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Star Wars has a weird premise about philosophical topics that revolve around stuff like free will and determinism. The future is apparently always in motion, but fate is still a thing. This is seen most clearly with prophecies.

Firstly, what are the best examples of prophecies in the lore? The one with the Skywalkers is by far the most famous, but there are other instances of prophecies in Legends.

More importantly, I am interested in discussing how unique Anakin's prophecy is compared to similar cases like HoT being destined to kill Vitiate.

Is there anything beyond thematic importance that makes Anakin's prophecy more important/impressive? Obviously, this is also a comparison between Vitiate - Sidious and how great their destined dooms were. HoT has been used to undermine the Skywalker prophecy more than a few times. So, I wanna find out if there is any merit to it. One similarity I find interesting in both cases is that both Palp and Vitty acted more stupidly than they normally do (especially Palp). Vitiate is generally a bad combatant, but walking right into a lightsaber is pretty terrible even for him. Could the prophecies/will of the force be tackling the villains when the hero is near realizing their fate in these prophesied cases?

Unless I'm missing something, HoT's prophecy is impressive mainly due to these facts:

- Scourge saw him slaying Vitiate in his visions 300 years before HoT was even born.
- His vision is so clear that he dismisses everything else he sees and is confident enough to immediately abandon his team despite what's at stake.
- Vitiate acknowledges it when he says he sees futures in HoT that he will not allow.
- HoT ends up being the one who stops and kills Vitiate (more than once if you take Hotlander seriously).

Time loops.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Time loops.
do they exist?

Time travel exists in Star Wars. And you still ask?

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Time travel exists in Star Wars. And you still ask?
where does time travel happen in sw

My view is that the although the future seems like its "always in motion" to Jedi who cannot see clearly, there is one true future that will 100% come to pass. The Force exists outside of time and thus it already knows the path history takes since it has already technically happened.

And there doesn't seem to be anything different between Scourges vision and the Chosen One prophecy other than that the Jedi knew about the latter and thus mythologised it far more, plus the rebalancing of the Force adds more cosmic significance. Also my view is firmly that it isn't until KotET than the HoT prophecy is truly fulfilled, since Scourges vision ends with the Hero taking Vitiates crown and putting it on, which is only fulfilled by the HoTlander taking the Eternal Throne from Valkorion.

Originally posted by MoT-MoT
where does time travel happen in sw

Jacen/Caedus does it a few times.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also my view is firmly that it isn't until KotET than the HoT prophecy is truly fulfilled, since Scourges vision ends with the Hero taking Vitiates crown and putting it on, which is only fulfilled by the HoTlander taking the Eternal Throne from Valkorion. Interesting. This is further support for Hotlander being the true story.

The future is always in motion means you can change the future and need to take responsibility for your actions. As opposed, you know, just blaming the Force for your life being awful.

Scourge wasn't even talking about the Eternal Fleet, and in his reintroduction he says the Knight, the only person who can recruit him, did more than he expected. He was just talking about defeating Vitiate at the end of Chapter 3. The rest is window dressing for a character that can be any of the 8 classes.

Originally posted by MoT-MoT
where does time travel happen in sw

Darth Rivan uses the Darkstaff and creates a Palpatine storm that sends him back to Bane's times and he meets his end there.

Anakin's prophecy is clearly more significant in that the Force directly spawned him via virgin birth to take care of history's biggest bad guy, and to be the most powerful Force user ever. All the Hero of Tython prophecy amounts to is one guy foreseeing that he would kill the Shit Emperor. There's absolutely no comparison.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The future is always in motion means you can change the future and need to take responsibility for your actions. As opposed, you know, just blaming the Force for your life being awful.

Scourge wasn't even talking about the Eternal Fleet, and in his reintroduction he says the Knight, the only person who can recruit him, did more than he expected. He was just talking about defeating Vitiate at the end of Chapter 3. The rest is window dressing for a character that can be any of the 8 classes.

You are right. The Father mentions that to Anakin(to watch his heart)

So Ani's destiny to destroy the Sith by becoming one wasn't part of his destiny. He made it that way.

Originally posted by Azronger
Anakin's prophecy is clearly more significant in that the Force directly spawned him via virgin birth to take care of history's biggest bad guy, and to be the most powerful Force user ever. All the Hero of Tython prophecy amounts to is one guy foreseeing that he would kill the Shit Emperor. There's absolutely no comparison.

Son, one does not become the Chosen One without Lucas' consensus and the Plot Force. And stop hailing Palps in every text of yours(and his master) It makes you look like a fanboy.

Originally posted by Azronger
Anakin's prophecy is clearly more significant in that the Force directly spawned him via virgin birth to take care of history's biggest bad guy, and to be the most powerful Force user ever. All the Hero of Tython prophecy amounts to is one guy foreseeing that he would kill the Shit Emperor. There's absolutely no comparison.
Nah, it's comparable because Revan said something stupid before being beaten easily. Obviously.

Force visions are like little tears into the fabric of time.

Originally posted by Azronger
Anakin's prophecy is clearly more significant in that the Force directly spawned him via virgin birth to take care of history's biggest bad guy, and to be the most powerful Force user ever. All the Hero of Tython prophecy amounts to is one guy foreseeing that he would kill the Shit Emperor. There's absolutely no comparison. Interesting. I guess the fact that the Skywalker prophecy involves something as drastic as the Force needing agency to stop the Emperor puts it on another level.

-_-

Don't you know why is that? Cuz' Anakin is the main character of the franchise. So, Lucas' characters always get the best praise.

Sound mad.

Are there out of universe sources about the HoT prophecy? Otherwise it could just be Scourge misinterpreting the Chosen One prophecy.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
-_-

Don't you know why is that? Cuz' Anakin is the main character of the franchise. So, Lucas' characters always get the best praise.

Exactly. Because they're the important ones.

The Jedi like to pretend that the Future is "always in motion" but the hard reality is, that Star Wars operates on pre-destination and POV subtleties

Nah. Father already showed it doesn't.

The main prophecy is of course that of the Chosen One as written by Master Fae Coven. But the same prophecy, or really different versions of the prophecy exist in the tale of the "Ghost Hand" on Nelvaan, with the Heinsnake Cult, and a few others.

I guess you could consider the Tho Yor arrival a prophecy, and a few other religious ones. I don't think there are that many prophecies about people who aren't Anakin, but then I don't really care about those prophecies, so it is what it is.

There's the prophecy of the Sith'ari, which we know Sidious fulfilled.

Anyways, @OP:

I'd say the easiest way to describe it is that if the universe is a river, then the will of the force is the current. Sailing on that river, you can make all sorts of twists and turns along the way, but no matter what the current will pull you towards the same destination. That isn't to say that everything is set in stone from the outset, but rather that certain things won't change in the long run.

If Anakin had never been found on Tatooine, and spent the rest of his days as a slave mechanic, that just means that Palpatine would have died in a freak podracer accident during his vacation to Mos Eisley.

i am the chosen one of the star wars forums, destined to bring balance to these boards

not sure who the sith'ari is

Originally posted by Azronger
There's the prophecy of the Sith'ari, which we know Sidious fulfilled. He was meant to become a professional speedbike-racer as his childhood reflected. He and Anakin would then face off in the pod-race of the century.

I thought Bane was confirmed to be the Sith'ari in a sourcebook.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Anyways, @OP:
If Anakin had never been found on Tatooine, and spent the rest of his days as a slave mechanic, that just means that Palpatine would have died in a freak podracer accident during his vacation to Mos Eisley.

Anakin WAS the Chosen One, though. The Force is a "paradox" in the sense that it has a will which WILL come to pass, but the Force needs some sort of connection between the physical realm and the realm of life to cause that to happen. More often than not, these are sentient beings, like Anakin Skywalker.

As for the Sith'ari prophecy, it's not really, real. It's just a vague legend, which fits the stories of many sith, examples being Bane, Sidious, and Adas. It's possible that one of these guys were the actual sithari, but I'm willing to say that it's just some story someone made up.

Yoda thought Anakin was the Sith'ari in ROTS. lol