Female Avengers vs All female Justice League

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GalacticStorm
Spectrum
Captain Marvel
Scarlet Witch
Sersi

Vs

Wonder Woman
Zatana
Starfire
Mera

Current versions/current feats only. I dont wanna see any 1980's George Perez artwork. big grin

Fight takes place in a deserted city

Characters start a mile apart

Round 1 - in character

Round 2 - bloodlusted no holds barred

riv6672

GalacticStorm
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Zack M
Mera controls the water in their bodies. Probably a sleight edge to team Diana.

Damborgson
Might as well say Spectrum enters their heads through their eyes and fries their brains.

riv6672
^^^see, thats possible too, but the -easy- answer is Zatanna. A lot less likely to be argued against.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Zack M
Mera controls the water in their bodies. Probably a sleight edge to team Diana.

She definitely couldnt do that to Spectrum and i doubt she could to Sersi who as an Eternal has total mental control over her physical form and bodily processes.

Is this tactic something shes known for and demonstrated?

zopzop
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Spectrum
Captain Marvel
Scarlet Witch
Sersi

Vs

Wonder Woman
Zatana
Starfire
Mera

Current versions/current feats only. I dont wanna see any 1980's George Perez artwork. big grin

Fight takes place in a deserted city

Characters start a mile apart

Round 1 - in character

Round 2 - bloodlusted no holds barred
T2 for the majority. Sersi is the only real threat. Mera could wreck Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel with her desiccation attack. Starfire (she absorbs energy) would deal nicely with Spectrum. Sersi is the wild card. Maybe Zatanna can do something before Sersi fries her mind.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She definitely couldnt do that to Spectrum and i doubt she could to Sersi who as an Eternal has total mental control over her physical form and bodily processes.

Is this tactic something shes known for and demonstrated?
Yup. She's done it multiple times.

Zack M
Yup, or she can dump an ocean on them.

zopzop
Originally posted by Zack M
Yup, or she can dump an ocean on them.
I agree with GS that her hydrokinesis is sort of useless vs Spectrum and Sersi. Luckily Kori can deal with Spectrum (or at least stall/stalemate). Sersi is the pain in the ass. She has TK, TP, CL100 physical stats, and she's a top notch matter manipulator. T2 has no answer to Sersi's TP.

riv6672

zopzop

riv6672

zopzop

gunchar
The female JL wins both rounds due to Zatanna and Wonder Woman, Starfire helps also a bit.

riv6672

cdtm
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^see, thats possible too, but the -easy- answer is Zatanna. A lot less likely to be argued against.

CBR style would probably back Monica, seeing they argued she fry's Supermans brain before he can blink.

Personally, I can see a case for her soloing.. Even Starfire, it's not like she's immune to energy. Is she?

Even if she can manipulate it, doesn't she need to actively do that?

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by zopzop
T2 for the majority. Sersi is the only real threat. Mera could wreck Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel with her desiccation attack. Starfire (she absorbs energy) would deal nicely with Spectrum. Sersi is the wild card. Maybe Zatanna can do something before Sersi fries her mind.

Isnt Starfire powerset to absorb only ultraviolet radiation? She cant absorb just any energy in a Spectrum/Captain Marvel fashion no? If thats not the case have you any examples of her absorbing other wavelengths of radiation or other energy types?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Spectrum
Captain Marvel
Scarlet Witch
Sersi

Vs

Wonder Woman
Zatana
Starfire
Mera

Current versions/current feats only. I dont wanna see any 1980's George Perez artwork. big grin

Fight takes place in a deserted city

Characters start a mile apart

Round 1 - in character

Round 2 - bloodlusted no holds barred

Wanda and Z likely stalemate...neither can put the other down quickly and both are high end mages. And because both will sense the others magic they are likely to go for each other

Spectrum v Star is a bad matchup for both as either Spectrum overloads her or Star absorbs her powers..kinda a toss up.

Captain Marvel v Diana is a stomp in WWs favor. Carol is good but she cant amp off Diana and WW is a better at h2h and has better damage soak/durability

Mera gets wrecked by Sersi, her hydrokinesis cant effect her and shes extremely limited in a city setting.

Which leaves Sersi v Diana. I cant recall WW facing a matter manipulator on her level before and I dont like Sersis odds against WW if the gap is closed.

interesting battle...leaning towards team DC slightly or stalemate

Supermutant
Monica going light-speed and phasing through someone's body is a real viable attack, even the brain fry.

Messes up energy absorber Bishop by phasing thru him:

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Shuma brain fry entering through eye:

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Thanos brain fry attempt:

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Another brain fry thru eye:

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I see Cap Marvel v Starfire and Zee vs SW as stalemates more or less. That leave Spectrum and Sersi v Wonder Woman and Mera and team 1 is better.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Supermutant
Monica going light-speed and phasing through someone's body is a real viable attack, even the brain fry.

Messes up energy absorber Bishop by phasing thru him:

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Shuma brain fry entering through eye:

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Thanos brain fry attempt:

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Another brain fry thru eye:

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I see Cap Marvel v Starfire and Zee vs SW as stalemates more or less. That leave Spectrum and Sersi v Wonder Woman and Mera and team 1 is better.

Spectrum is scary.

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GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wanda and Z likely stalemate...neither can put the other down quickly and both are high end mages. And because both will sense the others magic they are likely to go for each other

Spectrum v Star is a bad matchup for both as either Spectrum overloads her or Star absorbs her powers..kinda a toss up.

Captain Marvel v Diana is a stomp in WWs favor. Carol is good but she cant amp off Diana and WW is a better at h2h and has better damage soak/durability

Mera gets wrecked by Sersi, her hydrokinesis cant effect her and shes extremely limited in a city setting.

Which leaves Sersi v Diana. I cant recall WW facing a matter manipulator on her level before and I dont like Sersis odds against WW if the gap is closed.

interesting battle...leaning towards team DC slightly or stalemate

Isnt this scenario dependent on Starfire being able to absorb more than just ultraviolet radiation?

Any on panel demonstrations of her doing so?

StyleTime
This is one of the more interesting team fights recently. A lot of it depends on matchups though. For example, I'd want Carol to fight Kory instead of Monica. Not that Monica can't win, but her powerset is better utilized elsewhere.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Isnt this scenario dependent on Starfire being able to absorb more than just ultraviolet radiation?

Any on panel demonstrations of her doing so?

Off the top of my head is her absorbing uv rays but uv rays and Spectrums go to (light rays) are different sorta...uv is only part of the light spectrum. So maybe she can absorb part of her power but not all of it. Its pure guesswork at the moment and Monica can always just change into a form that Kory cant handle. Put it like this

WW vs Marvel...Diana
WW vs Spectrum...undecided
WW vs Witch...Diana
WW vs Sersi...tossup

SF vs Marvel...Marvel
SF vs Spectrum...undecided
SF vs Witch...Witch
SF vs Sersi...Sersi

Mera vs Marvel..undecided due to location or Mera due to dehydration
Mera vs Witch...Witch
Mera vs Sersi...Sersi
Mera vs Monica...Monica

Z vs Witch...stalemate
Z vs Sersi....stalemate or Sersi
Z vs Spectrum...Z
Z vs Marvel...Z

deathslash
How fast is zatanna that you think she can take out spectrum?

StyleTime
Yeah, I don't see Zatanna consistently stopping a blitz from Monica. Same way Wanda wouldn't stop one from Wonder Woman.

Zack M
At the end of JLD, Zatanna became pretty uber. Scary uber. Overall, Z is just too versatile here.

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Sin I AM
Originally posted by deathslash
How fast is zatanna that you think she can take out spectrum? Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, I don't see Zatanna consistently stopping a blitz from Monica. Same way Wanda wouldn't stop one from Wonder Woman.

What scenes are you two referring to where said characters blitz from the get go?

Spectrum/Diana generally size up there opponents before engaging..especially in a forum setting where they use the best of their abilities while still fighting in character. It be ooc to blindly rush in on unknowns.

Zack M
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, I don't see Zatanna consistently stopping a blitz from Monica. Same way Wanda wouldn't stop one from Wonder Woman.

Does Monica have defense over time stop, mind rape, or getting her soul taken from her body? Z doesn't have to say her spells backwards anymore. She can just gesture Monica away.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
Does Monica have defense over time stop, mind rape, or getting her soul taken from her body? Z doesn't have to say her spells backwards anymore. She can just gesture Monica away. yes to the first one. It was tried on her once already.Originally posted by Sin I AM
What scenes are you two referring to where said characters blitz from the get go?

Spectrum/Diana generally size up there opponents before engaging..especially in a forum setting where they use the best of their abilities while still fighting in character. It be ooc to blindly rush in on unknowns. this is a forum fight. They don't need to and won't size up their opponents first. That's kind of why Superman speed blitzing is still considered a viable strategy on these forums.

Glorificus
Team 1.

No answer to either Spectrum or Sersi.

Zack M
Originally posted by Glorificus
Team 1.

No answer to either Spectrum or Sersi.

Sersi is not more powerful than Zatanna.

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
yes to the first one. It was tried on her once already. this is a forum fight. They don't need to and won't size up their opponents first. That's kind of why Superman speed blitzing is still considered a viable strategy on these forums.

Scans of her resisting time stop on Zatanna's level?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Quickdraw scenario. Wanda and Sersi or Zatanna and Mera. Toss a coin.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Quickdraw scenario. Wanda and Sersi or Zatanna and Mera. Toss a coin.

lol what, Spectrum is a faster quick draw than any of those you mention.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol what, Spectrum is a faster quick draw than any of those you mention.

WW can react to her and block her.

deathslash
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
WW can react to her and block her. unless spectrum freezes her in place

Zack M
Z can do the exact same thing, but on a grander scale.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Zack M
Does Monica have defense over time stop, mind rape, or getting her soul taken from her body? Z doesn't have to say her spells backwards anymore. She can just gesture Monica away.
Yes, she does. Speedblitz stops everything you mentioned. Offense is the best defense in this case.

I noticed you don't have a problem with Wonder Woman blitzing Wanda though. 313
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What scenes are you two referring to where said characters blitz from the get go?

Spectrum/Diana generally size up there opponents before engaging..especially in a forum setting where they use the best of their abilities while still fighting in character. It be ooc to blindly rush in on unknowns.
She did it against that astral head's hordes, despite explicitly being clueless to what they were.

"In character" means they won't tear someone's head off, but will still fight to their fullest. I'd argue only a few characters have overriding personality traits that would prevent them from blitzing, like Monet maybe. It's like an MMA match. They are going full speed/strength, but will let go of the choke before you actually die. Additionally, this thread specifies recent depictions only. Monica uses her speed regularly and generally aspires to surpass her limits now. She just happens to run into a lot of folks who can deal with it.

I'm not even saying the matchups will play out like that, but the witches absolutely can get blitzed if someone targets them.

Zack M
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yes, she does. Speedblitz stops everything you mentioned. Offense is the best defense in this case.

I noticed you don't have a problem with Wonder Woman blitzing Wanda though. 313

She did it against that astral head's hordes, despite explicitly being clueless to what they were.

"In character" means they won't tear someone's head off, but will still fight to their fullest. I'd argue only a few characters have overriding personality traits that would prevent them from blitzing, like Monet maybe. It's like an MMA match. They are going full speed/strength, but will let go of the choke before you actually die. Additionally, this thread specifies recent depictions only. Monica uses her speed regularly and generally talked about surpassing her limits. She just happens to run into a lot of folks who can deal with it.

I'm not even saying the matchups will play out like that, but the witches absolutely can get blitzed if they get targeted early

Z is more powerful than Wanda at this point and she doesn't just blitz every time. Z has tagged speedsters before, including wonder woman. She's in a universe filled with speedsters, for crying out loud.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
Z can do the exact same thing, but on a grander scale. good thing we're not talking about scale. We're talking about speed.Originally posted by Zack M
Z is more powerful than Wanda at this point and she doesn't just blitz every time. Z has tagged speedsters before, including wonder woman. She's in a universe filled with speedsters, for crying out loud. she hasn't done it often enough for her to be considered fast enough to react. Seriously, once or twice in several decades isn't nearly often enough to consistently say that she can react to the ****ing speed of light.

Zack M
But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway?

StyleTime
Originally posted by Zack M
Z is more powerful than Wanda at this point and she doesn't just blitz every time. Z has tagged speedsters before, including wonder woman. She's in a universe filled with speedsters, for crying out loud.
Wanda has tagged speedsters too. I just don't think they'd consistently stop one in forum mode.
Originally posted by Zack M
But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway?
I was just commenting on Sin's matchup analysis. It's entirely possible Spectrum fights someone else. Protecting the witches is probably a big priority for either team.

Also, just to throw some more factors into the mix. Spectrum can amp Carol. Wanda can amp her whole team. Avengers squad might steadily grow in power as the match carries on, assuming they can grab a free moment.

Which is, of course, the hard part.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway? and how often does she take on speedsters 1v1.

Common knowledge is that zatanna is a powerful magic user. She knows what magic can do to her. She'd be stupid not to take out zatanna.

Zack M
Fighting in character, I just don't see it. We know that Z can tag speedsters and we know Monica isn't immune to magic, so it's zs fight, imo.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by deathslash
this is a forum fight. They don't need to and won't size up their opponents first. That's kind of why Superman speed blitzing is still considered a viable strategy on these forums.

I dont think you understand how forum matches go. Yes characters fight to the best of their abilities but they ALSO fight in character. And an in character Spectrum or Diana doesnt blitz the second the bell rings. These are two tactical trained fighters youre scenario doesnt make sense unless they are blood lusted. Its like you dont know the characters at all and just decided to debate powersets.



Originally posted by StyleTime


She did it against that astral head's hordes, despite explicitly being clueless to what they were.

"In character" means they won't tear someone's head off, but will still fight to their fullest. I'd argue only a few characters have overriding personality traits that would prevent them from blitzing, like Monet maybe. It's like an MMA match. They are going full speed/strength, but will let go of the choke before you actually die. Additionally, this thread specifies recent depictions only. Monica uses her speed regularly and generally aspires to surpass her limits now. She just happens to run into a lot of folks who can deal with it.

I'm not even saying the matchups will play out like that, but the witches absolutely can get blitzed if someone wanted to.

Scans?

Speedblitz is like the shittiest example of debating. For one NO ONE, not even Flashes rush in ftl and hundred hand slap opponents ftw in the history of comics regularly enough for it to be called in character.

Are you forgetting both mages can time stop?

StyleTime
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Scans?

Speedblitz is like the shittiest example of debating. For one NO ONE, not even Flashes rush in ftl and hundred hand slap opponents ftw in the history of comics regularly enough for it to be called in character.

Are you forgetting both mages can time stop?
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Some find it boring, but it's perfectly valid. You simply dislike it's use, which is your right of course. Personal preference and all. It's in line with the rules though.

They time stop even less than speedsters blitz. We can't give the mages full capacity and not everyone else.

Round 2 is bloodlusted btw. Both teams have speed types, so it's not like speed alone will determine this. It's a great thread tbh.

leonidas
it really does come down to match ups. i'd say team 2 has the overall power advantage between diana and zee. zee has some high level tp that could be used to wipe out anyone on team 1 except sersi, maybe. we've seen monica stopped with tp already. she would need to blitz zee from the get-go, and go hard because zee has some good durability feats and can cast really quickly and without speaking--or she could. not sure if rebirth zee has done that...

i'd need to see some pretty uber absorption feats for starfire to think monica couldn't overload her or just kill her with some more exotic form of radiation.

sersi also has some high level tp skills, but she couldn't bother zee (and may regret even trying) while diana has some high level defense. she could take out mera and kory though. carol simply doesn't have the power to hang overall with diana or zee. more often than not i could see it boiling down to diana/zee vs sersi, or maybe sersi/monica. if zee has a chance, she ends monica for sure imo. and diana has faced and between the REAL circe, who i'd say was more powerful (slightly) than the eternal.

good match up gs, but i'd take team dc in what would be a bunch of close, fun matches.

Zack M
Originally posted by StyleTime
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Some find it boring, but it's perfectly valid. You simply dislike it's use, which is your right of course. Personal preference and all. It's in line with the rules though.

They time stop even less than speedsters blitz. We can't give the mages full capacity and not everyone else.

Round 2 is bloodlusted btw. Both teams have speed types, so it's not like speed alone will determine this. It's a great thread tbh.

The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer).

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer). cool post, now show how she deals with Monica's vastly superior speed.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StyleTime
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Some find it boring, but it's perfectly valid. You simply dislike it's use, which is your right of course. Personal preference and all. It's in line with the rules though.

They time stop even less than speedsters blitz. We can't give the mages full capacity and not everyone else.

Round 2 is bloodlusted btw. Both teams have speed types, so it's not like speed alone will determine this. It's a great thread tbh.

im not exactly getting the points of your post. yea shes fast no denying that but she assessed the situation first in real time then decided to charge.

and yes it is a bad tactic because one its never or rarely used and two its ooc to use it as a initial salvo...speed imonis not the determing factor here...its individual fights that are key

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Zack M
The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer).
same can be said about Wanda when pushed.

Stoic
Originally posted by Zack M
But we know she IS fast enough to handle speedsters. And who says Monica is going directly for Z anyway?

Being a former leader of the Avengers means that the possibility of eliminating the biggest threat would likely be her top priority.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Zack M
The thing is, with full capacity, Z is the most powerful on the field, by a lot. Sure, Monica can take her, but she would be extremely lucky to take a majority from a top tier mage, such as Zatanna (Who Constantine says is a peer).
In she gets spells off, yes. She'd be a sitting duck if Monica blitzes though.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
im not exactly getting the points of your post. yea shes fast no denying that but she assessed the situation first in real time then decided to charge.

and yes it is a bad tactic because one its never or rarely used and two its ooc to use it as a initial salvo...speed imonis not the determing factor here...its individual fights that are key
She had specific mission parameters though, which made them wait. Once the actual fight with horde started, she instantly blitzed. Here, it's just a fight. No delicate objective to fulfill.

To clarify my point earlier, I'm saying you're confusing your personal distaste for blitz strategies with the rules for CIS and full capacity. It'd be out of character for Monica to try and fry their brains, but she will use her speed to it's fullest for KO's. Especially since we're only using recent depictions here.

I agree speed is largely neutralized between the two teams though. The battle is determined mostly by how the matchups play out. I'm just talking a theoretical Zatanna/Monica fight, should it occur.

StyleTime
Originally posted by leonidas
it really does come down to match ups. i'd say team 2 has the overall power advantage between diana and zee. zee has some high level tp that could be used to wipe out anyone on team 1 except sersi, maybe. we've seen monica stopped with tp already. she would need to blitz zee from the get-go, and go hard because zee has some good durability feats and can cast really quickly and without speaking--or she could. not sure if rebirth zee has done that...

i'd need to see some pretty uber absorption feats for starfire to think monica couldn't overload her or just kill her with some more exotic form of radiation.

sersi also has some high level tp skills, but she couldn't bother zee (and may regret even trying) while diana has some high level defense. she could take out mera and kory though. carol simply doesn't have the power to hang overall with diana or zee. more often than not i could see it boiling down to diana/zee vs sersi, or maybe sersi/monica. if zee has a chance, she ends monica for sure imo. and diana has faced and between the REAL circe, who i'd say was more powerful (slightly) than the eternal.

good match up gs, but i'd take team dc in what would be a bunch of close, fun matches.
Good points.

I'm still undecided, but I can definitely understand if someone leans to the DC side. I think the first group to lose a person will probably lose the fight eventually.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StyleTime
In she gets spells off, yes. She'd be a sitting duck if Monica blitzes though.

She had specific mission parameters though, which made them wait. Once the actual fight with horde started, she instantly blitzed. Here, it's just a fight. No delicate objective to fulfill.

To clarify my point earlier, I'm saying you're confusing your personal distaste for blitz strategies with the rules for CIS and full capacity. It'd be out of character for Monica to try and fry their brains, but she will use her speed to it's fullest for KO's. Especially since we're only using recent depictions here.

I agree speed is largely neutralized between the two teams though. The battle is determined mostly by how the matchups play out. I'm just talking a theoretical Zatanna/Monica fight, should it occur.

nice observation. i agree with you to an extent i just font think its a a good tactic to employ. im more keen on monica being more esoteric than a bruiser. that seems like something miss america would do not her.

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