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so basically, i want to establish something here. statements never concerned me. it was stated that juggernaut is stronger now and more powerful, but i am only looking at the feats. so what do you guys think? even depowered juggernaut, was able to break free from icemans freezing. current juggernaut, who is suppose to be this stronger version, was trapped by iceman freezing him and throwing him into the lake like a bag of crap.

classic juggernaut, took a godblast from thor with a laugh. current jugegrnaut, you know the stronger one? got his teeth knock out of his mouth while bleeding, from a hammer strike which wasnt even mjolnir.

current much stronger juggernaut, was stuck into a wall by a cement truck. can we establish for further threads that current juggernaut is basically the same depowered juggernaut? oh wait.. my bad. current juggernaut is actually weaker by feats than depowered juggernaut. so can we at least, establish that classic juggernaut is >>>> all this joke that is going on with juggernaut for the last years? what do you think about the subject?

Well you kinda have to take them with a pinch of salt.

A good example is the Hulk.

WWH was meant to be the strongest Hulk of all time. But by feats, he was less than other Hulks....maybe even Gray Hulk.

But we still go by statements.

All i know is, current Juggernaut got his grill re-arranged by Thor just this week:

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So, either Juggernaut isnt as powerful as he used to be, or if he is, he was never that powerful to begin with, or Thor has gotten a massive power up.

Thor was pretty pissed at that point and it was a charged hammer shot. The hammer before that shattered, and Juggernaut wasn't even budged. He was also manhandling Thor. The deadpool showing was obviously an outlier and a silly one at that (Deadpool!), but the Thor showing was fine.

Classic Juggernaut would need a dentist and a jaw transplant if a pissed off Thor hit him with a charged Mjolnir shot if his force field wasn't up. This showing was consistent with the past.

Can anyone post the whole fight?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you kinda have to take them with a pinch of salt.

A good example is the Hulk.

WWH was meant to be the strongest Hulk of all time. But by feats, he was less than other Hulks....maybe even Gray Hulk.

But we still go by statements.

but should we? i mean if the feats contradict the statements, then how can we go by statements?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor was pretty pissed at that point and it was a charged hammer shot. The hammer before that shattered, and Juggernaut wasn't even budged. He was also manhandling Thor. The deadpool showing was obviously an outlier and a silly one at that (Deadpool!), but the Thor showing was fine.

Classic Juggernaut would need a dentist and a jaw transplant if a pissed off Thor hit him with a charged Mjolnir shot if his force field wasn't up. This showing was consistent with the past.

dont try to excuse this crap. i know the feat is to your liking, but no. classic jugegrnaut took mjolnir strikes easily and even the godblast. classic juggernaut would never feel this hammer strike. so no, classic juggernaut would not suffer the same fate, as you know, was portrayed in their previous fights.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Can anyone post the whole fight?

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Originally posted by juggernaut74
Can anyone post the whole fight?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor vs Juggernaut. One page of fighting with Namor too which wasn't shown sadly.

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That fight is missing a scan.

Originally posted by Dareangel
dont try to excuse this crap. i know the feat is to your liking, but no. classic jugegrnaut took mjolnir strikes easily and even the godblast. classic juggernaut would never feel this hammer strike. so no, classic juggernaut would not suffer the same fate, as you know, was portrayed in their previous fights.

What's their to excuse?

Juggernaut with his FORCE FIELD was portrayed as completely invulnerable. Without it, he is above Herald level in invulnerability but has NEVER been invulnerable to a serious ass kicking from someone like Thor.

This is nothing revolutionary. It's all happened before 30 years ago. Classic Juggernaut would be on his knees sucking Thor's d*ck like Philo's at a Superman convention.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That fight is missing a scan.



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The Art in the New Thor book is shit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That fight is missing a scan.



What's their to excuse?

Juggernaut with his FORCE FIELD was portrayed as completely invulnerable. Without it, he is above Herald level in invulnerability but has NEVER been invulnerable to a serious ass kicking from someone like Thor.

This is nothing revolutionary. It's all happened before 30 years ago. Classic Juggernaut would be on his knees sucking Thor's d*ck like Philo's at a Superman convention.

you do realize the force field was basically his average mystic "force field" granted him by cyttorak. its just that in that specific comics, they decided to portray that in such a way. however, its his average invulnerability. why wont you address the fact he whitstood mjolnir strikes all the damn time without getting hurt as well as a godblast?

That was a high end portrayal of his durability. He's been hurt by far less.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


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Juggernaut definately looks stronger than Thor, he just don't have an answer for that hammer.

Didn't Thor have to break every hammer over Juggernaut's face to win?

Certainly not his worst feat if you ignore it being Aaron Thor that is.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Can anyone post the whole fight?
Looks like EVERYBODY could!

Originally posted by Dareangel
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Originally posted by Dareangel
dont try to excuse this crap. i know the feat is to your liking, but no. classic jugegrnaut took mjolnir strikes easily and even the godblast. classic juggernaut would never feel this hammer strike. so no, classic juggernaut would not suffer the same fate, as you know, was portrayed in their previous fights. It's been a while but didn't Thor shred Juggernaut helmet with a punch?Originally posted by One Big Mob
Didn't Thor have to break every hammer over Juggernaut's face to win?

Certainly not his worst feat if you ignore it being Aaron Thor that is. He says he broke all of them so he could escape.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That was a high end portrayal of his durability. He's been hurt by far less.

that was his portrayal against thor so thats how the things go. he has some PIS low bullshit, but overall, this IS his durability.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Didn't Thor have to break every hammer over Juggernaut's face to win?

Certainly not his worst feat if you ignore it being Aaron Thor that is.

again, even if juggernaut was indeed superior to thor physically in this one, the fact thor was able to hurt him like that, while in the past, he took mjolnir strikes and the godblast like nothing, puts this fight as an extremely low showing for juggernaut.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
It's been a while but didn't Thor shred Juggernaut helmet with a punch? He says he broke all of them so he could escape.

yes, it was in the issue rage stated. in that issue, thor was able to cancel jugegrnauts mystical invulnerability force for a time. during that time, he was able to hurt juggernaut, because jugegrnaut lost his powers. however juggernaut regained them, and thor couldnt hurt him anymore.

so what if he broke all the hammers? the thing is, thor with a hammer that isnt even mjolnir, was able to knock his teeth out. that showing is an extremely low showing for juggernauts durability.

Originally posted by Dareangel
again, even if juggernaut was indeed superior to thor physically in this one, the fact thor was able to hurt him like that, while in the past, he took mjolnir strikes and the godblast like nothing, puts this fight as an extremely low showing for juggernaut. A simple candle hurt Cain in the past, a strike from a Asgardian hammer knocking a tooth out isn't that far fetched. Cain appeard to be much stronger than Thor in this issue which is spot on.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
A simple candle hurt Cain in the past, a strike from a Asgardian hammer knocking a tooth out isn't that far fetched. Cain appeard to be much stronger than Thor in this issue which is spot on.

even if he has worse showings, its still a very low showing for his durability. knocking his teeth out with a randim hammer strike? really? juggernaut who is invulnerable to physical harm? or at the very minimum highly resistant? that was either a lazy writing or intentional on purpose bully writing.

I'm fine with the showing, especially since Thor said that he hurt him enough so he could escape the fight.

ok thats your own opinion. i dont buy this bullshit of lets give juggernaut more strength but in exchange, we take away his duarbility.

Originally posted by Dareangel
ok thats your own opinion. i dont buy this bullshit of lets give juggernaut more strength but in exchange, we take away his duarbility. His strength is vastly increased but by how much we don't know but he's definitely stronger than before confirmed by Colossus and by Thor.

When Juggernaut was on the X-Men, Excalibur, Thunderbolts, he stated he was half as strong as he was before. I bet this new Juggernaut is twice as strong as he was before.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
His strength is vastly increased but by how much we don't know but he's definitely stronger than before confirmed by Colossus and by Thor.

When Juggernaut was on the X-Men, Excalibur, Thunderbolts, he stated he was half as strong as he was before. I bet this new Juggernaut is twice as strong as he was before.

well in this specific fight, he maybe is stronger, but has much lower durability. however, in his other showing vs iceman, he is actually weaker than depowered. when he was depowered, he was able to break free from iceman freezing him. however, this new juggernaut was frozen by iceman and thrown into the lake.

True. Juggernaut when he first lost his power was able to wade through Iceman's attacks as if they were nothing and right before he got them back in Amazing X-Men he was able to break free from being frozen by Iceman.

Gotta love comic consistency.

Yeah but Iceman was a little ***** before. (Still is), but he got a lot more powerful.

Originally posted by Dareangel
well in this specific fight, he maybe is stronger, but has much lower durability. however, in his other showing vs iceman, he is actually weaker than depowered. when he was depowered, he was able to break free from iceman freezing him. however, this new juggernaut was frozen by iceman and thrown into the lake.


That actually first happened in the cartoons about 10 years ago, iirc.

Starts with Rogue giving Juggs a dusting first, though:

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Source: X-Men Evolution
Episode: The Stuff of Heroes
Circa: 2008 (?)

He was a mutant in that show.

Originally posted by Damborgson
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He is actually the user who posts those videos.

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Originally posted by Dareangel
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Originally posted by Damborgson
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Originally posted by Dareangel
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Alright, good

Originally posted by Dareangel
again, even if juggernaut was indeed superior to thor physically in this one, the fact thor was able to hurt him like that, while in the past, he took mjolnir strikes and the godblast like nothing, puts this fight as an extremely low showing for juggernaut.

What about FORCE FIELD do you not understand?

It's like you're trying to be outraged.

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Thor just one shot the Juggernaut and the writer of the book says that he's more powerful than ever. Thor was/is still unworthy. That should answer the OP's question.

There was actually a huge battle that took place after that where Thor broke nearly all the hammers left on Juggernaut.

Thor also said he escaped Juggernaut.

Didn't Thor hit Juggernaut flush in the face with Mjolnir during the 8th day Saga and couldn't phase the Juggernaut who didn't have his force field up. Also World War Hulk landed flush punches to Juggernaut with out his force field up and couldn't hurt or draw blood.

Even if you want to believe the Juggernaut is physically stronger ( Even though clearly he isn't) His durability is much worse now. As some one stated depowered Jugggernaut broke free of being frozen by Iceman like it was nothing. He pretty much dominated Thor in every one on one battle with his classic powers. Even when Thor was able to bring down his force field that one battle ( which for some reason made him less durable). Thor couldn't knock him down. When his powers return he dominated Thor and had to be removed from the battlefield.

If Marvel if going to continue to make Juggernaut lose every time he fight, I would prefer if they just killed him already.

Originally posted by Damborgson
There was actually a huge battle that took place after that where Thor broke nearly all the hammers left on Juggernaut.

Those hammers were garbage.

The whole comic was garbage.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
The whole comic was garbage.

I know. It was as if it was sketched in haste by a 3rd grader, and written by a battle board troll.

Agreed with both of you.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Agreed with both of you.

Let's hope that they don't begin trolling Beta Ray Bill. At times I really wonder if the writers at Marvel are huge fans of DC, because some things make no sense. Juggernaut is still as weak as he was when his master turned the lights off on him, and he's being portrayed as a lack-wit on Rhino's level.

The showing wasn't that bad. By my count there was at least 18 hammers shown and he broke them all "beating" the Juggernaut, which wasn't even shown to happen. Come to think of it I doubt Thor did beat Cain because he said that he hurt him enough for him to escape. So most likely Juggernaut was stunned enough for Thor to grab the eye and get the f*ck out of town.

Thor must have beaten Namor as well because we see them fighting and then a while later Thor is shown at the harbor.

Originally posted by Stoic
Let's hope that they don't begin trolling Beta Ray Bill. At times I really wonder if the writers at Marvel are huge fans of DC, because some things make no sense. Juggernaut is still as weak as he was when his master turned the lights off on him, and he's being portrayed as a lack-wit on Rhino's level.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The showing wasn't that bad. By my count there was at least 18 hammers shown and he broke them all "beating" the Juggernaut, which wasn't even shown to happen. Come to think of it I doubt Thor did beat Cain because he said that he hurt him enough for him to escape. So most likely Juggernaut was stunned enough for Thor to grab the eye and get the f*ck out of town.

Thor must have beaten Namor as well because we see them fighting and then a while later Thor is shown at the harbor.

Classic Cain had a mystical healing factor capable of mitigating any damage that got past his extraordinary supernatural body armor. They've gimped Cain. In an attempt to reduce his super tenacity, they've simply replaced unstoppable with slightly hard to hurt.

Cain was originally written to be a being that could not be outfought under conventional means. BFR, magic to a degree, or trickery was the only way to get this guy out of there.

The fight was silly, mainly because Juggernaut himself explicitly stated that he was more powerful than EVER before... Yet Thor proceeded to own him with a few serious attacks.

Was it Juggy's "worst" showing? Obviously not. Could it have been better? Sure... But I don't expect much when it comes to Aaron/Thor(not sure why anyone does..?) ermm

Yea it wasn't his worst showing. Obviously the last part of the of the fight wasn't shown but as I said I got the impression Thor couldn't really keep Juggy down so once he broke all of his hammers he got out of there as soon as he could.

thor stated there was a lot of blood and that juggernaut was hurt enough for him to escape. therefor, juggernaut was either knocked out or at the very least, stunned on the ground. this is a very low showing for him, considering thor doesnt even have mjolnir.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What about FORCE FIELD do you not understand?

It's like you're trying to be outraged.

again, this whole force field thing, was brought only once. in my own opinion, the logical explanation is that this force field, is just the cyttorak enhancement we all know about. its just that in that specific comics, they decided to portray the mystical ehancement as a force field.