What is that stuff MADE of ?!?

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bluewaterrider
Most surprising showings, high, low, or in-between, from some of comicdom's "Chemical X" creations (Captain America's Shield, Thor's hammer, Mjolnir, etcetera). Can sub other interesting material or material-like substances at will.


Silk's webbing versus Spider-Man's webbing versus ... the Hulk ?!?

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One Big Mob
Wow, that's a showing that really made me wonder what that stuff is made of!?

Philosophía
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/243/howdoishotweb.jpg

StiltmanFTW

leonidas
laughing out loud

bluewaterrider
Don't know what any of you are going on about, and I'll bet you don't, either.
Hulk conventionally rips Spider-Man's standard webbing, and here we see this simulcrum kick down a thick, presumably steel, bank vault door, with no more apparent difficulty than a man kicking over a dinner table.

Yet Silk's webbing, not even being an inch thick, bonds the "Hulk" fast.

That's some impressive material strength, jokes notwithstanding.

StiltmanFTW
Do you have to be so awkward in every single one of your posts?

I get that some people are like this, but still. You've spent eleven years with us, no need to be *that* awkward anymore stick out tongue

celeyhyga17
Don't look now, Silk may be a herald of the laceferian age...
Dun, dun, dun.....!

xJLxKing
Sugar. Spice. And everything nice

Insane Titan
Ask h1 he thinks certain galaxies are made out of fluff.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't look now, Silk may be a herald of the laceferian age...
Dun, dun, dun.....!

laughing out loud

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=589178&pagenumber=1

Forever KMC canon.

Flyattractor
Silks Webbing < Petey's Webbing because
Silk's Webbing = Girl Power.

And in SJW Comic Book Land. Girl Power is the GREATEST Force of the ALL!

StiltmanFTW
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riv6672

Parmaniac
That LMD is not on Hulk's level, as stated by Chameleon.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Parmaniac
That LMD is not on Hulk's level, as stated by Chameleon.
It was almost at Hulk level

riv6672
Chameleon never said that.

abhilegend
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riv6672
Equivalent means same as, not equal to.
So he never said it.

riv6672

bluewaterrider
S'what I get for posting a thread too close to All Fools' Day.

I'll know better than to post anything I want actual good responses to on April 1st, April 2nd OR March 31st in the future now.


Riv, if there's anything you want explained, let me know and I'll do my best to answer.


Anyway, continuing.

Captain America's shield versus Count Nefaria:

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... and for better context:

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/37130272/image.jpg.html

riv6672
No, i know the difference between equal and equivalent, thank you.

bluewaterrider
Supergirl versus ... Cosmic Masonry?


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Philosophía
Blue, what type of pills do you take?

bluewaterrider
I'm tempted to answer "red pills" just to see if I find a traveling salesman at my door sometime this week ...

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Source: Supergirl #21
Circa: August 2013



Tags: I'Noxia, Crix, N-10, Dramonicus, Shay Veritas, Darkmatter Building

DarkSaint85
I don't think they're working, tbh.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't think they're working, tbh.


If you're talking about the comic book scans, let me know, for there really was a problem with TurboImageHost a few days back. I'll try using Imgur or even KMC's own image host provider to post if absolutely necessary.

Philosophía
Yeah, turboimagehost gives fits.

You should use this site:

https://www.walgreens.com/pharmacy/scheduler/scheduler_home.jsp

Galan007
wtf is happening here?

Philosophía
Originally posted by Galan007
wtf is happening here? We're having an intervention to cure bluewaterrider's condition.

One Big Mob
Blue is an awesome poster. He posts so much different stuff from comics, that you know he actually likes the stuff. I was just laughing at the title of the thread personally. The thread itself is interesting.

Blue you ever think about making a respect thread for a lesser known character?

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Galan007
wtf is happening here?



The thread is essentially a "Material versus ____" thread.

For instance the 1st post features Silk's webbing versus Hulk-level strength.
Surprisingly, Silk's webbing wins, and is able to bind the "Life Model Decoy" or LMD of Hulk. The average reader, though apparently very few of the people responding here, might reasonably wonder "Wow! What in the world could Silk's webbing be made of that it can stop a character that can kick a bank vault door down? That's insane!"

Note that my other submissions follow this model.

Count Nefaria, for instance, is arguably stronger than Hulk-level opponents like Thor used to be, and demonstrates a portion of his strength by casually uprooting a 40-story building. He thinks his ability to lift thousands of tons of concrete and steel should enable him to crumple Captain America's shield with ease. Surprisingly... it doesn't. Again, a case where people, in or outside of the story, would reasonably react with "Wow. What in the world could that be made of to stop THAT level of strength?"


Now unfortunately I created the present thread right after April Fools' Day AND after trying to help a poster understand her sister's reaction to a gift given her little nephew. The sister apparently identifies as some sort of Jehovah's Witness or Protestant, the poster asking what we thought she should do does not.

You can find my post and that particular discussion here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=362941&pagenumber=15372

As you can see when you read that, someone decided to make fun and link to one of the many threads I titled to be Google-searchable, though arguably the single most controversial I've ever posted owing nearing exclusively to ONE word used in the title.

Most respondents are made fun of in the thread I linked you to above.
For whatever reason, people are trying to carry my roast over here, perhaps because I'd never posted in the other thread I just linked you to anytime before then, and haven't since then.

Maybe this is my initiation.
Certainly has the FEEL of a rush week ...




Anyway, that's the information you need to make the most sense of what you're seeing in this thread.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Blue is an awesome poster. He posts so much different stuff from comics, that you know he actually likes the stuff. I was just laughing at the title of the thread personally. The thread itself is interesting.



Material science/phenomena/etcetera are big in the world of Spider-Man readers. Finding the answer to this thread's title question concerns Pete in more arcs than you might realize. Perhaps the most well-known case originated with Marvel's original Secret Wars series:

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Sources: Secret Wars #7, #8, and #9, Volume 1
Circa: 1985

bluewaterrider
Longtime fans know that the questions asked here about Spider-Man's costume and webbing have answers with very long reaching ramifications:


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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #257
Circa: October 1985


Tags: Puma, Mary Jane, Black Cat, ID

bluewaterrider
From Reed Richards, Spider-Man learns that what he thought was merely cool clothing material ...

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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #258
Circa: November 1985

bluewaterrider
The costume turns out to be alive.
And, disturbingly, parasitic. It is, in fact, an alien symbiote that must combine with a host and take over it in order to live.
Reed Richards manages to free Spider-Man and safely contain it , but, this is comics, so the thing escapes of course and manages to recombine with its favorite "other" ...

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Source: Web of Spider-Man #1
Circa: 1986

DarkSaint85
Is that Venom?

Galan007
*Carnage

bluewaterrider
Somebody called it already, though it will take a retcon, for with the help of a Vulturion, one of 4 wonderfully colorful villains who I unfortunately never saw after Web of Spider-Man #3, the saga of Spider-Man's "black costume" ends with a strangely beautiful sacrifice:

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Source: Web of Spider-Man #1
Circa: 1986

bluewaterrider
One note to ward off confusion:

NOT every time you see the black Spider-Man outfit is it the symbiote.

In point of fact, Peter's girlfriend at the time, one Felicia Hardy (bka The Black Cat) actually sewed a replacement for him, a fact I as a reader stumbled upon very early on in my 2nd or 3rd Spider-Man book ever (the last of the 3 sets of submissions in the following scans)

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Source: Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man #99




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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #263


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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #267

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Galan007
*Carnage

Where is the red? Was Carnage black?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where is the red? Was Carnage black?

Carnage was an African, before he met Michael Jackson who used him as a test subject for the Super White Serum.

bluewaterrider
So I've finally found something neither you nor Galan are familiar with, D.S.

In point of fact, YOUR guess was the one that was right and it was you who called it, though you did not know it. The Symbiote was retconned back into existence and combined with Eddie Brock to make the once-villain we call "The Lethal Protector" now, Spider-Man's dark, distorted fun house mirror analog, in the Amazing Spider-Man #300:

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DarkSaint85
Wait he looks blonde there

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait he looks blonde there

laughing out loud

Have mercy on him.

bluewaterrider
It rather amazes me to see how well certain aspects of the story arcs of Marvel in the 1980s were thought out and knit together. Note how the answer to the question, "What is Spider-Man's webbing made of?", posed in Spider-Man #257 by Puma, is answered more than FORTY issues later ... and proves the key to bigger, stronger Venom's safe defeat:

Writers did their homework back then!

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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #300
Circa: May 1988

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

Have mercy on him.

Well someone is lying to me. That doesn't look like an African American.

bluewaterrider
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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #272
Circa: January 1985



Tags: Slide Slyde Teflon Tallon "Webs? What webs?"

Parmaniac
Originally posted by riv6672
Chameleon never said that. And what in your eyes does "near-equivalent Powers" mean in Cham's context?

Mindship
I'm still working on what these things are made of --

- the floor in the testing room where all-star Superman was pressing upward with the equivalent force of, what, quadrillions of tons??

- the earth-weight benchpressing machine Nu Superman wasn't getting tired on.

Riddle me those.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Parmaniac
And what in your eyes does "near-equivalent Powers" mean in Cham's context?


I can't know exactly what Riv has in mind, however, being a long time Marvel reader, I can think of why Chameleon's Life Model Decoy (LMD) of the Hulk would not be truly equal in formidability to the actual Incredible Hulk many of us know and love. The LMD could be, and most likely is, static.

Remember that Chameleon is describing his LMDs as a whole. Iirc, there are LMDs of the X-Men and/or some of the rest of the Avengers. Most people probably know of these characters, in-universe, from one or two defining traits and/or their complementary actions. For instance, Cyclops shoots lasers from a mono-slit visor worn over his eyes. Angel flies with Cherub/Seraphim wings. IceMan looks like crystal snow and makes things cold. Shiro makes people hot. Storm makes people wet.

And so on.

Hulk's claim to fame is being strong enough to physically shape the world around him in impossible ways and smash things.
Paint a robot green, give him Moose Mason's dialogue, equip him with servos and hydraulic press devices disguised as digits and limbs, and, you're good to go.

Such an LMD should be able to convincingly display everything you saw in my selection. He's equivalent to Hulk in base level strength, in other words.

However, as most readers know, though this would fool the average resident of the Marvel Universe, this would not be the equal of Hulk. For Hulk has DYNAMIC strength. He can actually exceed his "maximum" calculated levels of power.
The average robot, at least in the Marvel Universe, cannot. He wouldn't get stronger.

Let Peter David illustrate for you through Ben Grimm how a character can figure out that, whatever material a robot is made of, it's NOT necessarily equal to the Hulk in composition:

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Source: Incredible Hulk #350
Circa: December 1988

Parmaniac
The latest Spider-Man/Deadpool comic should have shown that some of those LMDs are far from their real counterpart.

One Big Mob
Blue, do have scans of Cap's shield being made along with the materials?

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Blue, do have scans of Cap's shield being made along with the materials?


I searched and found an entry by Quora for you, following the exchange here between Reed Richards and She-Hulk:

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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #259 (?)
Circa:1984



This CapShield origin looks surprisingly old.
I still need to locate what issue it's from.

Surprising to me because I thought Cap's shield was originally adamantium.
If it was, they must have retconned that a fair while ago:

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One Big Mob
Neat. If you find more, post them up.

Nice to see it being said on panel to be way stronger than adamantium though. You always hear about it, but seeing is believing.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Neat. If you find more, post them up.

Nice to see it being said on panel to be way stronger than adamantium though. You always hear about it, but seeing is believing.



In the following arc from long ago, Molecule Man describes Captain America's shield as even more exotic than Mjolnir, Thor's hammer, OR the board of the Silver Surfer:

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Source: The Avengers #s 215 and 216
Circa: January-February 1981

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