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Make your call on strength, speed, and skill, if you will.

Superman is stronger and faster in raw speed, WW is easily more skilled.

Typically and on the whole, Supes has the advantage here. Still, there are some weaker Superman portrayals that overlap with some stronger Wonder Woman portrayals, and this would give WW the win at those times.

^^^. Yep.

And that's why Diana really shouldn't stand much of a chance. A certain writer's having Batman cite "Bruce Lee vs Usain Bolt" notwithstanding, it would be a more accurate analogy if Bolt could move in any direction as fast as he could sprint, and shoot lasers out of his eyes.

Doesn't matter how skilled you are, if you can never catch the other guy, and he can tag you at will.

Speed is a Pandora's box that no writer knows what to do with. It's never used remotely realistically. So I don't think any speed edge would really be decisive here.

Supes typically loses to WW when he's either holding back too much or under a writer who doesn't credit Superman with especially dynamic power.

And you still have to get it past the editors! I had e-mail conversations with Greg Rucka about WW vs. Superman. He said he felt Superman was more powerful and formidable on the whole, but in a 1v1 combat between humanoids, Diana's skill and gear were enough to get the win. He admitted that his opinion was definitely in the minority among writers. With all that said, when it came time to pen the fight, it was ironic that Rucka couldn't give Diana a 100% clean win. I'm not sure if editors got involved or not, but I found it interesting. It's possible Greg thought he was giving Diana a clean win.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Typically and on the whole, Supes has the advantage here. Still, there are some weaker Superman portrayals that overlap with some stronger Wonder Woman portrayals, and this would give WW the win at those times. In hand to hand? Certainly not. Even Greg Rucka, the biggest Wonder Woman proponent, showed her as overwhelmingly inferior in a physical fight. He broke her wrist by squeezing and KOd her across the solar system - then just hovered above her, until she got up. In any other circumstance, the fight would have been over right there as he would have continue to attack but, luckily for her, he was hallucinating. Or he would have punched her inside the sun, and not towards the Earth. The fight even ended with her removing his mind-control and slashing his neck with a magical item, which he quickly regenerated.

And then, we look at For Tomorrow . He seemed at least one tier above her, and she was armed to the teeth.
And then, we look at a League of One . She directly says she cannot win, as he casually overpowers her.
And then we look at Wonder Woman 175 . Even the 2nd biggest Wonder Woman fanboy , Phil Jimenez, had her so outclassed physically, that she said she was about to die and he was about to break her bracelets in a few blows. Again, she snaps him out of his mind control .
And we can go on with the examples.
We can also notice a pattern - every time Superman is not mind-controlled/etc. - and has full control of his abilities, he dominates to a ridiculously casual level

And we haven't even gotten to relative portrayals, such as against Doomsday, who broke her hands and Superman ripped him in half. etc.

I don't think there's a single writer who'd show her even having a chance hand to hand . I think some of them would keep her competitive with weapons but, in the end, he'd win under almost all of them.

Konvict, too. After getting his measure, Superman appeared to be winning, while Wonder Woman was struggling to hold him at bay.

Yeah, that's why I said relative portrayals paint an even worse picture for her.

I'm agreeing (as did Rucka) that the majority opinion among writers and editors is likely that Superman wins here. It's likely a significant majority.

I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of WW's fight with Superman under Rucka. I'd been talking with him before he got the WW book, so that fight was probably his first chance to put his ideas into practice. I didn't really follow any of his other, later work that might have been relevant. Perhaps he changed his opinion.

Injustice was an interesting WW vs Superman fight. Also, there were times at the beginning of of the New 52 Superman and Wonder Woman book where it seemed like Superman was being shown as so unskilled that Diana, especially unleashed (which was a thing then), might have the edge. It certainly seemed in doubt.

At any rate, I'm in broad agreement as to Superman being solidly favored, on the whole. I find it more interesting to try to find and discuss the few occasions where Diana might have been favored, or where it was too close to call.

supes with speed allowed still wins. He is outmatched in skill, but allthesame you cant fight who you cant see.

Interesting shit

Originally posted by cdtm
Konvict, too. After getting his measure, Superman appeared to be winning, while Wonder Woman was struggling to hold him at bay.

She was injured and was still holding her own. Superman isnt beating WW in h2h.

Also, WW showings recently just looks far better than Supermans.

Yeah, the Kryptonians were shitting on Supes and getting destroyed by Diana.

Similarly she could have killed him in Injustice but held back.

Lor Zod (Zod junior) koed him and some say it was a surprise attack. Let's assume it was, Disna was recently hit by a surprise attack from an amped Supergirl and brushed that sh** off and proceeded at punching her face in. Superman can only dream about diana highs after the rebirth.

Diana written properly would demolish superman shit. she also iirc beat god amped supes in n52

Originally posted by carver9
Disna

http://www.incubarte.es/wp-content/uploads/Disna-entrada.jpg

Didn't Wonder Woman disagree on Superman being faster than her? Anyway, I'd never give her the win over him up until this point. However, I am interested in what others have to say on the matter.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, WW showings recently just looks far better than Supermans.

What period of time are you referring to?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Diana written properly would demolish superman shit. she also iirc beat god amped supes in n52

She did beat him. He was complaining because he couldnt touch her. He had to use heat vision.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
What period of time are you referring to?

Before and after rebirth. She just took on and had the advantage against both Darkseid and Grail. Ended with him being on his knees.

Originally posted by carver9
Before and after rebirth. She just took on and had the advantage against both Darkseid and Grail. Ended with him being on his knees.

I just went and read that arc. I believe you are misconstruing events. It's clear that Darkseid has the overall advantage against Wonder Woman, but she wins by manipulating the energies of the Greek pantheon that Darkseid had absorbed into himself to regain his full power.

DCU continuity is hard to follow. But what is up with Grail? Wasn't she supposed to be more powerful than Wonder Woman at one point? Now she seems less powerful. And what is up with Hippolyta schooling Grail? That shouldn't happen unless in the 'new' continuity Hippy is way more powerful than she used to be, or Grail has dropped quite a few tiers from when she was first introduced.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Wasn't he all Doomsdayed out in 175?

No indication this increased his power. His bestial rage was unleashed and I think the Doomsday-effect may have been a result of that rather than the other way around. Jiminez loved Wonder Woman, but he never struck me as someone pushing for WW > Superman. He credits Superman with dynamic-like power that is truly awesome when unleashed. Some writers don't.

What issue did WW fight God-amped Superman in during the New 52?

Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't Wonder Woman disagree on Superman being faster than her? Anyway, I'd never give her the win over him up until this point. However, I am interested in what others have to say on the matter.

Not in raw speed.... She agreed he was faster.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
No indication this increased his power. His bestial rage was unleashed and I think the Doomsday-effect may have been a result of that rather than the other way around. Jiminez loved Wonder Woman, but he never struck me as someone pushing for WW > Superman. He credits Superman with dynamic-like power that is truly awesome when unleashed. Some writers don't.

The official explanation is that she took all his pain and rage from OWAW and focused it all towards Wonder Woman. Plus he also punched through her hand at one stage.

I'm not saying Wonder Woman can beat him, just that that comic was a little different. We were all scared for her.

I liked that issue. I think your take jibes with mine. She was in serious danger, for sure.
Superman has traditionally been more powerful than Wonder Woman, and also more formidable in a fight--even with her skill edge.
Diana doesn't need to be favored over Superman in a fight to be a great hero and do her thing. I think it's a cheap trick when writers try to generate increased interest by pushing the competition with Superman angle. It undermines her in the long run. At the end of the day, when push comes to shove, it's always going to be Superman if you make it a contest. Best to avoid that.

I think I've said it before but Wonder Woman more or less can peck at Superman. She can cause her damage, but she lacks the ability to actually put him to sleep.

I don't think he'd obliterate her unless you go by real high end showings only for him, but I think he'd likely win everytime. Think Hulk vs Hercules. Herc can land his damage but he lacks the ability to actually defeat him. Hulk will always win or look better in their fights.

Superman is an immense strength and durability wall for her. One she cannot overcome without the lasso.

Personally, I think the gap has gotten closer recently, to a point I didn't expect, but Superman vs Wonder Woman should always be Superman with a massive power advantage. Like Mother Russia vs Hit Girl. Just absolutely overwhelming. If he gets serious, he could basically punch through her skull or rip her arms off. Luck, skill, weapons and his mentality is the only reason she lasts so long.

But that's my preference. The lack of editorial constraint lately has definitely allowed some Carver to infect the medium but the historic precedence is still strong.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I just went and read that arc. I believe you are misconstruing events. It's clear that Darkseid has the overall advantage against Wonder Woman, but she wins by manipulating the energies of the Greek pantheon that Darkseid had absorbed into himself to regain his full power.

DCU continuity is hard to follow. But what is up with Grail? Wasn't she supposed to be more powerful than Wonder Woman at one point? Now she seems less powerful. And what is up with Hippolyta schooling Grail? That shouldn't happen unless in the 'new' continuity Hippy is way more powerful than she used to be, or Grail has dropped quite a few tiers from when she was first introduced.

Show me any of what you just said about Diana vs Darkseid.

Why is Grail less powerful? Hecause Diana was working her? Maybe Wonder Woman is just that good? Also, Wonder Woman took out Shaggyman. The same Shaggyman that was schooling the entire JLA.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I liked that issue. I think your take jibes with mine. She was in serious danger, for sure.
Superman has traditionally been more powerful than Wonder Woman, and also more formidable in a fight--even with her skill edge.
Diana doesn't need to be favored over Superman in a fight to be a great hero and do her thing. I think it's a cheap trick when writers try to generate increased interest by pushing the competition with Superman angle. It undermines her in the long run. At the end of the day, when push comes to shove, it's always going to be Superman if you make it a contest. Best to avoid that.

Wonder Woman vs Superman who was amped off of unlimited power...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-1.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-3.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-4.jpg

He couldnt touch her.

So WW is beyond unlimited? Unlimited plus?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So WW is beyond unlimited? Unlimited plus?

I brought up the unlimited part because people would probably mention that was before both Supes merged which in this case wouldnt be a solid argument since this version of Superman had an unlimited supply of power.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, WW showings recently just looks far better than Supermans.
Like getting almost killed by a bullet bouncing off Superman? Originally posted by carver9
Lor Zod (Zod junior) koed him and some say it was a surprise attack. Let's assume it was, Disna was recently hit by a surprise attack from an amped Supergirl and brushed that sh** off and proceeded at punching her face in. Superman can only dream about diana highs after the rebirth.

Superman wasn't koed and oneshotted Lor Zod once he got serious. Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Diana written properly would demolish superman shit. she also iirc beat god amped supes in n52
Like she did to Doomsday who Superman ripped in half?

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman vs Superman who was amped off of unlimited power...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-1.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-3.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-4.jpg

He couldnt touch her.

the amp even made Superman skyfather at the time IIRC and still lost.


sad

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman vs Superman who was amped off of unlimited power...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-1.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-3.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-4.jpg

He couldnt touch her.
Wonder Woman vs Solarman who had a portion of Superman's powers.

https://s15.postimg.cc/p1ycduo93/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/7bwnstidz/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/9t8f03a07/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/kstmbp853/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/nzo5vc80n/image.jpg

Superman vs Solarman. Superman defeated Solarman while literally dying.

http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=10738.msg225407#msg225407

Solarman even one punched Diana into submission. Pathetic.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
the amp even made Superman skyfather at the time IIRC and still lost.


sad
She made him realize he had lost his mind. Nothing else.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman vs Solarman who had a portion of Superman's powers.

https://s15.postimg.cc/p1ycduo93/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/7bwnstidz/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/9t8f03a07/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/kstmbp853/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/nzo5vc80n/image.jpg

Superman vs Solarman. Superman defeated Solarman

I see both of them losing to Solarman and Superman getting taken away captive? o.O

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I see both of them losing to Solarman and Superman getting taken away captive? o.O
That was because Solarman had a portion of Superman's power and Superman was dying from kryptonite poisoning.

Yet he easily destroyed Solarman once stopped holding back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was because Solarman had a portion of Superman's power and Superman was dying from kryptonite poisoning.

Yet he easily destroyed Solarman once stopped holding back.

So I don't get how this makes Superman>Diana...

I don't see Superman beating Solarman in that scene though

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
So I don't get how this makes Superman>Diana...

I don't see Superman beating Solarman in that scene though
Solarman only had a portion of Superman's power.

Superman (Full power) >>Solarman >>Wonder Woman.

"He's phased, completely back to Human"

Solarman ACTUALLY lost by the combined effort from Diana and Supes due to that, but then he shifted (went back to his form) again i.e regeneration while Diana and Supes were already exhausted and wasn't at full strength

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"He's phased, completely back to Human"

Solarman ACTUALLY lost by the combined effort from Diana and Supes due to that, but then he shifted (went back to his form) again i.e regeneration while Diana and Supes were already exhausted and wasn't at full strength
What are you talking about? Solarman oneshotted Diana when she was fully fresh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman vs Solarman who had a portion of Superman's powers.

https://s15.postimg.cc/p1ycduo93/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/7bwnstidz/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/9t8f03a07/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/kstmbp853/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/nzo5vc80n/image.jpg

Superman vs Solarman. Superman defeated Solarman while literally dying.

http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=10738.msg225407#msg225407

Solarman even one punched Diana into submission. Pathetic.

They both lost. Then, the second fight, he had assistance from another Superman and Supergirl. Are you blind?

"one shotted"

yeah, explains why Diana still conscious fighting against solarman eh? what's your definition of "one shot"

Originally posted by carver9
They both lost. Then, the second fight, he had assistance from another Superman and Supergirl. Are you blind?
Solarman oneshotted Supergirl and Superman punched post crisis Superman away before destroying Solarman.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"one shotted"

yeah, explains why Diana still conscious fighting against solarman eh? what's your definition of "one shot"
This is definiton of getting oneshotted.

https://postimg.cc/image/nzo5vc80n/

Originally posted by abhilegend
Solarman only had a portion of Superman's power.

Superman (Full power) >>Solarman >>Wonder Woman.

He had the energy from Superman going nova and that is what he used to stop Superman and Diana.

Shaggyman was taking on the entire JLA, including Superman and Wonder Woman dropped him with ease.

http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG1.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG2-3.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG4.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG5.png

Show the scene of Solarman one-shotting Diana, and the scene of Superman destroying him.

You're not making any sense here, like the usual

Originally posted by abhilegend
Solarman oneshotted Supergirl and Superman punched post crisis Superman away before destroying Solarman.

They helped and Superman didnt physically beat him. Look at what happened ABHI. Show me Superman beating him.

Originally posted by carver9
He had the energy from Superman going nova and that is what he used to stop Superman and Diana.

Shaggyman wa taking on the entire JLA, including Superman and Wonder Woman dropped him with ease.

http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG1.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG2-3.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG4.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG5.png

forbideen error lol

Originally posted by carver9
He had the energy from Superman going nova and that is what he used to stop Superman and Diana.


So he used Superman's energy....to stop Superman and WW...

Lol.

Originally posted by carver9
He had the energy from Superman going nova and that is what he used to stop Superman and Diana.

Shaggyman was taking on the entire JLA, including Superman and Wonder Woman dropped him with ease.

http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG1.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG2-3.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG4.png
http://buzzpreview.buzzcomics.net/2017-06/DC/WWPG5.png
Superman's power is more than Superman himself? Not to mention Superman straight up destroyed Solarman.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592357/Superman_2011-_052-015.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592382/Superman_2011-_052-016.jpg.html

No need to lie carter.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he used Superman's energy....to stop Superman and WW...

Lol.

Yep... Superman going nova energy. The energy that depletes his energy. Dont think that's a trump card.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Show the scene of Solarman one-shotting Diana, and the scene of Superman destroying him.

You're not making any sense here, like the usual
Already shown.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman's power is more than Superman himself? Not to mention Superman straight up destroyed Solarman.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592357/Superman_2011-_052-015.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592382/Superman_2011-_052-016.jpg.html

No need to lie carter.

"Pray that they can negate each other and I can absorb the energy". They took each other out. Is this suppose to be a good showing?

Originally posted by carver9
The energy that depletes his energy.

Wtf lol. I know what the nova burst does, but sometimes, I wonder if English is your first language.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman's power is more than Superman himself? Not to mention Superman straight up destroyed Solarman.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592357/Superman_2011-_052-015.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27592382/Superman_2011-_052-016.jpg.html

No need to lie carter.

That's not physically beating him though.

Originally posted by carver9
Yep... Superman going nova energy. The energy that depletes his energy. Dont think that's a trump card.
Yet a weakened and dying Superman killed him in one page.

https://s6d8.turboimg.net/sp/a53645141ecb0de29000eb6c71c95170/Superman_2011-_052-015.jpg

https://s6d8.turboimg.net/sp/9b4c78359c07872f78a30f0b6a1932a7/Superman_2011-_052-016.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
"Pray that they can negate each other and I can absorb the energy". They took each other out. Is this suppose to be a good showing?
Lolwut?

Originally posted by carver9
"Pray that they can negate each other and I can absorb the energy". They took each other out. Is this suppose to be a good showing?

Can a fireman pissing put a wildfire out?

Simple question. Can that burly fireman cancel a wildfire out with his pee stream?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wtf lol. I know what the nova burst does, but sometimes, I wonder if English is your first language.

It's my 12th language. It was supermans energy. What I am saying is, if SUPERMAN USED IT, it would deplete him of power. Why mention Superman energy knocking her out? What was the point?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can a fireman pissing put a wildfire out?

Simple question. Can that burly fireman cancel a wildfire out with his pee stream?

Let's not peddle around this. Just say what you have to say. I have more scans to post.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
That's not physically beating him though.
That's posted as well.

Abhi, fix your scans on the other page please. Its stretching the page.

Originally posted by carver9
It's my 12 language. It was supermans energy. What I am saying is, if SUPERMAN USED IT, it would deplete him of power. Why mention Superman energy knocking her out? What was the point?
It wasn't super flare, it was just a random power surge from Superman when he was dying.

Originally posted by carver9
Abhi, fix your scans on the other page please. Its stretching the page.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It wasn't super flare, it was just a random power surge from Superman when he was dying.

Sigh. I dont get your point here.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh. I dont get your point here.
It wasn't Superman's entire power. Solarman only had a portion of his power

Solarman was already powerful, adding a portion of superman power made him more powerful so i don't see how Superman scales to this if it wasn't his entire power solarman had..

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Solarman was already powerful, adding a portion of superman power made him more powerful so i don't see how Superman scales to this if it wasn't his entire power solarman had..
Solarman was a random human before he got Superman's power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It wasn't Superman's entire power. Solarman only had a portion of his power

So he dropped both Superman and Wonder Woman with a portion of his solar flare that outright drains Superman of his power? Gotcha. What does a solar flare have to do with a fist fight? Can Superman tank said attack? If so, prove it.

Originally posted by carver9
So he dropped both Superman and Wonder Woman with a portion of his solar flare that outright drains Superman of his power? Gotcha. What does a solar flare have to do with a fist fight? Can Superman tank said attack? If so, prove it.
No, it wasn't solar flare. It was a random surge which weakened Superman but did not deplete him.

You're cracking up now.

So, Superman never PHYSICALLY--- and when I mean physically defeated Solarman in a fist fight?

Because that's what I'm waiting on

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
So, Superman never PHYSICALLY--- and when I mean physically defeated Solarman in a fist fight?

Because that's what I'm waiting on
He destroyed Solarman while weakened.

But are you saying Solarman was stronger than full power Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it wasn't solar flare. It was a random surge which weakened Superman but did not deplete him.

You're cracking up now.

Random surge? So it doesn't have the properties of the solar flare? Again I ask, would Superman have walked through said attack that knocked Diana out? Also, again, what does this have to do with a fist fight. My scans have relevance to what needs to be discussed here. You are posting random crap that doesnt prove anything tbh. You're stretching.

Originally posted by carver9
It's my 12th language. It was supermans energy. What I am saying is, if SUPERMAN USED IT, it would deplete him of power. Why mention Superman energy knocking her out? What was the point?

So if Superman stopped holding back, and used 100% of his power, it would KO her? Cool

Wait - Solarman, unamped, using Superman's power KOed her.

But Superman with UNLIMITED power...didn't?

Something does not compute.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So what you're saying is that a being exactly equal to Hulk was bonded with Hulk and it didn't increase his strength?

So when you do math and you come to a head scratcher like "2 + 2 =" you just put "2" and no look walkoff while you look at the sunset and grin? And people are like "Why is he looking at the sun without glasses?" And they're like "He aced that math equation, he can look at any sun he wants. He can even look at my son in the bath!" At which point you shoot them this look:

https://media.giphy.com/media/hYdY6opuFbNza/source.gif

Originally posted by carver9
Let's not peddle around this. Just say what you have to say. I have more scans to post.

You mean tiptoe or pedal around? 12th language indeed.

My point is this.

Water is the opposite of fire.

Yet, you can't just cancel fire out with a thin piddley stream, right? You need a nice big hose. LOADS of water, especially if it is a big fire.

In abhi's scan, he cancelled out Solarman's power (which, btw, is his own). CAn you do that without equalling it? No.

So Superman = Solarman. Who....KOed WW.

You DO know what the solar flare is, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He destroyed Solarman while weakened.

But are you saying Solarman was stronger than full power Superman?

I could've sworn Superman felt as if he regained his power back even though he was dying.

Originally posted by carver9
Random surge? So it doesn't have the properties of the solar flare? Again I ask, would Superman have walked through said attack that knocked Diana out? Also, again, what does this have to do with a fist fight. My scans have relevance to what needs to be discussed here. You are posting random crap that doesnt prove anything tbh. You're stretching.
At full power? Yes, he would have.

Superman>Solarman>Wonder Woman. Cry more.

Originally posted by carver9
I could've sworn Superman felt as if he regained his power back even though he was dying.
Post the scan then?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if Superman stopped holding back, and used 100% of his power, it would KO her? Cool

Wait - Solarman, unamped, using Superman's power KOed her.

But Superman with UNLIMITED power...didn't?

Something does not compute.





You mean tiptoe or pedal around? 12th language indeed.

My point is this.

Water is the opposite of fire.

Yet, you can't just cancel fire out with a thin piddley stream, right? You need a nice big hose. LOADS of water, especially if it is a big fire.

In abhi's scan, he cancelled out Solarman's power (which, btw, is his own). CAn you do that without equalling it? No.

So Superman = Solarman. Who....KOed WW.

You DO know what the solar flare is, right?

This is why I said you try too hard. God Superman did not use a solar flare, he tried to punch her to sleep but be couldnt touch her. Then, even he did use solar flare and she walked through it during one instance and fell asleep the second instant, it was done by two different writers.

You dont want it to compute because you enjoy slinging from Supermans waste.

In ABHI scan, they had a heat vision battle. That isnt the same as him using an OMNI attack. Also, the omni attack that he used the first vs the heat vision attack he used the second was against the same freaking Superman. What does this tell me? That his OMNI attack that koed Superman is greater than the heat vision that he used against Superman.

Thanks for the correction. I meant to say English is my 14th language.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post the scan then?

Before I post the scans, you do know this is the same Supermanthat was powered up by kryptonite, right?

Originally posted by carver9
Before I post the scans, you do know this is the same Supermanthat was powered up by kryptonite, right?
No? Superman was dying from kryptonite, he used kryptonite to burn away his mutated cells which gave him his powers.

But explode the scan.

This thread went for 2 pages before it was ruined. I didn't think it'd last this long tbh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No? Superman was dying from kryptonite, he used kryptonite to burn away his mutated cells which gave him his powers.

But explode the scan.


He was dying but the kryptonite gave him his power back...

"So you can FULLY power up again using kryptonite as a chemotherapy"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033350-2.jpg

He traps himself in a chamber of kryptonite to gain his powers back...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033351-5+ac_49_4+copy.jpg

Explanation of what happened...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033353-6.jpg

He's still getting powered up...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033367-7.jpg

He then tells Diana he is back...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116274/5037196-tumblr_o1ziio60u11qkd96uo3_1280.jpg

Pretty clear indication to me he was at full power. Do you have something stating otherwise?

Originally posted by carver9
He was dying but the kryptonite gave him his power back...

"So you can FULLY power up again using kryptonite as a chemotherapy"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033350-2.jpg

He traps himself in a chamber of kryptonite to gain his powers back...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033351-5+ac_49_4+copy.jpg

Explanation of what happened...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033353-6.jpg

He's still getting powered up...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033367-7.jpg

He then tells Diana he is back...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116274/5037196-tumblr_o1ziio60u11qkd96uo3_1280.jpg

Pretty clear indication to me he was at full power. Do you have something stating otherwise?
There was a whole finale between Truth and Rebirth. Like here where kryptonite burned away pretty much everything in his body.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hfpS89bazXs/Vut8hzloGAI/AAAAAAAAJnQ/bbFP_cJD0RkMxWhUEVpjbNVBN7ZaDtIXACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO032.jpg

Or later when he was confirmed as dying.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-2011/Issue-51?id=38045

Maybe you missed that carter. Because you did not read them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This thread went for 2 pages before it was ruined. I didn't think it'd last this long tbh.

This is all I know anymore

https://imgur.com/oTvfwfL

Aww, you hurt me bran.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was a whole finale between Truth and Rebirth. Like here where kryptonite burned away pretty much everything in his body.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hfpS89bazXs/Vut8hzloGAI/AAAAAAAAJnQ/bbFP_cJD0RkMxWhUEVpjbNVBN7ZaDtIXACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO032.jpg

Or later when he was confirmed as dying.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-2011/Issue-51?id=38045

Maybe you missed that carter. Because you did not read them.

He was powerless in that scan.

Yes, he was dying but he was still just as powerful. He even admits this.

Originally posted by carver9
He was powerless in that scan.

Yes, he was dying but he was still just as powerful. He even admits this.
That was in Truth, he gets depowered and then repowered. Then he starts dying and gets weakened by a surge of power which gives Solarman his power.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I'm agreeing (as did Rucka) that the majority opinion among writers and editors is likely that Superman wins here. It's likely a significant majority.

I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of WW's fight with Superman under Rucka. I'd been talking with him before he got the WW book, so that fight was probably his first chance to put his ideas into practice. I didn't really follow any of his other, later work that might have been relevant. Perhaps he changed his opinion.

Injustice was an interesting WW vs Superman fight. Also, there were times at the beginning of of the New 52 Superman and Wonder Woman book where it seemed like Superman was being shown as so unskilled that Diana, especially unleashed (which was a thing then), might have the edge. It certainly seemed in doubt.

At any rate, I'm in broad agreement as to Superman being solidly favored, on the whole. I find it more interesting to try to find and discuss the few occasions where Diana might have been favored, or where it was too close to call.

Well, what he thinks and what he portrays are different. Lots of writers talk a lot of stuff , but what matters is what they put on the page - and what Rucka put is a Wonder Woman that was inferior to Superman, in a physical sense, to a considerable degree.

Injustice, a game comic, which has nothing to do with the main DCU , a series where Bane bear hugs Doomsday is a weird one to use, to say the least. But, I don't know if you know the full context/full fight, or just the scan you saw on the internet. A big point there was that Superman would beat Wonder Woman, but that he'd hold back against finishing her off. Which is, well, exactly what happened. Her sword easily gets destroyed, he takes her down in 3 hits bleeding on the floor in the most casual matter, and him stopping gives her the opening to poke his eyes and then break his arm:

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38742697_1.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38742698_2.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38742699_3.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38742700_4.jpg

But this...has nothing to do with the mainstream DCU. This same Injustice Superman was later beaten by the good Superman in the most casual matter:

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742776/1660588.png.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742777/2522601.png.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742778/3275711.png.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742779/3551699.png.html
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38742780_6748755.png
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38742781_7906441.png
So...Superman is above Superman, too

But we're derailing the thread -- mainstream Supes is 100% above Wonder Woman hand to hand, and a healthy majority even if she has weapons.

Supergirl is above Diana in current arc?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supergirl is above Diana in current arc? I edited that one out but heavily implied, yes. And directly shown, when she breaks the chains Diana was kept in Paradise Island.

Also, Black Adam is Supergirl's punching bag in training, until she's ready to train with Diana, lol. The Shazam family has become Diana's napkins.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Wasn't he all Doomsdayed out in 175? Yeah, but it was a cosmetic change to 'show his grief'. You can argue the bone-stuff is helpful for piercing , but the strength was all him.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I just went and read that arc. I believe you are misconstruing events. It's clear that Darkseid has the overall advantage against Wonder Woman, but she wins by manipulating the energies of the Greek pantheon that Darkseid had absorbed into himself to regain his full power.

DCU continuity is hard to follow. But what is up with Grail? Wasn't she supposed to be more powerful than Wonder Woman at one point? Now she seems less powerful. And what is up with Hippolyta schooling Grail? That shouldn't happen unless in the 'new' continuity Hippy is way more powerful than she used to be, or Grail has dropped quite a few tiers from when she was first introduced.

To give you a simple answer - James Robinson. He's a shit writer, so he didn't give a shit that Grail is supposed to be superior to Diana. Besides, he couldn't have two villains above Wonder Woman in the same arc , so Grail became the punching bag.

Ah injustice. I thought you were talking about main reality.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was in Truth, he gets depowered and then repowered. Then he starts dying and gets weakened by a surge of power which gives Solarman his power.

He was depowered in the scan you posted. After this he was powered again by kryptonite to FULL POWER.

Originally posted by carver9
He was depowered in the scan you posted. After this he was powered again by kryptonite to FULL POWER.
Your scan is from Action Comics 49, mine is from Action Comics 50.

He is repowered by Fortress of Solitude.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics/Issue-50?id=29945

Seriously Carter?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
...

I miss the times before Flashpoint.

The only good thing about DC for me right now is the Superman comics. I just kind of gave up on DC.
Marvel sucks too but at least it doesn't change everything all the time.

It's pretty sad when the best written thing by far of the past half decade is about a 5 page story of Superman looking back on his parents.

You can't even imagine how nervous I feel with Bendis. Superman is basically the sole reason I'm still reading comics. I gave up Batman with Tom King.

Try Red Hood & Outlwas and see if you like it...but start from issue #1.

King lost me with Monster Men.

Those were obvious Binding of Isaac riff's, the big nerd.

Gross, it's spreading. Also 'Rogol', that shows my level of caring.

I don't like this. Hopefully they don't give him Scott Snyder levels of control. Bendis can crank out the events though so ****.

Depowered: WW mops the floor with Supes.

Powered: Supes wins comfortably without weapons and still solidly with weapons.

Although i have to say the Supes wank and WW lowballing in their actual comparisons after tons of lip-service by DC are outright pathetic, Supes and WW should be a very, very close fight with weapons(and bring Clark to his limits if serious) and not that whooops WW is supposed to be around Supes but actually isn't shit-show that usually happens.

The general idea to put Supes notably above the other heavy hitters of the JL(like in the DCEU as an especially worse example) is something i dislike a lot and that DC actively undermines characters for the sake of Supes and Bats is anyways a big problem. But well that is just my personal rant about DC politics.

You mean like the Superman Wonder Woman book?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I have an idea. Thanos though that wasn't longterm.

I think Bendis should treat him right powerwise. I think he is going to be awful though in terms of story.
He might be trying to put on a show though, so he might not start trying to ruin him until a couple years down the line when he proves himself.
Who ****ing knows though? This Rondar retcon has me worried they gave him too much freedom.


I'll add it to my list.

Bendis will make his fans think he'll ruin the character, but I don't believe he'll actually do it.

DC only tends to look the other way on non canon stories, like Injustice or Frank Miller's abominations. I'm certain DC knows Bendis's reputation, and they likely have him on enough of a short leash that any hint of a threat gets edited out at best, or Bendis gets moved off the project at worst (Assuming DC didn't shackle themselves in a contract..)

Originally posted by -Pr-
You mean like the Superman Wonder Woman book?

Do you mean me?

Thanks for the Bump. Yes, i mean you.

Anyways, I'm going to flip a coin on this one.

Heads Superman wins, tails WW loses.

Stream the coinflip so we can decide this once and for all.

What kind of coin?

Originally posted by gunchar
Do you mean me?

I was more asking how your point is reconciled with the Superman Wonder Woman book, where she was regularly treated as the star of the book.

^^^never read that book, it looked pretty awful.

Superman stomps.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I was more asking how your point is reconciled with the Superman Wonder Woman book, where she was regularly treated as the star of the book.

Well besides the fact that the Superman/Wonder Woman book was clearly more a Superman book(how much parts of the Wonderverse did you rly see there?) had even that just a few moments, which is nothing in contrary to the whole rest(let alone other media like the DCEU).

Originally posted by AbelAnderson
Superman stomps.

Bullshit, Supes clearly wins this but he is still far away from stomping outside of the DCEU(especially with weapons and under neutral circumstances).

But well this is a prime example how DC's poitics leads to this kind of Superman wank, especially among people who barely know much about the actual comics.

Originally posted by gunchar
Well besides the fact that the Superman/Wonder Woman book was clearly more a Superman book(how much parts of the Wonderverse did you rly see there?) had even that just a few moments, which is nothing in contrary to the whole rest(let alone other media like the DCEU).

I'll grant you that there's plenty of stories about Superman's villains and lore, but even then, it still felt to me like Wonder Woman was more the star of the book than he was.

It annoyed me particularly because I was hoping for a book like Superman Batman. The one Loeb started I mean, not that Pak monstrosity.

I am interested in your point though. Do you think Wonder Woman isn't written more as Superman's equal because of politics or sexism, rather than them just thinking "well, he's stronger than she is"?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'll grant you that there's plenty of stories about Superman's villains and lore, but even then, it still felt to me like Wonder Woman was more the star of the book than he was.


She looked quite a few times like that, but like mentioned it felt more like WW visits the Superverse(and looks good while doing it). But i actually didn't like the weird way how the first fight against Zod and Faora looked for example, i mean Supes got bullied by them and then came WW in and pretty much rocked them like a hurricane(skill and gear advantage sure, but that looked like Supes would be some weakling who is completely out of his league there).

Originally posted by -Pr-

It annoyed me particularly because I was hoping for a book like Superman Batman. The one Loeb started I mean, not that Pak monstrosity.

Well the majority of Superman/Wonder Woman was a big mess in my opinion, so yeah i was also hoping for something different.

Originally posted by -Pr-

I am interested in your point though. Do you think Wonder Woman isn't written more as Superman's equal because of politics or sexism,

Sexism was in the past without the slightest doubt a big part of it, today probably/hopefully not so much anymore(with exceptions).

But Politics yeah, that's clearly one of the main reasons.

Originally posted by -Pr-

rather than them just thinking "well, he's stronger than she is"?

Going by some interviews is that also a relevant reason, but in a way that many of the writers apparently don't know much about WW(let alone her villains and supporting cast) at all in combination with pretty weird ideas(Priest and Robinson as prime examples for at least the latter). Which also explains the big mess Cheetah for example.

Wonder Woman wins 6/10

Originally posted by gunchar
Bullshit, Supes clearly wins this but he is still far away from stomping outside of the DCEU(especially with weapons and under neutral circumstances).

But well this is a prime example how DC's poitics leads to this kind of Superman wank, especially among people who barely know much about the actual comics.
He one shot KOed WW with a punch that sent her back to Earth from the sun in their last encounter pre-N52.
He can also use phasing in their fight like he did to Doomsday and Mongul, or uses pressure points like he did against Maxima, and no, WW isn't doing sh*t to him with the lasso cause he should know its capabilities given how long they've fought side by side.

Originally posted by AbelAnderson
He one shot KOed WW with a punch that sent her back to Earth from the sun in their last encounter pre-N52.
He can also use phasing in their fight like he did to Doomsday and Mongul, or uses pressure points like he did against Maxima, and no, WW isn't doing sh*t to him with the lasso cause he should know its capabilities given how long they've fought side by side.

Does wonder woman know pressure points?

Could she still cut him while phased since the sword can cut the electrons off atoms?

Originally posted by TGATES
Does wonder woman know pressure points?

Could she still cut him while phased since the sword can cut the electrons off atoms?
If she does, then sadly the writers never portrayed, therefore it's better to assume she does not.
Assuming this is Post-Crisis WW, then no, she seldom uses swords in battle unlike her N52/Rebirth counterpart. Also, remember that N52/Rebirth WW does not have direct showings to suggest she can cut phasers with the atom-cutting sword.

I'd say diana is more aquaman level.

https://s6.postimg.cc/x7poyg42l/RCO014.jpg https://s6.postimg.cc/je1c9bbgd/RCO015.jpg https://s6.postimg.cc/f4wm78fxp/RCO021.jpg

But then they also killed a bunch of white martians in one page.

https://s6.postimg.cc/e2mfolhnx/RCO012.jpg

Glad to see Aquaman and Diana being a good fight being confirmed time and time again.

Predicted this in 2011, ever since Flashpoint.

But she should be waaay faster, so a mix of Aquaman stats with Flash ish level speed.

That's what makes her so dangerous. Batman level skills (if not more), speed, strength, magical gear...

Aquaman has aquaspeed.

His trident straight up kills a White Martian there, too.

I'd say it's more that Aquaman's been brought up to her level, not the other way around.

Pretty much.

Diana's level is the highest it's been....ever, I'd say.

She is more consistently DC's #2 than she was in the past. I wouldn't say she is necessarily at her highest point, though. In 52, when she could take off her bracers to power up, that might have been her highest point.

Originally posted by AbelAnderson
He one shot KOed WW with a punch that sent her back to Earth from the sun in their last encounter pre-N52.

He gave her a blackout for a few seconds with a perfect hit and the real fight started right after that...

Originally posted by AbelAnderson

He can also use phasing in their fight like he did to Doomsday and Mongul,

And she can just catch his soul with her lasso, if we already use rare powers for them.

Originally posted by AbelAnderson

or uses pressure points like he did against Maxima

The less skilled Supes uses pressure point against the significantly more skilled WW, wow the Supes wank knows no boundaries sometimes...

Originally posted by AbelAnderson

, and no, WW isn't doing sh*t to him with the lasso cause he should know its capabilities given how long they've fought side by side.

Ah yes that obviously just counts for him, gotta love double standards. Or can i also claim now Supes is doing shit to her with his heat vision, just cause of that?

WW doesn't have her lasso, the fight is purely hand to hand.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'd say diana is more aquaman level.

https://s6.postimg.cc/x7poyg42l/RCO014.jpg https://s6.postimg.cc/je1c9bbgd/RCO015.jpg https://s6.postimg.cc/f4wm78fxp/RCO021.jpg

But then they also killed a bunch of white martians in one page.

https://s6.postimg.cc/e2mfolhnx/RCO012.jpg

I'd say Clark too:

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-1.png

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-2.png

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-3.png

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-4.png

https://comicnewbies.com/2016/09/08/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth/

It also nice to see how that writer just completely ignored Diana's seeing through illusions...

Originally posted by gunchar
I'd say Clark too:

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-1.png

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-2.png

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-3.png

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-4.png

https://comicnewbies.com/2016/09/08/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth/

It also nice to see how that writer just completely ignored Diana's seeing through illusions...
A holding back Superman casually puts Aquaman on his ass with one punch and Mera had to save him is Aquaman fighting a non holding back WW punch for punch now?

I mean Superman literally pulled Arthur apart while weakened.

https://s1.postimg.cc/5e3502japn/016_0002.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/15nxq8twsb/016_0003.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/9tlk5bxmdn/016_0004.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/8fz11anmxn/016_0005.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/4407tr4quz/016_0011.jpg

BTW hunter prince defeated Diana and future Arthur shitstomped Hunter.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cyborg-aquaman-vs-justice-leagues-children-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cyborg-aquaman-vs-justice-leagues-children-3.jpg

You can do the math.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mera had to save him

Even weaker than Aquaman and still hurting Supes with her blows, lol.

That whole Aquaman/Mera v Superman fight was a shit fight in a shit comic produced by shitty writer and a shitty editor.

Dont know why people are saying Superman held back. Author just did amazing against him. Was even dodging his punches. During the end of that fight, Superman was losing. Aquaman was pounding away at him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Even weaker than Aquaman and still hurting Supes with her blows, lol.
Meh, its his own comic. Let him have that moment.

And Mera can blow pretty hard if you know what I mean.

Originally posted by carver9
Dont know why people are saying Superman held back. Author just did amazing against him. Was even dodging his punches. During the end of that fight, Superman was losing. Aquaman was pounding away at him.


Now there is this guy.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Now there is this guy.

I'm just saying. You post a scan of Diana and Aquaman fighting but you want to dismiss Aquaman showing against Superman. Be consistent and stop making excuses. Your argument wouldve been solid if Aquaman never fought or had a great showing against Supes.

Originally posted by carver9
Dont know why people are saying Superman held back. Author just did amazing against him. Was even dodging his punches. During the end of that fight, Superman was losing. Aquaman was pounding away at him.

If you're going to lie, at least lie convincingly.

And it's ARTHUR.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A holding back Superman casually puts Aquaman on his ass with one punch and Mera had to save him is Aquaman fighting a non holding back WW punch for punch now?

If that counts as non-holding back Diana(and of course seeing illusions by Grodd as if that would be the DCAU) was Supes getting stopped by Mera even worse(just as hint, i take neither of the two encounters serious by any means).

Originally posted by abhilegend
I mean Superman literally pulled Arthur apart while weakened.

https://s1.postimg.cc/5e3502japn/016_0002.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/15nxq8twsb/016_0003.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/9tlk5bxmdn/016_0004.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/8fz11anmxn/016_0005.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/4407tr4quz/016_0011.jpg


Do i rly need to post the fight now in which a serious Arthur deals zero damage to Diana, while a not rly serious Diana just bashed him into a ship and let him cough blood?

Originally posted by abhilegend
BTW hunter prince defeated Diana and future Arthur shitstomped Hunter.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cyborg-aquaman-vs-justice-leagues-children-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cyborg-aquaman-vs-justice-leagues-children-3.jpg

You can do the math.

My logic tells me that Arthur stands no chance against an amped Supergirl and DC still insanely far away from any kind of consistencey is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That whole Aquaman/Mera v Superman fight was a shit fight in a shit comic produced by shitty writer and a shitty editor.

"I don't like it, it didn't happen."

Also, wasn't it written by Dan Abnett?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"I don't like it, it didn't happen."

Also, wasn't it written by Dan Abnett?

No, I don't like bad things.

Yeah, and ever since Lanning ****ed off he's been hopeless imo.

They actually used to write Aquaman in the early 00s, and their work was much better than this crap.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Meh, its his own comic. Let him have that moment.

And Mera can blow pretty hard if you know what I mean.





I hope she gets a few sex scenes with random dudes in the upcoming film. That's the only way to make it succeed.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That whole Aquaman/Mera v Superman fight was a shit fight in a shit comic produced by shitty writer and a shitty editor.

Indeed, but the Still Force and that idiotic illusions fight in JL 4 is also not quite a new Kingdom Come.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That whole Aquaman/Mera v Superman fight was a shit fight in a shit comic produced by shitty writer and a shitty editor. Superman hits him twice, and both times Mera had to sucker-punch Superman to save Aquaman, who was standing defenseless on the ground, bleeding. Superman, by contrast, was literally without any kind of damage, from Aquaman continuously hitting him. I think it's pretty clear that Aquaman can't even damage Superman with his punches, while Clark would take him down any time he wanted.

There's a reason the sock didn't post all the pages, he was treating them like nagging children:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-5.png

Big dramatic pages of Aquaman punching him don't change that, so meh.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm just saying. You post a scan of Diana and Aquaman fighting but you want to dismiss Aquaman showing against Superman. Be consistent and stop making excuses. Your argument wouldve been solid if Aquaman never fought or had a great showing against Supes.
He didn't have a good showing against Superman though. Superman put him down in one punch.