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If Classic Thor is 100

Where do these characters stand ?

Iron Man

Spiderman

Namor

Luke Cage

The Thing

Colossus

She Hulk

She Hulk
Namor
Ironman
Colossus
Thing
Luke
Spiderman

I ordered mine... dang. I'll re-answer later.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Classic Thor is 100

Where do these characters stand ?

Iron Man

Spiderman

Namor

Luke Cage

The Thing

Colossus

She Hulk

Iron Man 60

Spiderman 40

Namor 85-90

Luke Cage 45

The Thing 70

Colossus 70

She-Hulk - hard given her fluctuations, I'd peg her around 85, but depending on the era, she can be 100++

These are not to say that Thor is only twice as strong as Iron Man. It's how the gap 'looks' in comics. Kind of like Hulk being millions of times stronger than the Thing, but they can punch eachother.

Classic Thor 100++7/7
Shehulk 100+7/7
Colossus 7/7+
Namor 100 6/7
Iron Man 100 6/7
The Thing 97-100 6/7
Luke Cage 75 5/7
Spider man 10-15 4/7

Namor - 200

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Classic Thor is 100

Where do these characters stand ?

Iron Man

Spiderman

Namor

Luke Cage

The Thing

Colossus

She Hulk

Off the top of my head the classic rankings for these guys in the handbooks is:

Iron Man - 85
Spiderman - 10
Namor - 85
Luke Cage - 25
Thing - 85
Colossus - 70
She Hulk - 70

However in recent times Colossus, She Hulk and Namor have become class 100

Namor was always class 100

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor was always class 100

You mean you thought he was always class 100. Its all in the wording.

Dont present something as fact if youre not 100% sure.

Marvel classified him as class 85 up until the 80's/90's at least.

Still 85 on land.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You mean you thought he was always class 100. Its all in the wording.

Dont present something as fact if youre not 100% sure.

Marvel classified him as class 85 up until the 80's/90's at least.
No, he was always class 100 by marvel. Thor was also said to be class 95 in the first handbook.

Namor has nearly a dozen fights with the Hulk alone to show he is class 100.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Still 85 on land.
No, he is class 100 everywhere until he is weakened.

Your hate for Namor is amusing.

Three different handbooks from 2000s citing Namor as class 100, even in golden age.

https://s9.postimg.cc/t9qdf1jcr/image.jpg https://s9.postimg.cc/4t87kkqbv/image.jpg https://s9.postimg.cc/hxdrx9q3f/RCO023.jpg

While on contact with water yes.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
While on contact with water yes.
Its like saying Superman is class 100 while he is in contact with sunlight.

ermm

Not even close.

How so?

Because the sun is always beaming in on Superman and when isnt, his body store the energy. Namor doesnt have this luxury. He can dry out if he is away from water too long. He does have a substitute though... his wet suit but that is still an outside source helping him.

Originally posted by carver9
Because the sun is always beaming in on Superman and when isnt, his body store the energy. Namor doesnt have this luxury. He can dry out if he is away from water too long. He does have a substitute though... his wet suit but that is still an outside source helping him.
Namor also store water in his body.

He doesn't magically dries on land as soon as he gets away from water.

Originally posted by carver9
Because the sun is always beaming in on Superman and when isnt, his body store the energy. Namor doesnt have this luxury. He can dry out if he is away from water too long. He does have a substitute though... his wet suit but that is still an outside source helping him. Right on.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Right on. Originally posted by abhilegend
How so?

Carver pretty much nailed it.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Carver pretty much nailed it.

Yep

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Carver pretty much nailed it.
Carver nailed your dick?

Namor doesn't magically becomes class 85 on land. He is still far stronger than that level on land.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Namor - 200

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor was always class 100

As i said previously, this is false

Namor was never a top tier powerhouse initially like Thor, Hulk or Juggernaut.

He was and arguably still is B list

Powerful but outclassed by the top dawgs

In the 80s he was in the 75 ton range going up to 85 ton range during that decade

class 75

https://imgur.com/eIkBDXO


class 85

https://imgur.com/MJueHvr


It wasnt until the 90s that he became class 100:

https://imgur.com/RkHx6r0

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As i said previously, this is false

Namor was never a top tier powerhouse initially like Thor, Hulk or Juggernaut.

He was and arguably still is B list

Powerful but outclassed by the top dawgs

In the 80s he was in the 75 ton range going up to 85 ton range during that decade

class 75

https://imgur.com/eIkBDXO


class 85

https://imgur.com/MJueHvr


It wasnt until the 90s that he became class 100:

https://imgur.com/RkHx6r0
Right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The Abomination

Namor seems to have him pretty decisively beaten by the end. They look pretty comparable in strength throughout, although towards the end Namor was choking Emil like a ***** and he looked pretty scared of the Avenging Son. Note that this fight starts literally seconds after Namor has just finished fighting the Avengers, including Hercules. Namor #59
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Super Skrull

Here the Skrull is disguised as Iron Fist. Namor has been in the raging heat of the Savage Land for over 24 hours so is dehydrated. Namor gets the better of it physically until Kl'rt uses his Invisible Woman power-set. Namor #16
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Round 2, with the Skrull exposed now. Namor again looks superior physically IMO. Namor #18
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Apocalypse

Not much of a fight in all fairness, but a nice showing as Apoc clearly wanted no part of a submerged Namor. Namor Annual #3
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Ares, God of War

This is in his villainous days naturally. The fight is pretty even on land, as Namor is quite dehydrated. When the fight moves to the water, Namor utterly wrecks Ares. Avengers #284
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Sebastian Shaw

Namor more or less over-loads Shaw with two punches. Uncanny X-Men Annual #2
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Venom (Gargan)

Venom gets the drop on Namor and hits him with some special SHIELD tech designed to weaken him. Namor responds by beating the **** out of Venom and ripping his tongue out. Gargan has stalemated Colossus, and the Venom symbiote has taken shots from Hulk and Juggernaut, but he gets mauled here. Revolution #3-4
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Master Kahn

This dude was an extremely powerful sorceror. He was able to easily wipe Namor's mind completely. Shrunk Namor, Doom, a massive ship and millions of tons of sea water down until they were small enough to fit in a bottle. Claimed to have the power to kill Dr Doom like nothing. Namor destroys him easily here. Namor #33
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Awesome Andy

Namor completely wrecks the android. Avengers #289
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Sandman

One-shots Sandman and then pwns the Trapster for good measure. ASM #214
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The Griffin

An opponent Namor claims is nearly as strong as the Hulk. Once the fight moves into the water it is over quickly. Namor #2-3
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Attuma

Attuma has given Namor varying degrees of trouble down the years, but this is what happens when Namor is really serious. Defenders #8
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders008a.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
Fight Two. Hulk is under the control of the Puppet Master. Namor KO's him eventually via whirlpool. TTA #100
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Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
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Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
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Namor makes up for it here though, as he utterly and completely wrecks Iron Man. Illuminati One-Shot
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For this fight, Namor is in possession of the Cosmic Cube so he can control the battle-field. However, he is explicitly not amping his physical stats until the end when he wishes to find out who is stronger when both are at full strength. This issue suggests that Namor is stronger underwater, Herc is stronger on land, and when both are at full capacity they are dead even. Avengers #40
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Another stalemate with neither displaying a strength edge. Avengers #262
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Namor takes some big shots from the assembled Avengers before he moves on to a one-on-one with Hercules. The two combatant's dialogue seems to suggest that Namor is the stronger of the two underwater. He then goes on to punk Crystal. Namor #58
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Their most recent fight. Not much to go on, Hercules seems to have a bit of an edge on land but Namor seems confident he will be the stronger of the two when in the water. Incredible Hercules #122
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/IncredibleHercules122a.jpg
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Anybody who has been said to be an equal of Immortal Hercules is ****ing stronger than Thing. Its not even questionable. Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor has to fight a blood-lusted Thor here and manages a stalemate before the fight is interrupted. Namor seems dominant when the fight briefly goes underwater. Atlantis Rising #1
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AtlantisRising01a.jpg
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We've seen a bloodlusted Thor KILL Thing with one hammer shot. Here he suckers Namor and Namor still gains upper hand underwater.

Black Bolt

Namor fights Black Bolt to a stand-still on land. FF #402
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/FantasticFour402e.jpg


The Sentry

This is the only true one-on-one fight they have had, though they mixed it up a bit in Avengers/Invaders (check "The Avengers" section below). The Avenging Son doesn't make much offensive head-way but Sentry is in a pretty nutty mood and the writer seemed to really respect him so Namor taking this brutal pounding and being more or less completely unharmed is a good showing. X-Men Exodus
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/X-MenExoduse.jpg


The Avengers

Here are Namor's contributions to the group fight in Avengers/Invaders. He exchanges blows pretty evenly with Sentry (who mysteriously disappears half way through the fight) and then man-handles Wonder Man and Ares completely. Avengers/Invaders #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02a.jpg
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02e.jpg


The Thunderbolts

Another group fight here. Namor's contributions include punching out Radioactive Man and utterly destroying Penance. Avengers/Invaders #1
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He manhandled Simon and Ares like they were his bitches. Thing wishes he was as strong as Namor.

Let's see where you can show Namor being below Thor or Hulk.

Even Thor was given class 95 ranking in the initial handbook BTW.

https://s31.postimg.cc/f0bc36fc7/image.jpg

Namor is overrated.

You are overrated.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Namor is overrated. Easily one of the most underrated characters on the forum.

I think the only guy he gets wins over is Colossus and The Thing.

If anybody is underrated it's Thing. And he's beaten Namor in the water.

Wait, how the hell does K'lrt gets beaten by Namor with Things's powers backed up with Reed's while Ben does decently against Namor without that boost?

Skrulls are pussies.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Classic Thor is 100

Where do these characters stand ?

Iron Man

Spiderman

Namor

Luke Cage

The Thing

Colossus

She Hulk

We will do percentages.
And we will assume these characters are doing a test of strength in a comic.

Iron Man = 70
Spider-Man = 15
Namor = 90
Luke Cage =50
The Thing = 90
Colossus = 90
She Hulk = 80

If we go by highest feats only then
All characters (except Namor) would be under 1%.

In all honesty, writer's (especially those of the past) have no clue of how much force certain feats take. That's why we got a lot of contradictions. Namor has some feats above 100 tons and yet Thing can beat him sometimes (or fight him as peers all the time).

Colossus going toe to toe with Gladiator (it's Canon).
Marvell going toe to toe with Drax
Spider-Man putting a hurting on beings well outside his strength tier.
I can go one and on.

this is exactly why i lost my faith in numbers. they mean nothing. bio's to me mean nothing. i care about feats. show me them feats and then we can talk. captain america has clear super human feats but everybody treat him as "peak human" because of some old bio. same thing with everybody fap to superman 1 million, the no feat guy because the bio says he is a superman among supermans.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
If anybody is underrated it's Thing. And he's beaten Namor in the water.
When Namor stunned himself throwing a fish at Ben.

Otherwise he has beaten Thing numerous times

Originally posted by h1a8
We will do percentages.
And we will assume these characters are doing a test of strength in a comic.

Iron Man = 70
Spider-Man = 15
Namor = 90
Luke Cage =50
The Thing = 90
Colossus = 90
She Hulk = 80

If we go by highest feats only then
All characters (except Namor) would be under 1%. looks descent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are overrated.

my favourite piece of text in the thread. i lol'd.

anyway,

IM=75
SM=25
namor=95 (in water or suit)
cage=40
ben=75
colossus=75
shulk=85-90 (in standard incarnation)

In recent times I dont agree with rating luke cage at roughly half of thing in strength. Hell I'll go as far as saying cage would beat thing 6/10 currently.

Originally posted by leonidas
my favourite piece of text in the thread. i lol'd.

I laughed as well, probably for different reasons.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right.

How does any of that validate your previous incorrect statement?

You stated that Namor has always been class 100.

I then demonstrated through scans that as far as Marvel are concerned that is not the case.

Namor is a powerful character. However hes not top tier Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel level and thats not debatable.

Hes powerful and skilled enough to hold his own temporarily against one of these stronger characters, but their superior strength class would lead them to eventually dominate.

I dont get why thats so hard to accept?

The strength class system shouldnt be taken literally in terms of the maximum tons a character can lift. As when Marvel had Namor as class 75 and later class 85 he had clearly demonstrated he was capable of lifting more tons than those figures would have you believe. However the classifications are useful as an indicator of how Marvel views the comparative strength levels between characters. As far as Marvel are concerned, Namor is not top tier.

It is what it is

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How does any of that validate your previous incorrect statement?

You stated that Namor has always been class 100.

I then demonstrated through scans that as far as Marvel are concerned that is not the case.

Namor is a powerful character. However hes not top tier Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel level and thats not debatable.

He has two clean wins against Hulk and has been shown as dead equal to Immortal Hercules.

How is that below Thor/Hercules level?

Except no, he has legitimate wins over the Hulk. Twice.

You're confused by your own words it seems. Namor has two wins over Hulk in 60s. Is that the time where he is supposed to be less than class 100?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has two clean wins against Hulk and has been shown as dead equal to Immortal Hercules.

How is that below Thor/Hercules level?

Except no, he has legitimate wins over the Hulk. Twice.

You're confused by your own words it seems. Namor has two wins over Hulk in 60s. Is that the time where he is supposed to be less than class 100?

Under what circumstances though?

Namor was capitalising on his other abilities such as flight to allow him to hold his own against a stronger opponent

The comparison here is strength and strength alone. You displaying scans of him fighting underwater in his element or flying around fighting against air breathing, land restricted opponents does not prove your point.

In terms of on panel feats of lifting weight, Namor is simply not as strong as those on the top tier.

That does not mean he cannot beat or go toe to toe with physically superior characters in a fight as your scans demonstrate. But in terms of pure physical strength he just aint cutting it. Know the difference.

Next you'll be telling me Spidermans in the same strength class as Rhino cos he whups that ass.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Under what circumstances though?

Namor was capitalising on his other abilities such as flight to allow him to hold his own against a stronger opponent

The comparison here is strength and strength alone. You displaying scans of him fighting underwater in his element or flying around fighting against air breathing, land restricted opponents does not prove your point.

Hulk is actually given a drug which allows him to breath underwater. Namor still koed him.

Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118a.jpg
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http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118l.jpg

Next time it's actually on land and Namor never looked weaker than Hulk.

Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Defenders052a.jpg
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Except no, it's never about lifting feats to show who is stronger.


Rhino has beaten Spidey much more than vice versa.

Namor goes punch to punch with the Hulk. Spider-Man never does that against Rhino.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Namor is a powerful character. However hes not top tier Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel level and thats not debatable.




Namor on next set of strongmen just below. Around Wonder Man level.


Still class 100 though.

Namor is stronger than Simon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk is actually given a drug which allows him to breath underwater. Namor still koed him.

Round 3. For this fight Hulk has been given a drug that allows him to function underwater like an Atlantean. Namor wins by decisive KO. IH #118
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Next time it's actually on land and Namor never looked weaker than Hulk.

Round 4. This time it's on land. This one doesn't go to a conclusion, but the two look pretty even. Defenders #52
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Except no, it's never about lifting feats to show who is stronger.


Rhino has beaten Spidey much more than vice versa.

Namor goes punch to punch with the Hulk. Spider-Man never does that against Rhino.

My points in my previous post seem to have gone completely over your head.
However they still stand

Both battles demonstrate Namor capitalising on his other abilities in order to hold his own against physically stronger opponents.

Did the pill Hulk took also give him enhanced swimming speed and underwater agility?

In the second fight Namor is flying and using his ability to generate electricity.

None of these scans prove your point and only serve to strengthen mine.

This thread is about comparative strength levels. NOT who would win in a fight.
Adapt your strategy

Could be. So close though. Namor probably closer to WM than that other group GS mentioned.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My points in my previous post seem to have gone completely over your head.
However they still stand

Both battles demonstrate Namor capitalising on his other abilities in order to hold his own against physically stronger opponents.

Did the pill Hulk took also give him enhanced swimming speed and underwater agility?

How does that matter when Namor and Hulk simply collided and Hulk was koed?

If your point is to show Hulk stronger than Namor, you failed spectacularly.

Bravo.



Namor koed hulk straight up, how many sub class 100 characters have done that?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


Namor on next set of strongmen just below. Around Wonder Man level.


Still class 100 though.

Agreed. Namor got promoted to class 100 in the 90's.

Hes not top tier. Definitely on a lower rung of the ladder

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Agreed. Namor got promoted to class 100 in the 90's.

Hes not top tier. Definitely on a lower rung of the ladder
He defeated hulk in 60s and looked equal to Hercules in 70s.

But somehow he is promoted in 90s.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How does that matter when Namor and Hulk simply collided and Hulk was koed?

If your point is to show Hulk stronger than Namor, you failed spectacularly.

Bravo.



Namor koed hulk straight up, how many sub class 100 characters have done that?

Again the point seems to completely escape you.

How does the ability to KO someone equate to being physically stronger or on par?

A female could KO a much larger and stronger male with a well placed punch.

This is a thread about comparative strength levels my friend it is not the average KMC thread about who would win in a fight. Once again adjust your debating strategy. Its kinda one trick pony

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again the point seems to completely escape you.

How does the ability to KO someone equate to being physically stronger or on par?

Because it does?

This isn't boxing. Namor and Hulk collided and Hulk was koed.

This does not makes Namor stronger but it is a solid class 100 feat.

I like how knocking someone out is not a strength feat.

Stay in Phoenix threads. This is not for you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it does?

This isn't boxing. Namor and Hulk collided and Hulk was koed.

This does not makes Namor stronger but it is a solid class 100 feat.

I like how knocking someone out is not a strength feat.

Stay in Phoenix threads. This is not for you.

What im presenting here isnt rocket science and is easy for objective minds to come to terms with and therein lies the problem

I should not have to explain to anyone why knocking someone out is not a demonstration or indicator of that person being stronger or on par with the victim.

It can simply be an issue of placement.

I will dip in and out of any thread that takes my interest and out debate your ass all over the forum. Class 100 here. Youre more street level

fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though. herc actually accomplished a feat underwater that namor couldn't when he overcame a repulsive force. that showed conclusively herc was stronger, even underwater than namor, but namor would win a heavy majority against herc if they fought underwater.

Originally posted by leonidas
fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though. herc actually accomplished a feat underwater that namor couldn't when he overcame a repulsive force. that showed conclusively herc was stronger, even underwater than namor, but namor would win a heavy majority against herc if they fought underwater.

Lovely. Common sense prevails. Team Leonidas all day everyday

Originally posted by leonidas
fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though.
This.

Originally posted by leonidas
fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though. herc actually accomplished a feat underwater that namor couldn't when he overcame a repulsive force. that showed conclusively herc was stronger, even underwater than namor, but namor would win a heavy majority against herc if they fought underwater. I agree. Just because your strong don't mean you'll be a good fighter.

Ive always considered Namor a 100.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Could be. So close though. Namor probably closer to WM than that other group GS mentioned.
You realize a DYING Namor tooled Simon till he got distracted by Whizzer right? We've all seen the fight when Namor was healthy. He toyed with Simon AND Ares like feebs.

And then there's Namor LIFTING Hydrobase from the bottom of the ocean vs Simon struggling to BALANCE a portion of it.

He supported Utopia island.

Makes perfect sense, considering he was able to do this back in his classic days:

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111113510/3732123-8180825292-namor.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He supported Utopia island.

Makes perfect sense, considering he was able to do this back in his classic days:

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111113510/3732123-8180825292-namor.gif
Psh that's nothing. There was a scan of him hitting a monster so hard it was causing earthquakes all over the planet. I can't seem to find it. Maybe Namorsubby or another Namor fan has it. Too bad Abhi was banned for a week. I bet he'd have it.

Not sure if I've seen that feat. Sounds great.

Then you have him KO'ing Savage Hulk underwater, lifting Marrina which impressed all the X-Men (including Colossus), breaking Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and literally dozens of other crazy STR showings... like this one, completely random:

http://i.imgur.com/bAfgUa4.png

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not sure if I've seen that feat. Sounds great.

FOUND IT!
https://s15.postimg.cc/80pzxjwiv/Tales_To_Astonish080a.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not sure if I've seen that feat. Sounds great.

Then you have him KO'ing Savage Hulk underwater, lifting Marrina which impressed all the X-Men (including Colossus), breaking Crimson Bands of Cyttorak and literally dozens of other crazy STR showings... like this one, completely random:

http://i.imgur.com/bAfgUa4.png The boat is kinda small.

http://i.imgur.com/RY1kfUs.png
http://i.imgur.com/IacOQEA.png

That's pretty cool.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The boat is kinda small.
Here you go clown :
https://s15.postimg.cc/d4qgd5mdj/Hulk_Annual1998a.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/gbkzwt9ef/strength.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/la8ibc5hj/Sub-_Mariner25a.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/lmzwhig1j/Sub-_Mariner52c.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/4mh08tnkn/xmenvsatlas02a.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/5or6rde3r/xmenvsatlas02b.jpg

What a coincidence, he is actually a clown. Not like a circus clown mind you, but more like a John Wayne Gacy clown.

Colossus catching that ship in Secret Wars is better than that stuff.

Namor isn't strong enough to lift the amount of beatdowns Colossus catches.

Lovely stuff.

I wish the picture of the tail swing had the correct scale though.

Those monsters only look like they are 50 feet tall in that panel when in the initial one they are clearly hundreds of feet tall.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
What a coincidence, he is actually a clown. Not like a circus clown mind you, but more like a John Wayne Gacy clown. Originally posted by One Big Mob
Namor isn't strong enough to lift the amount of beatdowns Colossus catches.


I need to calm down more. We're adults talking about comics and I lost my temper over something stupid like that.

I apologize to juggernaut74.

He's 'Bigsexy'. He can take it.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lovely stuff.

I wish the picture of the tail swing had the correct scale though.

Those monsters only look like they are 50 feet tall in that panel when in the initial one they are clearly hundreds of feet tall. Yea it looks like it weighed 30 tons or so.

https://i.imgur.com/241hsPT.jpg

Originally posted by One Big Mob
https://i.imgur.com/241hsPT.jpg


Oh you.

Anyone have scans of Namor lifting that massive boat anchor?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What im presenting here isnt rocket science and is easy for objective minds to come to terms with and therein lies the problem

You mean your own bias?

It's a feat of strength nonetheless. Namor isn't a martial artist, he doesn't uses kung fu to ko Hulk.



Maybe in your dreams.

Originally posted by leonidas
fights aren't always the best way to prove strength is equal though. herc actually accomplished a feat underwater that namor couldn't when he overcame a repulsive force. that showed conclusively herc was stronger, even underwater than namor, but namor would win a heavy majority against herc if they fought underwater.
That's just one instance though. In other fights Namor and Hercules look exact equal in strength.

Hercules isn't stronger than Namor to any noticeable level if he is stronger.

Lol Namor is absolutely below Herc or Wonder Man. Stop it.

I get Herc, but why would people think Namor is weaker than Wonder Man?

Originally posted by panthergod
Lol Namor is absolutely below Herc or Wonder Man. Stop it.
Namor isn't below Simon.

Namors strength fluctuates while Simon's does not.

..Simon's clearly does since Shooter/Englehart and into his solo series.