M Vs Grace Choi

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Zack M
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Supermutant
Couldn't M just use tp?

Zack M
This is a fight. Which one is stronger, has the better fighting ability?

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Zack M
This is a fight. Which one is stronger, has the better fighting ability? laughing out loud

Supermutant
M still wins, she has better stats plus flying.

krisblaze
M via telepathy.

leonidas
i think grace is stronger (did alright against mammoth and more impressively sabbac), but m is strong, WAY faster and can fly. grace has the edge in durability though and is mean as fukc with some great damage soak feats (see sabbac again).
still, i would probably take m for a small majority in a physical battle. 6/10 imo.
her tp isn't all that great but it's enough to swing her more wins if it were allowed.

and good on ya prep for making a decent match this time.

Glorificus
Monet.

Zack M
Originally posted by leonidas
i think grace is stronger (did alright against mammoth and more impressively sabbac), but m is strong, WAY faster and can fly. grace has the edge in durability though and is mean as fukc with some great damage soak feats (see sabbac again).
still, i would probably take m for a small majority in a physical battle. 6/10 imo.
her tp isn't all that great but it's enough to swing her more wins if it were allowed.

and good on ya prep for making a decent match this time.

Yeah, both are extremely durable. I also think Grace has a better healing factor. She was hit 25,000 times and was still conscious.

https://i.imgur.com/7kOK8X1.jpg

Being burned alive.

https://i.imgur.com/CnNh5Ht.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8iOf7xq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mdALaMb.jpg

I'd like to see Monet use her TP in combat, though. Sounds interesting.

I give this a split between the two. Grace did draw blood from a formidable demon, like you said.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Zack M
She was hit 25,000 times and was still conscious.

It only took Bane one hit to ko her. big grin

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30176041_baneoutsiders1.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30176042_baneoutsiders2.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30176043_baneoutsiders3.jpg

Zack M
Holy shit! Never seen that. Nice feat for Bane, but kind of a cheap shot.

Zack M
Takes a blow from Mammoth, who is at least 75 toner.

https://i.imgur.com/RXyLTkS.jpg

Supermutant
Originally posted by Zack M
Holy shit! Never seen that. Nice feat for Bane, but kind of a cheap shot.

Not really cheap, she is right there when Bane breaks down the door and 1 shots Carface.

Funny enough Bane has also out-punched Mammoth.

leonidas
not sure if it's more a high feat for bane or a low feat for grace, but in general her damage soak is MUCH higher than that, obviously....

Zack M
Grace punches Freight Train out of a room. Didn't KO him, but it's a fun scene.

https://i.imgur.com/VVMQR7K.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LqgqaKC.jpg

StyleTime
Originally posted by leonidas
i think grace is stronger (did alright against mammoth and more impressively sabbac), but m is strong, WAY faster and can fly. grace has the edge in durability though and is mean as fukc with some great damage soak feats (see sabbac again).
still, i would probably take m for a small majority in a physical battle. 6/10 imo.
her tp isn't all that great but it's enough to swing her more wins if it were allowed.

and good on ya prep for making a decent match this time.
I'm of the same mind mostly. Monet's supersonic speed is a definite problem, even if she won't be unhittable. I'm not sure who to give the durability edge to though. I'm still one of the ones impressed by the WWH showing. The fact that he considered her too durable so he BFR'd her instead stands out to me.
https://postimg.org/image/5jm62gg2d/

Of course, not a be-all-end-all interpretation of that scene, but something to consider. I think Grace deals with pain better whereas Monet takes longer to actually injure.

Originally posted by Zack M

I'd like to see Monet use her TP in combat, though. Sounds interesting.

As much as I love Monet, she isn't a real combat psychic like say, Psylocke or Mr. X. I don't see any psychic attacks coming into play here more than 1-2/10.

Zack M
Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm of the same mind mostly, but I'm not sure who to give the durability edge to. I'm still one of the ones impressed by the WWH showing. The fact that he considered her too durable so he BFR'd her instead stands out to me.
https://postimg.org/image/5jm62gg2d/

Of course, not a be-all-end-all interpretation of that scene, but something to consider. I think Grace deals with pain better whereas Monet takes longer to actually injure.

As much as I love Monet, she isn't a real combat psychic like say, Psylocke or Mr. X. I don't see any psychic attacks coming into play here more than 1-2/10.

Can she shut down minds? Who has Monet beaten?

StyleTime
Off the top of my head, no.

I meant more she might toss out a tk blast or somesuch. Her telepathy is mostly just basic scanning.

Scarlet315
M edges out with superhuman speed, agility, reflexes, coordination, flight, telepathy, and telekinesis. There's also that genius level intellect. Monet 10/10

Zack M
How good are her reflexes? And who has she beaten?

StyleTime
Originally posted by Zack M
How good are her reflexes? And who has she beaten?
She's portrayed as super-sonic. Feats of outpacing bullets fired at other people and catching them. She even caught one aimed at Jubilee even though the gunman fired point-blank at Jubilee, while Monet was a good distance away.
https://postimg.org/image/4y0mnh8fn/
https://postimg.org/image/sqejcqzub/
https://postimg.org/image/7i0uvbldf/
https://postimg.org/image/4cg9542r7/

Similarly saves Banshee, but throws bullet back at the gunman.
https://postimg.org/image/qlugt3p2t/
https://postimg.org/image/pjkaajyjp/
https://postimg.org/image/aaucwrx5h/
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Flew from Budapest to Dubai in 5 minutes.

http://postimg.org/image/5yjg1zdr1/
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The same flight from a different perspective put her around Mach 3.
http://postimg.org/image/liqtsinvh/
http://postimg.org/image/bwx9c7wpp/
http://postimg.org/image/tffwehopp/

I can post others but just giving a general idea of where she is. Fight-wise, well, she's a bit like Grace. She's usually on lesser known teams, so she doesn't have many fights against the big names. She stalemated She-Hulk, which is about as close a comparison to Grace as we have.
Originally posted by Scarlet315
M edges out with superhuman speed, agility, reflexes, coordination, flight, telepathy, and telekinesis. There's also that genius level intellect. Monet 10/10
Monet isn't taking 10/10. Grace is a tank.

Supermutant
Originally posted by StyleTime
Monet isn't taking 10/10. Grace is a tank.

Don't see why not b/c so is M. With speed and flight advantages. Grace puts up a fight, but should lose every time to someone at least just as durable and similarly strong with the other advantages taken into account.

StyleTime
Because it's never gone that way vs similar opponents. She only got a stalemate vs She Hulk. Got choked out vs Amora in their first fight etc.

Supermutant
Originally posted by StyleTime
Because it's never gone that way vs similar opponents. She only got a stalemate vs She Hulk. Got choked out vs Amora in their first fight etc.

A stalemate against someone better than Grace and in She Hulk's book, when M didn't even want to fight initially. Also M had just rammed through a skyscraper at Mach 3 and started to fight an upgraded Deathstrike. Then Enchantress grab her from the back. Don't see how the later compares at all to an one on one forum fight.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Monet is too well rounded with impressive invulnerability, similar strength and superior speed/flight. Throw in telepathy for prediction and I'm not sure how she wins.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Supermutant
A stalemate against someone better than Grace and in She Hulk's book, when M didn't even want to fight initially. Also M had just rammed through a skyscraper at Mach 3 and started to fight an upgraded Deathstrike. Then Enchantress grab her from the back. Don't see how the later compares at all to an one on one forum fight.
Monet was fully committed once she started. This wasn't Captain Marvel vs Gamora, where Carol is trying to talk Gamora down. And Deathstrike's upgrades amounted to peanuts. The gap between she and Monet was about as large as it always is. Regardless, I brought the example up to show her speed amounts to very little real time. Enchantress would never grab her if she was were blitzing around at supersonic speed in fights.

She-Hulk is the same speed tier as Grace, and Monet fought like a brick. She's arrogant. It's literally part of her character. She relies on her strength and durability because she thinks she's better than everyone, even when it would benefit her to do otherwise.(i.e. Hulk). CIS is still on, and Monet will come down to brawl like usual.

She only puts the pedal to the metal when a teammate is in danger, which isn't the case here. She's full of herself, which is why she is fun to read.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Monet is too well rounded with impressive invulnerability, similar strength and superior speed/flight. Throw in telepathy for prediction and I'm not sure how she wins.
I agree Monet wins. I just think, with all the years of established history for her, she's going to brawl like always, which gives Grace more than a shot.

StiltmanFTW
Wait, what did M do to Lady D?

Supermutant
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wait, what did M do to Lady D?

nothing in that encounter b/c she got grabbed from behind my Enchantress.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Monet was fully committed once she started. This wasn't Captain Marvel vs Gamora, where Carol is trying to talk Gamora down. And Deathstrike's upgrades amounted to peanuts. The gap between she and Monet was about as large as it always is. Regardless, I brought the example up to show her speed amounts to very little real time. Enchantress would never grab her if she was were blitzing around at supersonic speed in fights.

This is a forum fight not a comic book where people with super speed don't use it so a battle can last 10 pages instead of 2 panels. Don't know the point you are trying to make b/c Monet completely stopped flying and moving before the Enchantress grabbed her.

Originally posted by StyleTime Originally posted by StyleTime
She-Hulk is the same speed tier as Grace, and Monet fought like a brick. She's arrogant. It's literally part of her character. She relies on her strength and durability because she thinks she's better than everyone, even when it would benefit her to do otherwise.(i.e. Hulk). CIS is still on, and Monet will come down to brawl like usual.

She only puts the pedal to the metal when a teammate is in danger, which isn't the case here. She's full of herself, which is why she is fun to read.

lol even in the fight you mention against She Hulk after being splash from a water hydrant, Monet went on too blitz her. Now in a forum she wouldn't stop so She Hulk could catch her breath and they stalemate , she will continue until she wins.

StyleTime
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wait, what did M do to Lady D?
Dodged a sword strike while engaged with Amora.
Originally posted by Supermutant
This is a forum fight not a comic book where people with super speed don't use it so a battle can last 10 pages instead of 2 panels. Don't know the point you are trying to make b/c Monet completely stopped flying and moving before the Enchantress grabbed her.

lol even in the fight you mention against She Hulk after being splash from a water hydrant, Monet went on too blitz her. Now in a forum she wouldn't stop so She Hulk could catch her breath and they stalemate , she will continue until she wins.
This is a forum fight, so CIS is on. Monet stopped flying because she came down to brawl, like usual. She isn't Superman. She explicitly stated "I'll take them all out" so, true to her character, she came in to throw down.

She never blitzed She Hulk.

StiltmanFTW
Ah, thanks thumb up

Zack M
Originally posted by StyleTime
Dodged a sword strike while engaged with Amora.

This is a forum fight, so CIS is on. Monet stopped flying because she came down to brawl, like usual. She isn't Superman. She explicitly stated "I'll take them all out" so, true to her character, she came in to throw down.

She never blitzed She Hulk.

What was the outcome of the She-Hulk fight?

If Monet and Grace DO get into a brawl, then I'd say it's a damn near even split. Both have equal strength from what I have seen. Although Monet MIGHT be more durable, Grace has better healing. In terms of fighting ability, I'd also give Grace the sleight edge.

Speed won't mean much, because Grace is an Amazonian, and she has great speed herself (Although not on the level of M).

Supermutant
Originally posted by StyleTime
This is a forum fight, so CIS is on. Monet stopped flying because she came down to brawl, like usual. She isn't Superman. She explicitly stated "I'll take them all out" so, true to her character, she came in to throw down.

No actually "she came in" after blitzing Enchantress crashing her into the the floor. Her intention as explicitly stated by Rachael was to hit them at mach 3 with incredible force basically a speed blitz. But she didn't know exactly where they was. In this forum characters use their powers to the best of their abilities, unless the OP handicaps them in some way.

So the Enchantress was only able to recover and grab her, after Lady Deathstrike attacked her. Does Grace have someone running interference for her in this battle? Does Grace use magic? M even stated in the last scan that she has trouble with magic. So trying to use that encounter as evidence of how Grace could beat her is a mistake.

https://imgur.com/a/IH0zi

But if your argument is Grace vs a handicapped M meaning no mental powers or flight, or speed, and just a slugfast. Then of course Grace will win her share.



Originally posted by Zack M
What was the outcome of the She-Hulk fight?

Originally posted by StyleTime
She never blitzed She Hulk.

From She-Hulk 31 (2005) everything started exactly like I said it did. If you notice on the 3rd scan M blitz Shulkie knocking her down. Then somehow the next time we see them, they are grappling each other in a contest of strength. Until Shulkie flips her over on a car, and immediately Strong Guy interferes. There is no reason why M couldn't repeat what she did in the 3 scan over and over in a forum until she got a victory.

https://imgur.com/a/tgEGK

StyleTime
Originally posted by Supermutant
No actually "she came in" after blitzing Enchantress crashing her into the the floor. Her intention as explicitly stated by Rachael was to hit them at mach 3 with incredible force basically a speed blitz. But she didn't know exactly where they was.
Rachel only stated what would happen if she hit the building. Regardless, Monet stated what her own intentions were, and fought accordingly. Rachel's opinion would be irrelevant even if she had given one.

She came down to brawl and got caught. We can't ignore it just because we'd prefer her to fight differently.
Originally posted by Supermutant

So the Enchantress was only able to recover and grab her, after Lady Deathstrike attacked her. Does Grace have someone running interference for her in this battle? Does Grace use magic? M even stated in the last scan that she has trouble with magic. So trying to use that encounter as evidence of how Grace could beat her is a mistake.

https://imgur.com/a/IH0zi
Enchantress recovered on her own. She tumbled with Monet and they were facing each other ready to brawl before Deathstrike ever tried anything.

Amora didn't use magic in that fight. I've already covered that with others in this thread. And the outcome of this fight is mostly irrelvant tbh.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=613285&highlight=Monet+vs+Amora+forumid%3A77
Originally posted by Supermutant
But if your argument is Grace vs a handicapped M meaning no mental powers or flight, or speed, and just a slugfast. Then of course Grace will win her share.

In this forum characters use their powers to the best of their abilities, unless the OP handicaps them in some way.

It's the rules.

"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise."

The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them."

I mean, we've literally had Maddrox command her not to brawl, and use her telepathy, because brawling is so integral to her style. She ignored him of course, and got knocked into a portal, massively delaying their mission.

https://postimg.org/image/71e7zhlrh/
https://postimg.org/image/83oei01zx/
https://postimg.org/image/pkx3r5hz1/

She really does she's better than everyone else.
https://postimg.org/image/oeoiec9ct/

You can get a mod ruling if you want. I'll happily change my answer if they think differently, but my argument is that Monet will fight like Monet, and not like us in Monet's body.
Originally posted by Supermutant
From She-Hulk 31 (2005) everything started exactly like I said it did. If you notice on the 3rd scan M blitz Shulkie knocking her down. Then somehow the next time we see them, they are grappling each other in a contest of strength. Until Shulkie flips her over on a car, and immediately Strong Guy interferes. There is no reason why M couldn't repeat what she did in the 3 scan over and over in a forum until she got a victory.

https://imgur.com/a/tgEGK
There is literally no blitz there.

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