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Thragg takes on another Kryptonian

Lol what? Thragg adds her to his harem.

Split

Supergirl.

Thats beyond cradle snatching.

Originally posted by Zack M
Supergirl.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol what? Thragg adds her to his harem.

People hate Thragg, I guess.

Thragg takes her as a mother bearing wife against her will. Poor Kara.

New 52 Kara was actually pretty formidable.. She beat down New Lobo.

Honestly, what answer does Thragg have for heat vision?

Hotter then the sun, and we saw how that turned out.

Originally posted by cdtm
New 52 Kara was actually pretty formidable.. She beat down New Lobo.

Honestly, what answer does Thragg have for heat vision?

Hotter then the sun, and we saw how that turned out. she also broke past her own limits and threw a few dozen punches in a second (which really isn't impressive considering how fast Thragg is).

Same answer that Omni-man had. A level of durability that can enable him to temporarily resist it. It's not like he's just going to stand there and let her shoot him either.

Kara was also fast enough to tag Flash. Does Thragg have any combat feats like that?

Originally posted by Zack M
Kara was also fast enough to tag Flash. Does Thragg have any combat feats like that? ....she was going all out and he was clearly shown to be trying to reason with her. That's like saying that Catman hitting Bane multiple times is impressive. When one character is letting themselves get beat on/not fighting back, it's not very impressive.

He blitzed several FTL characters at the same time; consisting of Invincible, Omni-man, Allen the Alien, and Thaddeus. He fought Battle Beast for several days straight and was moving faster than the Space Racer's FTL tech could track him even with his intestines literally falling out.

Originally posted by deathslash
....she was going all out and he was clearly shown to be trying to reason with her. That's like saying that Catman hitting Bane multiple times is impressive. When one character is letting themselves get beat on/not fighting back, it's not very impressive.

He blitzed several FTL characters at the same time; consisting of Invincible, Omni-man, Allen the Alien, and Thaddeus. He fought Battle Beast for several days straight and was moving faster than the Space Racer's FTL tech could track him even with his intestines literally falling out.

She still blittz the fastest man alive...twice.

You still ignored the context, once.

Originally posted by Zack M
Kara was also fast enough to tag Flash. Does Thragg have any combat feats like that?

Meh. Deathstroke, Dr Light, Heatwave, Captain Cold, Sinestro. Hal Jordan, and more characters tag Flash. None I listed are Superman speed.

However if we want to use this as a speed feat, I can counter with Omni Man fast enough to tag and keep up with Supreme in a fight. A character who is everybit Superman level including lightspeed punches and stuff.

Also in bio, its stated that Time Dialation happens closer Mark fights at Lightspeed, and when he hits faster than light the world is still anyway. Considering Mark can cross the galaxy fast enough that stars are a blur streak, I dont see why he is slower than Kara.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Meh. Deathstroke, Dr Light, Heatwave, Captain Cold, Sinestro. Hal Jordan, and more characters tag Flash. None I listed are Superman speed.

However if we want to use this as a speed feat, I can counter with Omni Man fast enough to tag and keep up with Supreme in a fight. A character who is everybit Superman level including lightspeed punches and stuff.

Also in bio, its stated that Time Dialation happens closer Mark fights at Lightspeed, and when he hits faster than light the world is still anyway. Considering Mark can cross the galaxy fast enough that stars are a blur streak, I dont see why he is slower than Kara.

Slade usually uses prep. Cold has his field, so it's not exactly a low feat.

Originally posted by Zack M
Slade usually uses prep. Cold has his field, so it's not exactly a low feat.

Prep does nothing to argue pro Deathstroke. Half the time Flash or Kid Flash run into his attacks regardless of prep. No excuse to see the world still and not see his attack coming. Ever. Cold Field helps but I seen Cold flat out tag Flash with the Cold Gun, sam for Heatwave and Abra with attacks. There is no logical reason for this. These guys are statues to Flash.

Point is saying so and so tag Flash is like saying random street level hero dodge lasers. Means nothing as a speed feat IMO.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Prep does nothing to argue pro Deathstroke. Half the time Flash or Kid Flash run into his attacks regardless of prep. No excuse to see the world still and not see his attack coming. Ever. Cold Field helps but I seen Cold flat out tag Flash with the Cold Gun, sam for Heatwave and Abra with attacks. There is no logical reason for this. These guys are statues to Flash.

Point is saying so and so tag Flash is like saying random street level hero dodge lasers. Means nothing as a speed feat IMO.

Exactly.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Meh. Deathstroke, Dr Light, Heatwave, Captain Cold, Sinestro. Hal Jordan, and more characters tag Flash. None I listed are Superman speed.

*cough* Catwoman*cough*

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Prep does nothing to argue pro Deathstroke. Half the time Flash or Kid Flash run into his attacks regardless of prep. No excuse to see the world still and not see his attack coming. Ever. Cold Field helps but I seen Cold flat out tag Flash with the Cold Gun, sam for Heatwave and Abra with attacks. There is no logical reason for this. These guys are statues to Flash.

Point is saying so and so tag Flash is like saying random street level hero dodge lasers. Means nothing as a speed feat IMO.
They do it like this?

https://www.abload.de/img/supergirl16-2wakps.jpg

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Prep does nothing to argue pro Deathstroke. Half the time Flash or Kid Flash run into his attacks regardless of prep. No excuse to see the world still and not see his attack coming. Ever. Cold Field helps but I seen Cold flat out tag Flash with the Cold Gun, sam for Heatwave and Abra with attacks. There is no logical reason for this. These guys are statues to Flash.

Point is saying so and so tag Flash is like saying random street level hero dodge lasers. Means nothing as a speed feat IMO.

Scans?

Originally posted by deathslash
*cough* Catwoman*cough*

*cough* Lady Shiva *cough*

Originally posted by abhilegend
They do it like this?

https://www.abload.de/img/supergirl16-2wakps.jpg

Pretty much what I was going to say.

There's a difference between Hal inexplicably grabbing Zoom II, who even peak Wally with speed amps from two other speedsters can't keep up with, and a blow by blow narrative of two speedsters interacting.

Originally posted by deathslash
*cough* Catwoman*cough*

Low balling .

Originally posted by abhilegend
They do it like this?

https://www.abload.de/img/supergirl16-2wakps.jpg
Kinda yeah. In the thread of mine I showed Omni man speed blitzing everyone including a speester who is so fast he moves across the country without ever seeming to move. I can also say feats of this is far superior to the scan of Supergirl in a panel by panel fight vs a jobbing Flash.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5026282

This is better proof of speeds and speed reaction IMO.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Kinda yeah. In the thread of mine I showed Omni man speed blitzing everyone including a speester who is so fast he moves across the country without ever seeming to move. I can also say feats of this is far superior to the scan of Supergirl in a panel by panel fight vs a jobbing Flash.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5026282

This is better proof of speeds and speed reaction IMO.
You mean like this?

https://i.imgur.com/cIr3ug5.jpg

Or like this?

Supergirl and Kenan Kong (Chinese Superman) catch bullets from 1300 miles away.
https://s1.postimg.org/1oae84sqtb/084_0006.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/4mmobn1fq7/084_0007.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/1ru05unbjj/084_0008.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/2d3ns5impb/084_0009.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/3n6kyh1gvj/084_0010.jpg

And Red Lantern Supergirl flew across the galaxy within moments.

https://postimg.cc/image/8oxoyg2m3/
https://postimg.cc/image/joiwa3b1n/

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean like this?

https://i.imgur.com/cIr3ug5.jpg

that's not even lightspeed...

You are right. It's not lightspeed.

Coding a few quintillion lines of code in an eyeblink is massively, massively, massively, faster than light.

Objectively, its a far better speed feat than anything in the Invincible-verse.

So yeah, Kara speed blitzes Thragg.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You are right. It's not lightspeed.

Coding a few quintillion lines of code in an eyeblink is massively, massively, massively, faster than light.

Objectively, its a far better speed feat than anything in the Invincible-verse.

So yeah, Kara speed blitzes Thragg.

in what world did you get the notion that's anywhere near lightspeed? show your calc

I've calc'd it before in another thread.

Won't bother pulling it up on account of you not being a serious poster.

But, I'll put it this way. If you had nanosecond level reactions, (light moves 1 foot in a nanosecond), 1 real time second would feel like roughly 32 years to you.

Her feat here requires far beyond nanosecond level reactions.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I've calc'd it before in another thread.

Won't bother pulling it up on account of you not being a serious poster.

But, I'll put it this way. If you had nanosecond level reactions, (light moves 1 foot in a nanosecond), 1 real time second would feel like roughly 32 years to you.

Her feat here requires far beyond nanosecond level reactions.

I know how these things work which is why I'm asking you to prove your point...which you have yet to do. I've done calcs plenty of times on here, sooooo maybe you're unsure of your calc being legit, it's okay. later I'll calc it myself

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You are right. It's not lightspeed.

Coding a few quintillion lines of code in an eyeblink is massively, massively, massively, faster than light.

Objectively, its a far better speed feat than anything in the Invincible-verse.

So yeah, Kara speed blitzes Thragg.

Thats false. Travleiiing whole lengths of the galaxy and able to wormhole jump from space to space at the atomic level is far faster IMO.

The Red Lantern Supergirl feat is a amp feat with ring too which is funny to even add that in. Both these characters can and have traverse the galaxy and both are faster than light. Both are slower than Flash too. period.

Fan Calcs are bullshit too. Your making assumptions base on art work and panel by panels for time frames not stated. Auto fail. No one can come online here and claim to be Stephen Hawking in showing accurate calcs of this kind of level.

In the end all we have is speed feats that look fast and stated fast. both are FTL speed, and in combat speed able to fight across the world faster than people can track. Examples like Mark vs Conquest, Nolan vs Supreme, or Battle Beast vs Thragg. Supergirl is not faster by feats. That simple.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I know how these things work

Certainly not, my dear sweet idiot.

The fact that you couldn't tell it was massively FTL immediately from the figures given already tells that you aren't really used to navigating these figures.

Let's make it much simpler, and go with a task far more straight forward than coding/typing; mere counting.

How long would it take you to count to 1 quintillion? No, scratch that. How long would it take you to count to something much smaller like 1 billion?
https://www.quora.com/How-long-would-it-take-a-human-being-to-count-to-1-billion-one-at-a-time

Assuming it takes you exactly one second to count each number, it would take you nearly 32 years to count to 1 billion (In reality it would take more as the larger numbers would take more than 1 second to count out).

If you were fast enough to count to 1 billion in a second, you would have nanosecond+ reactions; I.E. lightspeed to faster than light reactions.

If Kara only had nanosecond level reactions, she would be immensely too slow to accomplish this feat in an eyeblink.

Toodles.

Originally posted by Zack M
Low balling . You just helped me prove a point buddy.

1. It's another example that helps prove that the flash isn't some untouchable beast in the comics. He regularly gets wrecked by people that should be statues to him. How is it a low showing if his average showing against skilled martial artists leaves him choking on his own teeth?

2. Lowballing is just the other side of the same coin. You constantly highball and act as if it's the average. Using lowballing or highballing to decide a point is rediculous. We go off of averages.

3. I personally believe that Thragg's average is above Supergirl.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Thats false. Travleiiing whole lengths of the galaxy and able to wormhole jump from space to space at the atomic level is far faster IMO.

No.

Flight speeds through space is a trope speed for the most part, very rarely is it treated as pure combat speed.

Even a guy with no real super speed reactions like Vulcan have FTL travel speed feats. IIRC back in the 90s Rogue has flown from low space back down to the Earth in like a few seconds. If you took that seriously you would have to think she was faster than Quicksilver in combat, which is obviously false.

Even in the MCU, Mjolnir is fast enough to fly through space, and yet MCU Thor certainly does not have anything close to relativistic or light speed reactions, since he was so slow that Quicksilver blitzed him. The same Quicksilver that Joss Wedon has said is only roughly bullet speed.

Supergirl's best travel feats are far better than traversing Galaxies level lengths anyway.

Oh and this:



Is explicitly false. The figures and time frames are given to us outright. Quintillions of lines of code. Time frame? Eye-blink. Simple.

Regardless, calcs are the only objective way to know the actual magnitude of feats. The point is to eliminate subjectivity as much as possible. You are welcome to your opinion but its not treated as a serious opinion at any real versus board. Calcs are absolutely necessary.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Certainly not, my dear sweet idiot.

The fact that you couldn't tell it was massively FTL immediately from the figures given already tells that you aren't really used to navigating these figures.

Let's make it much simpler, and go with a task far more straight forward than coding/typing; mere counting.

How long would it take you to count to 1 quintillion? No, scratch that. How long would it take you to count to something much smaller like 1 billion?
https://www.quora.com/How-long-would-it-take-a-human-being-to-count-to-1-billion-one-at-a-time

Assuming it takes you exactly one second to count each number, it would take you nearly 32 years to count to 1 billion (In reality it would take more as the larger numbers would take more than 1 second to count out).

If you were fast enough to count to 1 billion in a second, you would have nanosecond+ reactions; I.E. lightspeed to faster than light reactions.

If Kara only had nanosecond level reactions, she would be immensely too slow to accomplish this feat in an eyeblink.

Toodles.


riiiight, even assuming you're actually right, movement speed isn't combat speed

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
riiiight, even assuming you're actually right, movement speed isn't combat speed

You can move without fighting, but you can't fight without moving.

How fast you can move, deternines how fast you can fight.

Originally posted by cdtm
You can move without fighting, but you can't fight without moving.

How fast you can move, deternines how fast you can fight.

No.

not how it works.. at all

Combat requires lots of back and forth movement so it's more about being able to accelerate to a certain speed in a short period of time, with movement it's typically measured over a long distance so you have plenty of time to reach your top speed. this is a simple concept

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean like this?

https://i.imgur.com/cIr3ug5.jpg

Or like this?

Supergirl and Kenan Kong (Chinese Superman) catch bullets from 1300 miles away.
https://s1.postimg.org/1oae84sqtb/084_0006.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/4mmobn1fq7/084_0007.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/1ru05unbjj/084_0008.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/2d3ns5impb/084_0009.jpg
https://s1.postimg.org/3n6kyh1gvj/084_0010.jpg

And Red Lantern Supergirl flew across the galaxy within moments.

https://postimg.cc/image/8oxoyg2m3/
https://postimg.cc/image/joiwa3b1n/

the links for supergirl catching bullets is broken

The last scan, she was amped with the red ring which means that ft is irrelevant.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No.

Flight speeds through space is a trope speed for the most part, very rarely is it treated as pure combat speed.

Even a guy with no real super speed reactions like Vulcan have FTL travel speed feats. IIRC back in the 90s Rogue has flown from low space back down to the Earth in like a few seconds. If you took that seriously you would have to think she was faster than Quicksilver in combat, which is obviously false.

Even in the MCU, Mjolnir is fast enough to fly through space, and yet MCU Thor certainly does not have anything close to relativistic or light speed reactions, since he was so slow that Quicksilver blitzed him. The same Quicksilver that Joss Wedon has said is only roughly bullet speed.

Supergirl's best travel feats are far better than traversing Galaxies level lengths anyway.

Oh and this:



Is explicitly false. The figures and time frames are given to us outright. Quintillions of lines of code. Time frame? Eye-blink. Simple.

Regardless, calcs are the only objective way to know the actual magnitude of feats. The point is to eliminate subjectivity as much as possible. You are welcome to your opinion but its not treated as a serious opinion at any real versus board. Calcs are absolutely necessary.

Yet the Invincible crew can traverse galaxies fine in what seems a few panels. Not sure why Supergirl is any different speed wise Truth be Told. She has shown such limited speed in combat anyway. Outside fighting Flash which is as much proof as Supreme (who can traverse the universe in seconds) fighting Omni Man near equally. In the end, nothing Supergirl done is faster, and their is comparable feats for Thragg.

Your feat with stated time is "Calculable". Your feats with Supergirl doing something that looks fast in panels with no stated time is not.

You stated Supergirl speed with the quintillion computer code? Neat. I can raise that with the stated fact Time Dialtion hitting lightspeed is a thing for Viltrumites. Meaning once they hit lightspeed, they see the world at such speeds anyway. Since they are FTL and stated as such the affect only multiplies. So by that alone nothing special for Supergirl.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/4659420-2.png


Speed is not a easy thing to argue when both characters are FTL.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You are right. It's not lightspeed.

Coding a few quintillion lines of code in an eyeblink is massively, massively, massively, faster than light.

Objectively, its a far better speed feat than anything in the Invincible-verse.

So yeah, Kara speed blitzes Thragg.

Thragg gets beaten to a bloody pulp.

I'd be a billionaire for how many times Abhi posts broken links. the 1500 mile bullet catching feat isn't loading, and Catching bullets from 1300 miles away is around lightspeed, depending how far the bullet travels before it's caught and what kind of bullet it is. Light travels 186 000 miles in a second. Light can thus travel 1300 miles in ~0.007 seconds. A high powered rifle bullet travels ~20 feet in that time. A pistol round, trundling along at ~1000 feet per second, doesn't quite make 7 feet in that time. So someone who can react and move at, say, ~10x lightspeed, isn't going to have ANY problem catching bullets at 1300 miles away (assuming they magically know it has been fired).

Hey everyone, Iron Fist has lightspeed reflex's!

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3626875-bullet+catch.jpg

Bag just said so, so it must be true.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hey everyone, Iron Fist has lightspeed reflex's!

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3626875-bullet+catch.jpg

Bag just said so, so it must be true.

what are you talking about

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
what are you talking about

"..and Catching bullets from 1300 miles away is around lightspeed, depending how far the bullet travels before it's caught and what kind of bullet it is."


Sniper rifle catch.

Lightspeed reflex's confirmed.