Originally posted by StyleTime
There was a statement. The whole bit about the tainted energy is indicating she's trying it again.
Considering Tony was getting his asked kicked by Karnak and Black Panther in that arc, who was literally restraining him, it's clear Tony has taken a hit. His upgraded armor didn't propel him as far up in the power tiers as you think. There aren't hard rules about how much any given blast will amp her btw. Which is fine, though there's a jump from being taken out by the energy to absorbing it and becoming stronger. There however is a middle ground.
Even so, that is a disturbingly large jump off one energy attack. Again, taking her previous history into account I'd think that an impossible task to make it look as easy as she did without Binary.
But we both agree she got an unofficial amp.
While I don't agree it was great, it was only one shot to a weak point and BP pulled the Surfer hold on him. Then Carol comes out of nowhere to hit him twice which didn't ko him. Ass kicked is stretching that. They didn't exactly do anything to him besides the armpit elbow. Carol cracked his shell though.
As for your comment on his power, your boy Brain Mikal Bennis said he intended the armor to be stronger than a Hulkbuster armor
http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/155184149377/was-iron-mans-buster-in-civil-war-ii-stronger
Complete piece of shit but still. That makes it even worse.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Additionally, you say that Thanos was being written down. That makes it entirely probable that those other players(who hit harder than you think) did tons of damage to him in this interpretation. He was stumbling out of the team assault like he was about to die. Oh I agree they did tons of damage, too much in fact. The issue is that Carol was shown to do more damage, land more attacks and even in Bendis land is written far above most of them. If Dazzler is doing so much damage, then Carol is doing more. The only one who seemed to do more damage was Human Torch with his initial attack... which... ****... but anyway, she did the majority of the damage - was shown that, and it follows considering my next point.
Also those lesser players probably hit softer than I think, but I digress.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Carol needed 4 attacks to do the same damage as Dazzler in 2...and she was amped. I'm being colorful, but these numbers mean little. This is far more of a breakdown than that showing deserves, and is trying to apply some semblance of meaning to a Bendis showing.
This entire part is Carver 101 so, yeah, you've been warned.
Well let's think about this in terms of Bendis logic or as we'll call it, Bending Logic.
Binary >> Captain Marvel > Hulkbuster Iron Man > Iron Man = War Machine
In the only real comparison between Cap (or Binary at least) vs Blue Marvel under Ewing, she is portrayed as a ways above him. So we'll assume just a wee bit above him for safety.
Blue Marvel is or should be far and away more powerful than anyone else on the team. Carol is above him.
What those numbers mean is that Carol attacked him more than a bunch of people she's more powerful than, some by a hefty amount as the rest fall on par or below War Machine. Bendis logic puts her far above him. Other stuff puts her above the actual capable members as well.
What this leads us to, is that even under the Bends she was doing more damage in relation to the others than the numbers indicate. And if she's already attacking the most... a lot more damage. It was a team effort yes, but she was still putting in more power output at least than Blue Marvel. Who should be doing a lot more damage than everyone else.
If you want to split that further up while going full Carver:
1 Blue Marvel will be used much like the Herc system.
Binary = Blue Marvel for the sake of this
How many Blue Marvels do you think Human Torch, War Machine, and Dazzler would output in one attack? Let's be fair and add 1. They each attacked twice, which is 2 Blue Marvels.
We'll call Spectrum half a BM, which gives the rest of the team 6 BMs.
Carol is at 4 Blue Marvels
The rest of the team is at 6 BMs. I took a BM this morning as I do every morning.
The total combined output needed to take down Thanos in that scene was 10 BMs. Carol is a 4 BM girl. That is 2/5s the power needed to beat Thanos. 10 of her attacks should put down Thanos.
I'm not proud of that.
Anyway...
The conclusion is she did a lot of work in that fight with only 4 attacks. I don't see how that's avoidable to come to from looking at the scans. You have a whole bunch of shit characters doing shitty things (outside Spectrum/BM) and Carol was the big gun.
Originally posted by StyleTime
The scene in no way indicates that though. We'd be in agreement on a lot of things, but you keep trying to wedge this in there.
Regardless, we're about to go in circles arguing something potentially minor. We agree she's been upgraded. I just think you're exaggerating. You haven't concretely placed her for me, so I've got little to respond to other than the Thanos comparison. That scene was pretty awful and every shot was landing hard. I wouldn't put it past the slippery **** to have her solo Thanos considering the foundation he laid there.
My intention was never to place her either, only to show her doing things previously thought impossible. To show that the writers can slip her to where ever they want really and to show she had some sort of amp since Hickman (or more accurately since the dyke hair) under the "right" writers. You ended up agreeing with me that she has an amp.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
That was under Hickman though with normal power. Once Bendis got his bald headed chicken fukker hooks in her is when she shot way up.
Bendis Binary vs Hulk would be a fight. Bendis Captain Marvel actually vs Hulk would likely be a big one. Even under Ewing she shot up pretty high as well, and she's accepted as more powerful than Blue Marvel under seemingly normal instances.
I don't think we even have an in universe explanation either. I know people are like "Tony's suits are shit" but that Civil War 2 fight was a huge disparity in what Carol used to be and what she is now. Raping Iron Man in a big super suit is far beyond her previous paygrade.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Where do you place her on the conventional KMC tier list?
Bendis is easily high herald.
Ewing probably should be as well counting Binary.
The rest probably averages her out to mid herald at best. High meta to low herald depending on who's writing her. Whatever Hickman was writing Cap at seems like a safe bet for her average outside Benewingis.
I'm just waiting for her to fight Thor now that's he's a dude again.