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cap marvel (carol)
spectrum
blue marvel
panther
ms america

vs

rustam
dr polaris
johnny sorrow
lobo
emerald empress

who's left standing?

I assume we have to use Pre-52 feats for all, apart from people like Rustam?

meh, use what you'd like.

Spectrum BM and Ms. America speed blitz that whole powerful, but speedsterless team.

Polaris and Emerald are extremely uber. I give it to the SS.

Technically doesn't This SS come After 52. Was part of the Rebirth Reboot wasn't it?

Ultimates take this

Originally posted by Zack M
Polaris and Emerald are extremely uber. I give it to the SS.

they can be countered by monica and bm i think. sorrow is the one i'm not sure they can counter.... i don't think it inconceivable he might be able to solo the ultimates if he removed his mask. his powers are tough to gauge though and his face can be turned back on him too. i think if they can take out johnny, they win. if not, they are boned.

Sorrow could just show his face to Monica, and that would be that. Same with Blue Marvel. Individually, the members of the first Suicide Squad were team busters. It was the same with Sorrow. As a team, they were a disappointment. However, if we go by averages, I think the Suicide Squad takes a healthy majority. Monica is there only true hope, but Sorrow has her beat.

https://i.imgur.com/wEUca5G.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UWbF0ys.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/IuYC9r9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QTz0dQV.jpg

It took an all out Green Lanterns and Cyborg to have a chance with Polaris.

The fight would be over before Sorrow could do -any-thing.
Speed blitz works that way.

Sorrow has reacted to speedsters in the past. He DID take out the JLA/JSA at once.

Legitimately reacted or did they just job?

You haven't read JLA/JSA by Johns? Sorrow can straight up manipulate energy. He tooled Alan Scott, Firestorm, and Captain Atom with a SNAP of his fingers. He didn't even take off his mask.

He's also INTANGIBLE, so I'd imagine that Monica will have a hard time getting to him.

https://i.imgur.com/hIGEAkE.jpg

Note Alan's Oan energy is already travelling towards Johnny - one assumes at the speed of light.

Damn, I forgot Fate was there. Uber showing.

Sorrow also turned SHAZAM into stone.

https://i.imgur.com/IHdcMnd.jpg

Yeah I'm not sure what Leo was thinking putting Johnathan Sorrow in here. Zack is envious of this thread.

lol them's fighting words.

he's actually not used often because he has such a vague power set. who knows what anti-matter might do to him. and he was part of the group after all. i was hoping people would show more of him. he can def be beaten if they can get his mask off and reflect his face back at him, but wasn't sure how else he's been beaten.

Diana used her bracers on him. The bad thing for the Ultimates is that they still have to deal with a few more team busters. Sorrow can potentially solo the field, if he's at his best.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Legitimately reacted or did they just job?
Exactly.

My vote still goes to the Ultimates. Speed. Blitz.


In a forum fight CM would speed blitz, too.

Again, Sorrow is intangible. Energy attacks don't work. SS wins.

They didn't job - they legitimately tried their attacks on him. And he reacted in time to dispose of them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://i.imgur.com/hIGEAkE.jpg

Note Alan's Oan energy is already travelling towards Johnny - one assumes at the speed of light.

This isn't, for example, Deathstroke taking Flash out because he wasn't going at light speed. This is Alan's (amongst others) attacks, travelling towards him, and Sorrow reacting in time to a lightspeed blitz.

looks a little like he was just absorbing their attacks or had a force field up. i don't see that as a speed feat. honestly, i'm not exactly sure WHAT happened there...

Originally posted by leonidas
looks a little like he was just absorbing their attacks or had a force field up. i don't see that as a speed feat. honestly, i'm not exactly sure WHAT happened there...

He's also redirecting the blasts. Not an FF, as you can clearly see environment damage (the water underneath him). I say redirect, as Alan's and Firestorm's attacks are being made to curve round instead of hitting him.

Wrong. The only time he's tangible is when he takes off the mask. Sorrow doesn't exist in this plane of reality.

Here are some intangibility feats.

Enters JSA tesseract vault.

https://i.imgur.com/hM33hpE.jpg

Citizen Steel's punch just passes through him.

https://i.imgur.com/mqt0c9R.jpg

Ironically, The Ultimates best chance is for Sorrow to TAKE OFF his mask, so he can be tangible. Not looking good.