Flaws with The Rule of Two?

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Kurk
I write this after concluding the Darth Bane trilogy.

Seeing how Zannah went out of her way to give Bane a fair fight was quite contrary to how Sidious resorted to underhand tactics to defeat Plagueis.

Obviously Bane's intention was to have it so that only the most powerful sith survived the power contest, but as we saw with Plagueis & Tenebrous, Sidious & Plagueis, Sidious & Dooku, etc, it eventually became that the most cunning and devious sith would win regardless of their standing with the force.


Now, if I recall correctly, Plagueis inherited Tenebrous's power after killing him, so perhaps the will of the dark-side accommodated for this change in Bane's system?


Bane recognized this as an issue himself when he thought about how Zannah could simply wait for him to become old and decrepit rather than challenge him directly, hence weakening the line of Sith.



Could someone more knowledgeable address this for me?

AncientPower
There are many more flaws than that, but yes, effectively we saw little more than the absorption of the power vacuum left behind after those who were dead got cheapshotted.

It also doesn't help that we can reliably compare Darth Bane's feats with Sith on the other end of the Banite line and see that he comes out very close. Venamis being a prime example of someone who Bane could defeat handily and yet a pre-prime Plagueis still got pushed into a difficult fight.

Once you actually analyse the Bane line, you realise the RoT isn't as effective as others might have you believe.

ares834
Don't know how you could say that.

Sidious is the most powerful (or second most powerful for you Vit fanboys) Sith Lord of all time. That seems pretty damn good to me. But, far more importantly, it created by far the most effective Sith Empire.

DarthPlaguis12

DarthPlaguis12
Also...the rule of two has flaws but obviously it worked as it probably ducked the most powerful with lord Darth Sidious

Freedon Nadd
When they fall in a trap. Bye, bye Sith Lords.

Zentrex
Tenebrous seemed to think the system would accomplish what it was meant to. And he was like a supreme genius, so he'd know what he's talking about. I know the logic doesn't make the same amount of sense in real life, but we're told the later sith are stronger, so they are.

Freedon Nadd
You put too much "thinking" into an individual rather than an entire Order.
Events prove otherwise.
Sidious and Plagueis knew it. That's why they broke it.
Currently: Palpatine's One Sith Code is the most efficient, followed by Krayt's.

LordOfTheLight
It is pretty clearly emphasized that till Tenebrous all apprentices would give their masters a fair fight. More than once in fact, when as per Plagueis Tenebrous was an anachronism.

These attempts to downgrade Banite scaling are amusing, but ultimately futile.

LordOfTheLight
That said, practically speaking, the ROT is far more suited to a more selfless order than an order like the Sith. It works in SW because it is a fictitious story.

MythLord
Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
These attempts to downgrade Banite scaling are amusing, but ultimately futile.
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As many flaws as there are(hey, no plan is 100% perfect), but it's by far the most cunning and effective one the Sith thought up.

LordOfTheLight
Yeah.

Kurk

DarthPlaguis12

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
It is pretty clearly emphasized that till Tenebrous all apprentices would give their masters a fair fight. More than once in fact, when as per Plagueis Tenebrous was an anachronism.

These attempts to downgrade Banite scaling are amusing, but ultimately futile.
Plagueis and Sidious are not Banite Sith(anymore)

Kurk
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relentless1
the biggest flaw from a storytelling POV was that it didn't allow for Maul to survive TPM into the other 2 eps and have Chris Lee involved as well. Dooku couldve been Anakins rival while Maul was Obi Wans and by the time the final showdown happens in ep 3 it'd be a perfect way to show Anakin going dark (kill Dooku) and Obi Wan staying light (sparing Maul)

Kurk
So again, what is the explanation for the Banite Sith continually increasing in power with each generation despite treachery and unscrupulous methods being used to overthrow masters by weaker apprentices?

DarthSkywalker0
Originally posted by Kurk
So again, what is the explanation for the Banite Sith continually increasing in power with each generation despite treachery and unscrupulous methods being used to overthrow masters by weaker apprentices?

Numerous accolades pointing to its existence.

Galan007
Well, it's not like the RoT was strictly adhered to by the time the PT-era rolled around anyway...

Tenebrous: trained more than one apprentice.
Plagueis: wanted to co-rule with Palpatine.
Palpatine: wanted to be the last Sith ever.

Kurk
Didn't RoT fall apart after like the 4th generation anyway? Darth Millenial?

Galan007
I mean, even Bane himself seriously considered disregarding the RoT when he began thinking that Zannah was too weak to usurp him... He, like many others, began looking for ways to expand his own life/power indefinitely and take multiple apprentices if need be.

Freedon Nadd
Originally posted by Kurk
So again, what is the explanation for the Banite Sith continually increasing in power with each generation despite treachery and unscrupulous methods being used to overthrow masters by weaker apprentices?

power=Dark Side knowledge. Not literal Force strength.

Sheev
The ROT is inherently flawed. What if both parties die in a freak starship explosion or something?

Sith become extinct lol.

Freedon Nadd
The Banite Sith definitely. But not the Sith in general.

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