood, even more powerful than before"

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/37529667_MagnetoMorePowerfulThanBefore.jpg

And again..

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/37529658_MagnetoPowerReturned.jpg

When his body was restored to youth, he regained all the power he had lost as time went on and more, specifically more powerful than he was for the entire Silver Age - you can even see them referencing all the way back to X-Men #4.


https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/37529669_QuantumLeapPower.jpg

"MY POWER HAS MADE A QUANTUM LEAP NOT ONLY IN RAW STRENGTH BUT IN SENSITIVITY AS WELL."


..

I could post dozens of other examples, but I don't have the scans at hand, and I wouldn't want to waste time searching for them...I wasted 15 minutes trying to download/upload the ones above.

Drop this, abhi.

zopzop

DarkSaint85
Don't drop it, abhi.

Waste his time.

krisblaze
Originally posted by zopzop
thumb up

Magneto murders Unworthy Thor.

Lightning still kills Magneto.

abhilegend

abhilegend
Links are here.

https://s18.postimg.org/vesaiv3xx/image.jpg https://s18.postimg.org/g62d53hz9/image.jpg

krisblaze
I think we're getting a bit off track here though.

I really am curious as to what degree of attack would be required to breach Magneto's shields, if not Thor's lightning or best attacks could do it.

Particularly people like Phil or Zop who deeply hate Thor stick out tongue

Magnon
Lightning is the least effective form of attack there is against a magnetic field. Magneto's shields can easily protect him long enough for him to mess up the metal-armed, metal-Armed unworthy Thor for good.

Thus I repeat, Magneto wins.

Mindset
Abhi is such a Thorbag smh.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
Read the scan I posted, she admitted it didnt' work.
For their mental state.

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
And in Magneto War, Magneto needed a machine to amplify his powers to manipulate EM spectrum of the world while he could do it by himself in Fatal Attractions. This is so deceiving, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Magneto used the machine to spread his essence over the entire world and become part of the Magnetosphere, to the point where he could feel individual walkie-talkies and blow-dryers:

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/37550560_MagnetoOneWithMagnetosphere.jpg

His point was to literally control everything in order to hold the world hostage and give him Genosha.

In Fatal Attractions, he simply send an EMP pulse and then went on with his day:

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/37550559_MagnetoEMP.jpghttps://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/37550561_MagnetoEMP1.jpg

To say the feats are equivalent is baffling, and then to use that as proof that he got an off-panel depowerment since Fatal Attractions is even moreso.

Jesus Christ abhi, what are you even doing here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
When Magneto fought Joseph in Magneto War, Joseph was more powerful than him because he lacked his inhibitions.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-etEJyH388Dit-v7Oi5A5- BFfX6dbqYhdoJbXLUXfIMbiMgL2owt2CNir8zFSve87fxDPTVr
DM2R=s1600

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ gii7xx9oGl09Eg0ZDrRHTYcA2d6I7KMuhiLnTALzfTrpIKjvGe
CHRVFjcmXnjS-qITci10-OYg9b=s1600

If Magneto was more powerful than ever, it wouldn't have been possible for Joseph to be more powerful than him.
This is so weird.

Out of all the people on the forum you, a Superman fan, should be the first to understand how a character holding back subconsciously, and another not, might make it seem like the other one is more powerful. How can you argue like this, and then go in a Supergirl vs Superman thread and say she only seemed more powerful because Superman has been used to holding back his whole life, while she wasn't?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The previous scans are retconned by X men 3 scans which states in clear terms that Magneto was channeling too much power and Moira modified his genetic structure so that he does not get mad again. You got this wrong.

The first time Magneto used his powers, Moira's tampering disappeared:

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/37550097_MoiraRevert.jpg

"My process was a failure - effective only so long as the subject never used their mutant power"

I've already showed you many instances of Magneto being called more powerful - him directly remarking that he is more powerful, him specifically saying he can now do things that he could not to before and explicitly having calls back to the entirety of Silver Age by going back to X-Men #4, the recaps explicitly saying that he came back to adulthood more powerful and there's literally a dozen other instances of it being stated.

This is not debatable. I'm serious, and it only makes it look worse the further you advance due to the ridiculous preponderance of clear evidence to the contrary.

Stop with this stubbornness. You can attack Magneto in much easier ways than to obfuscate the truth.

DarkSaint85
Finish him, abhi

Philosophía
Originally posted by krisblaze
I think we're getting a bit off track here though.

I really am curious as to what degree of attack would be required to breach Magneto's shields, if not Thor's lightning or best attacks could do it.

Particularly people like Phil or Zop who deeply hate Thor stick out tongue

Heh.

You probably know this, but I'm one of the people who doesn't overrate Magneto.

I think that the shield would be able to repel a few Mjolnir blows before it goes down.

Magneto can easily manipulate lightning, so that wouldn't work at all though, imo.

carver9
Philo is destroying ABHI. I feel bad for the guy.

StiltmanFTW
Each time, you type Abhi's nickname in caps. He makes you rock-hard or what?

carver9
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Each time, you type Abhi's nickname in caps. He makes you rock-hard or what?

I do it because I know it gets to you. smile

I'm loving it.

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
Philo is destroying ABHI. I feel bad for the guy. Shut up, moron.

StiltmanFTW
laughing

xJLxKing
I agree with Carver

One Big Mob
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cameos in Thor comics or Defenders? No. I said random comics for a reason. laughing out loud

carver9
Philo,

You took your medicine today?

StiltmanFTW
He did, that's why your ass is so sore now.

One Big Mob
Abhi and Carver teamup incoming, vs the unlubed phildo

Weird thread

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

celeyhyga17
KMC forums IS the medicine.

We all take a dose of it to keep the doctor away.

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
Philo,

You took your medicine today? You're carrying STDs?

I don't think they carry through your saliva, either way.

abhilegend
I'm not trying to compare the feats. It's just that in one showing where he was amped, he effected entire Earth's magnetosphere without an issue and later needed a machine to do that.

It's just to show the amp was temporary.



In this case, Joseph was exact duplicate of Magneto and was only more powerful than Magneto because he lacked the mental blocks all high powered mutants do.

If Magneto was more powerful than before, that shouldn't be possible because Joseph=base magneto without the restraints.



That was only regarding the mental state of the characters. Fabian Cortez found the genetic modification in Magneto's body years later.

http://i.imgur.com/KvFB16o.jpg

And even If Magneto reverted back to his original state, how does that makes him more powerful? He should be as powerful as before.

He was more powerful because he had drained Zaldane of her powers in uncanny 275.

I'm not trying to attack anyone here. Just showing what's actually happened.

One Big Mob

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not trying to compare the feats. It's just that in one showing where he was amped, he effected entire Earth's magnetosphere without an issue and later needed a machine to do that.

It's just to show the amp was temporary. In the first feat, he sent an EMP. In the second, he merged with the magnetosphere. These are two different feats. Just because he did the first, doesn't mean he could do the second at the same powerlevel. And just because he used a machine for the second, doesn't mean he is less powerful than the first.

You're using this to show he was depowered. You can't. Your comparison doesn't make sense. You have to see this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In this case, Joseph was exact duplicate of Magneto and was only more powerful than Magneto because he lacked the mental blocks all high powered mutants do.

If Magneto was more powerful than before, that shouldn't be possible because Joseph=base magneto without the restraints. Joseph was copied from Magneto after X-Men #1-3 and Fatal Attractions . Again, abhi, you're confused about the chronology.

Since Joseph was all-out Magneto , he was apparently more powerful than Magneto, who was not willing to go to that extent. It's literally Jeph Loeb's Supergirl compared to Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was only regarding the mental state of the characters. Fabian Cortez found the genetic modification in Magneto's body years later.

And even If Magneto reverted back to his original state, how does that makes him more powerful? He should be as powerful as before.

He was more powerful because he had drained Zaldane of her powers in uncanny 275.
All of the scans I showed you of him being more powerful than Silver Age OldNeto are far before he ever met Zaldane.

The genetic alterations didn't work, once he started using his powers. Moira directly says it. We have Magneto, in actual person, saying that he is more powerful. We have him actually doing feats that he explicitly says he couldn't do, ever since way back one of his first appearances in X-Men #4.

Stop arguing it, seriously, it's crazy. You have direct statements and demonstrations from Magneto that he is more powerful than before.

Start reading from Uncanny X-Men #104, and move up. Go to his first confrontations with the X-Men after his rejuvination. Go to Uncanny X-Men #150 when he almost kills Kitty, and reforms. Go through New Mutants.

There's so much material to go through, man, that you'll 100% see how wrong your position here is.

I know at this point that you know it's wrong. What I don't understand is why you keep going, since it just discredits your position, when it can be stronger by using actual valid evidence.

leonidas
my heart hurts watching abhi and phil go at it.

my heart swells at seeing phil suffer the same sense of bafflement that i have suffered going against abhi on many occasions.

i am so conflicted. sad

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by zopzop
Magneto has slagged Adamantium with a thought :
https://s17.postimg.org/ckp6am8a3/wol-vs-magneto-11.jpg
You dont' have to worry if Thor is strong enough to not be pushed around by Magneto manipulating his arm. You have to worry about Magneto slagging it. Thor is now down to one arm. Then Magneto can manipulate that slagged Uru into a spike and ram it into Thor's head. /Fight.

Magneto's shields have held up just fine vs Thor's physical strength (while he was wielding Mjolnir and you can throw She-Hulk in there too just for fun) :
https://s17.postimg.org/4f74cgrqz/5219034-magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg
Yes, I'm aware of that scan from the 1950s that has Magneto straining to stop Thor's attacks. But he underwent a rebirth that boosted his powers in the 70s. So that showing doesn't hold water.

Slagging it? That's dumb af. Are you good? Magneto is not in anyway slagging enchanted Black Uru forged in the same Celestial forge as Mjolnir:
https://s9.postimg.org/77aeboq57/RCO005.jpg

Being able to thoroughly manipulate Wolverine's adamantium is not in anyway similar and that's a ridiculous argument.

There are levels to this shit. At best, you can argue, he'd do what he did last time, and repel it or something to that extent, but he's not the goddamn Molecule Man. He's not slagging any type of metal simply because it's metal. He isn't slagging Celestial armor, he isn't slagging the Destroyer, Uru, Adamantine or anything of the sort. Again, there are levels to this shit. Comics have made that abundantly clear for decades.

No, Magneto's shields withstood one blow before almost buckling soon after in one comic. A decade later, we have one panel of his shields withstanding a blow from She-Hulk and Thor (Hela's curse, so massively weakened).

That's so far gone from him being able to withstand Thor's blows repeatedly, I don't understand how you could make that connection. Would you like to compare what has buckled Magneto and what Thor has broken?

Thor's best power feats > Magneto's best shielding feats. If Thor gets on top and starts hammering away at Magneto, he is straight up f*cked.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Smurph
Definitely?

Between the durability of Mags' shields and his own ability to control/redirect/absorb lightning, I don't see Thor definitely busting through his defenses. Not in time, anyways.

Thor's lightning =/= Storm's lightning or regular lightning though. I wasn't sure that to be explained.

Sure, some writers might treat it similar, but plenty of times it has been treated completely differently. Thor's lightning has had as much miscellaneous uses as Magneto entire power set. Everything from teleportation, to matter manipulation, to sealing a broken moon to affecting an out of phase Atum in the heart of Sun....

Saying he can manipulate and control lightning which translates to Thor's lightning's being not effective is dumb AF. Magneto vs. Zeus next? And yes, Zeus is the closest example I can think off with similar feats to Thor in the sheer power department of lightning.

Aside from the fact that Thor's lightning has some power showings which suggest he'd flat out kill Magneto, shield and all.

zopzop
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Slagging it? That's dumb af. Are you good? Magneto is not in anyway slagging enchanted Black Uru forged in the same Celestial forge as Mjolnir:
https://s9.postimg.org/77aeboq57/RCO005.jpg

Being able to thoroughly manipulate Wolverine's adamantium is not in anyway similar and that's a ridiculous argument.

There are levels to this shit. At best, you can argue, he'd do what he did last time, and repel it or something to that extent, but he's not the goddamn Molecule Man. He's not slagging any type of metal simply because it's metal. He isn't slagging Celestial armor, he isn't slagging the Destroyer, Uru, Adamantine or anything of the sort. Again, there are levels to this shit. Comics have made that abundantly clear for decades.

No, Magneto's shields withstood one blow before almost buckling soon after in one comic. A decade later, we have one panel of his shields withstanding a blow from She-Hulk and Thor (Hela's curse, so massively weakened).

That's so far gone from him being able to withstand Thor's blows repeatedly, I don't understand how you could make that connection. Would you like to compare what has buckled Magneto and what Thor has broken?

Thor's best power feats > Magneto's best shielding feats. If Thor gets on top and starts hammering away at Magneto, he is straight up f*cked.
Calm your ****. This is Unworthy Thor. That means no Mjolnir (so there goes like 80% of his best feats). It's just Thor, his metal axe, his metal arm, and his lightening attacks against one of the best EM spectrum manipulating beings in comics. Good luck with that.

Magnon
Rachel's shields > Thor's Mjolnir strike. Magneto's magnetic fields > Rachel's telekinesis.

Magneto should be able to, quite easily, protect himself from Thor's attacks long enough to defeat him. Magneto doesn't even need to "slag" the arm nor the axe, just rip them off and maul Thor into submission with them.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80033/2432100-thor_vs_rachel.jpg

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ffhkliDm1qbn3r5.jpg

StiltmanFTW
Surprised it's still open.

Mags rapes Thor and reverses Rage's blood flow as a bonus.

Damborgson
I see it as much more likely that magneto can endure Thor's lightning enough at least to give him time to send Jarnbjorn at Thor.

Even if we say Thor can resist with his own strength, Magneto can take his arm against him too.

Its still a good fight but only because since it wasn't specified, its a featureless environment. And I'd still back magneto.

CosmicComet
Damn surprised to see you back Mags here

DarkSaint85
Didn't you hear?

Damborg has been in the Kryptonian Regeneration Matrix.

CosmicComet
Yes I've commented before on Phil's Palpatine style corruption of damb. But I didn't know it progressed so fast.

Damborgson
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Damn surprised to see you back Mags here

I think Thor can win, I just see it as more likely Magneto does given Thor's limitations.

This new Thor doesn't seem as strong as his classic self physically, even after his confidence boosting Unworthy Thor series he still has fits of depression, like in Secret Empire.

Plus it'll just be a struggle the whole time as he fights Magneto for control.

If he goes high end, he can blow Magneto away though.

Now put this Thor in there:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3531560-0+%284%29.jpg

And it'll be different, classic Thor was still a force of nature without Mjolnir.

Damborgson
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yes I've commented before on Phil's Palpatine style corruption of damb. But I didn't know it progressed so fast.

He's not corrupting me, he's just a mentor and a friend...

http://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/66/73/bc88b89615d80c627826a3350425ede0.gif































stick out tongue

DarkSaint85
More like:

http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Action-Comics-990-DC-Comics-Rebirth-Doomsday-Clock-spoilers-7-e1508922117667-300x184.jpg

carver9
Lol... Phil is so weird.

leonidas
a weakened mags has straight up handled ground zero nukes, and in the comic world nukes still carry some weight. if he just stood there and let thor rain lightning, thor could probably get through, but like i said, mags is an awesome pulti tasker. as he's shielding, he could rip apart thor's arm (not much if any enchantment on it, is there?) and if he could affect the hammer, he could def affect the axe which has far less enchantment. thor also has other metal on his costume that mags could take advantage of. i really see this as mags' to lose.

carver9
I'm sure there is enchantment on Thor arm unless someone can explain to me how he is moving it around as if it is a normal arm.

DarkSaint85
I think they mean enchantments that make it more durable or like Mjolnir, where only Odinson can lift it

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by carver9
I'm sure there is enchantment on Thor arm unless someone can explain to me how he is moving it around as if it is a normal arm.

Thor is a latent telekinetic, you fool.

krisblaze
Originally posted by leonidas
a weakened mags has straight up handled ground zero nukes, and in the comic world nukes still carry some weight. if he just stood there and let thor rain lightning, thor could probably get through, but like i said, mags is an awesome pulti tasker. as he's shielding, he could rip apart thor's arm (not much if any enchantment on it, is there?) and if he could affect the hammer, he could def affect the axe which has far less enchantment. thor also has other metal on his costume that mags could take advantage of. i really see this as mags' to lose.

You think mags is ripping apart Thor's arm?

abhilegend
He was able to sense the entire EM spectrum and disrupted it throughout the world.

In the second he also disrupted the EM spectrum but it was with a machine.

The depowerment happened because when Xavier mind wiped Magneto, it damaged his genetic code as well.

https://s17.postimg.org/fwbj459mj/image.jpg

That's why Magneto needed Sugar Man's tech to restore his genetic code in Magneto Dark Seduction.

Well he was Depowered because of the genetic defects and had to use Fabian Cortez and Polaris to get back at full power and then repair his genetic code.



I'm not sure you're getting what I'm saying. Magneto was less than at full power after Xavier damaged his genetic code.

https://s17.postimg.org/fwbj459mj/image.jpg

So no Joseph wasn't Magneto with all his amps and what not.



I know. Hence the retcon in X men 3.

He was only more powerful in X men 1 due to the absorption of Zaldane powers. Him being more powerful than before was retconned away.

I've read enough about Magneto. That's why I'm saying what I'm saying.

Modern Magneto isn't more powerful than the old Magneto. Call it whatever you want but that's what X men 3 says.

leonidas
why not? unenchanted uru has been shattered by a shot of nitrogen and a hand gun.

https://imgur.com/a/FBUKa

and thor has carved unenchanted uru with his fingers:

https://imgur.com/a/zsuy5

if his arm was enchanted somehow (still not sure if it is), maybe he couldn't rip it apart, but he'd still likely be able to have some level of control over it. if it's straight uru, i could easily see mags shredding it and even choking thor to death with it. /shrug

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
a weakened mags has straight up handled ground zero nukes, and in the comic world nukes still carry some weight. if he just stood there and let thor rain lightning, thor could probably get through, but like i said, mags is an awesome pulti tasker. as he's shielding, he could rip apart thor's arm (not much if any enchantment on it, is there?) and if he could affect the hammer, he could def affect the axe which has far less enchantment. thor also has other metal on his costume that mags could take advantage of. i really see this as mags' to lose.
When Magneto tanked the nukes, he was amped by a machine.

leonidas
huh? where was this? possible i just don't recall, but where did you see that? and regardless, his shields still haven't been broken. they also held against dark phoenix among others.

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
huh? where was this? possible i just don't recall, but where did you see that? and regardless, his shields still haven't been broken. they also held against dark phoenix among others.
Magneto War.

I already posted Iron Man alone breaking his shields.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Iron Man has breached his shields.

http://i.imgur.com/TUE8Tpv.png

Not for the first time either.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286194-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+1.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/5286195-repulsors+163+repulsors+break+magneto's+shields+2.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
This is the funniest though.

https://s18.postimg.org/79cvt7k7d/image.jpg

Magneto never faced Dark Phoenix. When he fought Jean, she had psychic circuits to stop her from using her full power. Even Warhawk defeated her a few issues ago before Magneto did.

krisblaze
Originally posted by leonidas
why not? unenchanted uru has been shattered by a shot of nitrogen and a hand gun.

https://imgur.com/a/FBUKa

and thor has carved unenchanted uru with his fingers:

https://imgur.com/a/zsuy5

if his arm was enchanted somehow (still not sure if it is), maybe he couldn't rip it apart, but he'd still likely be able to have some level of control over it. if it's straight uru, i could easily see mags shredding it and even choking thor to death with it. /shrug

Thor also reforged Mjolnir in the pittsburg steel mill once.

Not exactly relevant now.

If it'd not enchanted then how else would Thor move it? Ot how would it survive the smelting process of the celestial forge? How would it ha e Thor's strength?

How would the arm he is wearing be comparable to a slab of uru? Or just a random uru rock?

abhilegend
Here is the interview from Claremont from X men companion.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75182/5408393-6472371086-j7t54.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75182/5408394-8148707277-2u7om.jpg

zopzop
@Abhi
You didn't need the writer's comments, here it is on panel :
https://s17.postimg.org/cbk8ypch7/image.jpg
Jean imposed limits on herself since the M'krann Crystal incident.

krisblaze
I miss claremont.

Writers today don't give a flying **** about consistency or anything.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's lightning =/= Storm's lightning or regular lightning though. I wasn't sure that to be explained.

Sure, some writers might treat it similar, but plenty of times it has been treated completely differently. Thor's lightning has had as much miscellaneous uses as Magneto entire power set. Everything from teleportation, to matter manipulation, to sealing a broken moon to affecting an out of phase Atum in the heart of Sun....

Saying he can manipulate and control lightning which translates to Thor's lightning's being not effective is dumb AF. Magneto vs. Zeus next? And yes, Zeus is the closest example I can think off with similar feats to Thor in the sheer power department of lightning.

Aside from the fact that Thor's lightning has some power showings which suggest he'd flat out kill Magneto, shield and all.
laughing out loud

Leave it to Rage to wank Thor to such a degree.

Iron man has repeatedly taken lightning blasts from Thor.


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Stats/ClassicStrikingPower10Avengers220.jpg


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Stats/BEEnergy03IMThor4.jpg

And even manipulate it.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01IMThor4.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01a.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation02a.jpg

There is no reason why Magneto can't do it.

krisblaze
Regular lightning can hurt high heralds hmm

Storm must be trans for sure hmm

leonidas
Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor also reforged Mjolnir in the pittsburg steel mill once.

Not exactly relevant now.

If it'd not enchanted then how else would Thor move it? Ot how would it survive the smelting process of the celestial forge? How would it ha e Thor's strength?

How would the arm he is wearing be comparable to a slab of uru? Or just a random uru rock?

lol yeah that mill was funny. uroc was obviously also enchanted though--i mean he was moving AND walking and talking.... the more enchantments placed on uru the harder it becomes. so unless there are some strong enchantments, i don't really see the arm holding up. the axe, maybe. the arm? not imo.

leonidas
Originally posted by abhilegend
Magneto War.

I already posted Iron Man alone breaking his shields.



Magneto never faced Dark Phoenix. When he fought Jean, she had psychic circuits to stop her from using her full power. Even Warhawk defeated her a few issues ago before Magneto did.

none of the first 3 scans show tony breaking the shields. no expression the first one certainly not, and the second one he doesn't even look like he has a shield. the last one he blatantly prepped for.

as for dp--she wasn't obviously at star destroying levels, but her powers WERE dramatically increased still. zop's scan supports it--the psychic breakers kept her from achieving her highest levels. no reason to think she wasn't at the same level where she chumped firelord.

and warhawk?? i hope you don't mean that nonsense where he shot her with a tranq dart while she was still jean. that has....nothing to do with her in her dp form.

krisblaze
Originally posted by leonidas
lol yeah that mill was funny. uroc was obviously also enchanted though--i mean he was moving AND walking and talking.... the more enchantments placed on uru the harder it becomes. so unless there are some strong enchantments, i don't really see the arm holding up. the axe, maybe. the arm? not imo.

All in all I'd say this is a rough one for Thor.

But I can't shake the feeling that he might just power through Magnetos shit and destroy him.

Though Magneto might win I just don't see him destroying the arm or affecting it in any meaningful way.

leonidas
you may well be right. i just don't see any reason why he couldn't especially given the fact that he has already affected the vastly more powerful hammer. /shrug

celeyhyga17
Prolly isn't slagging the arm or the axe. He most likely will affect them though.

I definitely see a power struggle. No way in hell Mags will let Odinson get anywhere close to him. If somehow Odinson starts closing the distance, Mags will try his darndest to fend him off.

Odinson only chance is powering through with a combination of strength, storm, and lightning. Axe and arm won't be why Mags loses. While he on the other hand can utilize them to increase his odds of winning.

krisblaze
The way I see it he's usually not contending with Thor's strength when he's messing with the hammer.

As is often the case when someone manipulates the hammer. It'd be a different thing to try and move something that is a part of him.

abhilegend
Originally posted by leonidas
none of the first 3 scans show tony breaking the shields. no expression the first one certainly not, and the second one he doesn't even look like he has a shield. the last one he blatantly prepped for.


He oneshots Magneto in Axis through his shields. In Avengers children crusade he breached his shields and Wiccan had to save Magneto.

In WCA 60, he just threw a wooden crate through his shields.

Claremont himself stated that she was Storm level in power.

That's not that high.

And she didn't do anything to him, eh?

Jean wasn't dark Phoenix against Magneto either.

leonidas
i saw the scans. i'm saying you're seeing things. the first scan has mags cry in pain, but he's waving some power in front. that isn't his traditional shield. c'mon... the second set he's TALKING to tony. it's clear his shields aren't even up. the third tony prepped for him--still silly but whatever.

and claremont said they ORIGINALLY viewed her at storm level. did they envision storm being able to chump firelord too then? again, no proof at all she was at a lesser power level than when she fought the herald. and embarrassed him.

lol and superman was ko'd by a gas station. wtf are you getting at? this thread hasn't been your finest work....

on the plus side, you're right about dp and mags though. talk about phoenix had me thinking of something else. thumb up

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was able to sense the entire EM spectrum and disrupted it throughout the world.

In the second he also disrupted the EM spectrum but it was with a machine.
In the first feat, he send an EMP.

In the second feat, he merged with the magnetosphere.

They're not the same feat, and they don't necessitate the same level of power - made obvious by the fact that he used a machine for the second.

Your whole argument rests on them being equivalent feats, thus he was depowered for the 2nd because he needed the machine, when that is not the case.

You're purposely being blind. I'm not some Marvel fanboy you need to have the last words to or move the goalpost. And I have no reason go "nah nah" if you just admit you're wrong and move.

The fact that you can't is rather dissappointing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The depowerment happened because when Xavier mind wiped Magneto, it damaged his genetic code as well.

https://s17.postimg.org/fwbj459mj/image.jpg

That's why Magneto needed Sugar Man's tech to restore his genetic code in Magneto Dark Seduction.
Ok, this is where I peace out. This consumes time and is actively breaking my e-heart.

I'm honestly tired of correcting you, then continuing to throw other shit at the wall. You've moved so far from your initial point, that you don't even know what you're arguing, you're a literal shit-hits-the-fan.

You're wrong here, as you've been wrong on literally every point you've made in this discussion.

Magneto wasn't depowered because of Xavier, that happened long before Magneto War, and in your own scan it says that Astral healed him from the damage Xavier had done, otherwise Joseph would have been a vegetable. He was depowered at the end of Magneto War when he used the machine/fought Joseph and the X-Men which damaged him, since he was channeling so much energy.

You can see that literally at the end of the storyline if you had read the goddamn thing:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/37571577_RCO023_1469646139.jpg

The issue is specifically stated by the author as the moment he was depowered:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/37571576_RCO008_1469473345.jpg

Have a good day, abhi. All of these pages have been dissappointing as shit.

abhilegend
Well, let's just agree to disagree.

And Astra didn't heal his genetic code, just her mind.

quanchi112
Phil destroys abhi and he just takes it.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Leave it to Rage to wank Thor to such a degree.

Iron man has repeatedly taken lightning blasts from Thor.


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Stats/ClassicStrikingPower10Avengers220.jpg


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Stats/BEEnergy03IMThor4.jpg

And even manipulate it.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01IMThor4.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01a.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation02a.jpg

There is no reason why Magneto can't do it.

I specifically mentioned that some writers have treated it as regular lighting, which sometimes it is, but a vast number of instances, it is anything but and is actually defined as divine in origin depending on how he summons it.

Thor speciiticially channeled a bolt into Iron Man that separated Diablo from the Destroyer that was forcibly draining every pantheon in existence and attaining omnipotence. How the is that relevant here or evidence of anything but Thor's power having a far higher power ceiling. And Iron Man having a historically impressive channeling capabilities (Briefly, because he has strict
Limits) even against superior energy manipulators to Magneto lile the Silver Surfer.

Also, what is your argument here? That Magneto can manipulate lightning? Of course. That's cool. Are you arguing he can do it better than Thor or match the limits of his power or that his shields can withstand it? A page ago you posted that Iron Man (Lol) can penetrate his shield....

h1a8
Magnetic shields propell lightning as strong as the the charge on the lightning. In other words, the stronger the lightning the stronger it will be repelled.

Also, Mags could simply rip Thor's metal from his arm, reform it to something sharp, and use it to kill Thor.

Mags could levitate Thor and turn him around.

Vanguard
Magneto.

Truthfully one of the GOAT villains

krisblaze
Originally posted by h1a8
Magnetic shields propell lightning as strong as the the charge on the lightning. In other words, the stronger the lightning the stronger it will be repelled.

Also, Mags could simply rip Thor's metal from his arm, reform it to something sharp, and use it to kill Thor.

Mags could levitate Thor and turn him around.

Thor is stronger than Magneto smile

leonidas
he doesn't need to be stronger, his control of EM radiation does:

https://imgur.com/a/dEXSx

https://imgur.com/a/WmlW3

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I specifically mentioned that some writers have treated it as regular lighting, which sometimes it is, but a vast number of instances, it is anything but and is actually defined as divine in origin depending on how he summons it.


So you want your cake and eat it too like always?

Under DnA, Thor specifically used divine lightning on Iron man and he manipulated it.

That was just a specific weakness for Diablo controlled Destroyer.

Unless you think Thor is more powerful than Earth pantheon.

Are you suggesting Iron man is a better EM manipulator than ****ing Magneto?

I was just clarifying the myths regarding Magneto's shields.

He can manipulate lightning better than unworthy Thor without a doubt.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
they also held against dark phoenix among others.

You're color blind, leo? Or there really is an issue with Mags facing DP Jean...?

leonidas
lol no i admitted that error already. we were talking about something else and...i went colour blind. but it was only briefly. thumb up

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you want your cake and eat it too like always?

Under DnA, Thor specifically used divine lightning on Iron man and he manipulated it.

That was just a specific weakness for Diablo controlled Destroyer.

Unless you think Thor is more powerful than Earth pantheon.

Are you suggesting Iron man is a better EM manipulator than ****ing Magneto?

I was just clarifying the myths regarding Magneto's shields

He can manipulate lightning better than unworthy Thor without a doubt.

Did you not read your own scans? Thor specifically channeled the lightning into Iron Man to blast Diablo Destroyer. How is that evidence of Magneto doing anything?

https://s10.postimg.org/ao23tth39/RCO016_1476350443.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/4ad0qkjx1/RCO017_1476350443.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/7tyygducl/RCO018_w_1476350443.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/xcratjqt1/RCO019_1476350443.jpg

He had no weakness, that was the point. Thor summoned divine transformation energies and channeled them directly into Iron Man to calibrate and focus into precision, not to kill him. And he failed the first time, Thor had to do it twice! Iron Man has channeled everything from the Power Cosmic to Captain Marvel's energy easily.

And why is it relevant here? Is Thor going to be working with Magneto or trying to beat the shit out of him? What is Magneto going to do when Thor summons that kind of power to actually defeat him?

laughing out loud

Oh I get it. So Diablo MUST have had a specific weakness that was never mentioned because otherwise, Thor overpowered the divine energies of every pantheon in existence and such a high end showing clearly doesn't make sense for anyone who isn't Superman. SMH.

laughing out loud

Thor vs. Magneto lightning manipulation battle zone? Unworthy Thor and Worthy Thor have the exact same powers over the weather. Mjolnir is not the source of his weather powers. Thor might not have the subtlety to manipulate atoms or something that delicate, but his raw command over the weather is just as powerful.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by leonidas
he doesn't need to be stronger, his control of EM radiation does:

https://imgur.com/a/dEXSx

https://imgur.com/a/WmlW3

The power Thor can summon through meteorological forces, both basic (Lightning) and unique (Cosmic storms) outstrip Magneto's capabilities over the EM spectrum. It ranges from superior, to far beyond depending on what showings you use. It'd be like Abhilgened vs. a paraplegic in a fist fight. Totally unfair to Abhilegend.

Tar-Antado
Mags is nearly a match for worthy Thor. Unworthy is fu*ked here.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did you not read your own scans? Thor specifically channeled the lightning into Iron Man to blast Diablo Destroyer. How is that evidence of Magneto doing anything?

https://s10.postimg.org/ao23tth39/RCO016_1476350443.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/4ad0qkjx1/RCO017_1476350443.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/7tyygducl/RCO018_w_1476350443.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/xcratjqt1/RCO019_1476350443.jpg


Did you read the scans? Tony had to manipulate the lightning when it was specifically divine by nature. That makes your point moot that anytime his lightning is manipulated, it's treated like regular lightning. Not that it was ever a point.

So you are telling us Iron man had to manipulate it all by his own? Horrors.

Are you saying Iron man is a better EM manipulator than Magneto? Go ahead and say it if you are serious about it.

Manipulate it and throw it at Thor to KTFO him.

After all that's what Cho did. I can't wait to hear how Cho is a better energy manipulator than Magneto.

Exactly. Thor is a skyfather man. Able to only overwhelm Destroyer by such a sneaky manner and never able to do anything to it directly.

Iron man flat out says that the Diablo Destroyer merger is due to merger of science and divine and he separates them using the same method.

But don't worry, Iron man>>>Earth pantheons too. What a bunch of puny gods.

Sure. But worthy Thor and unworthy Thor don't have the same command over weather and that has been explicitly stated.

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You don't get to use worthy Thor feats for unworthy Thor and I do the battlezone. Right now even Storm has better lightning manipulation feats than Betason.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by abhilegend
Did you read the scans? Tony had to manipulate the lightning when it was specifically divine by nature. That makes your point moot that anytime his lightning is manipulated, it's treated like regular lightning. Not that it was ever a point.

So you are telling us Iron man had to manipulate it all by his own? Horrors.

Are you saying Iron man is a better EM manipulator than Magneto? Go ahead and say it if you are serious about it.

Manipulate it and throw it at Thor to KTFO him.

After all that's what Cho did. I can't wait to hear how Cho is a better energy manipulator than Magneto.

Exactly. Thor is a skyfather man. Able to only overwhelm Destroyer by such a sneaky manner and never able to do anything to it directly.

Iron man flat out says that the Diablo Destroyer merger is due to merger of science and divine and he separates them using the same method.

But don't worry, Iron man>>>Earth pantheons too. What a bunch of puny gods.

Sure. But worthy Thor and unworthy Thor don't have the same command over weather and that has been explicitly stated.

You don't get to use worthy Thor feats for unworthy Thor and I do the battlezone. Right now even Storm has better lightning manipulation feats than Betason.

Your point has no merit when it is Thor channeling the lightning into Iron Man and specifically working together with him. Not trying to fry the shit out of him.

That would make sense except Iron Man was the focusing tool, not the source of power which was Thor. Your lowballing has no merit here. For the record, the power needed to overcome Diablo Destroyer would be far beyond any regular Skyfather. We saw the guardian of Otherworld in the reflection as well.

laughing out loud

That had nothing to do with him being without Mjolnir, and was reflective of his mental state of mind. Again, did you not read the mini? How could you so poorly miss the point? He realized the hammer is pointless and began his path again to being the greatest God who ever lived:
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In his next appearance, he even matches the Mother Storm against the Phoenix:
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Lol, you don't get to decide what does or does not count. Aaron has made it very clear that Thor's weather powers are distinct from Mjolnir and he was born the God of Thunder.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your point has no merit when it is Thor channeling the lightning into Iron Man and specifically working together with him. Not trying to fry the shit out of him.


Lolwut? He even warns Iron man that it might kill him but it was not at full power because Thor wasn't trying to kill Tony?

The excuses you toss are pitiful.

Thor AND Iron man together did it. If was melding of magic and science that separated Diablo from Destroyer.

They did not overpowered Destroyer.

So Thor+Iron Man >>>Skyfathers, eh? No wonder they are so weak.

Except he didn't suddenly become worthy and snapped out of his ***** phase.

He is still unworthy and hence he does not get regular Thor's feats.

laughing out loud

So let me get this straight, you think Unworthy Thor can match mother storm which can "grant" power enough to beat Odin IYO?

Never mind that fighting someone side by side doesn't mean you are matching the other character.

But let me see some other mental gymnastics you do so well for Odin and Thor.

Yes, I can. He has made it clear that Unworthy Betason doesn't gets the power of worthy Thor.

Are you again chickenimg out of the BZ you asked for? It's about Unworthy Thor vs Magneto, not Unworthy Thor with worthy Thor's feats vs Magneto.

Talk about being a *****.

leonidas
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The power Thor can summon through meteorological forces, both basic (Lightning) and unique (Cosmic storms) outstrip Magneto's capabilities over the EM spectrum. It ranges from superior, to far beyond depending on what showings you use. It'd be like Abhilgened vs. a paraplegic in a fist fight. Totally unfair to Abhilegend.

i wasn't talking about his meteorological force, i was talking about his PHYSICAL strength. but your analogy is on point. thumb up

quanchi112
Rage, don't even take abhi seriously. The kid bitches out of battlezones all the time. Phil recently berated him like a junior varsity player and he just took it like a beta. Abhi lowered his own stock and just pass him by. He isn't worthy of a battlezone.

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