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No prep.
No BFR.
10 foot start distance.

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Cool sig. Vader wins almost every time.

Originally posted by riv6672
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No prep.
No BFR.
10 foot start distance.

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Going by recent comic portrayals?

Danny would have one hit KO'd that cyber Rancor that was giving Vader so much trouble..

Fist punches through the lightsaber

They only start 10' apart?


It just depends whether Danny can do this:
http://i.imgur.com/ir8zeBNm.png


Before Vader can do this:
http://i.imgur.com/t2IDER7m.jpg

Iron Fist punches the force choke back at Vader. Worst case scenario is he punches his own throat which overloads Vader's hand and blows it up.

Originally posted by Galan007
They only start 10' apart?


It just depends whether Danny can do this:
http://i.imgur.com/ir8zeBNm.png


Before Vader can do this:
http://i.imgur.com/t2IDER7m.jpg

Or he could simply throw a ki ball:

http://readcomics.io/images/manga/iron-fist-the-living-weapon/2/21.jpg

That is the biggest scan in the entire world.

Lord Rand deserves no less.

Anyways, in all seriousness, Danny's stock has steadily risen for the past few decades.

Even I never would have argued he could walk off getting his back broken, but that's exactly what Bendis had him do. And he's taken abuse on par with Wolverine on several occasions, such as taking a fall from airplane heights, and just walking it off.

Vader can toss him around, maybe. But do any sort of real damage?

He's have to completely immobolize him and cut his head off, pretty much. And he couldn't even choke a Rancor because of a metal plate around its neck, much less use the force to throw it around. He ended up spearing it with a thrown lightsaber.

Try that on any Marvel martial artist, they'd avoid it and break the device..

Originally posted by cdtm
Anyways, in all seriousness, Danny's stock has steadily risen for the past few decades.

Even I never would have argued he could walk off getting his back broken, but that's exactly what Bendis had him do. And he's taken abuse on par with Wolverine on several occasions, such as taking a fall from airplane heights, and just walking it off.

Vader can toss him around, maybe. But do any sort of real damage?

He's have to completely immobolize him and cut his head off, pretty much. And he couldn't even choke a Rancor because of a metal plate around its neck, much less use the force to throw it around. He ended up spearing it with a thrown lightsaber.

Try that on any Marvel martial artist, they'd avoid it and break the device.. You're very generously playing up iron fist while simultaneously lowballing vader. Vader's shown that he can easily lift and crush a multi ton AT-AT. He easily lifted an AT-ST after it fell on him. How exactly is rand going to resist him crushing his heart or brain?

Even his durability is ridiculous. He tanked a nuclear reactor going critical and blowing up the facility he was in. He walked off a sith temple blowing up underneath him. He even tanked having a whale ship flown directly into the Executor and the resulting explpsion that damaged the star destroyer.

Current Vader did none of those things.

But even if he did, none of those feats are beyond Iron Fist. He'a suvived nukes and destroyed the better part of a city with a single punch. At his best, he punch's out peers of Thor and reality warping, civilization soul reaping otherworldly demons.

Originally posted by cdtm
Current Vader did none of those things.

But even if he did, none of those feats are beyond Iron Fist. He'a suvived nukes and destroyed the better part of a city with a single punch. At his best, he punch's out peers of Thor and reality warping, civilization soul reaping otherworldly demons. 1. You just lied.

2.Try to educate yourself on who it is that you're talking about before making false statements.

3. Still no answer for having his heart crushed.

4. What's stopping Vader from using his tk to stop danny mid punch?

5. You're highballing.

^^^Thanks ds & cdtm. I'm more confused than ever.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
That is the biggest scan in the entire world.
I've seen bigger.

Originally posted by deathslash
You're very generously playing up iron fist while simultaneously lowballing vader. Vader's shown that he can easily lift and crush a multi ton AT-AT. He easily lifted an AT-ST after it fell on him. How exactly is rand going to resist him crushing his heart or brain?

Even his durability is ridiculous. He tanked a nuclear reactor going critical and blowing up the facility he was in. He walked off a sith temple blowing up underneath him. He even tanked having a whale ship flown directly into the Executor and the resulting explpsion that damaged the star destroyer.

Is that from the currents books or from Legends?

Originally posted by Kazenji
Is that from the currents books or from Legends?

Sounds like Legends stuff to me.

They did have crazy stuff back then. But the last Vader story before the current one was a lot more in keeping with movie power levels.

Basically, he could slaughter mooks all day, but not bring down f'n Star Destroyers or raze worlds with Force Storms.. Put Optimus Prime in front of EU Vader and he tears him apart. Bring in the Vader of that last series, and he gets stepped on.

Like I said, a modified Rancor was basically knocking him all over the room. And Vader couldn't choke him out, because of a metal plate put in its throat.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Thanks ds & cdtm. I'm more confused than ever.



I'm kind of confused too, since I just lied, and have no idea what I'm lying about.

Can a lie be a higball? Isn't it one or the other?

Originally posted by deathslash
Alright, I know it's been like a full day since you posted this, but I needed time to properly research for my counter argument. Here it goes:

1. This is indeed his fight to lose. I'll explain below.

2. Is this really a statement? Fine, I'll indulge you and prove that his durability is enough.
Has two AT-ST's fall on top of him. Gets up without even a single scratch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PFK1YmIwgls

Tanks AT-AT blasts:
https://m.imgur.com/TYNSlIc

Gets bashed by an adrenaline enhanced Rancor. Just fine:
https://m.imgur.com/UqvwLpB

Survives being on a whale ship as it literally crashes and explodes on impact with the Executor:
https://m.imgur.com/a/NPTeC

Survives the destruction of an entire weapons factory.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5125553-vader+survives+factory+explosion.jpg

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5125554-vader+survives+factory+explosion2.jpg

With that said, I'm not sure how Arkady is even going to hit him since he can do this:
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5125548-blocks+flames.png

And this:
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5125550-force+bubble+protects+from+rubble.jpg

And since he's fast enough to block all of these:
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5125590-creates+dozens+of+after+images.jpg

4. And yet in his most recent fight with Deadpool, he solidly lost and was even getting cut up by Wade's completely normal sword. Have you actually read anything with Omega Red in it recently? He's tough, but not nearly what you're making him out to be.

5. Force choke is clearly one of his go to methods for killing.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/4628382-chokes+an+imperial+orbiting+the+planet+he+was+on.jpg

https://m.imgur.com/LLog4Hi

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/5008371-double+force+choke.jpg

Matter of fact, choking people or snapping their necks is what he does almost every time. This is immediately after taking AT-AT fire btw:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111220339/4628392-withstands+atat+fire+and+breaks+a+clones+neck.jpg

6. How will the coils reach him if Vader holds him a safe distance away? Better yet, how will the coils hit the guy that essentially was first holding off
https://m.imgur.com/CzS8H8V

And then beating an enhanced version of Grievous:
https://m.imgur.com/a/4HmLN

Or fighting two cybernetically enhanced warriors with 20 years of training.
https://m.imgur.com/a/lSANN

And then having the upper hand even when he gets jumped:
https://m.imgur.com/a/s5zxq

Oh my, is this Vader going for the easy win with tk?
https://m.imgur.com/a/CaLh4

If you want, I can post some more scans or sources, as this has been a very fun discussion, but still:
https://i.imgur.com/tlaq5zU_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high yeah, I already had this argument with Sin back in the Vader vs Omega Red thread. All of these are current canon feats too...

And again, Danny KO'd Bres.

Hell, a drunken half god Herc can tank everything on your list that Vader endured.

I'm not saying these aren't impressive durability feats, but I think you need to see more of Iron Fist in the same way you think we need to see more of Vader.

His name's Deathslash, not Deathpunch. If the character isn't cutting something up, he doesn't want to hear about it

You should post feats of Danny karate chopping things apart if you want to reach Deathlacerations.

Originally posted by cdtm
And again, Danny KO'd Bres.

Hell, a drunken half god Herc can tank everything on your list that Vader endured.

I'm not saying these aren't impressive durability feats, but I think you need to see more of Iron Fist in the same way you think we need to see more of Vader. *sigh* Hercules is a high herald. Even with only half of his power, he'd still be a low herald. If he were drunk, of course the pain wouldn't effect him as much. Also, where exactly is Hercules coming from? Stop trying to drag this into left field and stay on topic.

okay, I'm going to say this again. You still have yet to mention how Danny is going to resist let alone survive getting his heart crushed. You still have yet to acknowledge that you've been massively lowballing Vader. You still have yet to acknowledge that you quite literally lied about Vader having none of these feats.

Originally posted by deathslash
*sigh* Hercules is a high herald. lol

Originally posted by deathslash
his fights against Thor, hulk, the thing, Ares, Sentry, and several others is all the evidence that you should need..... I don't think you know how we define tiers here. You're registered in 2013, so probably not.

Magneto would literally rape Hercules with a pole, and he's low-herald.

Many of the low-heralds would savage Hercules:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t447826.html

Originally posted by deathslash
*sigh* Hercules is a high herald. Even with only half of his power, he'd still be a low herald. If he were drunk, of course the pain wouldn't effect him as much. Also, where exactly is Hercules coming from?

I'm glad you said all this and not me



https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292180/5675453-2870105825-38342.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm glad you said all this and not me



https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111292180/5675453-2870105825-38342.jpg


cool. So since you haven't addressed him getting his heart crushed, I'm going to assume that you concede.

Assume away. Gotta stick to your strengths.

Originally posted by cdtm
Assume away. Gotta stick to your strengths. hmm, seems like your true strength is deflecting.

"Herc is a high herald. So what?"

*Posts scan of Danny KO'ing Herc.*

"Now about that heart crush.."

Originally posted by cdtm
"Herc is a high herald. So what?"

*Posts scan of Danny KO'ing Herc.*

"Now about that heart crush.." the difference is that I've never once denied that danny could take him out with a punch. You however, haven't even once addressed him getting his heart crushed, having his neck snapped, being held in place with tk and then decapitated, or any of the other myriad of ways that vader can kill him. Everytime it's been mmentioned, you deflected to looking at vaders lack of durability and then lowballed his tk.

Danny could win in a comic. Forum fight goes to Vader, though.

tk is just so damn hard to argue against.... if he could release some type of AOE attack WHILE being heart squeezed, or choked or pinned, he COULD possibly stun vader and have a chance to attack. but vader's durability is pretty damn high and the odds seem pretty stacked against danny to pull off something like that....

Originally posted by deathslash
the difference is that I've never once denied that danny could take him out with a punch. You however, haven't even once addressed him getting his heart crushed, having his neck snapped, being held in place with tk and then decapitated, or any of the other myriad of ways that vader can kill him. Everytime it's been mmentioned, you deflected to looking at vaders lack of durability and then lowballed his tk.

Lowball how? I cited an example from his last Darth Vader series.

You want to know how he can fight by having a vital organ crushed? The same way he always does.. Chi amping. He's been shot through the heart, and healed up. He's had his back broken, and got back up and fought (Without healing it. Later, a nurse confirmed his back was still broken.)

If he had trouble crushing a Rancor's reinforced throat, Danny can certainly protect himself with chi amping.

Originally posted by cdtm
Lowball how? I cited an example from his last Darth Vader series.

You want to know how he can fight by having a vital organ crushed? The same way he always does.. Chi amping. He's been shot through the heart, and healed up. He's had his back broken, and got back up and fought (Without healing it. Later, a nurse confirmed his back was still broken.)

If he had trouble crushing a Rancor's reinforced throat, Danny can certainly protect himself with chi amping. you used his single most unimpressive feat as proof that he'd have trouble with Danny. That is literally lowballing. Not only that, but you compounded the lowballing by not even rescinding the statement when far better feats were presented to you.

There's a difference between getting shot in the heart and having his heart crushed. One does damage once allowed Danny to heal and the other is continuously stopping the flow of blood to/from the heart while also crushing it.

Again, you're lowballing. He's already demonstrated the telekinetic strength to lift two AT-ST's at the same time as well as hold an AT-AT in place while crushing it. You are literally looking at the bottom of the barrel and saying that it's his average. Hell for all we know, the throat of that rancor was reinforced with durasteel.

Going by the most current version is NOT low balling. Legends Darth Vader stories have no more relevence to current then pre crisis has to post crisis Superman (Although an argument can be made for this merged business, but that's another debate.)

Originally posted by cdtm
Going by the most current version is NOT low balling. Legends Darth Vader stories have no more relevence to current then pre crisis has to post crisis Superman (Although an argument can be made for this merged business, but that's another debate.) ......are you purposely ignoring what I'm saying or are you having trouble reading? Literally everything that I've stated so far has been and still is canon.

Originally posted by cdtm
Vader can toss him around, maybe. But do any sort of real damage?

He's have to completely immobolize him and cut his head off, pretty much. And he couldn't even choke a Rancor because of a metal plate around its neck, much less use the force to throw it around. He ended up spearing it with a thrown lightsaber. So lets say Vader touched his index finger to his thumb and crushed Danny's trachea, and/or heart... What happens next, iyo?

my guess? he chi amps, powers through and smacks vader, or maybe shuts off pain (thought i saw him do that....) and powers through somehow? which, given some of danny's durability feats, doesn't sound COMPLETELY crazy, but the starting distance is an issue. or he'd maybe say he unleashes a chi blast then, but not sure that would work. ground smash to stagger vader? possibly...? i'm just guessing at his responses they just don't seem that likely imo given the power of vader's tk.

Originally posted by Galan007
So lets say Vader touched his index finger to his thumb and crushed Danny's trachea, and/or heart... What happens next, iyo? Danny gets up and punches Vader's face in.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm kind of confused too, since I just lied, and have no idea what I'm lying about.

Can a lie be a higball? Isn't it one or the other?
You would think so.

I cant complain though. Some good responses in among the silly ones.

Originally posted by Galan007
So lets say Vader touched his index finger to his thumb and crushed Danny's trachea, and/or heart... What happens next, iyo?

I'm not convinced he could crush it that easily.

Getting on my rant soapbox, Danny is one of the most underrated characters in comics, even today.

I mean, Prince of Orphans does this to him:

http://readcomics.io/images/manga/iron-fist-the-living-weapon/3/17.jpg

http://readcomics.io/images/manga/iron-fist-the-living-weapon/3/18.jpg

http://readcomics.io/images/manga/iron-fist-the-living-weapon/3/22.jpg

And people still act like he's street level.

Blasted from K'un L'un in another dimension, into the sky and back to Earth like a missile. If it was Wolverine, this would be on every shortlist of feats.

And yeah, I know those are way too big. All my photobucket stuff is locked, so I need to find another service, and I'm just grabbing what I can find for now.


But maybe THIS TIME PEOPLE WILL SEE THEM.

Posted these scans about five times, and I don't think anyone's really noticed them yet.

Do you think anyone is really going to scroll all over the page to read that annoying mega-scan?

Just post a LINK, ffs.

Looks like you scrolled past it.

We're past easily skipped links.

TRY IGNORING IT NOW.

just post to imgur....

Or postimg.org

Or install a chrome add-on

He will do none of those things, guys. He's going to keep posting page-breakers that no one reads.

Originally posted by Galan007
He will do none of those things, guys. He's going to keep posting page-breakers that no one reads.

Yes, I can see how no one is reading this thread.


I do appreciate the advice from Abhi, Darksaint, and Leo though.

I will try to avoid the obnoxiously large images. Except in anime. Just to annoy Galan.

P.P.S.

Or probably if it's Iron Fist.

Seriously guys, tell me that's not an impressive feat, and that you were aware it existed.

I'm cool with it if so, I'm a fan and most people aren't. It is what it is, I'm just saying: Doesn't this prove he's pretty damned durable, with chi amping?

Basically a launch Kamehameha to the face, and even skips like a stone on impact.

Originally posted by cdtm
P.P.S.

Or probably if it's Iron Fist.

Seriously guys, tell me that's not an impressive feat, and that you were aware it existed.

I'm cool with it if so, I'm a fan and most people aren't. It is what it is, I'm just saying: Doesn't this prove he's pretty damned durable, with chi amping?

Basically a launch Kamehameha to the face, and even skips like a stone on impact. 1. Yes, we've all seen it.

2. He "skipped like a stone" in snow. Not incredibly impressive there. The initial survival of the chi blast is impressive, but not so much so that it's out of Vader's league.

3. Those feats a from like two years ago. Currently, he's clearly capable of being injured and even Elektra left him bleeding like a virgin.

4. Refer to my last post on the second page. I'd like to finish this debate.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, I can see how no one is reading this thread.


I do appreciate the advice from Abhi, Darksaint, and Leo though.

I will try to avoid the obnoxiously large images. Except in anime. Just to annoy Galan.
Good, i dont post in anime.

As for who's reading this, i do wish the site still enabled the thread view feature.

Vader withstood the explosion of one of the largest Imperial bases in the galaxy (canon). He can easily tank a chi blast and one shot Danny with Tk