American Eagle Vs Bane

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riv6672
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b7/d5/d4/b7d5d4c42eefb3568fd51a8079651a64.jpg

No prep.
No BFR.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0d/42/64/0d4264f9c812d987674c2ef66c1bc2d7.jpg

Vanguard
That picture of Bane KICKS ASS.

But American Eagle wins.

Supermutant
American Eagle gave Bullseye one of his worst beatings ever. And that same type of beating is what Bane will give him.

riv6672
I only recently saw that Bullseye best down. Hilarious!

Zack M
Bane, feats and all.

StiltmanFTW
http://cdn1us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/article_width/public/21americaneagle.jpg

Zack M
Bane took down the entire arkham assylum, which included Solomon Grundy.

riv6672
^^^yeah, citing Grundy always comes with the caveat which Grundy'.
You shoulda just gone with took down Arkham.

Supermutant
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://cdn1us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/article_width/public/21americaneagle.jpg

nice what strength level was Thing at?

venom-less Bane

http://i.imgur.com/2iDLCkg.png

riv6672
80 tons.
He's always been one of the most consistent characters in terms of strength i can think of.

EDIT
-Not- saying AE is an 80 tonner, just answering the question.

Supermutant
yeah he's 80-ish tons after a couple of upgrades. he started out around 10 tons or so. Judging by that artwork Thing could have been around a significantly less strength level than his consistent 80-ish tons. That's why the question about it. Either way still a good feat for America Eagle.

Here is Bane w/venom temporary restraining cl 100 Cheetah. Of course current Bane is much stronger and a legit meta.

https://i.imgur.com/WQ2nhvtl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Py5hQ0Ll.jpg

riv6672
No, he was and had been 80 tons for a quite a while by the time American Eagle debuted in MARVEL TWO IN ONE ANNUAL 6 (October 1981).

If anything i erred on the side of caution, as i rounded Ben down to 80 tons.
THE OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE 11 (November 1983) lists him at 85 tons.
Rounding him down by 70-75 tons during that arm wrestling match is way off the mark. Then again, putting Cheetah at 100 tons is way off the mark IMHO.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w8zqFCUkAOo/VwxHisUrDJI/AAAAAAAAVg4/QG8kkmvksXcghgOQqagSy3-W5p866BDpwCLcB/s1600/Thing3.jpg

Again, -not- saying AE is an 80-85 tonner, just answering the question, and now, pointing out that AE -does- have the strength and skill at arm wrestling to stalemate an 85 ton character for 15 minutes.
Arm wrestling isnt fighting of course.
This was more an exercise in doing some research on old books i enjoyed as a kid.

riv6672
Actually realized, given the publication dates, AE would be in the handbook too.
These are his stats, barring any power fluctuations in the last 37 years.
His costume's definitely changed for the better:

https://image.ibb.co/cpNx7c/image.jpg

Supermutant
sigh I said "could have been" not making a definitive statement that's why I asked the question. I also didn't state that Thing was only a class 10 tonner when he arm wrestled AE, only that he started at that level when he first got his powers. I was thinking with the artwork he might have been around 35 or so tons by the AE scan, but like I said nice feat for AE either way.

The Minerva Cheetah definitely has the feats to be cl 100 like stalemating WW in a test of strength but this isn't a Cheetah feats thread, and I don't care enough to post her feats. Anyone can do a simple google search.

Anyways Pre-52 Bane koes Mammoth with one punch.

https://i.imgur.com/uVnYz9bl.jpg

edit lol your own scan bring out my point about thing's strength level in his early years and how it has grown considerably.

riv6672
Sure thing, guy.
Sorry about any confusion on my part due to unclear writing on your part.

Aaanyway, while this isnt a Cheetah thread, any more than it is a Thing thread, claiming she's class100 then not showing it is...up to you.
I at least provided info on Ben as it pertains to the AE feat posted by Stiltman, since you seemed...fuzzy, on how strong Ben was/has been, for decades.

TBC, i'm not picking a winner here, just answering a question/trying to keep the thread moving.
If you're going for Bane, thats great, i just havent seen anything super convincing to back that up.
It seems a fairly even match so far/slight edge to AE.

Supermutant
You are the only one who thought I was unclear. And stop trying to mischaracterize my position. I specifically referred to Ben's strength upgrade doing his early days. A point which your own handbook scan confirms. Speaking of which 1983 isn't the same as 1981. A lot can happen to a character in 2 years. Plus handbook are notorious for being outdated or flat out wrong. Moreover we are discussing a specific story. I seem to remember Kazar fighting AE and AE's brother with his same powers being killed by a gunshot

riv6672
Duh, i'm the only one thats responded since you made the statement(s).

As for the rest of your post, eh, whatcha gonna do?
I'm not looking to try and change the pick of Bane, of the guy with Bane in his sig.

But like i said, you've presented no real evidence other than lowballing Ben, intentionally or not, and saying Cheetah's class100, with no real proof.

Respond, or dont, i dont mind either way, right now, from the few responses this thread produced, nothing's making may say Bane wins.

Hell, AE can likely blitz Bane. He moves at 65mph.

Supermutant
Originally posted by riv6672
Duh, i'm the only one thats responded since you made the statement(s).

The point is Duh, your response is irrelevant b/c you continue to focus on current/ modern Thing who was absolutely not a part of my question. Also my question wasn't directed at you and for good reason as you have proven not to possess the knowledge or comprehension for a correct answer.

For instance according to your logic if I am questioning this by stating:

https://i.imgur.com/xeCmPUql.png

That Power-Man stalemating the Thing 80-ish ton leveler may have context. Is by your logic tying to lowball Ben when in fact, duh b/c I know how comics work I am looking for the correct context.

Which is that Ben didn't even have his powers so he definitely wasn't at an 80-ish ton level. He was using a Thing exo-suit designed by Reed.

https://i.imgur.com/cmD6wyQl.jpg

And since you like outdated handbooks so much:

https://i.imgur.com/S7WjdB3h.jpg

lol Spider-Man with the same strength level as the Silver Surfer and Colossus. But according to you we should just accept this b/c it was in a Marvel handbook.

By the way this same young version of Colossus with only puny Parker level strength was able to stalemate Thing in an arm-wrestling contest. Until he got distracted by Kitty. So apparently 80ish tonner Thing becomes much weaker in arm wrestling, or maybe early Thing didn't have 80ish ton level strength until his future upgraded. Plus a lot of things no pun intended are comic issue or arc specific, things that a handbook would not address.

https://i.imgur.com/vaoyhdmh.png

And here is early Thing again struggling with a vaguely defined multi-ton press.
How many tons who knows?

https://i.imgur.com/Z0vUmPCh.jpg

Originally posted by riv6672
But like i said, you've presented no real evidence other than lowballing Ben, intentionally or not, and saying Cheetah's class100, with no real proof.

lol this is rich coming from you. You who basically do the same thing in every thread even your own. You troll your own threads w/out any meaningful proof of anything, then when you get called out on it you either run or start with personal attacks. lol You have not posted anything that shows why Bane would lose.

Originally posted by riv6672
Respond, or dont, i dont mind either way, right now, from the few responses this thread produced, nothing's making may say Bane wins.

lol again the only feat showed for AE is a non combat feat which means really nothing especially since Bane has better off of Venom and pre-52 weaker version at that.

Originally posted by riv6672
Hell, AE can likely blitz Bane. He moves at 65mph.

lol I will be waiting to see these combat speed feats of AE at 65 mph. Let me know if you need help finding them.

riv6672
Like i said, you havent done anything but try and lowball Ben to lowball AE, and start making personal attacks since i've refuted your lowballing and questioned your class100 Cheetah claims.
And thats fine, as personal attacks entertain me.
The best part is, you claim i'm trolling, yet havent been mature enough to not keep engaging me, which is what trolls want.

So, since this thread hasnt drawn anyone but you, i'm going to file the results under a win for AE, as he's likely stronger and he's faster.
Feel free to consider -that- trolling, too.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Supermutant
The point is Duh, your response is irrelevant b/c you continue to focus on current/ modern Thing who was absolutely not a part of my question. Also my question wasn't directed at you and for good reason as you have proven not to possess the knowledge or comprehension for a correct answer.

For instance according to your logic if I am questioning this by stating:

https://i.imgur.com/xeCmPUql.png

That Power-Man stalemating the Thing 80-ish ton leveler may have context. Is by your logic tying to lowball Ben when in fact, duh b/c I know how comics work I am looking for the correct context.

Which is that Ben didn't even have his powers so he definitely wasn't at an 80-ish ton level. He was using a Thing exo-suit designed by Reed.

https://i.imgur.com/cmD6wyQl.jpg

And since you like outdated handbooks so much:

https://i.imgur.com/S7WjdB3h.jpg

lol Spider-Man with the same strength level as the Silver Surfer and Colossus. But according to you we should just accept this b/c it was in a Marvel handbook.

By the way this same young version of Colossus with only puny Parker level strength was able to stalemate Thing in an arm-wrestling contest. Until he got distracted by Kitty. So apparently 80ish tonner Thing becomes much weaker in arm wrestling, or maybe early Thing didn't have 80ish ton level strength until his future upgraded. Plus a lot of things no pun intended are comic issue or arc specific, things that a handbook would not address.

https://i.imgur.com/vaoyhdmh.png

And here is early Thing again struggling with a vaguely defined multi-ton press.
How many tons who knows?

https://i.imgur.com/Z0vUmPCh.jpg



lol this is rich coming from you. You who basically do the same thing in every thread even your own. You troll your own threads w/out any meaningful proof of anything, then when you get called out on it you either run or start with personal attacks. lol You have not posted anything that shows why Bane would lose.



lol again the only feat showed for AE is a non combat feat which means really nothing especially since Bane has better off of Venom and pre-52 weaker version at that.



lol I will be waiting to see these combat speed feats of AE at 65 mph. Let me know if you need help finding them.

u got the scan of eagle beating bullseye? i thought this thread waa about jack flag for some reason

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Supermutant
sigh I said "could have been" not making a definitive statement that's why I asked the question. I also didn't state that Thing was only a class 10 tonner when he arm wrestled AE, only that he started at that level when he first got his powers. I was thinking with the artwork he might have been around 35 or so tons by the AE scan, but like I said nice feat for AE either way.

The Minerva Cheetah definitely has the feats to be cl 100 like stalemating WW in a test of strength but this isn't a Cheetah feats thread, and I don't care enough to post her feats.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111311636/6001451-3311361-1003234225-32625.jpg

riv6672
^^^Oddly (but importantly), thats not the same Cheetah Bane is momentarily holding (before getting help from Ragdoll) in the scan supermutant posted:

https://i.imgur.com/Py5hQ0Ll.jpg

The scan he posted just has Catman saying Cheetah can take a punch from WW. Thst doesn't prove she's class100.
Actually, the WW in your scan likely wasnt class100 either, going by the era. That was Perez WW, during the Byrne Superman era, and she wasnt near as strong as Supes back then.


To re-cap:
Stilt posts a scan of AE stalemating Ben Grimm in arm wrestling. supermutant responds with a badly worded post casting aspersions on Ben's strength level.
I post stats on Ben (and AE).
He comes back a bit irate, still trying to muddy the waters of the Stilt scan feat in regards to Ben's strength.

He's all over the place. He says things like, 'You are the only one who thought I was unclear' when there was literally no one else responding to him. He claims class100 status for one Cheetah based on Bane holding onto another.
He tries to make things personal because i dont take his version of things at face value.
Personally this has been fun af for me, though it -is- nice to have gotten a couple of posts from two of my favorite KMCers, too.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
u got the scan of eagle beating bullseye? i thought this thread waa about jack flag for some reason
Here's the gist of it. Think i'm missing part of the beating:

http://78.media.tumblr.com/00d36f043e25c59892ca303552ede6f9/tumblr_n60wy4WdJ31rvm5qqo2_1280.jpg

http://78.media.tumblr.com/1bcf291d939f845ae0f2750208ae80cf/tumblr_n60wy4WdJ31rvm5qqo3_1280.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a4c_O-XfALo/Vntps5jbBcI/AAAAAAAAnz4/1eakbOvJNMQ/s1600-Ic42/RCO020.jpg

Supermutant
Originally posted by Sin I AM
u got the scan of eagle beating bullseye? i thought this thread waa about jack flag for some reason

Full battle AE vs BE

https://imgur.com/a/yW0x2

I always considered that payback for what the T'bolts especially Bullseye did to Jack Flag. He crippled Jack and AE crippled him.


Originally posted by riv6672

To re-cap:
Stilt posts a scan of AE stalemating Ben Grimm in arm wrestling. supermutant responds with a badly worded post casting aspersions on Ben's strength level.

Again my post was only badly worded to one who lacks basic reading comprehension. I also like how its "casting aspersions" to basically ask for the context of a scan b/c scans especially posted on message boards are never misleading, right.

You thought your answer was cute or smart, when it actually revealed your lack of knowledge and basic understanding of comics. You can take any character that's been around awhile and see significant differences in their power level from when they started to current. Kingpin used to beatdown Daredevil and Spiderman at the same time, since that period either one has thrashed him consistently on their own. When Sabretooth started he didn't even have a healing factor, Iceman could only throw snowballs in the beginning, Sue could only turn invisible. Black Tarantula goes from beating down Spider-man to getting beat by Bullseye in jail.

Like any character lol who's been around gets upgraded or downgraded depending on the period and/or the individual story arc. This isn't some new concept, and I even tried to explain it with pictures for you.

Originally posted by riv6672
I post stats on Ben (and AE).
He comes back a bit irate, still trying to muddy the waters of the Stilt scan feat in regards to Ben's strength.

Another trick you like to use is to claim someone else is getting emotional, when all they are doing like myself is showing how incredibly wrong you are. Asking for the correct context for a scan is like comics 101.

Originally posted by riv6672
He's all over the place. He says things like, 'You are the only one who thought I was unclear' when there was literally no one else responding to him. He claims class100 status for one Cheetah based on Bane holding onto another.
He tries to make things personal because i dont take his version of things at face value.
Personally this has been fun af for me, though it -is- nice to have gotten a couple of posts from two of my favorite KMCers, too.

Duh other people read this thread too. You are the only one who is unclear that asking for the proper context does not equate to trying to lowball. Especially when looking at the early appearances of a character. So the only place I am on is on the side of basic knowledge of how comics work. The fact that cl 100 Minerva Cheetah can trade punches with WW puts her above Thing especially this old version of Thing which is all that really matters. Pre 52 Bane off of venom was able to temporarily restrain someone who is stronger and significantly faster than Thing. Again calling you out on your trolling is just that and nothing more.

And don't think I have forgotten lol

Originally posted by riv6672
Hell, AE can likely blitz Bane. He moves at 65mph.

I'm still waiting on these speed feats that you have boasted about a couple of times in this thread. By the way who has AE beaten that is better than Bane?

Again I'll be eagerly awaiting for your proof.

riv6672
Guess we're in the sama boat.
I'm still waiting on proof of class100 Cheetah.
Other than your opinion.
-My- opinion is a guy who can literally move over a mile a minute (AEs speed is cited in the original handbook, and every stat site i've ever seen him on) enjoys a speed advantage here.

But thats neither here nor there. What matters is, after everything you've said about me (my trickery and trolling), -you're- still here.

Supermutant
Originally posted by riv6672
Guess we're in the sama boat.

That attempting to equate current/modern Thing with Ben from 1981 was foolish on your part. Absolute agreement

Originally posted by riv6672
I'm still waiting on proof of class100 Cheetah. Other than your opinion.

Why? Your thread is about AE vs Bane. You can give Cheetah whatever strength level you want, doesn't change her feats.


Originally posted by riv6672
-My- opinion is a guy who can literally move over a mile a minute (AEs speed is cited in the original handbook, and every stat site i've ever seen him on) enjoys a speed advantage here.

lol I already showed why handbooks are unreliable, plus travel speed doesn't equate to fighting speed. And Cap can do the same thing lol. Doesn't mean guys like Crossbones can't touch him, b/c they certainly have. Cap trades blows with streets and low metas all the time. Heck even Bullseye and Batroc have traded blows with Cap.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/1QapG.jpg

Anyways Bane has metahuman speed even w/o venom. And Batman stated that Bane is faster than him.

http://i.imgur.com/h677Udal.jpg

So in other words you have no proof of AE being faster than Bane in combat which is the only thing that matters. Even if this was a track meet Bane has metahuman speed. People tend to forgot that venom increases his speed, and stamina, as well as his durability and strength.

Originally posted by riv6672
But thats neither here nor there. What matters is, after everything you've said about me (my trickery and trolling), -you're- still here.

Yeah b/c I enjoy laughing at you, especially when you keep digging a bigger whole for yourself. You attempted to make it appear that I was way off based for wanting to know the context of an old scan. When in fact you were way off base for not recognizing a simple comic principal that powers and strength level often varies over time. It has been proven and establish over and over again in comics. Thing in his early appearances and modern Thing do not automatically equate to the same power level. The same can be said for just about every character who has been around for awhile. Its really not a hard concept to understand, your trouble comprehending that is as amusing as it is sad.

krisblaze
Good fight.

Slight edge to Bane.

leonidas
where has AE been appearing of late? is original concept did seem to have him at around a thing-like level. is this ACTUALLY the same AE as appeared way back then? seems he vanished for years. an odd character to take out of mothballs.

-K-M-

-K-M-
Damn edit function. Before that he beat up Cottonmouth and rather than send him to jail, AE forced him to work manual labor on the reservation, starting by burying the dogs he had killed.

StiltmanFTW
I'd force Cottonmouth to eat dog feces...

Sin I AM
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Oddly (but importantly), thats not the same Cheetah Bane is momentarily holding (before getting help from Ragdoll) in the scan supermutant posted:

https://i.imgur.com/Py5hQ0Ll.jpg

The scan he posted just has Catman saying Cheetah can take a punch from WW. Thst doesn't prove she's class100.
Actually, the WW in your scan likely wasnt class100 either, going by the era. That was Perez WW, during the Byrne Superman era, and she wasnt near as strong as Supes back then.


To re-cap:
Stilt posts a scan of AE stalemating Ben Grimm in arm wrestling. supermutant responds with a badly worded post casting aspersions on Ben's strength level.
I post stats on Ben (and AE).
He comes back a bit irate, still trying to muddy the waters of the Stilt scan feat in regards to Ben's strength.

He's all over the place. He says things like, 'You are the only one who thought I was unclear' when there was literally no one else responding to him. He claims class100 status for one Cheetah based on Bane holding onto another.
He tries to make things personal because i dont take his version of things at face value.
Personally this has been fun af for me, though it -is- nice to have gotten a couple of posts from two of my favorite KMCers, too.


Here's the gist of it. Think i'm missing part of the beating:

http://78.media.tumblr.com/00d36f043e25c59892ca303552ede6f9/tumblr_n60wy4WdJ31rvm5qqo2_1280.jpg

http://78.media.tumblr.com/1bcf291d939f845ae0f2750208ae80cf/tumblr_n60wy4WdJ31rvm5qqo3_1280.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-a4c_O-XfALo/Vntps5jbBcI/AAAAAAAAnz4/1eakbOvJNMQ/s1600-Ic42/RCO020.jpg

damn good showing. love to see obscure characters get respect.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Supermutant
Full battle AE vs BE

https://imgur.com/a/yW0x2

I always considered that payback for what the T'bolts especially Bullseye did to Jack Flag. He crippled Jack and AE crippled him.


Much less impressive with the full context provided and non-cropped scans.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Supermutant
Again my post was only badly worded to one who lacks basic reading comprehension. I also like how its "casting aspersions" to basically ask for the context of a scan b/c scans especially posted on message boards are never misleading, right.

You thought your answer was cute or smart, when it actually revealed your lack of knowledge and basic understanding of comics. You can take any character that's been around awhile and see significant differences in their power level from when they started to current. Kingpin used to beatdown Daredevil and Spiderman at the same time, since that period either one has thrashed him consistently on their own. When Sabretooth started he didn't even have a healing factor, Iceman could only throw snowballs in the beginning, Sue could only turn invisible. Black Tarantula goes from beating down Spider-man to getting beat by Bullseye in jail.

Like any character lol who's been around gets upgraded or downgraded depending on the period and/or the individual story arc. This isn't some new concept, and I even tried to explain it with pictures for you.



Another trick you like to use is to claim someone else is getting emotional, when all they are doing like myself is showing how incredibly wrong you are. Asking for the correct context for a scan is like comics 101.



Duh other people read this thread too. You are the only one who is unclear that asking for the proper context does not equate to trying to lowball. Especially when looking at the early appearances of a character. So the only place I am on is on the side of basic knowledge of how comics work. The fact that cl 100 Minerva Cheetah can trade punches with WW puts her above Thing especially this old version of Thing which is all that really matters. Pre 52 Bane off of venom was able to temporarily restrain someone who is stronger and significantly faster than Thing. Again calling you out on your trolling is just that and nothing more.

And don't think I have forgotten lol



I'm still waiting on these speed feats that you have boasted about a couple of times in this thread. By the way who has AE beaten that is better than Bane?

Again I'll be eagerly awaiting for your proof.

Thing is, Modern AE was still strong af, as seen when he manhandled Gargan... and yeah, Gargan was a loser, but he was physically strong, as shown vs. Colossus.

So AE apparently remained at his classic strength level, for all we know. Just my two cents...

riv6672
Originally posted by Sin I AM
damn good showing. love to see obscure characters get respect.
Glad you liked it. thumb up

leonidas
so it IS for sure the same character then? if so, it would seem he should be stronger than bane. speed and skill would be reasonably close. bane has some pretty good damage soak, not sure about ae. need more feats for him.

StiltmanFTW
Afaik, yeah. Other AEs were either from WWII or different universe.

A recent bio would be nice, will look for it later.

riv6672
^^^That would be nice. Cool.

StiltmanFTW
Here it is:

https://tinyurl.com/yaq6ob9y

Source: The Heroic Age: Super Heroes.

Do notice that his adventure with the Thing is mentioned here.

StiltmanFTW
As for the OTHER AE, he had no interactions with Ben Grimm:

http://www.comicbookdb.com/character.php?ID=26820

You can lick my feet now, leo. I'm waiting.

Vanguard
Aaaaaaaaahhh!!! laughing Look at Bullseye getting his ass kicked. He got down right embarrassed. And he's supposed to be so skilled.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
Aaaaaaaaahhh!!! laughing Look at Bullseye getting his ass kicked. He got down right embarrassed. And he's supposed to be so skilled.

He was about to strike back, but his nanochain got activated.

Vanguard
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was about to strike back, but his nanochain got activated.

Fair enough. I have no sympathy for him though.

leonidas
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
As for the OTHER AE, he had no interactions with Ben Grimm:

http://www.comicbookdb.com/character.php?ID=26820

You can lick my feet now, leo. I'm waiting.

lol for proving who american eagle is?? you should be begging me to forget this conversation ever happened. thumb up

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Here it is:

https://tinyurl.com/yaq6ob9y

Source: The Heroic Age: Super Heroes.

Do notice that his adventure with the Thing is mentioned here.

thats pretty good

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Vanguard
Fair enough. I have no sympathy for him though.

He sure had it coming.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol for proving who american eagle is?? you should be begging me to forget this conversation ever happened. thumb up

Seems like you didn't get choked enough in the other thread...

https://78.media.tumblr.com/f38a0c4b3b73c858273d33da651685e3/tumblr_nl167ms0hY1tiwa1fo2_500.gif

... or maybe you secretly relish in it evil face

riv6672
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Here it is:

https://tinyurl.com/yaq6ob9y

Source: The Heroic Age: Super Heroes.

Do notice that his adventure with the Thing is mentioned here.
thumb up

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