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Equalized stats, no super powers.

How does Clark do vs

- Captain America

- Daredevil

- DeathStroke

- Iron Fist

- Batman

- Lady Shiva

Skill for skill, can he take victories?

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Originally posted by Damborgson
Equalized stats, no super powers.

How does Clark do vs

- Captain America

- Daredevil

- DeathStroke

- Iron Fist

- Batman

- Lady Shiva

Skill for skill, can he take victories? No, they all beat him.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Equalized stats, no super powers.

How does Clark do vs

- Captain America

Gets raped.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How does Clark do vs

- Daredevil


Gets raped.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How does Clark do vs

- DeathStroke


Gets raped.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How does Clark do vs

- Iron Fist


Gets raped.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How does Clark do vs

- Batman


Gets raped.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How does Clark do vs

- Lady Shiva


Gets raped.

Originally posted by Damborgson

Skill for skill, can he take victories?

No. He cannot land a single hit. He cannot dodge a single strike.

He wouldn't even be able to last a second, if not for the standard forum starting distance, which is 1/2 km.

- Captain America - loses ridiculously bad

- Daredevil - is annihilated

- DeathStroke - loses badly

- Iron Fist - Is annihilated

- Batman - ends in sex

- Lady Shiva - is annihilated

I saw the title of the thread and I laughed hard.

Thanks for that.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Equalized stats, no super powers.

How does Clark do vs

- Captain America

- Daredevil

- DeathStroke

- Iron Fist

- Batman

- Lady Shiva

Skill for skill, can he take victories?

It's not about whether he can take any victories (he can't). It's about whether he can make the fight somewhat competitive before losing.
With equal stats and both characters being human then he can do quite well against all of them.

Remember no one gets their superhuman feats here. DD can't block bullets, no one else is a bullet timer. They all move with human speed and have normal human strength and durability.

If not then Superman would also get Superhuman abilities too and still make it a fight.

..He already beat Kobra, who beat Batman back in the day. He gives any of them a decent fight barring probably current Shiva, and takes at least 2/10 from any of them.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not about whether he can take any victories (he can't). It's about whether he can make the fight somewhat competitive before losing.
With equal stats and both characters being human then he can do quite well against all of them.

Remember no one gets their superhuman feats here. DD can't block bullets, no one else is a bullet timer. They all move with human speed and have normal human strength and durability.

If not then Superman would also get Superhuman abilities too and still make it a fight.
Supes loses no matter how the OP is spun, son.

Originally posted by panthergod
..He already beat Kobra, who beat Batman back in the day. He gives any of them a decent fight barring probably current Shiva, and takes at least 2/10 from any of them.
As if one fight actually determines his skill.

Superman has a 1000 years of combat experience fighting alongside Diana. He has been trained by both.

There is the MURDERER'S ART known as Torqasm Rao that he is an expert in.

Superman is a warrior!

Originally posted by deathslash

As if one fight actually determines his skill.

Who said it did? I gave one example. Superman is a solid B list combatant. Easily on par. With Rick Flagg, Hal Jordan or Ben Grimm. He's beaten Parademons and Elite Krytonian warriors like Kru El.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman has a 1000 years of combat experience fighting alongside Diana. He has been trained by both.

There is the MURDERER'S ART known as Torqasm Rao that he is an expert in.

Superman is a warrior! Superman is as skilled as Batman allows.

Originally posted by Badabing
Superman is as skilled as Batman allows.

Pr LEARNED A VERY HARD LESSON!!!

SO WILL YOU!!!

i wonder if he could take lex if the levels were equalized? harley quinn? joker?

He already defeated Lex in h2h.

https://s7.postimg.org/7j32izj0n/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/6gsw0g7x3/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/3mpqn0dgn/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/4c8izdlpz/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/jkygd5n47/image.jpg

I'd be surprised if he couldn't take Lex lmao.

Maybe he could steal a win off of deathstroke?

Need I say more?
https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/superman-muhammad-ali-stretcher.jpg

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'd be surprised if he couldn't take Lex lmao.

Maybe he could steal a win off of deathstroke?
Lex has some good h2h feats. Originally posted by deathslash
Need I say more?
https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/superman-muhammad-ali-stretcher.jpg
Pre crisis Superman wasn't that skilled in a fight.

Losing to Ali in a boxing match is considered a poor showing?

The canon tends to be all over the place. Many writers have stressed how unskilled he is, even having it be a major plot point with Wonder Woman, and her teaching him.
On the other end, you have him doing Super Martial Arts moves and taking down fairly elite HTH combatants while unpowered.

Even his highest skill portrayals are unlikely to be favored against anyone here when unpowered. However, the degree of humiliation varies wildly from portrayal to portrayal.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Equalized stats, no super powers.

How does Clark do vs

- Captain America

- Daredevil

- DeathStroke

- Iron Fist

- Batman

- Lady Shiva

Skill for skill, can he take victories?

Hold up.

No powers...

Daredevil....

Lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hold up.

No powers...

Daredevil....

Lol

Daredevil was doing fine as a blind man with no super senses.

Read up on the character.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'd be surprised if he couldn't take Lex lmao.

Yeah no shit, thats not exactly bragging rights.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Losing to Ali in a boxing match is considered a poor showing?
But beating Lex somehow matters in a thread where he's facing guys like DD, Cap, Iron Fist, and Shiva...

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'd be surprised if he couldn't take Lex lmao.

Be surprised, then:

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8b5f71b4c3163e5e5da7282ce997121b

http://i.gyazo.com/43b6b91f13ab4502f20ef35655cb2b9d.png

Savage

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Be surprised, then:

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8b5f71b4c3163e5e5da7282ce997121b

http://i.gyazo.com/43b6b91f13ab4502f20ef35655cb2b9d.png

Sucker hit and also Superman wasn't trying to fight.

^^^I agree, Superman's a sucker.

Lol. AFTER hitting Superman, Lex takes the time to monologue and take his freaking hand off lol.

And it's still a sucker punch? ??

Originally posted by h1a8
Sucker hit and also Superman wasn't trying to fight.

Lex was obese at the time and missing a f*cking hand, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. AFTER hitting Superman, Lex takes the time to monologue and take his freaking hand off lol.

And it's still a sucker punch? ??

Sucker stump, technically.

Superman's fists are balled up so he's ready to fight it seems.

Of course he is.

But what we know, h1 is a teacher, a scientist, a true scholar...

Skill levels

Captain America 12
Daredevil 11
DeathStroke 12
Iron Fist 11
Batman 120000000000000000000000000*
Lady Shiva 12
Superman 9

He knows pressure points and is quite formidable, Batman also trained him and he did indeed defeat Kobra. His h2h skills depends on the writer.

*no computer in this world can depict this number, so don't try it. I stopped adding the Zeros before my computer crashes from this blasphemy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He already defeated Lex in h2h.

https://s7.postimg.org/7j32izj0n/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/6gsw0g7x3/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/3mpqn0dgn/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/4c8izdlpz/image.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/jkygd5n47/image.jpg



Superman barely beat an unhinged with rage Lex Luthor before passing out. Really good evidence if you were trying to argue he'd beat post-gunshot Oracle.

When you get hit and dazed then your ability to defend decreases. Your reflexes are lower. Superman got sucker hit with that object. After that he was in dazed mode (so doesn't count).

Originally posted by h1a8
When you get hit and dazed then your ability to defend decreases. Your reflexes are lower. Superman got sucker hit with that object. After that he was in dazed mode (so doesn't count).




Here's the entire sequence.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Superman barely beat an unhinged with rage Lex Luthor before passing out. Really good evidence if you were trying to argue he'd beat post-gunshot Oracle.
Superman also fell from hundreds of feet without powers and that's what made him pass out.

I like how you get reduced to single IQ whenever Superman is mentioned.

Anyway Superman in Kobra body vs Kobra in Batman's body.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman in kobra's body vs kobra in batman's body

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JLA-ForeignBodies-58.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JLA-ForeignBodies-59.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JLA-ForeignBodies-60.jpg

Straight up beats the shit out of Kobra even after Kobra ambushes Superman.

And Kobra has beaten Batman.

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/Superman/kobrabeatingbats1.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/Superman/kobrabeatingbats2.jpg

This is not that small god from small world we are talking about here ragey boy.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Losing to Ali in a boxing match is considered a poor showing? considering how he can't move faster than bullets, doesn't have showing of lifting in tons, and didn't get hit even once against superman? Yes, that speaks volumes about Clark and his lack of skill.

So unlike 80% of who he's fighting here, clark was fighting a comparatively normal human and still got decimated.

Originally posted by cdtm
Here's the entire sequence.

"please...I'm hurt...let me through..."

Originally posted by cdtm
Here's the entire sequence.

Finally.

Thank you

What do you say, h1?

Originally posted by deathslash
considering how he can't move faster than bullets, doesn't have showing of lifting in tons, and didn't get hit even once against superman? Yes, that speaks volumes about Clark and his lack of skill.

So unlike 80% of who he's fighting here, clark was fighting a comparatively normal human and still got decimated.
You know Superman was Depowered, right?

So.....like here?

No, actually artificially weakened by Mxy to human level by red kryptonite.

https://s7.postimg.org/x35t8n0q3/image.jpg

He was brought down to a physically sick Lex level and Lex immediately teleported him to his tower just after Superman nearly drowned.

That's just a shit example to show when Superman has dozens of examples where he has shown plenty of skill.

Lex also specifically asked Mxy to be able to defeat Superman. So someone a fat man with a stub hand could beat, which a guy who has two hands, is much more atheletic, and much taller should be beyond..

Originally posted by cdtm
Here's the entire sequence.

Ok that's better. So you agree that the original posted scans can be interpreted as Superman being suckered and not fully gaining full coherence?

This scan does not prove much anyway.

1. Superman has had much training since then
2. Superman has over a thousand years experience
3. Superman has superior feats that contradict this one
4. It still can be argued that the initial blow kept Superman from being fully coherent (reflexes decrease significantly from a jarring strike). Luther punched before Superman could respond.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok that's better. So you agree that the original posted scans can be interpreted as Superman being suckered and not fully gaining full coherence?

This scan does not prove much anyway.

1. Superman has had much training since then
2. Superman has over a thousand years experience
3. Superman has superior feats that contradict this one
4. It still can be argued that the initial blow kept Superman from being fully coherent (reflexes decrease significantly from a jarring strike). Luther punched before Superman could respond.

Superman is still a punching bag in Rebirth.

That just show that even in 1 thousand years Superman is still a noob in combat !

Originally posted by h1a8
Luther

Ok, enough is enough.

You are not a teacher, you're a joke. Officially, this time.

Lex Luthor is not to be confused with Martin Luther King. Get your shit together, h1.

--
Agreed on the initial strike thing, but you also need to f*cking consider that Luthor was an obese cripple.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Superman is still a punching bag in Rebirth.

That just show that even in 1 thousand years Superman is still a noob in combat !

I gave 4 points. You attack one of them.
Although point 3 kills your point.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave 4 points. You attack one of them.
Although point 3 kills your point.

My point kills all your points at the same time.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ok, enough is enough.

You are not a teacher, you're a joke. Officially, this time.

Lex Luthor is not to be confused with Martin Luther King. Get your shit together, h1.

--
Agreed on the initial strike thing, but you also need to f*cking consider that Luthor was an obese cripple.


I gave 4 points. Each one kills your stance. Together they say you are the joke.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
My point kills all your points at the same time.

Point 3 kills your rebirth argument (although I have never seen what you are talking about

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave 4 points. Each one kills your stance. Together they say you are the joke.

I'm not the one who confuses comic book characters with historical figures... kill yourself.

H1, Stiltman's liver is in ITS FINAL STAGES!!!

Grant him this LAST attempt at glory!!

Originally posted by h1a8
Point 3 kills your rebirth argument (although I have never seen what you are talking about

Superman is punched like a punching bag in Rebirth too.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
H1, Stiltman's liver is in ITS FINAL STAGES!!!

Grant him this LAST attempt at glory!!

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterySharpDuckbillcat-size_restricted.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterySharpDuckbillcat-size_restricted.gif

REMEMBER, YOU'VE BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELF!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
H1, Stiltman's liver is in ITS FINAL STAGES!!!

Grant him this LAST attempt at glory!! I'll give him yours after I'm done with you.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'll give him yours after I'm done with you.

IF YOU SEEK DEATH I WILL OBLIGE YOU!!!

So much Skills !


0 attacks blocked or avoided and get pwned like a punching bag !

https://i.imgur.com/9ZmxTjx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yKMcuiA.jpg

That doesn't prove anything. You are wasting your time.

1. You didn't get around point #3
2. It's PIS as Superman has ftl perceptions.

And reflexes are not skills. It's speed.
Human Skillful fighters are faster than non skillful ones in perception speed because they trained to be.
Two characters with equal stats implies equal perception speeds.

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't prove anything. You are wasting your time.

1. You didn't get around point #3
2. It's PIS as Superman has ftl perceptions.

And reflexes are not skills. It's speed.
Human Skillful fighters are faster than non skillful ones in perception speed because they trained to be.
Two characters with equal stats implies equal perception speeds.

Superman's combat feats debunk your fan-fictive version as a whole.

There is nothing to attack because the points that you are bringing doesn't exist.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Superman's combat feats debunk your fan-fictive version as a whole.

There is nothing to attack because the points that you are bringing doesn't exist.

Would the Superman you're showing WIN against Kobra?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Would the Superman you're showing WIN against Kobra?

There was 0 skills involved in his fight with Kobra, that was alike a drunk fight in a bar.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
There was 0 skills involved in his fight with Kobra, that was alike a drunk fight in a bar.

YOUR SENTRY LUST HAS DRIVEN YOU MAD!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
YOUR SENTRY LUST HAS DRIVEN YOU MAD!!!

I'm just stating a fact.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
There was 0 skills involved in his fight with Kobra, that was alike a drunk fight in a bar.

Kobra was probably not accustomed to Batman's body... while Clark the Peasant was swinging wild like always, no difference for him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Kobra was probably not accustomed to Batman's body... while Clark the Peasant was swinging wild like always, no difference for him.

So true !

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Superman's combat feats debunk your fan-fictive version as a whole.

There is nothing to attack because the points that you are bringing doesn't exist.

Correct! And he has combat feats that exceed the PIS ones you are trying to show. That's why point 3 destroys this. In a forum Superman has super fast perceptions. Posting scans where he doesn't is just posting PIS showings.

You basically showed lack of reflexes and perception. Not lack of skill.

Morals Off, everyone on that list can one-shot Superman, even killing him with a single move

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Morals Off, everyone on that list can one-shot Superman, even killing him with a single move Not with equal stats. He would make a good fight with anyone on the list looking at his best feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not with equal stats. He would make a good fight with anyone on the list looking at his best feats. https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111183084/4023987-5565392417-12465.jpg
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/183/879/1318188300003.gif

Originally posted by h1a8
Not with equal stats. He would make a good fight with anyone on the list looking at his best feats. Are..are you serious? Sometimes I feel like you legit worship Superman

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct! And he has combat feats that exceed the PIS ones you are trying to show. That's why point 3 destroys this. In a forum Superman has super fast perceptions. Posting scans where he doesn't is just posting PIS showings.

You basically showed lack of reflexes and perception. Not lack of skill.

They aren't PIS.

Superman's whole career make him an unskilled punching bag.

It's just you whom has poor reading comprehension skills.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
They aren't PIS.

Superman's whole career make him an unskilled punching bag.

It's just you whom has poor reading comprehension skills.
So idiot trolling as usual from you? Got it.

Has a solid B lister.

Insanity. Wonder Woman/Thor types would be B or B- fighters. Cyclops, Punisher etc are B+ or A-. Batman, Wolverine, Captain America etc. are A list.

Superman is a C list fighter. There's enough doubt that there that when rendered powerless, if a writer has him get his ass kicked, no body would bat an eye. There are also comics where he displays skills and references he was taught by Batman and Wonder Woman. That's what makes him C list, not D.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Insanity. Wonder Woman/Thor types would be B or B- fighters. Cyclops, Punisher etc are B+ or A-. Batman, Wolverine, Captain America etc. are A list.

Wonder Woman is easily more skilled than Thor. So is Superman.

Yeah right. Superman has beaten down skilled fighters among even kryptoninan who are stated to be equals or even better than himself in powers.

He is easily B level in skills, able to fight Zod, Non and Ursa at the same time, able to get upper hand on Zod with his skills alone, beats down Wraith who chumped Diana, beats down Phantom King who was stated to be equal to him by skills.

Heck he has repeatedly matched Orion in fights, the dog of war himself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Insanity. Wonder Woman/Thor types would be B or B- fighters. Cyclops, Punisher etc are B+ or A-. Batman, Wolverine, Captain America etc. are A list.

Superman is a C list fighter. There's enough doubt that there that when rendered powerless, if a writer has him get his ass kicked, no body would bat an eye. There are also comics where he displays skills and references he was taught by Batman and Wonder Woman. That's what makes him C list, not D.

Supermans record s easily on par with Thor who is on par with Diana. Marvel fanboy bias preferences isn't an argument.

Superman is on par with Thor in skill like Martian Manhunter is on par with Superman in power. Possible, but highly f*cking unlikely.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman is easily more skilled than Thor. So is Superman.

Yeah right. Superman has beaten down skilled fighters among even kryptoninan who are stated to be equals or even better than himself in powers.

He is easily B level in skills, able to fight Zod, Non and Ursa at the same time, able to get upper hand on Zod with his skills alone, beats down Wraith who chumped Diana, beats down Phantom King who was stated to be equal to him by skills.

Heck he has repeatedly matched Orion in fights, the dog of war himself.

Superman is easily more skilled than Thor in h2h...Top 5 dumbest things you've said.

I don't even know what your disagreement is. You saw Thor above Superman and it triggered you? How is Superman B level in skill. It would require him being competitive with people like Punisher, Winter Soldier, Tim Drake etc which is utterly retarded. If you disagree, I'll make the vs. threads.

You think Superman is much more skilled than Thor? Fine, knock Thor down to C list. That makes way more sense than putting Superman in b list in terms of skill. Utterly idiotic and ignores any common sense. Even when he utilizes his superior skills, he acknowledges and references that he learned from fighters of another caliber.

Someone pointed out how certain characters are more skilled when they have access to their powers. Makes sense.

https://i.imgur.com/FJ3LlyS_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/VMvCDkt_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Supes has his moments. He's actually used pressure points enough to make me think he'd use them straight up in a skill contest.

Originally posted by Damborgson
https://i.imgur.com/FJ3LlyS_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/VMvCDkt_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Supes has his moments. He's actually used pressure points enough to make me think he'd use them straight up in a skill contest.

Their were black Kryptonians!?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman is on par with Thor in skill like Martian Manhunter is on par with Superman in power. Possible, but highly f*cking unlikely.

Well J'onn is about as powerful as Thor is skilled so maybe.

We can do a BZ on this if you are so sure.

How about that, eh?


He is lower end of the B level and would at least have a competetive fight with most of these characters if they are brought down to human level from any enhancements.

Kobra is at least B level and Superman has already defeated him and also KGBeast trained Russian Zod in equal fight.


Yes, Batman and Wonder Woman who are elite level in skills.

If he was such an incompetent fighter like Thor, Orion would have easily defeated him long ago.

But I like how Thor is B list in your view.

Originally posted by Damborgson
https://i.imgur.com/FJ3LlyS_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/VMvCDkt_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Supes has his moments. He's actually used pressure points enough to make me think he'd use them straight up in a skill contest.
He has locked a kryptoninan level opponent muscles with pressure points.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/3603501-7326273383-73348.jpg

He has even used pressure points on Batman possessed by kryptonite man.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11957/769379-superarts1.jpg

He can even used Tarquasm Rao as a chi technique.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/1303525-adventuresof581a.jpg

He has even taught Lois the same technique to the point she has been able to Astral project herself.

https://s14.postimg.org/pje2h3l5p/image.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/xow4f9h4d/image.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/t3006x3b1/image.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/b06xfpf65/image.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman is on par with Thor in skill like Martian Manhunter is on par with Superman in power. Possible, but highly f*cking unlikely.



Superman is easily more skilled than Thor in h2h...Top 5 dumbest things you've said.

I don't even know what your disagreement is. You saw Thor above Superman and it triggered you? How is Superman B level in skill. It would require him being competitive with people like Punisher, Winter Soldier, Tim Drake etc which is utterly retarded. If you disagree, I'll make the vs. threads.

You think Superman is much more skilled than Thor? Fine, knock Thor down to C list. That makes way more sense than putting Superman in b list in terms of skill. Utterly idiotic and ignores any common sense. Even when he utilizes his superior skills, he acknowledges and references that he learned from fighters of another caliber.

Superman is so skilled that he BARELY beat Thor.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111279017/5099033-8981172626-main-qimg-07fcc06eb7589be07f06fa8c875d5186

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Superman is so skilled that he BARELY beat Thor.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111279017/5099033-8981172626-main-qimg-07fcc06eb7589be07f06fa8c875d5186

You know you make so sense right?

If Superman is able to beat Thor, no matter how unskilled Kal is, it would mean he beat a man who is less skill than him.

That pics you just posted actually make Kal look good, and Thor bad.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
They aren't PIS.

Superman's whole career make him an unskilled punching bag.

It's just you whom has poor reading comprehension skills.

Now you wanna troll me? Ignoring my statements and posting things that have doesn't even address them.

Again showing Superman getting tagged by speeds FAR under light speed is PIS. Perception speed has nothing to do with skill. Please address this.

I can show you Superman doing advanced martial arts, fighting for over a thousand years, doing captain america type maneuvers while powerless.

Thus Superman has the skills to compete. Showing PIS lack of reflexes isn't showing lack of skill.

Originally posted by SquallX
You know you make so sense right?

If Superman is able to beat Thor, no matter how unskilled Kal is, it would mean he beat a man who is less skill than him.

That pics you just posted actually make Kal look good, and Thor bad.

I always read that scene as Superman is barely remembering, not that he remembers barely beating him.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Someone pointed out how certain characters are more skilled when they have access to their powers. Makes sense.

Some of Cap skills comes from his speed (which is enhanced), his reflexes (which is enhanced), and his durability to take a hit and keep fighting (which is enhanced).

These ADD to the perception of his skill. DD's radar sense adds to his.
Batman is the only one that legitimately uses Only skill and no super powers.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Someone pointed out how certain characters are more skilled when they have access to their powers. Makes sense. Wolverine is an example of that.

People specialize to their strengths and weaknesses.

Yes.

And H1 even Batman has some degree of enhanced durability with his suit. Hell, Spidey has developed his style around his web-shooters.

Rather than a focus on MA skill, I think competence as a fighter w/ all their tools at their disposal is more telling.

Originally posted by SquallX
You know you make so sense right?

If Superman is able to beat Thor, no matter how unskilled Kal is, it would mean he beat a man who is less skill than him.

That pics you just posted actually make Kal look good, and Thor bad. the fact that thor is physically weaker, less durable, and much slower means that he's far more skilled. Epsecially since he was fighting someone that can literally percieve the movement of light.

The difference between the two of them is like the difference between a welter weight and a heavy weight boxer. The fact that thor almost beat someone that's hilariously faster than him should speak volumes regarding superman and his overall lack of skill.

That's assuming a: it's canon

B: you read it in that interpretation

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes.

And H1 even Batman has some degree of enhanced durability with his suit. Hell, Spidey has developed his style around his web-shooters.

Rather than a focus on MA skill, I think competence as a fighter w/ all their tools at their disposal is more telling.

I guess it's a way of looking at why high powered beings who are 'street skilled' aren't as effective against 'powerset skilled' guys , though there's exceptions, obviously.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well J'onn is about as powerful as Thor is skilled so maybe.

We can do a BZ on this if you are so sure.

How about that, eh?
He is lower end of the B level and would at least have a competetive fight with most of these characters if they are brought down to human level from any enhancements.

Kobra is at least B level and Superman has already defeated him and also KGBeast trained Russian Zod in equal fight.


Yes, Batman and Wonder Woman who are elite level in skills.

If he was such an incompetent fighter like Thor, Orion would have easily defeated him long ago.

But I like how Thor is B list in your view.

You want to do a battle zone where your stance is that Superman is easily more skilled than Thor?

Okay, deal! My last exam is April 27th, we can do it that immediate weekend.

FINALLY! Me and Abhilgend are having a battle zone!

You think Superman in human form would be competitive with people like Cyclops, Winter Soldier, Tim Drake, Jason Todd etc. in hand to hand?

Yes, yes, we know Superman beat King Cobra that one time. You've mentioned it many times, we've all seen it.

I rank Thor/Orion/Wonder Woman as B- in skill. Maybe C+ depending on who is in the b category. I have no problem putting them down to C. You're the one who seems to be personally insulted because it's pretty clear Superman isn't in the tier.

An honest portrayal

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Originally posted by SquallX
You know you make so sense right?

If Superman is able to beat Thor, no matter how unskilled Kal is, it would mean he beat a man who is less skill than him.

That pics you just posted actually make Kal look good, and Thor bad.

Nope. Superman is vastly stronger than Thor physically.

Thor didn't use any of his magical powers so he was basically fighting with two handicaps.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You want to do a battle zone where your stance is that Superman is easily more skilled than Thor?

Okay, deal! My last exam is April 27th, we can do it that immediate weekend.

FINALLY! Me and Abhilgend are having a battle zone!

You think Superman in human form would be competitive with people like Cyclops, Winter Soldier, Tim Drake, Jason Todd etc. in hand to hand?

Yes, yes, we know Superman beat King Cobra that one time. You've mentioned it many times, we've all seen it.

I rank Thor/Orion/Wonder Woman as B- in skill. Maybe C+ depending on who is in the b category. I have no problem putting them down to C. You're the one who seems to be personally insulted because it's pretty clear Superman isn't in the tier.

I would if it was a TEAM BZ.

We make a team, Abhi make his team.

Every teammates chose a character. XD

Originally posted by SquallX
Their were black Kryptonians!?

Yes, there have been for awhile.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You want to do a battle zone where your stance is that Superman is easily more skilled than Thor?

Okay, deal! My last exam is April 27th, we can do it that immediate weekend.

FINALLY! Me and Abhilgend are having a battle zone!

Finally your life would have any meaning.

Yes. In skills at least. Hell when he was Depowered and trapped in Gotham in convergence, he was a street level hero for a year.



And Thor fought alongside Cap. I know.

Pretty clear to who? You and the rest of the idiot Thorbags?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's assuming a: it's canon

B: you read it in that interpretation oh, I'm not assuming or even pretending that it's canon. Just pointing out that Squall's interpretation of what superman winning means makes no sense at all.

Unskilled*

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
FINALLY! Me and Abhilgend are having a battle zone!

i swear, if you phukers are teasing me again.....

and we need some stakes for something this grand. carry the winner's sig, make your avy a photo of the winner...something. this is too big. i'm soooo excited!

Originally posted by leonidas
i swear, if you phukers are teasing me again.....

and we need some stakes for something this grand. carry the winner's sig, make your avy a photo of the winner...something. this is too big. i'm soooo excited!

Digi really did scar you.

Rage was clearly lying!

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has locked a kryptoninan level opponent muscles with pressure points.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/3603501-7326273383-73348.jpg

He has even used pressure points on Batman possessed by kryptonite man.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11957/769379-superarts1.jpg

He can even used Tarquasm Rao as a chi technique.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/1303525-adventuresof581a.jpg

He has even taught Lois the same technique to the point she has been able to Astral project herself.

https://s14.postimg.org/pje2h3l5p/image.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/xow4f9h4d/image.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/t3006x3b1/image.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/b06xfpf65/image.jpg
So we're attributing Lois' feats to Superman.
Bottom of the barrel equals scratched.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Digi really did scar you.!

sadangel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Finally your life would have any meaning.

Yes. In skills at least. Hell when he was Depowered and trapped in Gotham in convergence, he was a street level hero for a year.



And Thor fought alongside Cap. I know.

Pretty clear to who? You and the rest of the idiot Thorbags?

A battle zone on April 29th then?

If I lose, I won't post in any Thor related threads for a year. If you lose, you do the same for Superman.

The loser also carries the winners sig of choice.

Is 3 judges cool? We can have that one tie-breaker.

https://i.gifer.com/3gsJ.gif

Originally posted by leonidas
sadangel

I FEEL NO REMORSE!!!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

If I lose, I won't post in any Thor related threads for a year. https://i.imgur.com/QzfS1Vw.jpg
http://askastudent.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/stevecarrelldontyoudare.png

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A battle zone on April 29th then?

If I lose, I won't post in any Thor related threads for a year. If you lose, you do the same for Superman.

The loser also carries the winners sig of choice.

Is 3 judges cool? We can have that one tie-breaker.
Whoever loses carry the sig of so.

It's ok with judges.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Whoever loses carry the sig of so.

It's ok with judges.

What?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?
If you lose you have to put it on your sig.

Like posts on the message board, so are the days of our lives.

Well well!! This should be good.

Realitywarper, JBL, Carver, time to judge!

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well well!! This should be good.

Realitywarper, JBL, Carver, time to judge!
Well thats a brain trust right there.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well well!! This should be good.

Realitywarper, JBL, Carver, time to judge!

The three apostles of idiocy

Who would even be trusted to judge?

Leo
Galan
Digi
Delph
Beatboks

That's about it.

I'll judge.

I'm fair and impartial.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'll judge.

I'm fair and impartial.
https://media.giphy.com/media/PxxRZLbQ8MJmU/giphy.gif

I'd happily judge. I'm actually interested in the match, and don't have a horse in this race.

Originally posted by SquallX
The three apostles of idiocy

I didn't know you had two twins.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Who would even be trusted to judge?

Leo
Galan
Digi
Delph
Beatboks

That's about it.

I take personal offense in not making this list while that hack Digi does.

Unless you were being sarcastic. In which case Beatboks has never done anything to deserve making that list biscuits

What does 'easily more skilled mean'? As in it's very clear?

Yes.

Originally posted by Bentley
I take personal offense in not making this list while that hack Digi does.

Unless you were being sarcastic. In which case Beatboks has never done anything to deserve making that list biscuits I never see anyone going around saying "Oh that Bentley showed me a great Kang feat, he's a real tuffy."

No, it's always just about Beatboks. It's "Beatboks blew me away with these Typeface feats, he might be my fav character now." Or "Like Beatboks says, a yogurt a day keeps the Chris Benoit thoughts away."

He's the guy everyone thinks of when they come here. Everyone loves him. Bentley? He's a poster on this site, and no one can take that away from him, but a Beatboks he is not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

You should ban multiple characters for a year.

Originally posted by Mindset
https://i.imgur.com/QzfS1Vw.jpg
http://askastudent.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/stevecarrelldontyoudare.png

Originally posted by abhilegend
If you lose you have to put it on your sig.

If I lose, I'll use whatever sig you want man, no problemo.

Leonidias, Bentley, and Martian Mind can judge if they are still down.

Three post maximum? We each do an opening post. I can go first or you can. We will present our initial arguments. We will then proceed to make two more posts each about our case.

Your stance: Superman is easily more skilled than Thor, who is an incompetent fighter in comparison. Yes or no?

My stance is: No bueno.

Phil is right, we should extend this. If I lose, I cannot post in any MARVEL character related threads. If you lose, you cannot do so for any DC character related threads.

Yay!

i'm definitely down.

Leo thinks Hulk beats Thor in a standard matchup, are you sure about this Rage?

Leo hates abhi with a passion so it evens out.

I assume this is about hand to hand combat, no?

You should stop setting limitation bets. Someone is going to break it and nothing will be done.
You should do a sigbet where the winner has to wear a sig of the other guys choosing or make for a month. Within whatever rules are left of the forum

And also define what you're even arguing. Are Superman/Thor fighting each other depowered? Are you just arguing one is more skilled than the other without them fighting? Or are they doing martial arts demonstrations?



Speaking of sigbets and piquing my own interest, I'll sigbet for a month on whether the hammer gets destroyed by the sun. I'm on the fence with what he'll write (considering the foreshadowing, the words, and the next series is literally Thor forging hammers) but I'm going to say it doesn't get destroyed by the sun.

Who wants to give me a sig?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If I lose, I'll use whatever sig you want man, no problemo.

Leonidias, Bentley, and Martian Mind can judge if they are still down.

Three post maximum? We each do an opening post. I can go first or you can. We will present our initial arguments. We will then proceed to make two more posts each about our case.

Your stance: Superman is easily more skilled than Thor, who is an incompetent fighter in comparison. Yes or no?

My stance is: No bueno.

Phil is right, we should extend this. If I lose, I cannot post in any MARVEL character related threads. If you lose, you cannot do so for any DC character related threads.
My argument is that Superman is more skilled overall than Thor in using his powers to do a task. Focus will be on h2h but all powers will be included too.

Whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You should stop setting limitation bets. Someone is going to break it and nothing will be done.
You should do a sigbet where the winner has to wear a sig of the other guys choosing or make for a month. Within whatever rules are left of the forum

And also define what you're even arguing. Are Superman/Thor fighting each other depowered? Are you just arguing one is more skilled than the other without them fighting? Or are they doing martial arts demonstrations?



Speaking of sigbets and piquing my own interest, I'll sigbet for a month on whether the hammer gets destroyed by the sun. I'm on the fence with what he'll write (considering the foreshadowing, the words, and the next series is literally Thor forging hammers) but I'm going to say it doesn't get destroyed by the sun.

Who wants to give me a sig?
I will take that bet. If the sun destroys the hammer you've to use Dr Strange knocking out Galactus as your sig.

Deal?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You should stop setting limitation bets. Someone is going to break it and nothing will be done.
You should do a sigbet where the winner has to wear a sig of the other guys choosing or make for a month. Within whatever rules are left of the forum

And also define what you're even arguing. Are Superman/Thor fighting each other depowered? Are you just arguing one is more skilled than the other without them fighting? Or are they doing martial arts demonstrations?



Speaking of sigbets and piquing my own interest, I'll sigbet for a month on whether the hammer gets destroyed by the sun. I'm on the fence with what he'll write (considering the foreshadowing, the words, and the next series is literally Thor forging hammers) but I'm going to say it doesn't get destroyed by the sun.

Who wants to give me a sig?

Good point. A sigbet should be sufficient, but 1 month ban from all Superman or Thor related threads makes a lot more sense.

His initial challenge to me is that Superman is easily more skilled than Thor and the context was unarmed combat.

So I guess it won't be Thor vs. Superman, even unarmed. Abhiligend will present a case on why he thinks Superman is easily more skilled (Fighting skill) than Thor. I will present a case as to why that is blatantly untrue.

You're on ragey boy.

I WANT YOU TWO TO HAVE SEX RIGHT NOW

You're not making much sense. You say we're on, but your last post completely changed the parameters of the the original challenge you issued me:
Originally posted by abhilegend
My argument is that Superman is more skilled overall than Thor in using his powers to do a task. Focus will be on h2h but all powers will be included too.

Whatever floats your boat.

Here is a reminder of your challenge:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Insanity. Wonder Woman/Thor types would be B or B- fighters. Cyclops, Punisher etc are B+ or A-. Batman, Wolverine, Captain America etc. are A list.

Superman is a C list fighter. There's enough doubt that there that when rendered powerless, if a writer has him get his ass kicked, no body would bat an eye. There are also comics where he displays skills and references he was taught by Batman and Wonder Woman. That's what makes him C list, not D.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman is easily more skilled than Thor. So is Superman.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Superman is easily more skilled than Thor in h2h...Top 5 dumbest things you've said.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well J'onn is about as powerful as Thor is skilled so maybe.

We can do a BZ on this if you are so sure.

How about that, eh?

We were talking specifically about fighting skills. This is VERY different:
"My argument is that Superman is more skilled overall than Thor in using his powers to do a task. "

That's a MUCH broader scope. Don't shift the goal posts here little buddy.

Your argument and challenge was very clear. Specifically hand to hand fighting skills. I don't care if Superman can blitz someone while blasting them with heat vision.

It's just unfortunate that you equate pressure point utilization to greater skill. You think being a Superman fan, you'd understand that fundamentals are more important. Or from reading Captain America/Hercules/Wonder Woman that technical knowledge =/= efficiency and skill.

But that's what the battle zone is for.

Here comes the execuses...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're not making much sense. You say we're on, but your last post completely changed the parameters of the the original challenge you issued me:


Here is a reminder of your challenge:





We were talking specifically about fighting skills. This is VERY different:
"My argument is that Superman is more skilled overall than Thor in using his powers to do a task. "

That's a MUCH broader scope. Don't shift the goal posts here little buddy.

Your argument and challenge was very clear. Specifically hand to hand fighting skills. I don't care if Superman can blitz someone while blasting them with heat vision.

It's just unfortunate that you equate pressure point utilization to greater skill. You think being a Superman fan, you'd understand that fundamentals are more important. Or from reading Captain America/Hercules/Wonder Woman that technical knowledge =/= efficiency and skill.

But that's what the battle zone is for.
I will do both. Proving Superman superior in h2h skills and applying his powers to different tasks.

Happy now?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Here comes the execuses...
That's for sun and mjolnir.

Shang Chi is more skilled then Gorgon.

Skill can only do so much.


Unless you're Val Armorr. Kind of hard to downplay the skills of someone when they fight Damamites and Flash's, and the narrative makes it plain this is NOT pis, and that the practitioner has no powers whatsoever.

On the other edge of the scale.....Hulk.

How are we defining skill, btw? Because I don't want to read stuff like 'here he is winning a fight, this means he's skilled'.

Because by that methodology, Hulk is the most skilled.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
On the other edge of the scale.....Hulk.

How are we defining skill, btw? Because I don't want to read stuff like 'here he is winning a fight, this means he's skilled'.

Because by that methodology, Hulk is the most skilled.

Gamma fu.

Spider beats Matt. Is Spidey more skilled?