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I'm here to discuss topics on why Hulk is above Herald tier when it comes to power. Let this be a friendly debate please. I will be using fts within a 10 yr time period since I think he has grown in power since then. Since this isnt a battle zone or anything, my scans will not be rushed. Try not to stray away from the topic. No DC characters are in need of mention in a thread that is strictly about a Marvel character. I will provide my argument shortly.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm here to discuss topics on why Hulk is above Herald tier when it comes to power. Let this be a friendly debate please. I will be using fts within a 10 yr time period since I think he has grown in power since then. Since this isnt a battle zone or anything, my scans will not be rushed. Try not to stray away from the topic. No DC characters are in need of mention in a thread that is strictly about a Marvel character. I will provide my argument shortly. I'll spare you the torture.

Because the forum is not the same as comic books, where characters forget their powers.

In comic books, he can KO Surfer. On the forum, the latter reverses gravity and throws him into a black hole.

Replace Surfer with Graviton, Magneto, Polaris, Exodus,Jack Hawksmoor, Manchester Black, and the result stays the same.

Hulk fits right in at low herald, when a dozen of the people in that lowest-herald tier can beat him alone.

Well, he isn't. There you go.

Hulk is indeed above HH in strength. No doubt about that.

But see what happens when, for example, an amped Savage Hulk (or WWH, whatever you want to argue) fought Thor.

Thor admitted he couldn't use physical means to beat Hulk.

Then BFRd him.

I want you all to take off the bias glasses for a bit and think about it. There are characters in the trans tier listing that can be bfred with no way of returning. Let's look pass this please. I will reply with my comment soon.

Funny the first 3 people to reply are Superman fans.

Why don't you ever choose Hulk in BZs?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why don't you ever choose Hulk in BZs?

The same reason ABHI doesn't choose Superman.

I don't even wear glasses, though I really should. Words are blurry now. Things aren't as Carver sharp as they used to be.

Thick black rimmed glasses and open mouthed smiles for me. Also a beard and I'll have to shave off a good portion of my front hair. That will be my life soon.

Originally posted by carver9
The same reason ABHI doesn't choose Superman.

Because JBL stole him? I agree.

Now, why don't you choose Hulk?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because JBL stole him? I agree.

Now, why don't you choose Hulk?

Lol... that isnt his only BZ, crazy. Anyways, let's stay on topic please. This isnt about me battle zoning. I'll provide my stance on my lunch.

Originally posted by carver9
The same reason ABHI doesn't choose Superman. Do you want a Magneto vs Hulk battlezone?

Is that what you're taking from this thread? That I want to BZ.

He challenged Sin to a BZ last week, I think he has time on his hands.

Originally posted by carver9
I want you all to take off the bias glasses for a bit and think about it.
https://media.tenor.co/images/43c87e08d3858256c4493e64b2c4c501/raw

Originally posted by carver9
Is that what you're taking from this thread? That I want to BZ. Wouldn't the best way to prove your point be to show he stomps a guy in Hulk's own low herald tier before you try to move him at least 3 other tiers up?

Magneto is abstract level though, Gypsy

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Magneto is abstract level though, Gypsy The twist will be that Magneto would be the one moving tiers after roflstomping him

Originally posted by carver9
I'm here to discuss topics on why Hulk is above Herald tier when it comes to power. Let this be a friendly debate please. I will be using fts within a 10 yr time period since I think he has grown in power since then. Since this isnt a battle zone or anything, my scans will not be rushed. Try not to stray away from the topic. No DC characters are in need of mention in a thread that is strictly about a Marvel character. I will provide my argument shortly.

hes that strong when pushed...its everything else thats lacking.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
hes that strong when pushed...its everything else thats lacking.

And the things that he lacks, he powers through it. This is the reason people are mentioning bfr. I dont think that should hold a character back. Thor could port Prime into a portal almost every single time. Surfer can as well but Prime rests comfortably above them. HP Doomsday could be ported off by cloak, but he rest comfortably above him. Blink could beat him 10/10 but again, this doesn't change his tier. This only gets thought about when it involves the Hulk who have fts of overpowering bfr anyways.

Hulk used to fit nicely into Low Herald with the ability to compete once he got angry enough and the opponent's PIS-factor was ramped up to 10.

He has been much tougher to place since WWH. There's definitely been a silent upgrade or something, because more often than not he operates at WWH-ish levels at all times, see Hickman's run.

The much vaunted and little seen Worldbreaker has to go into the trans tier.

Originally posted by carver9
And the things that he lacks, he powers through it. This is the reason people are mentioning bfr. I dont think that should hold a character back. Thor could port Prime into a portal almost every single time. Surfer can as well but Prime rests comfortably above them. HP Doomsday could be ported off by cloak, but he rest comfortably above him. Blink could beat him 10/10 but again, this doesn't change his tier. This only gets thought about when it involves the Hulk who have fts of overpowering bfr anyways. Ok, I'll try again.

Magneto vs Hulk without BFR.

Originally posted by carver9
And the things that he lacks, he powers through it. This is the reason people are mentioning bfr. I dont think that should hold a character back. Thor could port Prime into a portal almost every single time. Surfer can as well but Prime rests comfortably above them. HP Doomsday could be ported off by cloak, but he rest comfortably above him. Blink could beat him 10/10 but again, this doesn't change his tier. This only gets thought about when it involves the Hulk who have fts of overpowering bfr anyways.
Like the time Starbrand punched him into orbit, or Challenger did. Or Thor did.

Right?

Phil, I'm not doing a battle zone. We could do a battlezone where I had Surfer and you was repping Cyclops and I would lose. You're better than me at those. You have far more experience. My thread isnt to attract a battle zone, its to prove a point. We have been going 2 pages off topic. The plan that I want for this thread is for me to post my reasoning and you all debating against THAT reason.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like the time Starbrand punched him into orbit, or Challenger did. Or Thor did.

Right?



Never said it couldnt happen, said that he has shown resistance in the past against it.

When?

Originally posted by carver9
Phil, I'm not doing a battle zone. We could do a battlezone where I had Surfer and you was repping Cyclops and I would lose. You're better than me at those. You have far more experience. My thread isnt to attract a battle zone, its to prove a point. We have been going 2 pages off topic. The plan that I want for this thread is for me to post my reasoning and you all debating against THAT reason.

Originally posted by carver9
And the things that he lacks, he powers through it. This is the reason people are mentioning bfr. I dont think that should hold a character back. Thor could port Prime into a portal almost every single time. Surfer can as well but Prime rests comfortably above them. HP Doomsday could be ported off by cloak, but he rest comfortably above him. Blink could beat him 10/10 but again, this doesn't change his tier. This only gets thought about when it involves the Hulk who have fts of overpowering bfr anyways.

DD is flash quick. He could blitz most before they can act. Thats why it's nigh impossible to Bfr him.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Hey, the guy is talented at BZ's. I'll give him props on that. There's a couple of people on this forum that is just amazing at doing them. Phil sucks at every day debating but he is good at presenting write ups in BZ's.

Originally posted by carver9
Phil, I'm not doing a battle zone. We could do a battlezone where I had Surfer and you was repping Cyclops and I would lose. You're better than me at those. You have far more experience. My thread isnt to attract a battle zone, its to prove a point. We have been going 2 pages off topic. The plan that I want for this thread is for me to post my reasoning and you all debating against THAT reason. I used to know somebody who'd invent new games/rules, every time he lost the one he was playing.

He's dead now. Just FYI.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD is flash quick. He could blitz most before they can act. Thats why it's nigh impossible to Bfr him.

No, he cant. Are you saying he can cover the distance before anyone can do anything about it? His reflexes are sharp but I never knew of Doomsday as a runner.

@Phil...

Let's discuss this because it seems like it is still fresh in your mind and there could be a hint of trauma involved. Did you know him? Is he a close friend, lover, family member?

Originally posted by carver9
Hey, the guy is talented at BZ's. I'll give him props on that. There's a couple of people on this forum that is just amazing at doing them. Phil sucks at every day debating but he is good at presenting write ups in BZ's.
You're talented too. In running away.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're talented too. In running away.

From what? I am still posting in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
@Phil...

Let's discuss this because it seems like it is still fresh in your mind and there could be a hint of trauma involved. Did you know him? Is he a close friend, lover, family member?

He was a close friend.

His father left him when he was little, so he had a hard time adapting to social groups. He also cried a lot, sometimes mid-game, so we kept switching games, and doing what he liked. We looked around nervously thinking if we should say something, but eventually we got used to it. He also spoke a lot of incomprehensible gibberish, but we figured it's his way of making sense of all his emotions. After a few years he turned to alcohol, drugs and, eventually, he died choking on Hulk's cock.

I'm done. I'm done for today.

Originally posted by carver9
From what? I am still posting in this thread. Originally posted by abhilegend

Looking forward to the feats

With a thread title like this, you can't accuse the op of bias, that's for certain.

Current Captain Marvel is stronger than WWH by beating marvel buster armor stronger than Hulk buster armor.

Originally posted by carver9
I want you all to take off the bias glasses for a bit and think about it. There are characters in the trans tier listing that can be bfred with no way of returning. Let's look pass this please. I will reply with my comment soon.

Now you've gone and called out the dogs. They're going to rip huge chunks out of your anus, leaving bone and gristle to fester in the sun. Way to go Carver.

Originally posted by carver9
And the things that he lacks, he powers through it. This is the reason people are mentioning bfr. I dont think that should hold a character back. Thor could port Prime into a portal almost every single time. Surfer can as well but Prime rests comfortably above them. HP Doomsday could be ported off by cloak, but he rest comfortably above him. Blink could beat him 10/10 but again, this doesn't change his tier. This only gets thought about when it involves the Hulk who have fts of overpowering bfr anyways.

Im not referring to bfr.

Hulk imo is HH. He does not consistently display trans tier power. Yes it is hinted at or alluded to but he rarely goes full trans mode. It is the same for most in his class save Superman.

Cant think of a single Herald that has consistently been up played as much as the Hulk. It's extremely freaking hard finding a lost for him and Marvel has been throwing nothing but highs his way while hinting at him being the most powerful being on Earth. Hell, writers have went on to say he is the most powerful being in the Universe and he is being compared to the Phoenix, a Celestial killing machine and even Galactus himself. I guess I can start posting scans now.

This attack was powerful enough to kill "any" being on the planet and not only did Hulk withstand the initial attack, it began to become far more powerful within him and he was still handling it...


http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24617869_The_Totally_Awesome_Hulk_2015-_001-016.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24617870_The_Totally_Awesome_Hulk_2015-_001-017.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24617871_The_Totally_Awesome_Hulk_2015-_001-018.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/24617872_The_Totally_Awesome_Hulk_2015-_001-019.jpg

A part of Hulk created Annihilus, a being that was near equal to Thanos...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22242446/Thanos_vs._Hulk_003-019.jpg.html

If anyone remembers Thanos fight against Annihilus, it lasted almost an entire comic. Well, Hulk punched him once and it damaged him...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734466/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-012.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734467/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-013.jpg.html

That isnt the ft though. Hulk endured the cosmic rod (hope everyone is familiar with this) for a while and when the attack was done, he was still in peak condition...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734468/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-014.jpg.html

Annihilus is even surprised Hulk is still standing after the attack.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734468/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-014.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734470/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-015.jpg.html

After the attack is over, Hulk bounce right back up fighting...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22734473/Thanos_vs._Hulk_004-017.jpg.html

" was powerful enough to kill "any" being on the planet"

that's obvious hyperbole

People can bash Ironman all they want but the guy is durable when he is armored up. He has withstood hits from Namor, to Wonderman, from Thor to cosmic Heralds like Surfer and even Sentry and Starbrand. I cant think of a time where Tony has been one shot koed. Someone is entitled to fill me in on that. Anyways, his gets out of his normal armor and ramps up in a more powerful armor. He unleash 100% maximum power on Hulk who walks through it and takes him out in a single hit.




http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644404_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-002.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644345_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-003.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644349_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-004.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644357_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-005.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644364_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-006.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644369_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-007.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19644377_Original_Sin_-_Hulk_vs._Iron_Man_004-008.jpg

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
" was powerful enough to kill "any" being on the planet"

that's obvious hyperbole

From Tony and Tchalla? I doubt that.

Will post combat showings as well... not tonight though. Here Hulk punch a ship that was towering mountains (it was actually bigger than continents, will post that later), across space and he was at a calm state...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17319504/Avengers_v524.NOW-024.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17319505/Avengers_v524.NOW-025.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17319506/Avengers_v524.NOW-026.jpg.html

He punch clean through a shield that even Excaliber couldnt breach...


http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16636619_Indestructible_Hulk_13_008.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16636620_Indestructible_Hulk_13_009.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16636621_Indestructible_Hulk_13_010.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
He punch clean through a shield that even Excaliber couldnt breach...


http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16636619_Indestructible_Hulk_13_008.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16636620_Indestructible_Hulk_13_009.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16636621_Indestructible_Hulk_13_010.jpg

How powerful is Excaliber?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
How powerful is Excaliber?

Killed a skyfather in a single shot iirc and in the same story as the scans I posted, it was cutting through time...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16636496/Indestructible_Hulk_13_017.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16636498/Indestructible_Hulk_13_018.jpg.html

Question, will you be using all version of Hulk?

And do we get to refute ?

Originally posted by carver9
Killed a skyfather in a single shot iirc and in the same story as the scans I posted, it was cutting through time...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16636496/Indestructible_Hulk_13_017.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16636498/Indestructible_Hulk_13_018.jpg.html

that scaling's kinda iffy. and i don't think "cutting' through time would be quantifiable

Hulk is explicitly more powerful than Surfer. Period.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that scaling's kinda iffy. and i don't think "cutting' through time would be quantifiable
A lot like how Superman has done it on many occassion

http://i.imgur.com/QVo1Tv9.jpg

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Question, will you be using all version of Hulk?

And do we get to refute ?

I'm using Hulk within a 10 yr span and yes, you can refute. I opened it for you all just in case you wanted to go against what I am saying.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
A lot like how Superman has done it on many occassion

http://i.imgur.com/QVo1Tv9.jpg

This has been debunked on so many occasions.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that scaling's kinda iffy. and i don't think "cutting' through time would be quantifiable

What scaling? Cutting through time is a ft though.

I think youre missing the point Carver.


So yes Hulk is strong and granted he has some pretty uber feats. My issue with saying he is trans is that he rarely gets to prove it outside his weight class. He is either depicted fighting a random monster or groups that just want to talk him down. Maybe he needs a decent rogue gallery or do something off planet, i dunno. Imo hes not used very well in marvel. Id like to see him getting some different plots.

Originally posted by carver9
No, he cant. Are you saying he can cover the distance before anyone can do anything about it? His reflexes are sharp but I never knew of Doomsday as a runner.

DD ran more than 0.5km when he attacked DS. Basically DS heard DD get up from the rubble And before he can turn, DD was there beating him up.

DD also attacked the entire JL from about 0.1km back before anyone could react.

DD outran flash in DD wars.

Originally posted by carver9
This has been debunked on so many occasions.

Still lying eh. pathetic.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm using Hulk within a 10 yr span and yes, you can refute. I opened it for you all just in case you wanted to go against what I am saying.
How do I refute?
Do I post a scan of a mid or high herald tier doing something comparable?

Originally posted by carver9
Phil, I'm not doing a battle zone. We could do a battlezone where I had Surfer and you was repping Cyclops and I would lose. You're better than me at those. You have far more experience. My thread isnt to attract a battle zone, its to prove a point. We have been going 2 pages off topic. The plan that I want for this thread is for me to post my reasoning and you all debating against THAT reason. What a humble dude. Heart on gold on this motherphucker right here.

Posters coming back from the dead left and right

Originally posted by Damborgson
Posters coming back from the dead left and right Are you referring to me? I've been here the whole time lol. Don't post as much or debate much anymore, but I've been here.

Pretty sure I've seen Neme in the movie vs forum and I'm certain Neme in the star wars vs forum.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Are you referring to me? I've been here the whole time lol. Don't post as much or debate much anymore, but I've been here.

Ah, my mistake! Good to see you regardless

Originally posted by carver9
People can bash Ironman all they want but the guy is durable when he is armored up. He has withstood hits from Namor, to Wonderman, from Thor to cosmic Heralds like Surfer and even Sentry and Starbrand. I cant think of a time where Tony has been one shot koed. Someone is entitled to fill me in on that. Anyways, his gets out of his normal armor and ramps up in a more powerful armor

Name a time he prepped beyond his level (Low Herald) and didn't get his armour trashed.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Is the challenge specifically for Carver? No

But it would be nice if it was him. Story wise.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Alright, if you accept I'm down

I'm pent up after this whole tournament.

Let me know when you're ok to start a week before. WWH vs Magneto?

Originally posted by carver9
Phil, I'm not doing a battle zone. We could do a battlezone where I had Surfer and you was repping Cyclops and I would lose. You're better than me at those. You have far more experience. My thread isnt to attract a battle zone, its to prove a point. We have been going 2 pages off topic. The plan that I want for this thread is for me to post my reasoning and you all debating against THAT reason.

Basically, PIS, lol. If you can't do a BZ with proof, it means that one's character is highly dependent on the writer's wank.....and that you're just not as good as the writer in wanking.

For a example. Is Hulk green? Of course. This is without a doubt. I will happily BZ something like that. I can challenge abhi.

Is he greener than Green Lantern? 'oh, abhi is better than me at this, so I won't BZ him'.

IOW, it's well within the realms of doubt. No matter how good Phildo is, he's not going to BZ Magneto being Chinese. Because that's a losing proposition for one side.

But Hulk being able to beat a Low Herald? With BFR turned off? Boom. This is suddenly debatable.

And this is why Hulk is not above HH.

If good ol Carv had actual proof that Hulk is trans he could wipe the floor with everyone in a battlezone who challanges him with low herald.

You'd need like 5 scans and say: That's it I'm done.

Yeah I mean let's take others in the trans tier. Thanos? Zoom? Amazo? SBP? S1M? Silver Age Kryptonians?

Put them up against Magneto,no BFR. See how that goes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basically, PIS, lol. If you can't do a BZ with proof, it means that one's character is highly dependent on the writer's wank.....and that you're just not as good as the writer in wanking.

For a example. Is Hulk green? Of course. This is without a doubt. I will happily BZ something like that. I can challenge abhi.

Is he greener than Green Lantern? 'oh, abhi is better than me at this, so I won't BZ him'.

IOW, it's well within the realms of doubt. No matter how good Phildo is, he's not going to BZ Magneto being Chinese. Because that's a losing proposition for one side.

But Hulk being able to beat a Low Herald? With BFR turned off? Boom. This is suddenly debatable.

And this is why Hulk is not above HH.

I agree, this is why HP Doomsday needs to be knocked down to HH. Blink would beat him 10/10 and she is a meta.

WITH BFR TURNED OFF

READ THE POST. READ PHILDOS CHALLENGE.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WITH BFR TURNED OFF

READ THE POST. READ PHILDOS CHALLENGE.

When I started this thread, did I say anything about a challenge. You all are the ones that went off course. I declined his challenge and you should have left it as is. You're still clinging to it though. If I wanted to do a BZ, i would have done that instead of taking the time to create this thread. What I'm trying to grasp is, why is it so difficult for you to stay on track, especially when I make a thread. Maybe if you used half of this time and actually debated what this thread was made for instead of trying to pressure someone into doing a lame BZ, we wouldve been somewhere by now. You sit here wasting both of our time talking about a BZ when you KNOW I'm not going to do it. You're either doing this for attention (that you tend to crave), or you're trolling.

Well you asked us to refute your statement, that Hulk is not above Herald tier.

Our reasoning is that even with BFR off, many in the herald tier could beat him. Even some Low Heralds.

You declining just shows that even you aren't that confident that this supposed trans/abstract tier Hulk is that.

Like I said, put other trans tier characters in Hulk's place. Do a Superman 1M vs Magneto thread. Or a SBP. Or a Zoom, ora Thanos.

It would be a very short BZ, lol. But Hulk?

battlezone is an what?

and I'd gladly debate Magneto vs Supes or Superman vs Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you asked us to refute your statement, that Hulk is not above Herald tier.

Our reasoning is that even with BFR off, many in the herald tier could beat him. Even some Low Heralds.

You declining just shows that even you aren't that confident that this supposed trans/abstract tier Hulk is that.

Like I said, put other trans tier characters in Hulk's place. Do a Superman 1M vs Magneto thread. Or a SBP. Or a Zoom, ora Thanos.

It would be a very short BZ, lol. But Hulk?

Now we are getting somewhere. Which low Herald can beat Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
Now we are getting somewhere. Which low Herald can beat Hulk?

Magneto.

I'll BZ you if you want. No BFR.

Iron Man with prep (as you used IronMan with prep in your scan). No BFR.

I'll even do WWH if you want. The angriest Hulk bar WBH. The one who defeated Sentry with the power of one million exploding suns as per Reed.

I can also use Reed Richards without his Celestial gun if you want.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Magneto.

I'll BZ you if you want. No BFR.

Iron Man with prep (as you used IronMan with prep in your scan). No BFR.

I'll even do WWH if you want. The angriest Hulk bar WBH. The one who defeated Sentry with the power of one million exploding suns as per Reed.

I can also use Reed Richards without his Celestial gun if you want.

Why do you think Magneto can beat Hulk? What showings are you basing this off of?

Ironman with prep? That wouldnt be Ironman, would it? Ironman can beat anyone with prep. Ironman with prep is above Herald tier.

Who else and please answer the question above.

Originally posted by carver9
Why do you think Magneto can beat Hulk? What showings are you basing this off of?

Ironman with prep? That wouldnt be Ironman, would it? Ironman can beat anyone with prep. Ironman with prep is above Herald tier.

Who else and please answer the question above.

BZ me. Maggy vs Hulk. No BFR. If you think you can.

So you think IM with prep could defeat Zoom? S1M? SBP? Thanos? IOW, the other people who are above Herald?

BZ that as well, if you want.

I'm not just naming people and you just sit there and say nope, nope, nope.

This is why a BZ is needed. I've answered the question, several times.

If you think it's genuinely winnable, then you have no issues facing me, right?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
BZ me. Maggy vs Hulk. No BFR. If you think you can.

So you think IM with prep could defeat Zoom? S1M? SBP? Thanos? IOW, the other people who are above Herald?

BZ that as well, if you want.

I'm not just naming people and you just sit there and say nope, nope, nope.

This is why a BZ is needed. I've answered the question, several times.

If you think it's genuinely winnable, then you have no issues facing me, right?

What has Magneto done for you to think he could beat the Hulk?

Yep, Ironman with prep has assisted in damaging the Phoenix and almost contained it. Ironman with prep also have a God killing machine. He's above Herald tier with prep. Answer this for me, does standard Ironman beat the Hulk? Isnt that the one that is listed as low Herald?

Originally posted by carver9
What has Magneto done for you to think he could beat the Hulk?

Yep, Ironman with prep has assisted in damaging the Phoenix and almost contained it. Ironman with prep also have a God killing machine. He's above Herald tier with prep. Answer this for me, does standard Ironman beat the Hulk? Isnt that the one that is listed as low Herald?

Ironman with tons of help still failed with the Phoenix, lol.

Ironman with prep failed against Maggy.

Ironman with prep failed against Rulk.

Ironman with prep and with an attempt at weakness exploitation failed against Thor.

So you think IM with prep could defeat Thanos? He's above Herald. Zoom? Also above Herald. SBP? S1M? That was my question, please answer it. Because you're just trolling at the moment.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Magneto.

I'll BZ you if you want. No BFR.

Iron Man with prep (as you used IronMan with prep in your scan). No BFR.

I'll even do WWH if you want. The angriest Hulk bar WBH. The one who defeated Sentry with the power of one million exploding suns as per Reed.

I can also use Reed Richards without his Celestial gun if you want.

You think Reed Richards beat Hulk with prep? hahaha hilarious

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
You think Reed Richards beat Hulk with prep? hahaha hilarious

Yup, I can challenge you and Carver together if you want.

Reed Richards with prep. You can have the Hulk, no prep.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup, I can challenge you and Carver together if you want.

Reed Richards with prep. You can have the Hulk, no prep.

Reed with prep couldnt beat Hulk.

Then bz me

BZs eliminate PIS, for sure. So this way, you don't have that crutch to fall back on.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then bz me

BZs eliminate PIS, for sure. So this way, you don't have that crutch to fall back on.

Why would we need to BZ when we have Reed with prep being unable to beat Hulk? I dont get it. You're the same person that said this...

"Ironman with tons of help still failed with the Phoenix, lol.

Ironman with prep failed against Maggy.

Ironman with prep failed against Rulk.

Ironman with prep and with an attempt at weakness exploitation failed against Thor.

So you think IM with prep could defeat Thanos? He's above Herald. Zoom? Also above Herald. SBP? S1M? That was my question, please answer it. Because you're just trolling at the moment."

Because it is my firm belief that when Reed failed to beat Hulk, it was PIS.

A BZ would remove that PIS. I'm not inventing new weaponry or tech, I'll be showing that Reed without PIS could have defeated the Hulk. Using things he has used before and is capable of using and inventing.

And yeah, I am the person who said it. When has Tony's buster armours ever succeeded? Simple q. You say Tony with prep is above Heralds. So who has he beaten with prep?

Answer is no one. Is that PIS? You might argue yes, it is, because hey,Tony is a prep god.

So if it is PIS that his buster armours fail.....you see how using him as an example of Hulk's superiority is silly?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it is my firm belief that when Reed failed to beat Hulk, it was PIS.

A BZ would remove that PIS. I'm not inventing new weaponry or tech, I'll be showing that Reed without PIS could have defeated the Hulk. Using things he has used before and is capable of using and inventing.

And yeah, I am the person who said it. When has Tony's buster armours ever succeeded? Simple q. You say Tony with prep is above Heralds. So who has he beaten with prep?

Answer is no one. Is that PIS? You might argue yes, it is, because hey,Tony is a prep god.

So if it is PIS that his buster armours fail.....you see how using him as an example of Hulk's superiority is silly?

But going by on panel showing (which is what you are doing with Tony), Reed cant beat Hulk. You're contradicting yourself.

Who said anything about Tony armor? I'm talking about Tony prepping period. But again, this isnt my debate, you said Tony and Magneto can beat Hulk. Why can they beat Hulk?

Reed with prep isn't beating Hulk.

Cho-Hulk blows.

That is all.

Reed can pull a gun from his closet to beat a Celestial, but he can't beat Hulk with prep.

Nothing to see here. Ignore the train wreck.

Reed with prep not beating Hulk could be CIS. I mean, they know each other and Reed is pretty arrogant, he could hold back a lot instead of doing easy stuff like Time-bfr Hulk.

Originally posted by Bentley
Reed with prep not beating Hulk could be CIS. I mean, they know each other and Reed is pretty arrogant, he could hold back a lot instead of doing easy stuff like Time-bfr Hulk.

Drop him in that room that Giant Man could't ever reach him in, sit back and enjoy the fun.

im missing the point of this thread. has anyone proven hulk is trans?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
im missing the point of this thread. has anyone proven hulk is trans?

Hulk is slightly above mid tier, at best. All he has is strength, and Daken proved that isn't enough against Skaar (Who beat down Pak Hulk.), as did Doc Oct.

Current Iron Fist would fist Hulk.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
im missing the point of this thread. has anyone proven hulk is trans?


Greg Pak.

When he had Banner become WorldBreaker Hulk.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Greg Pak.

When he had Banner become WorldBreaker Hulk.

And lose to a mere orbital defense laser.

Originally posted by carver9
But going by on panel showing (which is what you are doing with Tony), Reed cant beat Hulk. You're contradicting yourself.

Who said anything about Tony armor? I'm talking about Tony prepping period. But again, this isnt my debate, you said Tony and Magneto can beat Hulk. Why can they beat Hulk?

Because it's PIS when Reed doesn't beat the Hulk.

Has Reed used EVERYTHING he has ever invented against the Hulk? No? Ok then.

YOU were the one who brought up his armour. Read your own posts lol.

So which armours has he used, against people out of his tier, that have succeeded? Simple q.

Baziermarc, as you're so confident, let's have a BZ. No PIS, no Reed trying to calm Hulk down or whatever, no holds barred Reed vs Hulk, with one sided prep for Reed.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Reed with prep isn't beating Hulk.

Then prove it.

I will showcase some exotic toys of Reed's. You will then BZ and say why they wouldn't work.

I may combine techs, so for example, I might combine roller skates and a robot. But just because I've never shown a robot on roller skates, doesn't make it impossible.

You will then debate why it's useless.

Judges of our choosing and mutual agreement will then decide who wins.

Reed with prep, with acces to all his tech, no holds barred fight,vs an enraged Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it's PIS when Reed doesn't beat the Hulk.

Has Reed used EVERYTHING he has ever invented against the Hulk? No? Ok then.

YOU were the one who brought up his armour. Read your own posts lol.

So which armours has he used, against people out of his tier, that have succeeded? Simple q.

Baziermarc, as you're so confident, let's have a BZ. No PIS, no Reed trying to calm Hulk down or whatever, no holds barred Reed vs Hulk, with one sided prep for Reed.

This is the most ridiculous argument ever. I hate when people say things like this. So Reed not using EVERYTHING against Hulk means he was holding back? Black Adam not using EVERYTHING against Superman means he was holding back. Orion not using EVERYTHING against Superman means he was holding back. Silver Surfer not using EVERYTHING against Thor means he was holding back. Hell, every single fight Thor has had, he didn't use a fraction of his abilities which means, he was holding back in 99 percent of his fights. Surfer NEVER use anything in any of his fights, he is always holding back. Has Hulk even used everything in his arsenal in one fight? Cant think of an instance. Yep, he is holding back. Who debate like this?

Seeing a lot of Battle Field Removal (BFR) posts, especially at the beginning of this thread. While I myself think BFR is a good go-to tactic, and would more than likely work in any scenario where elements are given "serious" treatment, it IS worth pointing out that members of the gamma crew have beaten such things before, with the following, arguably, being the most impressive:


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Source: Incredible Hulk #607, Volume 1
Writer: Greg Pak
Penciller: Paul Pelletier
Date: February 17, 2010
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@JL,

The beauty about this is, with this thread, I can post non stop without worrying about time. Also, which scenes are you talking about that Heralds already have?

Originally posted by carver9
This is the most ridiculous argument ever. I hate when people say things like this. So Reed not using EVERYTHING against Hulk means he was holding back? Black Adam not using EVERYTHING against Superman means he was holding back. Orion not using EVERYTHING against Superman means he was holding back. Silver Surfer not using EVERYTHING against Thor means he was holding back. Hell, every single fight Thor has had, he didn't use a fraction of his abilities which means, he was holding back in 99 percent of his fights. Surfer NEVER use anything in any of his fights, he is always holding back. Has Hulk even used everything in his arsenal in one fight? Cant think of an instance. Yep, he is holding back. Who debate like this?

So you can't with all honesty say that every Reed/Hulk encounter is the be all and end all.

And it's not like I am saying he didn't use 100% of his strength, or 100% of his stretchiness. I am saying that he has a anti Hulk weapon that he didn't use in a comic, but in a full capacity forum fight would use.

Still not answeriing me though. You brought Tony and his armour up.

So who has Tony beaten with his special armour, when he jumps a tier? Which mid/high/trans has he actually beaten, please, for his failure to be proof for the Hulk jumping tiers?

lol really? I've read some reed, and he doesn't have anything in his arsenal that'll permanently kill Hulk without BFR

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
lol really? I've read some reed, and he doesn't have anything in his arsenal that'll permanently kill Hulk without BFR

Who said kill?

And yeah, not talking about BFR, although that already means I've won the moral victory by placing restraints on Reed.

Anything goes. Time travel, summoning, whatever Reed can and has been shown to do, vs an enraged Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who said kill?

And yeah, not talking about BFR, although that already means I've won the moral victory by placing restraints on Reed.

Anything goes. Time travel, summoning, whatever Reed can and has been shown to do, vs an enraged Hulk.

outside help counts LOL?

I thought you meant everything in HIS arsenal

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

who has Tony beaten with his special armour, when he jumps a tier?



mmm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWJ-Njeaig

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
outside help counts LOL?

I thought you meant everything in HIS arsenal

Yeah, what he's done himself. No outside help.

I'm not calling on Franklin Richards or Galactus, lol. Just little old Reed. No Doom magicks, or Black Panther or whatever.

Just two combatants, with one guy having prep to do whatever he likes, using his own lab and own resources. No BFR, so if someone leaves the battlefield it doesn't count as a win or a loss. But if one side is incapacitated/killed/dies, they lose.

So I might say Reed digs a very deep hole to put the Hulk in (lol).

You can then counter with scans of Hulk jumping to orbit or whatever you want. Hulk's gamma climbing skills, whatever you wish. And if I cannot counter that argument from you, I lose.

Simples.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
outside help counts LOL?

I thought you meant everything in HIS arsenal

In a comic, why wouldn't it count?

Would have triviliazed World War Hulk, that's for sure. Or Worldbreaker.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, what he's done himself. No outside help.

I'm not calling on Franklin Richards or Galactus, lol. Just little old Reed. No Doom magicks, or Black Panther or whatever.

Just two combatants, with one guy having prep to do whatever he likes, using his own lab and own resources. No BFR, so if someone leaves the battlefield it doesn't count as a win or a loss. But if one side is incapacitated/killed/dies, they lose.

So I might say Reed digs a very deep hole to put the Hulk in (lol).

You can then counter with scans of Hulk jumping to orbit or whatever you want. Hulk's gamma climbing skills, whatever you wish. And if I cannot counter that argument from you, I lose.

Simples.

Show me an example of past BZ's here

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Show me an example of past BZ's here

You could just visit the forum. It's right here.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Show me an example of past BZ's here

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t621902.html

Doesn't have to be as long winded as this one, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
This is the most ridiculous argument ever. I hate when people say things like this. So Reed not using EVERYTHING against Hulk means he was holding back? Black Adam not using EVERYTHING against Superman means he was holding back. Orion not using EVERYTHING against Superman means he was holding back. Silver Surfer not using EVERYTHING against Thor means he was holding back. Hell, every single fight Thor has had, he didn't use a fraction of his abilities which means, he was holding back in 99 percent of his fights. Surfer NEVER use anything in any of his fights, he is always holding back. Has Hulk even used everything in his arsenal in one fight? Cant think of an instance. Yep, he is holding back. Who debate like this?

those are the facts carv. don't blame arguments--it's the medium. STORY FIRST. so anyone claiming it's STORY that allows for these characters to be portrayed inaccurately in even the VAST majority of the cases IS right. if YOU had flash's powers, in the real world, you would, literally, never be hit by anyone or anything. EVER. yet it happens to flash all the time.

the medium makes STORY an issue that can never be fully resolved. /shrug

reed v hulk and reed gets prep? lol would be fun to see. not very competitive, but fun. you could even make it a single post, or one post one rebut. wouldn't take more than that to end it anyway.

And Reed can do whatever he wants, no outside help like summoning Galactus or Franklin or anything like that.

But everything else, goes. Battlefield is all of space and time, so no BFR is possible.

Originally posted by leonidas
those are the facts carv. don't blame arguments--it's the medium. STORY FIRST. so anyone claiming it's STORY that allows for these characters to be portrayed inaccurately in even the VAST majority of the cases IS right. if YOU had flash's powers, in the real world, you would, literally, never be hit by anyone or anything. EVER. yet it happens to flash all the time.

the medium makes STORY an issue that can never be fully resolved. /shrug

So people saying that Surfer won't bfr Superman 10/10 even though its within Surfer powers to do is wrong? Looking at it like this, Stardust can pull a clean sweep against most high Heralds, Thor can as well. Why use scans when we can debate powerset?

^did this fool say why debate characters and actual facts in the comics when you can debate imaginary fan of interpretations of power set..?seriously?

Originally posted by carver9
So people saying that Surfer won't bfr Superman 10/10 even though its within Surfer powers to do is wrong? Looking at it like this, Stardust can pull a clean sweep against most high Heralds, Thor can as well. Why use scans when we can debate powerset?

Intelligence is a power of Reed. It's like a defining trait of his. So you're actually ignoring a crucial part of his power set.

It's like making a thread and saying Hulk has no strength. Or Flash has no speed.

We can argue character if you want.

When WWH came to Earth, and was threatening his family etc....what did Reed do?

He tried to calm him down, lol. So yeah, that has NOTHING to do with a battle forum thread.

Full capacity, brah. I'm not arguing Reed suddenly becomes homicidal and boils Hulk's eyes off or whatever.

Originally posted by panthergod
^did this fool say why debate characters and actual facts in the comics when you can debate imaginary fan of interpretations of power set..?seriously?

Again, why post scans if we are going to debate powerset? Example, Flash gets a majority against everyone outside of skyfather due to debating primarily off of his powerset. Someone saying Flash pulls a majority against Hulk due to speed blitz/speed steal, what makes their post any better than me saying Thor pulls 10/10 against HP Doomsday via lightning bolt bfr?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Intelligence is a power of Reed. It's like a defining trait of his. So you're actually ignoring a crucial part of his power set.

It's like making a thread and saying Hulk has no strength. Or Flash has no speed.

We can argue character if you want.

When WWH came to Earth, and was threatening his family etc....what did Reed do?

He tried to calm him down, lol. So yeah, that has NOTHING to do with a battle forum thread.

Full capacity, brah. I'm not arguing Reed suddenly becomes homicidal and boils Hulk's eyes off or whatever.

So Surfer is stupid? Is this what you are saying? He is dumb enough to not realize he have the ability to port Superman 10/10? Is Flash smarter than Surfer because you tend to always argue the speed steal/blitz argument? Or are you a bias DC fan? Let me know.

Nothing. That would never happen in character.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, why post scans if we are going to debate powerset? Example, Flash gets a majority against everyone outside of skyfather due to debating primarily off of his powerset. Someone saying Flash pulls a majority against Hulk due to speed blitz/speed steal, what makes their post any better than me saying Thor pulls 10/10 against HP Doomsday via lightning bolt bfr?

He does not get majority of anyone short of Skyfathers though. That's a goofy fanboy position.

Originally posted by carver9
So Surfer is stupid? Is this what you are saying? He is dumb enough to not realize he have the ability to port Superman 10/10? Is Flash smarter than Surfer because you tend to always argue the speed steal/blitz argument? Or are you a bias DC fan? Let me know.

Characters forgetting their powers, like they always do against Huk, is not the same as not using a particular tactic or approach.

Originally posted by carver9
So Surfer is stupid? Is this what you are saying? He is dumb enough to not realize he have the ability to port Superman 10/10? Is Flash smarter than Surfer because you tend to always argue the speed steal/blitz argument? Or are you a bias DC fan? Let me know.
Surfer's not stupid.

But Superman is faster than Surfer can do it. Superman is ALSO smart (not arguing who's smarter; it's arbitrary at this point).

Lets not even start on Flash, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, why post scans if we are going to debate powerset? Example, Flash gets a majority against everyone outside of skyfather due to debating primarily off of his powerset. Someone saying Flash pulls a majority against Hulk due to speed blitz/speed steal, what makes their post any better than me saying Thor pulls 10/10 against HP Doomsday via lightning bolt bfr?

Thor would do it, absolutely.

But by the time he tries it, DD would be in his face.

In all of his years fighting the Hill, he only used the lightning BFR at the end, lol.

Thor is the worst example to use. He's stupid.

Originally posted by panthergod
He does not get majority of anyone short of Skyfathers though. That's a goofy fanboy position.

You probably want to look at the Flash vs Odin thread or Flash and Zoom vs Galactus.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Characters forgetting their powers, like they always do against Huk, is not the same as not using a particular tactic or approach.

Post a fight where a character didn't forget their powers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Surfer's not stupid.

But Superman is faster than Surfer can do it. Superman is ALSO smart (not arguing who's smarter; it's arbitrary at this point).

Lets not even start on Flash, lol.

So Superman is going to drop Surfer before he can throw off an attack? Let's take your approach. Surfer survived and tanked the big bang. Start there for his durability.

But this is a forum fight, not a comic fight.

I don't think you quite understand how forum fights work. Its a fundamental thing to grasp.

Originally posted by carver9
So people saying that Surfer won't bfr Superman 10/10 even though its within Surfer powers to do is wrong? Looking at it like this, Stardust can pull a clean sweep against most high Heralds, Thor can as well. Why use scans when we can debate powerset?

you make a valid point. that's why i said the issue can't be resolved. bfr is terrible in the forum, which is why most say no bfr. but "operating at peak capacity" and "arguing based on powerset" often amount to the same thing. we try and factor in character into the argument with mixed success. /shrug

these are things that will always come up when arguing fiction. you have to know this by now.

Originally posted by carver9
So Superman is going to drop Surfer before he can throw off an attack? Let's take your approach. Surfer survived and tanked the big bang. Start there for his durability.
But they're not in this thread. Isn't that what you say when I asked for Wolverine's claw showing? Stay on topic and all that?

But yeah, ok. Superman whistles him out of existence. Who said anything about punching?

This is when you realize, actually, Superman fans hold back a LOT. If one time feats are used (which is fine) then....well.

Superman isnt smarter nor a better h2h combatant than Surfer but we can save that for another time

Originally posted by leonidas
you make a valid point. that's why i said the issue can't be resolved. bfr is terrible in the forum, which is why most say no bfr. but "operating at peak capacity" and "arguing based on powerset" often amount to the same thing. we try and factor in character into the argument with mixed success. /shrug

these are things that will always come up when arguing fiction. you have to know this by now.

Scans are used to back up powerset.

Example:

Argument: Luke cage is super strong. That's his powerset.

Full potential means he can use his full strength.

Does this mean he's lifting infinity/solar masses/planets? No.

Why?

Comic showings.

But we cannot deny he has super strength. No one is saying he has no limits. But he is very strong.

What about that time he failed to lift XYZ, when ten issues later he was able to cause earthquakes with his punches? And can lift ABC?

Well, the time he struggled with XYZ, is PIS, and we ignore it.

Here, in this thread. Is Reed clever? Yes. Clever enough to defeat the Hulk? I argue yes.

What about that time he failed to defeat Hulk, when X issues later he was able to solve world hunger/whatever?

Well, the time he struggled with the Hull, is PIS, and we ignore it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But this is a forum fight, not a comic fight.

I don't think you quite understand how forum fights work. Its a fundamental thing to grasp.

Nope, it's a sometimer fight. I have seen plenty of people here say Surfer, Thor, etc... doesn't fight a certain way. It's all based on the characters you're debating. You keep mentioning Superman being smart but in comics, he get punched all of the time by people on Grundy level. Why is Thor a bad example but other people isnt?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they're not in this thread. Isn't that what you say when I asked for Wolverine's claw showing? Stay on topic and all that?

But yeah, ok. Superman whistles him out of existence. Who said anything about punching?

This is when you realize, actually, Superman fans hold back a LOT. If one time feats are used (which is fine) then....well.

Post the whistle out of existence scan. Let's look at it together.

The point is, you mentioned beings not throwing everything at a character in a single fight. Again, who does that? Then you mention thor being dumb to not bfr Doomsday? Where are you getting this from? And when did Doomsday become the Flash? Fast enough to cover distance before someone can react?

Originally posted by carver9
Post the whistle out of existence scan. Let's look at it together.

The point is, you mentioned beings not throwing everything at a character in a single fight. Again, who does that? Then you mention thor being dumb to not bfr Doomsday? Where are you getting this from? And when did Doomsday become the Flash? Fast enough to cover distance before someone can react?
He's not in the thread, right?

But see his fight with DS.

And Doomsday is FASTER than the Flash, remember? Canon writing.

Originally posted by carver9
Nope, it's a sometimer fight. I have seen plenty of people here say Surfer, Thor, etc... doesn't fight a certain way. It's all based on the characters you're debating. You keep mentioning Superman being smart but in comics, he get punched all of the time by people on Grundy level. Why is Thor a bad example but other people isnt?

Because when did Thor display super intelligence? Odinson, obv.

Am happy to be educated on Thor's intelligence.

Not sure why you're suddenly throwing all these characters around. Are we still on for Magneto vs Hulk, no BFR?

Why wouldn't you debate Phildo? He's using canon scans to back his case up, surely. All of Magnetos various showings. You've already answered, because you think he'll win.

But based on showings, surely Hulk would win? Surely? A mere Low Herald?

You also haven't answered my multiple askings. Who has Tony beaten with prep? With new weapons/armour?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans are used to back up powerset.

Example:

Argument: Luke cage is super strong. That's his powerset.

Full potential means he can use his full strength.

Does this mean he's lifting infinity/solar masses/planets? No.

Why?

Comic showings.

But we cannot deny he has super strength. No one is saying he has no limits. But he is very strong.

What about that time he failed to lift XYZ, when ten issues later he was able to cause earthquakes with his punches? And can lift ABC?

Well, the time he struggled with XYZ, is PIS, and we ignore it.

Here, in this thread. Is Reed clever? Yes. Clever enough to defeat the Hulk? I argue yes.

What about that time he failed to defeat Hulk, when X issues later he was able to solve world hunger/whatever?

Well, the time he struggled with the Hull, is PIS, and we ignore it.

Gotcha. I have every single right to say Thor throws Doomsday into the sun 10/10 without getting a scratch.

Surfer continuously blast Superman with red sun radiation while creating black holes around Supes for the majority.

Thor bfrs Darkseid for the majority of hits him with a Chaos King destroying blast.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. I have every single right to say Thor throws Doomsday into the sun 10/10 without getting a scratch.

Surfer continuously blast Superman with red sun radiation while creating black holes around Supes for the majority.

Thor bfrs Darkseid for the majority of hits him with a Chaos King destroying blast.

Thor needs to be near the sun (on Asgard), with the chains of Fenrir first. Was that standard equipment? I don't think so.

Fail.

Superman just punches Surfer. You've forgotten speed. Or whistles.

Fail.

Darkseid comes back via Boom Tube, then goes full form, dwarfing the planet.

Fail.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's not in the thread, right?

But see his fight with DS.

And Doomsday is FASTER than the Flash, remember? Canon writing.



Because when did Thor display super intelligence? Odinson, obv.

Am happy to be educated on Thor's intelligence.

Not sure why you're suddenly throwing all these characters around. Are we still on for Magneto vs Hulk, no BFR?

Why wouldn't you debate Phildo? He's using canon scans to back his case up, surely. All of Magnetos various showings. You've already answered, because you think he'll win.

But based on showings, surely Hulk would win? Surely? A mere Low Herald?

You also haven't answered my multiple askings. Who has Tony beaten with prep? With new weapons/armour?

So Doomsday can evacuate a city before a nuke touch anyone in that city?

He doesn't need super intelligence to use an attack "he already used on multiple occasion". If he has bfred someone before then that means he is capable of doing it again.

We've discussed this already... I'm not doing a Magneto vs Hulk BZ. Stop acting creepy. Now please answer the questions above.

smh

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Superman isnt smarter nor a better h2h combatant than Surfer but we can save that for another time lol

Yeah, we can save it until you read more comics.