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Is Goku's new transformation enough?

How does Goku avoid a universal reality warp?

Goku stomps.

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Originally posted by carver9
Goku stomps.


5 pages incoming lets get it



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Originally posted by TheBadguy
5 pages incoming lets get it



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Perfect gifing mate.

goku makes thanos his *****,then tosses purple salad

Seriously.

Thanos kills Goku without trying...

Goku dodges reality warp.biscuits

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Seriously.

Thanos kills Goku without trying...

How. Goku blitz over and take the IG before Thanos knew what was going on.

Originally posted by carver9
How. Goku blitz over and take the IG before Thanos knew what was going on.

How Goku will take off the IG when Thanos as Cosmic Awareness and that speed is irrelevant because he manipulates reality, space & time ?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Seriously.

Thanos kills Goku without trying...

Originally posted by RealityWarper
How Goku will take off the IG when Thanos as Cosmic Awareness and that speed is irrelevant because he manipulates reality, space & time ?

Bell rings, blitz over snatch the glove before Thanos even use awareness, fight is over.

Yes, carver... Goku is going to 'blitz' a fully omniscient being, whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time itself.

Jesus christ. facepalm

Thanos stomps.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, carver... Goku is going to 'blitz' a fully omniscient being, whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time itself.

Jesus christ. facepalm

Lol

Originally posted by carver9
Bell rings, blitz over snatch the glove before Thanos even use awareness, fight is over.

My friend.

You would have done the same sentence if I've said that Thanos was using apples.

Carver likes to troll sometimes just like cdtm.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, carver... Goku is going to 'blitz' a fully omniscient being, whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time itself.

Jesus christ. facepalm

Do we have reaction speed for Thanos? From what I know of him(the silver surfer almost snagging the IG from him at around LS, regardless of sensory input or not), I could definitely see the Flash taking it from Thanos, if we're using Wally West.

If that's the case, then I could definitely see Goku doing it. /shrug

Originally posted by Inedian
Carver likes to troll sometimes just like cdtm.

Yes. That would explain a lot.

He can't actually believe Goku beats Superman.

Originally posted by Inedian
Carver likes to troll sometimes just like cdtm.

Cdtm trolls far more in relation to DBS, 99% of the time.

Anywhere where else he's a good poster.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Do we have reaction speed for Thanos? From what I know of him(the silver surfer almost snagging the IG from him at around LS, regardless of sensory input or not), I could definitely see the Flash taking it from Thanos, if we're using Wally West.

If that's the case, then I could definitely see Goku doing it. /shrug

Iirc. Thanos "turned off" all but one of the infinity gems in that instance. Mephisto convinced him to do so to impress Death, by beating all the hero's without being all powerful. I'm not sure what gem he was using though. Might have been the power gem.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Do we have reaction speed for Thanos? From what I know of him(the silver surfer almost snagging the IG from him at around LS, regardless of sensory input or not), I could definitely see the Flash taking it from Thanos, if we're using Wally West.

If that's the case, then I could definitely see Goku doing it. /shrug What do you mean "regardless of sensory input"..? That is *the* most important bit of context about that showing.

Thanos had purposefully turned off ALL sensory input from the gems, which essentially turned off his omniscience so that he did not know his opponents' next moves. Despite this, he was STILL able to out-react Surfer, despite him traveling massively FTL at the time.

His sensory input would be very much 'on' here, however.

Originally posted by Galan007
What do you mean "regardless of sensory input"..? That is *the* most important bit of context about that showing.

Thanos had purposefully turned off ALL sensory input from the gems, which essentially turned off his omniscience so that he did not know his opponents' next moves. Despite this, he was STILL able to out-react Surfer, despite him traveling massively FTL at the time.

His sensory input would be very much 'on' here, however.

I stand corrected.

No you were right, he was using the power gem. Galan is just saying he turned off his omniscience.

Originally posted by Damborgson
No you were right, he was using the power gem. Galan is just saying he turned off his omniscience.

I finally got something right, on these boards. Been awhile.

Originally posted by Damborgson
No you were right, he was using the power gem. Galan is just saying he turned off his omniscience.

Thanos still wielded the IG's unlimited power -- he just didn't know his opponents' next moves, because he turned off ALL sensory input/omniscience.

Despite this, Thanos STILL managed to dodge a sneak-attack-blitz from Surfer, who was traveling massively FTL(he covered over a light year in the space of a few panels, ffs.)

Nothing MUI can't handle ^

Originally posted by Galan007


Thanos still wielded the IG's unlimited power -- he just didn't know his opponents' next moves, because he turned off ALL sensory input/omniscience.

Despite this, Thanos STILL managed to dodge a sneak-attack-blitz from Surfer, who was traveling massively FTL(he covered over a light year in the space of a few panels, ffs.)

True GALAN !

Originally posted by Galan007
What do you mean "regardless of sensory input"..? That is *the* most important bit of context about that showing.

Thanos had purposefully turned off ALL sensory input from the gems, which essentially turned off his omniscience so that he did not know his opponents' next moves. Despite this, he was STILL able to out-react Surfer, despite him traveling massively FTL at the time.

His sensory input would be very much 'on' here, however.

My point is that Thanos barely reacted to Surfer in time, and Surfer doesn't move nearly as fast as all the relevant DBS characters.

My point is that the sensory input from the gems gives him omniscience, so normally he would know what is going to happen before it does. This is correct. What I fail to see here, is how that will help him here. If Goku is capable of moving so much faster than him, fast enough to outspeed time-stop, then I don't see how Thanos can stop him from snagging the gauntlet before he gets a chance to use it.

Thanos could easily destroy him with the gauntlet, but he would have to be able to use it. I'm arguing that Goku will be fast enough here to do that before Thanos is able to stop him. Gems be dammed, Thanos still has to think to use them, meaning he has synapses firing at a finite speed, even if that was fast enough to barely react to Surfer. Thanos wasn't using the gems input, meaning his own reaction speed was good enough to react to that sneak attack by Surfer.

From what I've seen though, Thanos even with the IG fully active has never dealt with someone that could potentially outright blitz him like Goku can. He just fought a bunch of people that he easily overpowered. I haven't seen a single argument/showing yet that could convince me that, in this setting, someone like Goku, the Flash, SA Supe's with acceleration, etc. couldn't snag the gauntlet off of Thanos if they came in knowing that they needed to, while using full speed.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
My point is that Thanos barely reacted to Surfer in time, and Surfer doesn't move nearly as fast as all the relevant DBS characters. You're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.

Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.

*Mephisto scans*

The only reason they got the gauntlet away from Nebula who was basically completely retarded, was because Warlock was sabotaging it from the inside. It's a glove yes, but it's not something you can just yoink off the hand without some serious shit happening.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.

Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.



Again, IG Thanos oneshots DBS.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.

Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.

Wrong, you're simply misconstruing what happened in that scene.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111219076/5089917-7397264710-infin.jpg

1. Silver Surfer was not "blitzing" Thanos.

2. Thanos did not react to the Silver Surfer's movement, even though he still had control over time. His mastery over time is one of the most underexplored aspects of the IG, outside of time travel showings. Regardless, the point is that time control =/= infinite reaction time or speed. That would be like saying that Galactus also has infinite reaction speed, because he can manipulate/control time.

3. Silver Surfer HIMSELF was unable to grab the gauntlet simply because he couldn't perceive what was happening accurately enough to snag it while moving at such a high speed. He was also going so fast that Thanos didn't even notice him approaching until he had passed by, meaning that if someone was capable of moving at that speed(FTL, capable of passing a few lightyears in the span of a couple seconds during a fight between Captain America and IG Thanos), but also doing so accurately enough to snag the gauntlet, then they could easily snag the gauntlet in a similar scenario.

4. What I don't think you're understanding is the fact that Thanos doesn't have infinite reaction speed, and he can't do anything before the fight starts.

Based on showings, the INSTANT this fight starts, Goku will have the gauntlet in his hand before Thanos even knows wtf happened.

MUI Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silver Surfer, in terms of speed and power. And Silver Surfer was able to move faster than Thanos could react to, even with "mastery over time".

Thanos himself remarked, when he was imbued with the HOTU, that the IG was only an external control over the universe, meaning that he was still unable to exert absolute control over the universe. Since his control is clearly limited, and the limit of his time control is lower than that of Silver Surfer's speed, he has no defense against someone who can literally move faster than time as accurately as Goku can.

Sure, Thanos has omniscience. But in a forum scenario, he is going to be a few meters away from Goku, and nothing will happen until AFTER the fight begins. MUI Goku is more than fast enough to snag the gauntlet before it even registers to Thanos that the fight has begun. MUI Goku is able to move infinitely faster than SS, even in short range. Goku won't have to fly light years away and build up speed, and then still be unable to react to his own speed and fail to snag the gauntlet.

In the instant that the fight starts, MUI Goku moving at full speed will have grabbed the gauntlet before Thanos can react, and before his omniscience, time control, etc, even come into play.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're not grasping the concept that his omniscience was TURNED OFF, yet he STILL managed to out-react a massively FTL blitz. Had his omniscience been active, Surfer's blitz would have been countered before it even happened, because Thanos would have already known every single move he was going to make.

Exact same logic applies here. You're acting like Goku will be able to 'get the jump' on a fully omniscient being whom also possesses absolute mastery over the very flow of time/space itself... The dick-riding is unreal.

SSJGOGETA didn't read the comics anyway...

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
2. Thanos did not react to the Silver Surfer's movement, even though he still had control over time. His mastery over time is one of the most underexplored aspects of the IG, outside of time travel showings. Regardless, the point is that time control =/= infinite reaction time or speed.
Because Thanos had intentionally limited his power in that scene, if you look at the full page we can see Thanos restoring his power in the bottom right panel.

https://i.imgur.com/9iSyrJYm.jpg

In fact when he depowered himself he strictly imposed extrasensory limitations.

https://i.imgur.com/P9IbOsp.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
Because Thanos had intentionally limited his power in that scene, if you look at the full page we can see Thanos restoring his power in the bottom right panel.

https://i.imgur.com/9iSyrJYm.jpg

In fact when he depowered himself he strictly imposed extrasensory limitations.

https://i.imgur.com/P9IbOsp.jpg

Good post. I was close to upload the scans but you perfectly did the job.

Infinity Gauntlet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeno.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
SSJGOGETA didn't read the comics anyway... Yeah, that was made abundantly clear by his above post, which I'm not even going to waste my time dismantling. He's nonsensically grasping at straws here.

WTF does "move faster than time" even mean anyway?

Maybe he thinks that because Goku figured out how to counter Hit's time-skip, that he is now "faster than time" across the board.

He's probably one of the people who believes that Jiren has blanket immunity to ALL temporal attacks, just because he broke free of Hit's time cage, lol.


As I mentioned above, he's throwing around this hysterically nonsensical non-logic like it's supposed to mean something here. I just can't...

Originally posted by Galan007
Maybe he thinks that because Goku figured out how to counter Hit's time-skip, that he is now "faster than time" across the board.

He's probably one of the people who believes that Jiren has blanket immunity to ALL temporal attacks, just because he broke free of Hit's time cage, lol.


As I mentioned above, he's throwing around this hysterically nonsensical non-logic like it's supposed to mean something here. I just can't...

Hit's time-skip has a built-in weakness in the fact that more powerful his opponent is, the shorter his time-skip becomes...

That's a weakness of Hit's power, not an advantage of Jiren against Time-based powers.

I agree with you Galan007.

Precisely right.

But stupid as it seems, those are fairly common tropes I've seen from some of the more avid Goku/Jiren dick-riders supporters. It is a horribly flawed 'logic' in every sense of the word, but some have a very difficult time seeing past their own bias in cases like this. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Precisely right.

But stupid as it seems, those are fairly common tropes I've seen from some of the more avid Goku/Jiren dick-riders supporters. It is a horribly flawed 'logic' in every sense of the word, but some have a very difficult time seeing past their own bias in cases like this. /shrug

I don't get how it's hard to understand how those powers works.

IIRC Whis' explanations gave no room to interpretation.

DB characters bypass hax abilities by being "More powerful"

It would be similar to the IG going against the HOTU. HOTU can overpower the IG even though the users for both have full control of reality.

So basically one would need to argue MUI Goku having more raw power than the IG in order for Goku to actually win this.

Originally posted by bbrem123
DB characters bypass hax abilities by being "More powerful"

It would be similar to the IG going against the HOTU. HOTU can overpower the IG even though the users for both have full control of reality.

So basically one would need to argue MUI Goku having more raw power than the IG in order for Goku to actually win this.

Yep but it doesn't make sense because Goku's own abilities doesn't affect the different aspects of reality like the IG does.

Goku's supporters in this, pretend that Goku's raw power can overcome reality warping via raw power which doesn't make sense for the following reasons:

1) The IG's abilities aren't countered via raw power itself.

2) Only similar abilities of reality warping, like the Beyonders powers which was both a superior raw power and the power to manipulate the reality was able to overcome the IG.

3) Goku's power is inferior to the IG itself, that thing can warp an entire reality without effort and is said to be limitless, Goku isn't.

4) Goku has no reality warping abilities.

^ There's also the fact that not even LT, acting in his full capacity as TOAA's representative, knew if he was powerful enough to take the IG from Warlock by force... Which tells us that IF LT is more powerful than the IG, the difference is marginal AT BEST.

IOW, you literally need someone =/> LT himself to even have a shot at legitimately defeating the IG. Beings that powerful are few and far between, and Goku is certainly not one of them.

How does Goku even fight Thanos? Thanos, if not deliberately weakening himself so he can fight h2h with Captain America, is basically an omnipresent abstract entity at this point. Goku might as well try destroying the color orange. Is Goku going to just erase all of reality? Character opinions that Z fighters can "shake the universe" =/= being able to destroy an infinite multiverse, lol.

Like, the ways Thanos could win this fight are literally infinite. Example: he could create a phantom Frieza and have Goku waste all of his energy trying to fight him.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ There's also the fact that not even LT, acting in his full capacity as TOAA's representative, knew if he was powerful enough to take the IG from Warlock by force... Which tells us that IF LT is more powerful than the IG, the difference is marginal AT BEST.

IOW, you literally need someone =/> LT himself to even have a shot at legitimately defeating the IG. Beings that powerful are few and far between, and Goku is certainly not one of them.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
How does Goku even fight Thanos? Thanos, if not deliberately weakening himself so he can fight h2h with Captain America, is basically an omnipresent abstract entity at this point. Goku might as well try destroying the color orange. Is Goku going to just erase all of reality? Character opinions that Z fighters can "shake the universe" =/= being able to destroy an infinite multiverse, lol.

Like, the ways Thanos could win this fight are literally infinite. Example: he could create a phantom Frieza and have Goku waste all of his energy trying to fight him.

Originally posted by Astner
Because Thanos had intentionally limited his power in that scene, if you look at the full page we can see Thanos restoring his power in the bottom right panel.

https://i.imgur.com/9iSyrJYm.jpg

In fact when he depowered himself he strictly imposed extrasensory limitations.

https://i.imgur.com/P9IbOsp.jpg

I don't think you're understanding what I mean here. My point is that Thanos wouldn't be able to stop Goku because Goku could blitz him before he could do anything.

Just like I believe many speedsters would snag it from him. Sensory input be dammed, Thanos can't do anything in a forum setting where he is rendered null until the fight starts, if his opponent is fast enough to stop him from using his powers.

What good will it do him to know that Goku will take the glove, if he can't do anything until the fight starts, meaning that Goku, or any high-tier speedster by that measure(like Flash, or even Silver Surfer if he was able to react to his own speed), could snag it off him before he can react?

The assertion that Galan is making here is that Thanos has infinite reaction speed with the IG, which is simply untrue and baseless.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ There's also the fact that not even LT, acting in his full capacity as TOAA's representative, knew if he was powerful enough to take the IG from Warlock by force... Which tells us that IF LT is more powerful than the IG, the difference is marginal AT BEST.

IOW, you literally need someone =/> LT himself to even have a shot at legitimately defeating the IG. Beings that powerful are few and far between, and Goku is certainly not one of them.

Did I assert, even once, that MUI Goku is going to overpower the gauntlet here? No, so stop talking out of your ass. If you're not even going to take the time to read what I'm saying here, then stop replying. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Maybe he thinks that because Goku figured out how to counter Hit's time-skip, that he is now "faster than time" across the board.

He's probably one of the people who believes that Jiren has blanket immunity to ALL temporal attacks, just because he broke free of Hit's time cage, lol.


As I mentioned above, he's throwing around this hysterically nonsensical non-logic like it's supposed to mean something here. I just can't...

Goku in a weaker form managed to blitz Hit even THROUGH time stop. Not counter it, he simply outsped it. In terms of combat, Goku when going all out has shown capable of moving at nearly limitless speeds. Never said that makes him "faster than time across the board". One clearly doesn't need to be faster than time to blitz IG Thanos anyways. Sensory input be dammed, if Thanos had the infinite reaction speed you're claiming, he would have never been in danger of SS snagging the IG in the first place, even IF he didn't know that he would try to. Imagine if you give Krillin omniscience, and he knows what Jiren will do in a fight against him. Omniscience be dammed, Krillin won't land a single hit, because Jiren can STILL react to everything he does with eons(from his perspective) of time to spare. The same principal applies here.

I never said that either. It's clear that Jiren, along with most characters in DBZ because of the nature of the way their powers operate, has a resistance to temporal manipulation, but it's not very impressive compared to someone like Thanos.

That's not what I said, however. Instead of putting words in my mouth, how about you read what I posted, and then reply, instead of pseudo-replying to what you think will be an easier argument to shrug off?

You still haven't answered my question- What feats does Thanos have of reacting to someone moving at the kind of speeds MUI Goku can? The feat of SS almost snagging the gauntlet shows that someone moving FTL(not MFTL+++, lmao), is more than capable of doing so if they can react to things at that speed as well.

Since MFTL speeds are above Thanos with the IG, what would stop a character like Wally West from grabbing it off of him before he can use it? Nothing.

I'm simply making that same argument for Goku.

1. What speedsters can do to a depowered Thanos is irrelevant because he's not depowered here.

2. There is no comparison between Hit's time manipulation and the Infinity Gauntlet's absolute mastery of space, time, and reality to an extent greater than the literal conscious embodiment of space and time.

3. While Goku and move and react pretty quickly, Thanos can move and react infinitely quickly, given that he's everywhere at once and can amp himself to infinite levels of speed and power, or otherwise just not be physically present to Goku in the first place.

4. Thanos could just clone Goku and have him train for an arbitrary amount of time in a pocket timeline before coming to oneshot the Goku he's fighting, make Goku fight phantom versions of Frieza until he runs out of energy, or do any number of possible ways to f*ck with him given that Goku has been outwitted and impacted by such situations before and Thanos with the IG is essentially infinitely intelligent.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. What speedsters can do to a depowered Thanos is irrelevant because he's not depowered here.

2. There is no comparison between Hit's time manipulation and the Infinity Gauntlet's absolute mastery of space, time, and reality to an extent greater than the literal conscious embodiment of space and time.

3. While Goku and move and react pretty quickly, Thanos can move and react infinitely quickly, given that he's everywhere at once and can amp himself to infinite levels of speed and power, or otherwise just not be physically present to Goku in the first place.

4. Thanos could just clone Goku and have him train for an arbitrary amount of time in a pocket timeline before coming to oneshot the Goku he's fighting, make Goku fight phantom versions of Frieza until he runs out of energy, or do any number of possible ways to f*ck with him given that Goku has been outwitted and impacted by such situations before and Thanos with the IG is essentially infinitely intelligent.

Even though I have you on ignore, I felt an inclination to pick apart this idiotic little post you've come up with.

1. Thanos wasn't depowered in the SS showing either- he just didn't have sensory input, IOW's.

2. Never said there was.

3. No he can't, lmao. Without literal omniscience, Thanos couldn't even react to SS flying to try and snag the IG from him. With omniscience, things play differently in comics. In a forum fight, where the first planck instant that passes decides the entire fight, omniscience will literally do nothing for him.

4. Sure, to a version of Goku that couldn't blitz him. Which this one can. Making everything you just said irrelevant.

Now I'll ask you the same question I asked Galan- show a scan of Thanos wielding the IG which demonstrates combat speed better than MFTL and moving through stopped time(instantaneous travel, or close to it). If you can't then he demonstrably has no defense against an outright blitz from speedsters like Wally West, SA Supe's, UI Goku, etc. SA Supe's could only do it after accelerating, but he could still do it(flew faster than infinity, whatever that means).

KK SSJB Goku outpaced time itself, IOW's, according to angels and other beings we look to for definition of source material in DB. While still not nearly as impressive as Wally's feat, it is in the same ballpark considering they both outpaced time itself.

Post a single instance of IG Thanos coping with a scenario like this, and I'll concede. He admitted on panel that he would have lost everything, had SS succeeded in snagging the gauntlet, instead of not being able to perceive what was happening while moving at his own full speed. Meaning that if someone could move accurately at that speed, Thanos would have the gauntlet snatched off of his hand. Before you type out, "Oh well he didn't have his sensory input, he does here.", understand that this does absolutely nothing for him in this forum scenario, where Goku would be close enough to take advantage of his superior combat speed and snag the gauntlet before Thanos could even react.

The infinity gauntlet gives Thanos nigh-unlimited control over and perspective on time and space.

It isn't just a glove that lets him blow up universes and know everything, it elevates him to a level transcending the anthropomorphic personifications of the universe/multiverse. You seem to think that Goku can just take the gauntlet from Thanos before he can process a thought, but the gems allow Thanos' thoughts to transcend time, space, reality, thought, and the soul. He can observe time and space as an outsider, and influence it thus.

Goku's speed is frankly irrelevant. Speed is just distance, or space, divided by time. Thanos has total perception and control over both of those domains.

You could make it DBS vs. Thanos and Thanos would still win. It wouldn't even be close.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The infinity gauntlet gives Thanos nigh-unlimited control over and perspective on time and space.

It isn't just a glove that lets him blow up universes and know everything, it elevates him to a level transcending the anthropomorphic personifications of the universe/multiverse. You seem to think that Goku can just take the gauntlet from Thanos before he can process a thought, but the gems allow Thanos' thoughts to transcend time, space, reality, thought, and the soul. He can observe time and space as an outsider, and influence it thus.

Goku's speed is frankly irrelevant. Speed is just distance, or space, divided by time. Thanos has total perception and control over both of those domains.

You could make it DBS vs. Thanos and Thanos would still win. It wouldn't even be close.

That's the best post you have made, honestly.

I fully agree with it.

@NemBro

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta 1. Thanos wasn't depowered in the SS showing either- he just didn't have sensory input, IOW's.


lolwut

"he wasn't depowered, except that he was"

Originally posted by NemeBro
The infinity gauntlet gives Thanos nigh-unlimited control over and perspective on time and space.

It isn't just a glove that lets him blow up universes and know everything, it elevates him to a level transcending the anthropomorphic personifications of the universe/multiverse. You seem to think that Goku can just take the gauntlet from Thanos before he can process a thought, but the gems allow Thanos' thoughts to transcend time, space, reality, thought, and the soul. He can observe time and space as an outsider, and influence it thus.

Goku's speed is frankly irrelevant. Speed is just distance, or space, divided by time. Thanos has total perception and control over both of those domains.

You could make it DBS vs. Thanos and Thanos would still win. It wouldn't even be close.

Already acknowledged this. The fact remains that he has limits, and without the gems sensory input, he was blitzed by Silver Surfer. The ENTIRE point of my post is that said sensory input will not matter in this forum setting where they begin the fight and Goku could potentially just snag it while moving at 100% from the get-go

If Goku can outpace someone while time around him was locally stopped, then I'm fairly certain he can blitz someone who could have been defeated by a blitz from Silver Surfer.

If not, show me a scan of something happening akin to this scenario. I can show plenty of scans of IG users being blitzed or defeated by exploitation of gaps in the gauntlets powers.

Am I saying Goku could overpower IG Thanos? No. Am I saying he could resist the IG or its power? No. I'm simply stating that here, in a forum setting where the two start off close to each other and can't do anything until the fight starts, Goku could potentially win in this kind of a quickdraw scenario. Same way I would argue that Wally West could snag the gauntlet in this scenario, before Thanos could even do a single thing.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S7wgqS4IZfk/VoTjxEpJ0II/AAAAAAAAXUY/H3FfF6iOgnc/s1600-Ic42/RCO027.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fFfLSFolnk0/VoTjxI7IBxI/AAAAAAAAXUY/dQDTxlLihZc/s1600-Ic42/RCO028.jpg
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Originally posted by One Big Mob
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Thanos tricked Mephisto with one of the countless ways he could have done so. That entire exchange could have been an illusion.

Otherwise, Thanos wouldn't have acknowledged that SS would have defeated him by snagging the gauntlet off of him. Very simple explanation to that scene, that you're somehow missing. Thanos even openly admits that he tricked Mephisto into thinking he was vulnerable. Mephisto even stated that the assault was metaphysical, meaning the entire thing was probably an illusion, lmao.

If someone takes the gauntlet from him, Thanos loses its powers. It's very simple. In a forum setting like this, it won't be hard for many speedsters or characters with extremely accurate MFTL movement to take the gauntlet and render Thanos back to normal.

SSJGGogeta clogging up another thread with his bullshit.

Thanos wins. anyone with a brain knows this.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The ENTIRE point of my post is that said sensory input will not matter in this forum setting where they begin the fight and Goku could potentially just snag it while moving at 100% from the get-go

Say we assume Goku will magically know to snatch Thanos's gauntlet and immediately speed blitz him, even though he's never done this before.

Thanos says he turned off the sensory input from "time, space, reality, thought and the soul" and only retained his raw power. This would obviously impede his reflexes/reaction time in addition to his prescience.

Do you seriously think Goku has faster reaction speeds than someone who has absolute power over thoughts and the mind?

Do you seriously think Goku has faster reflexes than someone who is infinitely physically powerful/fast/etc.? (he obviously wasn't using the power gem to its max potential in that scan or he would've killed Captain America with a pinky jab)

Do you seriously think Goku can move faster than someone who has absolute mastery over time and space, e.g. the dimensions through which Goku has to move?

Likewise, the fact that trying to take out Thanos with time travel failed because it was like "trying to drown the ocean" demonstrates that his defenses actively exist and he doesn't have to "bring them up" for Goku to preempt.

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Also, in that scan Silver Surfer clearly attacks Thanos when he isn't looking, so it tells us nothing about his reflexes even with those restrictions on his abilities.

Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet is literally someone who has near-absolute mastery over every aspect of reality itself. If you were to drop him on Earth today there would literally be no way in principle that you could distinguish his powers from those of any of the described Abrahamic Gods. Goku is a powerful dude who can fly (incredibly) fast and shoot (absurdly) powerful energy beams. There's absolutely no comparison between the two.

lmao

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I don't think you're understanding what I mean here. My point is that Thanos wouldn't be able to stop Goku because Goku could blitz him before he could do anything.

Just like I believe many speedsters would snag it from him. Sensory input be dammed, Thanos can't do anything in a forum setting where he is rendered null until the fight starts, if his opponent is fast enough to stop him from using his powers.
The problem is that Thanos has the ability to slow down and even freeze individual characters in time. We see this in Infinity Gauntlet #4.

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Granted, you could consider Thanos snapping his fingers to be the trigger for the event and argue that Thanos wouldn't have time to do that. But given what we've saw throughout the series with Thanos reshaping reality with his will alone, I'd argue that it's nothing more than a visual representation of Thanos using his power.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What good will it do him to know that Goku will take the glove, if he can't do anything until the fight starts, meaning that Goku, or any high-tier speedster by that measure(like Flash, or even Silver Surfer if he was able to react to his own speed), could snag it off him before he can react?
Like previously shown, the limitations Thanos had when he almost lost the Gauntlet were self-imposed.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The assertion that Galan is making here is that Thanos has infinite reaction speed with the IG, which is simply untrue and baseless.
If Thanos can freeze time and operate externally to that time-freeze then his reaction speed would in fact be unlimited. The best argument you could make is his reaction speed prior to that isn't enough to keep Goku away from snagging the Gauntlet off his hand.

And when you consider the fact that Thanos was able to brush off the combined efforts of Marvel's cosmic pantheon, and even usurp Eternity role, that claim becomes dubious at best. Especially since Goku has no way of knowing that Thanos' power comes from the Gauntlet.

Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos.