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They fight somewhere.

Couple Sentrys and Molecule Mans to take into consideration and match them up as you please, or talk of them in general discussion as you please.

Seige/Dark Reign era Sentry
Death Seed Sentry
Current Sentry

Fantastic Four Annual Molecule Man
Dark Reign era Molecule Man
Hickman Molecule Man
Current Molecule Man

I'm sure it can be figured out from there.

https://i.imgur.com/sk4RtNi.gif


Ps. If this has to be moved, move it to the Battlezone. Why? Who knows?winkiss

I will not debate here and I will create a Battlezone thread once we have had an agreement on the rules with Enzeru.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I will not debate here and I will create a Battlezone thread once we have had an agreement on the rules with Enzeru.

What rules, you coward? Just post your god damn argument already.

Originally posted by Enzeru
What rules, you coward? Just post your god damn argument already.

You agreed to make a Battlezone with me and now you are backtracking.

Who's the coward ?

I don't know much about these characters. Can someone post a feat or two?

Originally posted by Facee
I don't know much about these characters. Can someone post a feat or two?

Well, we have the entire battle between the two:

https://www.quora.com/If-Rune-King-Thor-can-defeat-Death-Seed-Sentry-can-he-also-defeat-Molecule-Man-since-Sentry-defeated-him

^^^good shit, thanks.

Sentry ruins Owen. This really shouldn't be a question... I mean we saw the entire encounter, and found out that Owen lacks the tools to defeat a concept like being like the Sentry. The Sentry, the Void, and DS Sentry are simply puppets of varying degrees of power. DS Sentry being the most powerful of the puppets by far. They're solidified projections of Bob's mind but given total autonomy to act. Owen is toast here.

Owen. One low showing does not make Sentry his better

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Owen. One low showing does not make Sentry his better

This goes beyond low showing. Owen literally does not have the tools to deal with Bob. Owen has one life, Sentry has an infinite number. Break one Sentry, and Bob whips up another one. This goes beyond Owens ability to destroy one of Bob's constructs. We know that Owen can physically destroy the Sentry. The problem comes when Sentry comes right back and puts the whammy on Owen. Owen can't resist or come back from the defeat as quickly as Bob can bring the Sentry back. Haven't you been paying attention? Not to be rude, but Bob has to be defeated or the Sentry has God Mode status.

Originally posted by Stoic
This goes beyond low showing. Owen literally does not have the tools to deal with Bob. Owen has one life, Sentry has an infinite number. Break one Sentry, and Bob whips up another one. This goes beyond Owens ability to destroy one of Bob's constructs. We know that Owen can physically destroy the Sentry. The problem comes when Sentry comes right back and puts the whammy on Owen. Owen can't resist or come back from the defeat as quickly as Bob can bring the Sentry back. Haven't you been paying attention? Not to be rude, but Bob has to be defeated or the Sentry has God Mode status.

I think youre over selling Bob. Plus the same argument that Sentry fans to hand wave Bobs low feat can be used to argue for Owen who has better high end feats by a mile

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think youre over selling Bob. Plus the same argument that Sentry fans to hand wave Bobs low feat can be used to argue for Owen who has better high end feats by a mile

Not really. You're crossing different forms of combat in an attempt to quantify the caliber of opponents. It doesn't work that way, and who did you see defeat DS Sentry? Sentry, Void, DS Sentry are all the same guy at different stages or circumstances. Bob learned how to use his powers when he upset Owen. You're entire argument falls apart if you consider the learning curve that Bob had to go through in order to use his powers to the extent that he shows as DS Sentry. Owen would lose again if they fought again.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not really. You're crossing different forms of combat in an attempt to quantify the caliber of opponents. It doesn't work that way, and who did you see defeat DS Sentry? Sentry, Void, DS Sentry are all the same guy at different stages or circumstances. Bob learned how to use his powers when he upset Owen. You're entire argument falls apart if you consider the learning curve that Bob had to go through in order to use his powers to the extent that he shows as DS Sentry. Owen would lose again if they fought again.

Well for 1. DS Sentry isnt just Sentry...hes Sentry plus the Death Seed. 2 that MM fight was an outlier and Owen wasnt mentally all there (a common argument used in defense of Sentry.

Any version of MM out side of Dark Regin MM would wreck Sentry a$$ period, Current MM is too of the charts for any version of Sentry, MM just pees on him its over. The dude put the whole omniverse/multiverse in a shoe box, a shoe box , evil Molecule Man which was the most powerful incarnation of MM battle the beyonder to the point tha battle almost cause the multiverse to collapse on top of each other, cause a watcher in another universe to go blind. Sorry, not sorry MM wins.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not really. You're crossing different forms of combat in an attempt to quantify the caliber of opponents. It doesn't work that way, and who did you see defeat DS Sentry? Sentry, Void, DS Sentry are all the same guy at different stages or circumstances. Bob learned how to use his powers when he upset Owen. You're entire argument falls apart if you consider the learning curve that Bob had to go through in order to use his powers to the extent that he shows as DS Sentry. Owen would lose again if they fought again.

I love you (platonically).

All these Sentry fans will be seriously disappointed with the Sentry series

I do expect Marvel to keep an entire series ongoing with a Superman clone who is apparently (by some Sentry fans) the strongest being in the multiverse next to only TOAA

He will probably be kept at a similar level as Hulk but with ththe potential of going all darkside with his Void persona

Ugh, business as usual in a sentry thread.

Anyway, Stark's SPIN tech depowered sentry so you can be damn sure that a universal scale reality warper can too.

Not to mention that i recall several KO's/temp. KO's/straining to do trivial things for the sentry.

Im also having trouble seeing what sentry could do if... say Owen breaks apart the laws of physics (like in the Beyonder battle)? Or perhaps crush the universe in his hands, like his inferior Kubik was able to do? Or hell, just warp sentry out of existence?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well for 1. DS Sentry isnt just Sentry...hes Sentry plus the Death Seed. 2 that MM fight was an outlier and Owen wasnt mentally all there (a common argument used in defense of Sentry.

Trying to understand how his mental instability would change the fact that Sentry came back and defeated him? What so if he were mentally stable he'd somehow change the outcome of Sentry finding out that he too could manipulate molecules on that level? When Owen invited Galactus into his pocket universe and asked him o take a seat, was he mentally stable? I saw a crack pot. Actually he appeared to be more stable when he lost to the Sentry than he was when he had his conversation with Galactus. I don't think that your argument is strong enough to deny that Sentry legitimately defeated Owen with ease.

Originally posted by operator616
Ugh, business as usual in a sentry thread.

Anyway, Stark's SPIN tech depowered sentry so you can be damn sure that a universal scale reality warper can too.

Not to mention that i recall several KO's/temp. KO's/straining to do trivial things for the sentry.

Im also having trouble seeing what sentry could do if... say Owen breaks apart the laws of physics (like in the Beyonder battle)? Or perhaps crush the universe in his hands, like his inferior Kubik was able to do? Or hell, just warp sentry out of existence?

Molecule Man failed to do what you described.

It wasn't SPIN tech but a power drainer.

Originally posted by Stoic
Trying to understand how his mental instability would change the fact that Sentry came back and defeated him? What so if he were mentally stable he'd somehow change the outcome of Sentry finding out that he too could manipulate molecules on that level? When Owen invited Galactus into his pocket universe and asked him o take a seat, was he mentally stable? I saw a crack pot. Actually he appeared to be more stable when he lost to the Sentry than he was when he had his conversation with Galactus. I don't think that your argument is strong enough to deny that Sentry legitimately defeated Owen with ease.

He wasn't stable at all. He was imprisoned in the raft which was specifically attributed to his instability. Electro was able to overload the raft's security systems and break out of prison. That should give you an idea that Owen was nowhere near his true power level in that era.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Molecule Man failed to do what you described.

It wasn't SPIN tech but a power drainer.

Because he was nowhere near his power level.

SPIN tech is a power drainer, genius.

Originally posted by operator616
He wasn't stable at all. He was imprisoned in the raft which was specifically attributed to his instability. Electro was able to overload the raft's security systems and break out of prison. That should give you an idea that Owen was nowhere near his true power level in that era.


That's not the fact to be unstable that lower Owen's power but the beliefs he has in his abilities.

His state of mind still changed after the raft and he was back at full power.




There is plenty of power drainers in Marvel, honey.

They aren't all SPIN Tech.

I know it's easy to make the amalgam but this power-drainer was specifically called a genetic disruptor. It released a chemical that neutralized mutates.

The SPIN tech is administred via darts.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's not the fact to be unstable that lower Owen's power but the beliefs he has in his abilities.

His state of mind still changed after the raft and he was back at full power.


His bio specifically stated that it made his power level "manageable": https://imgur.com/lm2sKWc

He was never at full power in DA. He only had molecular manipulation without his reality warping powers.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

There is plenty of power drainers in Marvel, honey.

They aren't all SPIN Tech.

I know it's easy to make the amalgam but this power-drainer was specifically called a genetic disruptor. It released a chemical that neutralized mutates.

The SPIN tech is administred via darts.

Do you like splitting hairs or something?

It was a power drainer based on Stark tech: https://imgur.com/SJ23CNj

It's just that generally it was referred to as SPIN tech and it was SHIELD and the initiative which weaponized them into darts as i recall and modified later by brigss in his plan to take down all superheroes, but it was all based on Stark's model. And i have no idea how in any way, shape, or form is all this relevant? Sentry got depowered by Stark tech, that's the point.

Originally posted by operator616
His bio specifically stated that it made his power level "manageable": https://imgur.com/lm2sKWc

And that his power-levels are unknow after the Raft.

And that his powers are only limited by his beliefs on his abilities.



He was. He had no disbeliefs in his abilities. He never said that he cannot do something with his powers.

Molecular Manipulation and Reality Warping are two terms for the same power.




FYI, Tony's Armor is also Star Tech...

Well, every technology that Tony uses is Star Tech.



Where did they say that Briggs modified it into a Genetic Disruptor ? I can't recall it.

It's more the correlation that you made that looked illogical to me.

"Anyway, Stark's SPIN tech depowered sentry so you can be damn sure that a universal scale reality warper can too."

Originally posted by RealityWarper
And that his power-levels are unknow after the Raft.

And that his powers are only limited by his beliefs on his abilities.


He was. He had no disbeliefs in his abilities. He never said that he cannot do something with his powers.

Molecular Manipulation and Reality Warping are two terms for the same power.
"

The constructs Owen created outright said that Owen wanted to fail and wanted to be found and whatnot, that doesn't sound too stable to me.

No, molecular manipulation is basically matter manipulation. Reality manipulation is similar to space/time manipulation, which is the constituents of the universe itself (the universe is fundamentally made of space/time, not matter/energy which exist inside a universe)

Originally posted by RealityWarper


FYI, Tony's Armor is also Star Tech...

Well, every technology that Tony uses is Star Tech.


You don't say... is there anything else you can tell me, captain obvious?

The point was that he was depowered by something Stark created, is that so hard to understand?

If a human genius (and believe me -- even Stark's tech has its limitations especially compared to alien or future tech) can create something to depower Sentry don't you think a universal reality warper should replicate such a trivial feat? That's the point i was trying to make if it wasn't obvious.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

Where did they say that Briggs modified it into a Genetic Disruptor ? I can't recall it.

It's more the correlation that you made that looked illogical to me.

"Anyway, Stark's SPIN tech depowered sentry so you can be damn sure that a universal scale reality warper can too."

No, briggs had a modified version of it in Avengers academy with which he sought to depower all super heroes, my point was that there were several versions of it but were all based on Stark's model.

Originally posted by Facee
I don't know much about these characters. Can someone post a feat or two?

Sentry beat Owen, who is second only to Pre Retcon Beyonder and second to none in current continuity.

Thus proving that if a pale clone of Superman can beat anyone, then Superman can beat Sentry, and everyone. Also Herc and Hulk can, since they beat up Sentry too.

You're caught up now, you're welcome.

Hey Op, you should read Angela: Asgard's Assassin. Specifically 3 and 4 and then probably the end. It covers some Odin stuff pertaining to Everything Burns and Surtur

You'd probably pop an interior pimple that shot out of your urethra

sounds something major. What is it? Ill probably read it later on.

Abhi's banishment is near its end though. So whatever it is our happiness will be short lived.

It says Odin and Freya purged the Surtur fires and then porked and made a Surtur baby because his energy was still lingering in that universe.

More complicated than that but you get the idea

This one time Iron Man created a cyberprogram that wiped the knowledge of his secret identity from every baddie on earth, without any of them knowing they'd been subtly mindphucked... And Molecule Man was among them:

http://i.imgur.com/Rrq6MZMh.jpg


Does that mean Tony's casual tech can preform mindphuckery on universal/multiversal/trans-multiversal/omniversal beings by default!? Boy, I sure hope so. g007_teehee

Reed Richard's and Doom are always d*ck fighting but Stark is cream of the cop. I love that Hickman was able to show that overall all 3 are on the same level, with different abilities. Richard's has the most brain power, but weapon engineering and multi-tasking? Stark is the greatest in the Universe.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Hey Op, you should read Angela: Asgard's Assassin. Specifically 3 and 4 and then probably the end. It covers some Odin stuff pertaining to Everything Burns and Surtur

You'd probably pop an interior pimple that shot out of your urethra Originally posted by operator616
sounds something major. What is it? Ill probably read it later on.

Abhi's banishment is near its end though. So whatever it is our happiness will be short lived.

Yup, all that nonsense of "why wasn't Asgard destroyed!" by poor idiotic Abhilindia was a waste of time:
https://s33.postimg.cc/3ps4fyqxn/RCO008_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/l32euttyj/RCO009_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/5uchh2v57/RCO010_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/sj1ogmpdn/RCO011_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/42jim5wcr/RCO012_1462733086.jpg

I liked that Angela, even with the upgrade, wanted no business with Thor at the end.

Once more for brevity:
https://s33.postimg.cc/muvdpr0gr/RCO018_w_1462733184.jpg

And Odin's creation of the Nine Realms is referenced again:
https://s33.postimg.cc/z9i5q1pe3/RCO003_1462733184.jpg

Gillen was SO much better than Aaron. He told large, cosmic tales, but with modern day mythological feels to it. The ass-kicking Thor gave to Doom is still in my Top 10 Thor moments ever. He references in the last scan Thor's lungs being able to swallow oceans (Classic mythology) constantly through his work, showing some actual knowledge of the original source material that inspire Kirby/Lee for so long.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

That's not the fact to be unstable that lower Owen's power but the beliefs he has in his abilities.
His state of mind still changed after the raft and he was back at full power.


Nope.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t653484.html

All of that has been debunked there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Reed Richard's and Doom are always d*ck fighting but Stark is cream of the cop. I love that Hickman was able to show that overall all 3 are on the same level, with different abilities. Richard's has the most brain power, but weapon engineering and multi-tasking? Stark is the greatest in the Universe.

Don't forget Hank, he's done pretty crazy things. Eternity compares the 3 quite nicely: https://imgur.com/tf7sk6W

* this was indeed eternity, and not loki, as ive seen it mentioned before in the forum.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
It says Odin and Freya purged the Surtur fires and then porked and made a Surtur baby because his energy was still lingering in that universe.

More complicated than that but you get the idea

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yup, all that nonsense of "why wasn't Asgard destroyed!" by poor idiotic Abhilindia was a waste of time:
https://s33.postimg.cc/3ps4fyqxn/RCO008_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/l32euttyj/RCO009_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/5uchh2v57/RCO010_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/sj1ogmpdn/RCO011_1462733086.jpg https://s33.postimg.cc/42jim5wcr/RCO012_1462733086.jpg

I liked that Angela, even with the upgrade, wanted no business with Thor at the end.

Once more for brevity:
https://s33.postimg.cc/muvdpr0gr/RCO018_w_1462733184.jpg

And Odin's creation of the Nine Realms is referenced again:
https://s33.postimg.cc/z9i5q1pe3/RCO003_1462733184.jpg

Gillen was SO much better than Aaron. He told large, cosmic tales, but with modern day mythological feels to it. The ass-kicking Thor gave to Doom is still in my Top 10 Thor moments ever. He references in the last scan Thor's lungs being able to swallow oceans (Classic mythology) constantly through his work, showing some actual knowledge of the original source material that inspire Kirby/Lee for so long.

Sweet.

It's always good to have confirmation. It sounds interesting so ill be sure to check it out.

I was never a fan of Aaron's either. Not to mention that his recent Dr Strange run is pure trash, imo.

Originally posted by operator616
The constructs Owen created outright said that Owen wanted to fail and wanted to be found and whatnot, that doesn't sound too stable to me.

Owen disapproved what his construct told him, moreover he didn't show any disbelief in his abilities and THIS is the POINT.

Owen can be as cracked as a bag of nuts, if he doesn't show any disbeliefs in his abilities he is fully powered.





Molecular Manipulation is the manipulation of all forms of matter and energy.

And still, Molecule Man manipulates matter and energy on panel.

The Watcher and Reed Richards confirmed in first Owen appearances that he can control everything.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-37c4ddea78265ba82aa9c9a6301626b3-c








The point is that Owen completely annihilated Sentry's body, which is far superior in all aspects to disrupting the genetic code...




I think that's another prototype but whatever, that's not the core of the topic.

Owen peak > Sentry peak

Molecule Man>>>>any sentry.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
It says Odin and Freya purged the Surtur fires and then porked and made a Surtur baby because his energy was still lingering in that universe.

More complicated than that but you get the idea
They didn't purge the fire, it was pushed between a place in between dimensions.

https://s22.postimg.cc/y5fjjyylp/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/rez2ajj5p/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/6i2u5vsul/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/4q9vazh7h/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/tjjfbn7xp/image.jpg

The fire of Surtur didn't even destroy furnace of Heven.

Some skyfather level being.

Originally posted by operator616
Don't forget Hank, he's done pretty crazy things. Eternity compares the 3 quite nicely: https://imgur.com/tf7sk6W

* this was indeed eternity, and not loki, as ive seen it mentioned before in the forum.





Sweet.

It's always good to have confirmation. It sounds interesting so ill be sure to check it out.

I was never a fan of Aaron's either. Not to mention that his recent Dr Strange run is pure trash, imo.
Confirmation that Surtur sucks? Why yes, it did.

Originally posted by operator616
He wasn't stable at all. He was imprisoned in the raft which was specifically attributed to his instability. Electro was able to overload the raft's security systems and break out of prison. That should give you an idea that Owen was nowhere near his true power level in that era.



Because he was nowhere near his power level.

SPIN tech is a power drainer, genius.

And when we saw him in the Ultimates you believe that he was stable? I'm talking about his encounter with Galactus. If you believe that he was stable while talking as crazy as a crazy person can be, let's just agree to disagree.

He mentioned that Bob was composed of different molecules than anything in the known universe that he had encountered.

Sentry is a puppet produced by Robert Reynold's mind. If he warped the Sentry, Void, or DS Sentry away Robert Reynolds would only need to bring them back. This is what hapened when he attempted to pull him apart on the molecular level. He found out that he was dealing with someone outside of his power range. I never said that the Sentry was more powerful than Owen. But, in this case, power doesn't matter.

Am I talking alien here? Have you not seen Sentry completely destroyed only to see him show up once again? This goes beyond some wonky super healing factor... The Sentry is a concept. He always has been, therefore Owen would only be warping the concept away, not Robert Reynolds, unless of course I missed something.

Then you brought up all of the things that had affected the Sentry, while omitting Owen's downfalls. Owen has had some less that awesome showings himself back in the day when he didn't know his true potential.

DS Sentry is the Sentry at a level of complete or, near complete understanding of what he can do with his power set, which is considerable if we were to consider the idea that death held no power over the constructs of Bob's mind. I really think that you have a lot to consider before you decide to slam the door on a character that can and has defied Owen's scope of power in the physical universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They didn't purge the fire, it was pushed between a place in between dimensions.

https://s22.postimg.cc/y5fjjyylp/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/rez2ajj5p/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/6i2u5vsul/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/4q9vazh7h/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/tjjfbn7xp/image.jpg

The fire of Surtur didn't even destroy furnace of Heven.

Some skyfather level being.



....can we ban this idiot again?

I posted the scans that flat out said the fire was purged, and it would have destroyed all creation. This very same baby.

The fire in the furnace of Heven was from a NEWBORN baby of Surtur, wtf.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
....can we ban this idiot again?

I posted the scans that flat out said the fire was purged, and it would have destroyed all creation. This very same baby.

The fire was pushed in between the dimensions, not purged.

https://s33.postimg.cc/tlbuz5srj/RCO008_1462733086.jpg

"All reality"? Must be some small reality.

The baby had all the power of Surtur. It wasn't a baby Surtur.

Forget all reality, it didn't even burn the small ass furnace of Heven.

Please learn how to read Abhilegend. I can pay for your English classes if you want:
https://s33.postimg.cc/muvdpr0gr/RCO018_w_1462733184.jpg

"There they purged...power of Surtur.

Odin casually shunted enough power to destroy all reality, ****ed in that flame, and purged it.

I've never had to explain before that a newborn baby would not have the full power of it's parents, BUT as Malekith made clear, the baby was not at full power as it would be when it would grow up:
https://s22.postimg.cc/jbsma5hkt/IMG_5304.jpg

With how overpopulated India is, I thought you'd realize that a baby isn't as powerful as an adult.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Please learn how to read Abhilegend. I can pay for your English classes if you want:
https://s33.postimg.cc/muvdpr0gr/RCO018_w_1462733184.jpg

"There they purged...power of Surtur.

Odin casually shunted enough power to destroy all reality, ****ed in that flame, and purged it.

I've never had to explain before that a newborn baby would not have the full power of it's parents, BUT as Malekith made clear, the baby was not at full power as it would be when it would grow up:
https://s22.postimg.cc/jbsma5hkt/IMG_5304.jpg

With how overpopulated India is, I thought you'd realize that a baby isn't as powerful as an adult.


It was the curse of Surtur that was passed to the child.

https://s22.postimg.cc/seqa8n8y5/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/gpmakoxf1/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/6sb9rmxj1/image.jpg

Malekith as Sera even says that the baby is "everything burns" level of dangerous.

It's repeatedly stated that they need to purge the power of Surtur from the child. Not "partial power" of Surtur.

This is off topic as it is. Make a new thread if you want to discuss this.

Originally posted by h1a8
Creating a werewolf was a sign of being God.

Sentry beats the unstable Owen. A stable Owen destroys him.

Originally posted by abhilegend


It was the curse of Surtur that was passed to the child.

https://s22.postimg.cc/seqa8n8y5/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/gpmakoxf1/image.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/6sb9rmxj1/image.jpg

Malekith as Sera even says that the baby is "everything burns" level of dangerous.

It's repeatedly stated that they need to purge the power of Surtur from the child. Not "partial power" of Surtur.

This is off topic as it is. Make a new thread if you want to discuss this.

The curse of Surtur is the not same as the FULL POWER of Surtur. You do understand, that your logic does not hold, because we know the child will grow into his full power later into adulthood, and the fire of Surtur was purged by Odin BEFORE the child was born?

The child has the power of Surtur. That does not mean he is equal to the full power of Surtur. There is a big difference. You also are only going down this path because you think that Heven's furnaces containing the child's power implies that it is weak, despite not knowing the limitations of Heven....it's just one big lowball to you so I don't have much desire to put any energy into this.

Here, how about we present our discussions to 3 non-biased judges and let them decide. And then you agree to never bring this up again? Because this is the THIRD thread where your nonsense has taken up.

Yeah man, Surtur was really powerful in igniting heven furnace. Really powerful.

The previous issue confirms that Surtur's power would have destroyed all of creation, as mentioned in the original story. It was a 10 issue long arc, it was very concise. If it could contain all that power, would that not make Heven incredibly powerful, rather than Surtur weak?

This is assuming that a 6 week infant is as powerful as the parent despite being said to be the child version.

You keep mentioning this. Let's get an official ruling with non-biased members and we will agree to stick to whatever is decided for the end of time.

I don't even care about this point. I just want you to stop ruining threads. You've been back for 24 hours, and the main page is already filled with you arguing the most trivial and logical of things for entire pages, killing all convo. When you are here, 80% of the posts are about what level of trim Superman's pubic hair was in Action comics 856.7 for 10 pages. Other posters actually debated interesting and different topics. You're legitimately bad for conversation because you can't agree on the most basic and obvious of concepts. So settling them eternally is the only solution.

No, no its fine. The curse of Surtur that Odin purged isn't curse of Surtur. The power of Surtur actually means partial power of Surtur.

Totally fine man. Now stop derailing the thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, no its fine. The curse of Surtur that Odin purged isn't curse of Surtur. The power of Surtur actually means partial power of Surtur.

Totally fine man. Now stop derailing the thread.

What kind of rebuttal is this?

You argued that the power of Surtur was not impressive because it was contained by the furnaces of Heven. You clearly have some understanding of the limitations of the Angels of Heven. Can you please share it with me?

Your stance does not make much sense, if you're referencing this scan:
https://postimg.cc/image/muvdpr0gr/

Odin purged the power and curse of Surtur (When he exploded). The child was born from the lingering of that power. Malekith confirmed that the child would grow to be Surtur and achieve his full power at an older age:
https://postimg.cc/image/jbsma5hkt/

I think the intention of the story was really clear. The child was infected with Surtur's flame, and would eventually grow to be as dangerous and as powerful as the fire demon. At the moment, he was not...but whatever.

Stop derailing the thread.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Reed Richard's and Doom are always d*ck fighting but Stark is cream of the cop. I love that Hickman was able to show that overall all 3 are on the same level, with different abilities. Richard's has the most brain power, but weapon engineering and multi-tasking? Stark is the greatest in the Universe. Stark and Reed are less than nothing to Doom.

I should smack you in the mouth.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What kind of rebuttal is this?

You argued that the power of Surtur was not impressive because it was contained by the furnaces of Heven. You clearly have some understanding of the limitations of the Angels of Heven. Can you please share it with me?

Your stance does not make much sense, if you're referencing this scan:
https://postimg.cc/image/muvdpr0gr/

Odin purged the power and curse of Surtur (When he exploded). The child was born from the lingering of that power. Malekith confirmed that the child would grow to be Surtur and achieve his full power at an older age:
https://postimg.cc/image/jbsma5hkt/

I think the intention of the story was really clear. The child was infected with Surtur's flame, and would eventually grow to be as dangerous and as powerful as the fire demon. At the moment, he was not...but whatever. He concedes.