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I'm gonna have to go with Jean on this one. Unless Saturn girl has some incredibly powerful tp, I don't see her taking Jean out easily and I don't recall her having tk, so that's one surefire avenue of attack for Jean that saturn girl can't easily counter. Maybe she has some reaction timing feats to put her above Jean, but I can't recall seeing any so this is gonna be a quick draw scenario and I favor more versatility in those sort of engagements. Jean 7/10

Saturn Girl has bigger scope.

Originally posted by Zack M
Saturn Girl has bigger scope. before posting in such a matter of fact way, may you please back that matter of fact statement up with some feats or scans?

Originally posted by deathslash
before posting in such a matter of fact way, may you please back that matter of fact statement up with some feats or scans?

Responding at all is problematic with Zack. Right or wrong, he lives to spam scans for DC. He'll likely provide some, but it won't necessarily mean anything since it will only be one side.

Originally posted by Digi
Responding at all is problematic with Zack. Right or wrong, he lives to spam scans for DC. He'll likely provide some, but it won't necessarily mean anything since it will only be one side. Zack is a bigger problem inside his threads than outside though. Outside his threads he's just like any other poster with a horse in the race. It'd be like Rage entering any Thor thread. You know where he stands, but it's not out of this realm stupid more often than not.
Inside his own threads? He's a real piece of shit.


Saturn Girl is the most powerful tp in the LoSH universe though last I checked. IIRC she has universal feats linking minds together or something along those lines

She's scanned the universe twice. Galan and Abhi have posted these time and time again. She's Xavier class, IMO. Without the PF, Jean can't win.

Originally posted by Zack M
She's scanned the universe twice. Galan and Abhi have posted these time and time again. She's Xavier class, IMO. Without the PF, Jean can't win. ......telepathic scanning is not the same as being powerful on a telepathic offensive. It's very much the same way as how striking power doesn't equal strength.....

Anyway, how does she deal with Jean's tk? Matter of fact, professor X has explicitly said that Jean is more powerful in telepathy than him so.....

Originally posted by deathslash
......telepathic scanning is not the same as being powerful on a telepathic offensive. It's very much the same way as how striking power doesn't equal strength.....

Anyway, how does she deal with Jean's tk? Matter of fact, professor X has explicitly said that Jean is more powerful in telepathy than him so.....

I was just talking in scope. She has also placed illusions inside her teammates mind to make them believe that she was there for entire weeks/months and nobody knew the difference. That's some insane skill.

She also screwed with Universo, and he was connected with the entire universe (TP wise). That is beyond Jean.

Originally posted by deathslash
......telepathic scanning is not the same as being powerful on a telepathic offensive.

evidence of that?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Zack is a bigger problem inside his threads than outside though. Outside his threads he's just like any other poster with a horse in the race. It'd be like Rage entering any Thor thread. You know where he stands, but it's not out of this realm stupid more often than not.
Inside his own threads? He's a real piece of shit.

I stopped posting in Zack threads like, 2 years ago.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Saturn Girl is the most powerful tp in the LoSH universe though last I checked. IIRC she has universal feats linking minds together or something along those lines
Thats impressive af.

Saturn Girls race is used as a universal communication hub.

Without Phoenix amps, that's beyond Jean.

Jean Grey.

Originally posted by Digi
Responding at all is problematic with Zack. Right or wrong, he lives to spam scans for DC. He'll likely provide some, but it won't necessarily mean anything since it will only be one side.

Zack is for DC how everyone only thinks I am (wrongly)for Iron Fist.

nt

Originally posted by cdtm
Saturn Girls race is used as a universal communication hub.

Without Phoenix amps, that's beyond Jean.
Okay.
I was wondering how Jean ranked now that she was back among the living.
I -do- like her new outfit.

Jean just isn't in Saturn Girl's class. Now, Jean backed by the PF is a different story.

Originally posted by MrMind
evidence of that?
It depends on if he meant total effectiveness or not. Rachel vs Emma is the classic example. Rachel has projected her mind to the Earth from half a universe away.
https://postimg.org/image/sylw3lsez/
https://postimg.org/image/hz0orzua3/
https://postimg.org/image/8eh253x8b/

And sifted through the planet, categorizing people by current activity while searching for the Hellfire Club.
https://postimg.org/image/70pf9pq8b/

Emma still thwacked her telepathically, citing her lack of skill. (Not posting whole fight since everyone's seen it.)
https://postimg.org/image/ax2r5xvuz/
Originally posted by riv6672
Okay.
I was wondering how Jean ranked now that she was back among the living.
I -do- like her new outfit.
Are we doing an amalgam Saturn Girl, or specifically the one in the pic?
Originally posted by Zack M
Jean just isn't in Saturn Girl's class. Now, Jean backed by the PF is a different story.
Even setting aside the TP argument, Jean still has TK. She is capable of blasting Imra the length of France without Phoenix.

https://postimg.org/image/9jb4alu0r/
https://postimg.org/image/nczgznewb/

The length of France...

Originally posted by StyleTime
It depends on if he meant total effectiveness or not. Rachel vs Emma is the classic example. Rachel has projected her mind to the Earth from half a universe away.
https://postimg.org/image/sylw3lsez/
https://postimg.org/image/hz0orzua3/
https://postimg.org/image/8eh253x8b/

And sifted through the planet, categorizing people by current activity while searching for the Hellfire Club.
https://postimg.org/image/70pf9pq8b/

Emma still thwacked her telepathically, citing her lack of skill. (Not posting whole fight since everyone's seen it.)
https://postimg.org/image/ax2r5xvuz/

Are we doing an amalgam Saturn Girl, or specifically the one in the pic?

Even setting aside the TP argument, Jean still has TK. She is capable of blasting Imra the length of France without Phoenix.

https://postimg.org/image/9jb4alu0r/
https://postimg.org/image/nczgznewb/

SG has TK blasts herself.

Originally posted by riv6672
The length of France...
https://postimg.org/image/9fzgxfq2z/

The issue specified they were on the coast of Northern France. Jean launched him to the Pyrenees, a mountain range at the southern border with Spain.
Originally posted by Zack M
SG has TK blasts herself.
I chalk that up to creator error. She never displayed it outside of that one issue, and hasn't been referenced with TK now. It's in the same boat as Phoebe Cuckoo or Xavier displaying TK. We can safely disregard it without misrepresenting the characters.

On a side note, many telepaths have one-off feats of physically affecting the environment(Xavier destroyed a sentinel with tp lol). I think some writers imagine psychic abilities as different branches of one psychokinetic tree. Get enough power in one area and you unlock others.

Originally posted by StyleTime
https://postimg.org/image/9fzgxfq2z/

The issue specified they were on the coast of Northern France. Jean launched him to the Pyrenees, a mountain range at the southern border with Spain.

I chalk that up to creator error. She never displayed it outside of that one issue, and hasn't been referenced with TK now. It's in the same boat as Phoebe Cuckoo or Xavier displaying TK. We can safely disregard it without misrepresenting the characters.

On a side note, many telepaths have one-off feats of physically affecting the environment(Xavier destroyed a sentinel with tp lol). I think some writers imagine psychic abilities as different branches of one psychokinetic tree. Get enough power in one area and you unlock others.

There's always been a very narrow line between TK and TP in comics.

Emma Frost was also able to shatter an entire building during her psychic battle with the Phoenix, even though it was a telepathic duel. Although, one might argue Emma had latent telekinesis when later one of her students (Synch?) I think was copying her powers, despite it never being anything consciously used by Emma at any point.

A lot of the times due to writers muddling the lines, a telepath may be mistakenly depicted as performing feats as if they had TK, when they actually don't.

In the case of Jean, however, her TK is very much explicitly one of her abilities and not a byproduct of ambiguous application of her TP. And her TK is something she could easily deploy to KO Saturn Girl, or snap her neck with a thought.

That all depends on how Jean endures Saturn Girl's psychic attack. If she can mind phuck Universo (who is miles above Jean) and Martian Manhunter (who also has his form of TK and a crap load of other powers), then it's safe to say Irma wins the majority.

Jean Grey is an entirely different beast, especially in combat.

The crazy, burning red head, wins.

GTFO with that shit. Saturn Queen, the lesser TP has killed J'onn as an afterthought.

Imra kills the *****.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Jean Grey is an entirely different beast, especially in combat.

The crazy, burning red head, wins. I don't think I've ever once stopped and thought that Jean was anything special without Phoenix. She's one of those completely forgettable characters that might as well be just a big not fully drawn crowd in the background with lines. Even Nightcrawler jumps out more than her. If she has decent feats, I don't even remember.

Her and Cyclops too? Pr sure knows how to pick characters...

Originally posted by abhilegend
GTFO with that shit. Saturn Queen, the lesser TP has killed J'onn as an afterthought.

Imra kills the *****.



And she'll destroy Jean easier than Universo.

Funny hiw the cattiest things in this thread AREN'T the two female chaeacters.

You have to love Style's categorical knowledge of every female character

Originally posted by Glorificus
There's always been a very narrow line between TK and TP in comics.

Emma Frost was also able to shatter an entire building during her psychic battle with the Phoenix, even though it was a telepathic duel. Although, one might argue Emma had latent telekinesis when later one of her students (Synch?) I think was copying her powers, despite it never being anything consciously used by Emma at any point.

A lot of the times due to writers muddling the lines, a telepath may be mistakenly depicted as performing feats as if they had TK, when they actually don't.

In the case of Jean, however, her TK is very much explicitly one of her abilities and not a byproduct of ambiguous application of her TP. And her TK is something she could easily deploy to KO Saturn Girl, or snap her neck with a thought.
Yeah, I was thinking about the Emma one. It extends to other powers too. Astral projection, psychometry, precognition often get dumped there, but are widely considered separate powers in most media. Heck, you'll see time/space manipulation occasionally.

Some writers get a little too loose with their definitions.

Originally posted by Zack M
That all depends on how Jean endures Saturn Girl's psychic attack. If she can mind phuck Universo (who is miles above Jean) and Martian Manhunter (who also has his form of TK and a crap load of other powers), then it's safe to say Irma wins the majority.
Remember how Imra punched Universo's lights out? Yeah, Jean has TK. Using him is wonky regardless, since he's technically a hypnotist rather than a telepath.

The Blue Echo left her in preparation for the shit show that was AvX. The scans were for the discussion about effectiveness though. It wasn't a direct comparison to Imra.

Although, Emma has decent showings against Xavier. She's not as far down the totem pole as you think.

As for the illusion scenario, it would launch simultaneously with Jean's TK, which would be a quick draw. Being reasonable to both parties, I can't see Jean doing worse than 5/5. And that's if we throw out her telepathy completely. With it, she doesn't have to be superior to Saturn Girl. Just enough to buy like, 1 second.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Remember how Imra punched Universo's lights out? Yeah, Jean has TK. Using him is wonky regardless, since he's technically a hypnotist rather than a telepath.

The Blue Echo left her in preparation for the shit show that was AvX. The scans were for the discussion about effectiveness though. It wasn't a direct comparison to Imra.

Although, Emma has decent showings against Xavier. She's not as far down the totem pole as you think.

As for the illusion scenario, it would launch simultaneously with Jean's TK, which would be a quick draw. Being reasonable to both parties, I can't see Jean doing worse than 5/5. And that's if we throw out her telepathy completely. With it, she doesn't have to be superior to Saturn Girl. Just enough to buy like, 1 second.

He's also a Telepath. And, it comes down to who can affect which mind first. I'll go with the superior telepath here.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Although, Emma has decent showings against Xavier. She's not as far down the totem pole as you think.

I wanted to edit this in, but I'm having trouble editing/quoting for some reason. The text just doesn't show up sometimes.

Anyway, here's a reference point if you want to scale for Emma. Xavier has also felt every thought ever conceived in the universe.

https://postimg.org/image/y5bj6h1pn/

She's not Saturn Girl in scope obviously, but her skill allows her to tussle with the high end, Phoenix entity included.

But can Jean take a majority? Doubtful. Jean would do horribly against Manchester, let alone Irma.

Manchester has TK though, so it's a different fight. The reason I give Jean a majority is due to the TK. In pure telepathy, sure, this thread is a different animal. In a regular fight though, I don't see any gap between them being big enough to consistently nullify Jean's TK edge.

So probably like 6/10 Jean, depending on where you think Jean ends and the Phoenix begins.

Originally posted by StyleTime


The Blue Echo left her in preparation for the shit show that was AvX. The scans were for the discussion about effectiveness though. It wasn't a direct comparison to Imra.

Issue number?

Amped with Phoenix Force, she couldn't control Thor and Red Hulk.

Imra dropped Mon-El and Ultra Boy with one look by literally crushing their subconscious mind while they were controlled by universo.

Emma may get some props for beating unskilled telepaths like Rachel (dumb gal once got turned into a dinosaur by a bottom of the page telepath FFS).

She is hardly anywhere near J'onn or Xavier level. Imra is two levels above that.

We both know when psychics fight, it comes down to TP and not TK.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I wanted to edit this in, but I'm having trouble editing/quoting for some reason. The text just doesn't show up sometimes.

Anyway, here's a reference point if you want to scale for Emma. Xavier has also felt every thought ever conceived in the universe.

https://postimg.org/image/y5bj6h1pn/

She's not Saturn Girl in scope obviously, but her skill allows her to tussle with the high end, Phoenix entity included.
Charles didn't pick up thoughts from all over the universe. Nina thrust him into the thoughts of everyone to awaken his telepathic powers.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-1991/Issue-84?id=28416

He didn't even gave TP right before that page.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Issue number?

Amped with Phoenix Force, she couldn't control Thor and Red Hulk.

Imra dropped Mon-El and Ultra Boy with one look by literally crushing their subconscious mind while they were controlled by universo.

Emma may get some props for beating unskilled telepaths like Rachel (dumb gal once got turned into a dinosaur by a bottom of the page telepath FFS).

She is hardly anywhere near J'onn or Xavier level. Imra is two levels above that.

We both know when psychics fight, it comes down to TP and not TK.
X-Men:Kingbreaker #4 (dumb arc so I saved you the time)
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https://postimg.org/image/m9bxfymhn/

True. She couldn't enter their heads until absorbing Namor's portion. Rulk, as with any Hulk really, always has the fallback trope of rage if the writer wants to go there. The Thor thing I'll grant, but meh...comics. Batman resisted Saturn Queen then TKO'd her.

Through direct showings though, Emma is trouble for Xavier, Exodus, and such. Like I said, it's not that she's their equal. It's just that she's skilled enough to tussle when at a power disadvantage. We're saying similar things I guess.

Why would you put Imra two levels above them? She stated Universo's shenanigans made the Legionnaire's minds weak, and Mon/Ultra aren't exactly Superman or Fantomex in tp defense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Charles didn't pick up thoughts from all over the universe. Nina thrust him into the thoughts of everyone to awaken his telepathic powers.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-1991/Issue-84?id=28416

He didn't even gave TP right before that page.
She only restarted his powers. Before he could reign them in, he was hearing thoughts across the universe. You added the rest yourself.

It quite matches with his history. Even as a child, he would hear thoughts globally if he slipped and didn't block them out.

It's no secret his TP was gone around that time. I didn't think it was relevant.

Originally posted by StyleTime
X-Men:Kingbreaker #4 (dumb arc so I saved you the time)
https://postimg.org/image/cc0wmwmln/
https://postimg.org/image/m9bxfymhn/

True. She couldn't enter their heads until absorbing Namor's portion. Rulk, as with any Hulk really, always has the fallback trope of rage if the writer wants to go there. The Thor thing I'll grant, but meh...comics. Batman resisted Saturn Queen then TKO'd her.

Through direct showings though, Emma is trouble for Xavier, Exodus, and such. Like I said, it's not that she's their equal. It's just that she's skilled enough to tussle when at a power disadvantage. We're saying similar things I guess.

Why would you put Imra two levels above them? She stated Universo's shenanigans made the Legionnaire's minds weak, and Mon/Ultra aren't exactly Superman or Fantomex in tp defense.

Universo was uber at that time. His mind was connected to every being in the universe. Even Cassandra Nova doesn't have anything on that. I think the only being who is that powerful, TP wise is Brainiac.

Originally posted by StyleTime
X-Men:Kingbreaker #4 (dumb arc so I saved you the time)
https://postimg.org/image/cc0wmwmln/
https://postimg.org/image/m9bxfymhn/

Oh right, that was the arc.

Red Hulk wasn't even shown able to rage out of it. In his own series Xemnu easily controlled him citing he has no mental strength.

Batman is Batman. Especially under Loeb. He would do the same to Xavier or whoever tries that.

In a few showings, yes. But Xavier took over both Cyclops and Emma.

https://imgur.com/a/M87bY

Emma may be skilled for her level but there are very few showings for her which someone like J'onn can't replicate.

Because someone like J'onn is a peer to Emma/Xavier in skill and power and Imra is far superior to J'onn.

Originally posted by StyleTime
She only restarted his powers. Before he could reign them in, he was hearing thoughts across the universe. You added the rest yourself.

It quite matches with his history. Even as a child, he would hear thoughts globally if he slipped and didn't block them out.

It's no secret his TP was gone around that time. I didn't think it was relevant.
He was thrown in the collective thoughts of the universe by Nina to reactivate his powers.

All of the world? Even J'onn has taken thoughts of every being on Earth from Mars and thrown them on a fellow Martian to defeat her.

http://imgur.com/a/Zlt3G

Originally posted by abhilegend

Red Hulk wasn't even shown able to rage out of it. In his own series Xemnu easily controlled him citing he has no mental strength.

Batman is Batman. Especially under Loeb. He would do the same to Xavier or whoever tries that.

In a few showings, yes. But Xavier took over both Cyclops and Emma.

https://imgur.com/a/M87bY

Emma may be skilled for her level but there are very few showings for her which someone like J'onn can't replicate.

Because someone like J'onn is a peer to Emma/Xavier in skill and power and Imra is far superior to J'onn.
Like I said, it's just part of comic inconsistency. Emma has also blocked Xavier without Phoenix. I think we've bridged the gap between us here though, so .

I was including J'onn there. What makes you place her that far above him? That time she pinged him?
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was thrown in the collective thoughts of the universe by Nina to reactivate his powers.

All of the world? Even J'onn has taken thoughts of every being on Earth from Mars and thrown them on a fellow Martian to defeat her.

http://imgur.com/a/Zlt3G
No, she just clicked them on. I don't quite understand your reasoning otherwise here.

I didn't mean that as a feat. I meant that Xavier's powers seem to reach out like that if he doesn't reign them in. It makes sense that in adulthood, after his powers grow, that the scope extends. Having his powers returned took a second to get under control.

He's done similar.
https://postimg.org/image/7v4vdf42j/
https://postimg.org/image/fnvj5e2bv/

Originally posted by StyleTime
Like I said, it's just part of comic inconsistency. Emma has also blocked Xavier without Phoenix. I think we've bridged the gap between us here though, so .

I was including J'onn there. What makes you place her that far above him? That time she pinged him?

No, she just clicked them on from what I can tell. Help me see where you're coming from here.

I didn't mean that as a feat. I meant that Xavier's powers seem to reach out like that if he doesn't reign them in. It makes sense that in adulthood, after his powers grow, that the scope extends. Having his powers returned took a second to get under control.

He's done similar.
https://postimg.org/image/7v4vdf42j/
https://postimg.org/image/fnvj5e2bv/

SG has shown universal telepathy. Martian Manhunter only has planetary.

She certainly has a huge range. That's undeniable. I can't think of any comparable control feats off the top of my head though. The one abhi posted for example.

Of course, could be wrong.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Like I said, it's just part of comic inconsistency. Emma has also blocked Xavier without Phoenix. I think we've bridged the gap between us here though, so .

Emma blocked Charles in WWH and so did the cuckoos. It was a bad showing all around for Xavier.

No, Saturn Queen killing him.

You can think that way but Imra has handled the combined thoughts in the universe twice and scanned the whole universe as well.

Hence why J'onn is a peer to Xavier.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Saturn Queen killing him.
The alternate timeline one where she was fighting him physically? Even assuming his tp was the same, I don't remember Imra ever smashing her.

And the short haired Saturn Queen was stalemating multiple Saturn Girls, albeit mostly off panel.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The alternate timeline one where she was fighting him physically? Even assuming his tp was the same, I don't remember Imra ever smashing her.

And the short haired Saturn Queen was stalemating multiple Saturn Girls, albeit mostly off panel.
Yes, the same. She came back in time and killed him when he was found first by Dr Erskine.

Her whole personality is that she is jealous of Imra who is the most powerful telepath Titan has ever produced.

You mean in LO3W? Earth 247 Saturn Girl stopped her easily.

She hates their society, and Saturn Girl represents that true. I've seen no real indication that Imra is better than her though. They surprisingly don't interact much, but two Saturn Girls weren't able to stop her broadcasting her thoughts.

Earth 247 SG didn't stop her, even with help from Earth-Prime SG.

Kinda impressive that Sensor Girl tooled Saturn Girl like a weak feeb. Shows how formidable Sensor Girl is.

Imes Imra was the first to concoct a cure for MonEl

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/38114199_image.jpg


She was able to read the mind of a person whom even a race of telepaths were unable to read:

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/38114200_image.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/38114201_image.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
Kinda impressive that Sensor Girl tooled Saturn Girl like a weak feeb. Shows how formidable Sensor Girl is.
The problem is Threeboot Saturn Girl wasn't impressive. I personally think Saturn Girl is overstated in general, but Threeboot is probably the weakest.

We keep using amalgams of Legion characters because their continuity is one of the most ****ed up in comics, but it makes certain feats sound better than they are.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The problem is Threeboot Saturn Girl wasn't impressive. I personally think Saturn Girl is overstated in general, but Threeboot is probably the weakest.

We keep using amalgams of Legion characters because their continuity is one of the most ****ed up in comics, but it makes certain feats sound better than they are.

She did that to zero hour, post Saturn Girl, not three boot.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The problem is Threeboot Saturn Girl wasn't impressive. I personally think Saturn Girl is overstated in general, but Threeboot is probably the weakest.

We keep using amalgams of Legion characters because their continuity is one of the most ****ed up in comics, but it makes certain feats sound better than they are.

Sorry, upon further look, it was three boot. I was thinking of the scene where Sensor Girl fooled Universo, which was before threeboot.

Notice how it says Universo is the most dangerous TELEPATH ever? Saturn Girl is way above Martian Manhunter or even Xavier.

https://i.imgur.com/mHaTFEF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gMLvL5u.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2lrAht6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PgzmS2B.jpg

And Jeckie was able to block her thoughts and fool him with an illusion.

https://i.imgur.com/PFRHVqD.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
Sorry, upon further look, it was three boot. I was thinking of the scene where Sensor Girl fooled Universo, which was before threeboot.

Originally posted by Zack M

On Earth 247, yes he's a telepath. He had Saturn Girl living in a dream world.
https://postimg.org/image/xy3z4fpp7/
https://postimg.org/image/vtjm3cgcr/

Granted, he was amping off the Titanet, as stated by himself and Sensor.
https://postimg.org/image/6kys9rj5n/
https://postimg.org/image/jccyg9l7v/

Sensor has resistance, but she obtained a psi-blocker to save Saturn Girl.
https://postimg.org/image/q43dipx8b/
https://postimg.org/image/h92j85azv/

Universo got overwhelmed by the innocence of a baby. (Not joking)
https://postimg.org/image/vs9o9tjmz/
https://postimg.org/image/w512fzu6z/

Then, Saturn Girl amped off of Titanet while he was mentally compromised and beat him, as revealed later.
https://postimg.org/image/7oiwlkym3/

Again, Saturn Girl is being way overstated here, as is Universo. They were both amping, and accomplished less than J'onn while doing it.

J'onn is still not in her league. Unless you have feats that say otherwise. I'd put MM around Xavier/Emma level.

Originally posted by StyleTime
On Earth 247, yes he's a telepath. He had Saturn Girl living in a dream world.
https://postimg.org/image/xy3z4fpp7/
https://postimg.org/image/vtjm3cgcr/

Granted, he was amping off the Titanet, as stated by himself and Sensor.
https://postimg.org/image/6kys9rj5n/
https://postimg.org/image/jccyg9l7v/

Sensor has resistance, but she obtained a psi-blocker to save Saturn Girl.
https://postimg.org/image/q43dipx8b/
https://postimg.org/image/h92j85azv/

Universo got overwhelmed by the innocence of a baby. (Not joking)
https://postimg.org/image/vs9o9tjmz/
https://postimg.org/image/w512fzu6z/

Then, Saturn Girl amped off of Titanet while he was mentally compromised and beat him, as revealed later.
https://postimg.org/image/7oiwlkym3/

Again, Saturn Girl is being way overstated here, as is Universo. They were both amping, and accomplished less than J'onn while doing it.
That baby was a major reality warper IIRC.

Earth 247 Saturn Girl is not in this match anyway.

Originally posted by Zack M
J'onn is still not in her league. Unless you have feats that say otherwise. I'd put MM around Xavier/Emma level.
Nearly all his feats say otherwise. Pick one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That baby was a major reality warper IIRC.

Earth 247 Saturn Girl is not in this match anyway.
Blame Prep yo. It's why I asked if we were using an amalgam Saturn Girl or not.

On a side note, none of that was meant to downplay Sensor Girl. Her illusions are usually pretty legit.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Nearly all his feats say otherwise. Pick one.

Blame Prep yo. It's why I asked if we were using an amalgam Saturn Girl or not.

On a side note, none of that was meant to downplay Sensor Girl. Her illusions are usually pretty legit.

In terms of scope and skill? I cant think of any.

Who cares about reach?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Who cares about reach? golgo obviously. He's been going on about it for four pages.

It's not all about reach, but SG has a lot of skill, too.

Originally posted by Zack M
In terms of scope and skill? I cant think of any.
She has the range, but it's mostly just communication/scanning. She doesn't just reach out and mind control planets. And it's really just Earth-0 Saturn Girl. Being fair to Imra, she doesn't interact with mainstream DC much, due to the nature of her series.

Saturn Queen is about the only comparison we have. I don't recall her even displaying Emma Frost range. Multiple Saturn Girls still failed to block her, including Earth-0.

you are seriously putting a crimp in prep's saturn girl fetish with all your pesky facts.

Originally posted by StyleTime
She has the range, but it's mostly just communication/scanning. She doesn't just reach out and mind control planets. And it's really just Earth-0 Saturn Girl. Being fair to Imra, she doesn't interact with mainstream DC much, due to the nature of her series.

Saturn Queen is about the only comparison we have. I don't recall her even displaying Emma Frost range. Multiple Saturn Girls still failed to block her, including Earth-0.

I'd definitely say SQ is in Emma's class, though.

Probably. Eve may even be higher going by implications. We don't see her often enough to really gauge 100%.

Did anyone take this into account? It was a surprise attack, but Irma did restrain MM mentally.

https://i.imgur.com/fjQjy6P.jpg

BTW, where do you rank Despero, telepathically wise?

Yes, I mentioned it already. But yeah, she just psi-bolted him while he was unaware she was even present. Previous page.
https://postimg.org/image/legwp8t0b/

Regardless, it's New 52 J'onn. Different feats.

Despero, I don't know. Haven't kept up with most of the reboot tbh.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yes, I mentioned it already. But yeah, she just psi-bolted him while he was unaware she was even present. Previous page.
https://postimg.org/image/legwp8t0b/

Regardless, it's New 52 J'onn. Different feats.

Despero, I don't know. Haven't kept up with most of the reboot tbh.

New52 J'onn is still impressive, TP wise. Despero, Pre-Flashpoint, is what I mean.