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no. go use google

Originally posted by ghostman
no. go use google
No one is going to drop this anytime soon

Originally posted by xJLxKing

No one is going to drop this anytime soon

I missed that. When did Baz say it?

Surfer has traveled so fast that he went back in time...

http://i.imgur.com/8pSaRNo.jpg

Combat speed? Both are terrible.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has traveled so fast that he went back in time...

http://i.imgur.com/8pSaRNo.jpg

Combat speed? Both are terrible.
Superman has as well.
Most recently, he went back in time to visit Krypton before it exploded

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has traveled so fast that he went back in time...

http://i.imgur.com/8pSaRNo.jpg

Combat speed? Both are terrible.

100 % agreed.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman has as well.
Most recently, he went back in time to visit Krypton before it exploded

Was there context to the showing? Please provide scans.

Ironman has flown FTL. Does he have FTL combat speed? Terrax has as well along with Firelord. Comics bro; comics.

Originally posted by carver9
Was there context to the showing? Please provide scans. No, go use google!


It's action comics 992

the "no go use google" is popular around here eh?

Well guess what?

stop using it

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, go use google!


It's action comics 992

I've seen it. When he was on the treadmill?

Originally posted by carver9
I've seen it. When he was on the treadmill?
Yes

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has traveled so fast that he went back in time...

http://i.imgur.com/8pSaRNo.jpg

Combat speed? Both are terrible.

Superman has terrible combat speed? Carver, have you seen how fast he can run? This is not flight speed, but the speed at which his limbs can move. Think about it. Superman would beat the shit out of Surfer in a fist fight. It would be like 1000 punches to one, and that's being generous.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes

Batman accessing connection into the speed force was able to travel in time using the Batmobile.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159413-batman+-+the+red+death+%282017-%29+001-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159415-batman+-+the+red+death+%282017-%29+001-010.jpg


Got this from a buddy...

The speed is needed for different reason, it was stated in Blue Beetle #13 by Terri Magnus (Flash of the Future, has Speed Force powers, slower than Mach 10.000, can't time travel on her own speed) that super speed is used to super-speed treadmill to maximum chronosity (Batman did the same with below speed of sound batmobile ), and the cosmic rays (or other form of energy, in this instance it was Blue Beetle's scarab) push the tachyon level to the limit, which creates high-frequency vibrations inside them and makes them travel through time.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159425-blue+beetle+%282016-%29+013-005.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159426-blue+beetle+%282016-%29+013-004.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman has terrible combat speed? Carver, have you seen how fast he can run? This is not flight speed, but the speed at which his limbs can move. Think about it. Superman would beat the shit out of Surfer in a fist fight. It would be like 1000 punches to one, and that's being generous.

How fast can he run?

Surfer has moved his arms within a nano second and his combat speed still isnt great. Do you know what combat speed is?

How does any of that negate the fact that Superman's limbs move far faster than the Surfer's?

Originally posted by Stoic
How does any of that negate the fact that Superman's limbs move far faster than the Surfer's?

It probably does but that doesnt change what I said though. This also applies to Gladiator as well. His combat speed isnt that great.

Originally posted by carver9
How fast can he run?

Surfer has moved his arms within a nano second and his combat speed still isnt great. Do you know what combat speed is?

i'll shut up once you've shown me Surfer ever running across America at the speed that Superman has.

Originally posted by carver9
It probably does but that doesnt change what I said though. This also applies to Gladiator as well. His combat speed isnt that great.

Gladiator and Superman can run far faster than the Surfer. This means that their limbs move faster than his does. Your argument doesn't make much sense. Think about it. Superman would out punch Surfer like no ones business. I'll repeat it again, his running speed says everything that's needed in this case.

well for one this is just travel speed, and certainly not applicable to combat speed but still impressive

https://s8.postimg.cc/ya62ckvfl/image.jpg

Spider-Man is physically faster than Surfer, let alone Superman.

in travel speed? No. Surfer far outclasses Superman in that department

They both have some pretty stupid travel speed. SS had insane speed when trying to take the Gauntlet from Thanos. It was even more impressive because the writer put emphasis on both the sheer speed and distance. Same can be said for Superman's Vega to earth distance.


In terms of averages, whether it's combat or travel Superman is much better. Partially due to the fact that Superman's power set is mostly Heat vision, Super Strength,speed, and invulnerability. It's more likely he will use his speed than someone who has other capabilities. Furthermore, Superman's environment in comics enables him to use combat like superspeed, like reading books or doing chores.

Superman has zero travel speed feats coming anywhere close to Surfers

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
in travel speed? No. Surfer far outclasses Superman in that department

That has never been proven, because it cannot be proven.

Lol for every Superman feat u can post I can post a better one for surfer

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Lol for every Superman feat u can post I can post a better one for surfer

https://imgur.com/lqCsN8v
https://imgur.com/Afvb1U5

And this is just recently, Superman nearly instantaneously catches up to the flashes, who high father confused with a disruption in the source wall and were tearing up the fabric of the multiverse.

And a classic:

https://imgur.com/bCTaOS7
https://imgur.com/LsufPN8

From Vega to Earth in a few moments

Remember you said they have to be FAR greater, not just better

Originally posted by Damborgson
https://imgur.com/lqCsN8v
https://imgur.com/Afvb1U5

And this is just recently, Superman nearly instantaneously catches up to the flashes, who high father confused with a disruption in the source wall and were tearing up the fabric of the multiverse.

And a classic:

https://imgur.com/bCTaOS7
https://imgur.com/LsufPN8

From Vega to Earth in a few moments

Remember you said they have to be FAR greater, not just better

wtf the first one isn't even quantifiable.

Surfer outran the multiverse already

and when I mean speed feats, they have to be QUANTIFIABLE where you can calc how fast it is SMH

Dodging and running from your own claims already, eh?

Originally posted by panthergod
Dodging and running from your own claims already, eh?

What?

He outran the destruction of the multiverse not too along ago, you'd know this if you read surfer comics. so no superman has no comparable feat

When Surfer travels back in time, he does do by accessing a dimension where all timelines merge.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11133/111332122/6104590-2793612885-RCO02.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11133/111332122/6104591-1883819500-RCO03.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11133/111332122/6104592-8679372431-RCO03.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11133/111332122/6104593-2795201014-RCO03.jpg

Carvebaziemark leaving context as usual.

I didn't post that feat DID I though?

and Surfer has a sextillion speed feat

It doesn't really matter. Even if he ran fast to reach time travel speed, Superman has already done it. It really doesn't matter.

Post it then.

Sure, let's take a a speed feat the Silver Surfer did, where he crossed 500,000 light years in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111162130/5113026-silver+surfer+vol.+3%2C+issue+109.1%2C+warp+speed.jpg



1-The narrator states that Surfer is "half a million" lightyears away (500,000) from the standoff (where Tyrant is battling Galactus) when he starts to take off towards them...

Thats the distance



2. As for the time frame, no specific one was given. All we know is Surfer crossed that distance in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy. Which, upon reading their dialogue and timing it, comes out to about 30 seconds

---> Therefore, Silver Surfer traveled 500,000 lightyears in half a minute

For the calculator that I use from this site (http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm) I have to 1st convert 500,000 lightyears to miles

- 500,000 lightyears = 2.939e18 (quintillion) miles

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to...



Now take the Distance (2.939e18 miles) and the Time (30 seconds) and input into this site...

http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm

And it shows that the speed required to cross 500,000 lightyears in 30 seconds would be 9.7980e16 miles per second (97.9 quadrillion mps)




However, that is just the bare minimum he can achieve. Over 525 billion x LS is a low estimate because the scans reveal further context in regards to his speed

I won't get into that, because late. maybe tomorrow, but that was a massive lowball and he went at that speed

Oh just that fast? Superman traveled across the universe within 60 days when the DC universe is at least two hundred trillion lightyears across.

Nah not really. Surfer have tons of quadrillion-sextillion feats. I'll try to post them tomorrow, but where has Post crisis superman even come close to scale/range of speed anyway?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Nah not really. Surfer have tons of quadrillion-sextillion feats. I'll try to post them tomorrow, but where has Post crisis superman even come close to scale/range of speed anyway? Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh just that fast? Superman traveled across the universe within 60 days when the DC universe is at least two hundred trillion lightyears across.

ROFL I already know about that. that was calced in the billions range, not impressive

and I'm talking quadrillions-sextillion range

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post it then.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Sure, let's take a a speed feat the Silver Surfer did, where he crossed 500,000 light years in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111162130/5113026-silver+surfer+vol.+3%2C+issue+109.1%2C+warp+speed.jpg



1-The narrator states that Surfer is "half a million" lightyears away (500,000) from the standoff (where Tyrant is battling Galactus) when he starts to take off towards them...

Thats the distance



2. As for the time frame, no specific one was given. All we know is Surfer crossed that distance in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy. Which, upon reading their dialogue and timing it, comes out to about 30 seconds

---> Therefore, Silver Surfer traveled 500,000 lightyears in half a minute

For the calculator that I use from this site (http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm) I have to 1st convert 500,000 lightyears to miles

- 500,000 lightyears = 2.939e18 (quintillion) miles

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to...



Now take the Distance (2.939e18 miles) and the Time (30 seconds) and input into this site...

http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm

And it shows that the speed required to cross 500,000 lightyears in 30 seconds would be 9.7980e16 miles per second (97.9 quadrillion mps)




However, that is just the bare minimum he can achieve. Over 525 billion x LS is a low estimate because the scans reveal further context in regards to his speed

Just 500000 lightyears? Crossing 200 trillion lightyears in 60 days means Superman traveled across 38580246.9 lightyears in each second.


https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new&q=200+trillion%2F%2860*24*60*60%29&oq=200+trillion%2F%2860*24*60*60%29&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..&zpn=3

So Superman is literally hundreds of times faster than Surfer at his best showing.

Originally posted by carver9
Batman accessing connection into the speed force was able to travel in time using the Batmobile.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159413-batman+-+the+red+death+%282017-%29+001-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159415-batman+-+the+red+death+%282017-%29+001-010.jpg


Got this from a buddy...

The speed is needed for different reason, it was stated in Blue Beetle #13 by Terri Magnus (Flash of the Future, has Speed Force powers, slower than Mach 10.000, can't time travel on her own speed) that super speed is used to super-speed treadmill to maximum chronosity (Batman did the same with below speed of sound batmobile ), and the cosmic rays (or other form of energy, in this instance it was Blue Beetle's scarab) push the tachyon level to the limit, which creates high-frequency vibrations inside them and makes them travel through time.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159425-blue+beetle+%282016-%29+013-005.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159426-blue+beetle+%282016-%29+013-004.jpg


This is just hilarious, you're copy/pasting an argument which was already debunked.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Last page bump.




Are you sure you are literate? Batman used Flash speed to go into speed force. He used cosmic treadmill to steal Flash speed.

I mean how dumb are you?


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6EZuL5yhr6w/VnvLw7cVYlI/AAAAAAAAEts/lPh41U2WeQU/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

"It only works off kinetic energy".

There you go my illiterate comicvine friend.

Could you show us where cosmic energy makes it travel through time? Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention that the treadmill my illiterate comicvine friend is posting comes from 31st century and is in no way related to Flash cosmic treadmill which he built by seeing it in past.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NW6j87ZhTkU/Wc2VDEuRRFI/AAAAAAAANCE/BCF2L8LMvzks-fZqmEje1nTnr6iaz7foACHMYCw/s1600/RCO004.jpg

Also in current continuity, you can't travel in time by treadmill even if you are running at lightspeed.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cZuzVO-fW3c/VjOasLP32CI/AAAAAAARvuA/LW-qlEy5zHs/s1600/25_23.jpg

There is no low you will not stoop to, is it?

Superman's battle speed is far greater.

Wait
Did Carver just use an alt reality Batman and Flash???

knowing baz as the superman hater that he is, it comes as no suprise that he most probably made this thread hoping to see big s lose.. but baz try again. Pathetic, Abject, Pitiful.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just 500000 lightyears? Crossing 200 trillion lightyears in 60 days means Superman traveled across 38580246.9 lightyears in each second.


https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new&q=200+trillion%2F%2860*24*60*60%29&oq=200+trillion%2F%2860*24*60*60%29&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..&zpn=3

So Superman is literally hundreds of times faster than Surfer at his best showing.

that was a massive low end. I'm not done yet.

Here's the 1st scan again

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111162130/5113026-silver+surfer+vol.+3%2C+issue+109.1%2C+warp+speed.jpg

At 500,000 lightyears away, he starts to head towards the battle, just as the narrator states

https://imgur.com/a/5P0vYgJ


They begin their 30 second conversation the moment he takes off. Now, notice his last sentence to Legacy...

Surfer states "Hold on tight! We're (about) to hit warp speed"

https://imgur.com/a/dctYX4n


Warp speed is going faster than light FOR REFERENCE


That means for the 30 seconds of dialogue they had, Surfer was not going faster than light until his last sentence to Legacy. Therefore, he was only going light speed or less, during the conversation. Also, a scan from the previous issue, #108, shows he already started making his way towards Galactus prior to the Narrators statement. This adds an extra 10 seconds of dialogue

https://imgur.com/a/Hi2HS9f



So the next step here is to find out how far he traveled before he hit warp speed (FTL)

Considering he was traveling at LS (186,282 miles per second) http://www.space.com/15830-light-speed.html

Or just below it during those 40 seconds...

That would mean before he hit warp speed, he had already crossed 7,451,300 miles

https://imgur.com/a/5Mhrl1t




Which means he still had over 2.93 quintillion miles (499,999 lightyears) to cross prior to hitting Warp Speed

Here's the work shown:

500,000 lightyears (total distance)

Equals

2.9393964248787e18 miles
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to...

.

2.9393964248787e18 miles

Minus

7,451,300 miles (distance crossed before Warp Speed)

Equals

2.9393964248712487e18 miles

.

2.9393964248712487e18 miles

Equals

499,999 lightyears
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-mile-to...

https://imgur.com/a/cZHRIb7




Now that we know the distance left for him to travel, let's look at the Warp Speed scan

https://imgur.com/a/nFrFocR



Look at something the narrator states

"Galaxies streak past them in a blur"

https://imgur.com/a/L3bh4TR




onsidering he had 499,999 lightyears to travel when he hit warp speed, I'd say the number of galaxies that he traveled across are about 4 or 5, since our own galaxy is 100,000 lightyears in diameter

https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/.../cosmic/milkyway_info.html

(Of course assuming those galaxies he streaked by are the size of our Milky Way)

Regardless, the most important key information is what the narrator stated after

"... before the minds of these two cosmic powers have a chance to fully comprehend the esoteric beauty of the universe that laid before them-"

And then Surfer arrives at the destination:

https://imgur.com/a/L3bh4TR


This is interesting because what that is basically saying is Silver Surfer was moving so fast that he didn't have time to fully process what he saw on the way there

That gives us a good clue on the amount of time it took for him to cross that 499,999 lightyears using Warp Speed. T

https://imgur.com/a/YA6nHic



That means in just barely less than a microsecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)

That puts his speed at 2.93 septillion miles per second

Which is over 15 quintillion x the speed of light

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e24


But I'M NOT DONE



as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination

https://imgur.com/a/TchhTpT


Further discovery of his abilities show that the Silver Surfer can actually process things in a "Nanosecond"

Marvel Comics Presents v1 #1

https://imgur.com/a/AP3eByQ


Another example of his Nanosecond processing speed

Silver Surfer v3 #143

https://imgur.com/a/u0D1SwO


As shown by the scans, Silver Surfer can process things in a Nanosecond. But as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination


That means in just barely less than a nanosecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)

That puts his speed at 2.9394e27 mi/s
(2.93 octillion miles per second)

Which is over 15 sextillion times the speed of light

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e27

https://imgur.com/a/GrfDOiY


So, no Superman isn't faster than PERIOD. no speed feat he's performed in Post crisis comes close to this, but I'll wait for a "better" one LMAO.

hurry up

Originally posted by abhilegend


This is just hilarious, you're copy/pasting an argument which was already debunked.



There is no low you will not stoop to, is it?

the argument carver copied is right though


if you want an explanation of how the treadmill works you have to go to pre crisis for an explanation as one was never presented in post crisis

" "at superspeed you automatically vibrate" "it's necessary to keep up that vibration""
https://imgur.com/a/YzmvjNX


"use superspeed to keep up with the treadmill to reach the proper vibration". only speed needed to match the treadmill's vibration is required to match a certain frequency

https://imgur.com/a/YLLgK5h


Your scan doesn't explain how the treadmill works and it never stated it requires ftl movement either only explanation is provided in pre crisis


"I accelerated my vibrations along the treadmill"

https://imgur.com/a/sCb6KlI

Kinetic energy occurs when you move and vibration requires kinetic energy Hunter can't work it because he doesn't move fast he uses time manipulation to appear faster.

Also, Superspeed is only used to get the treadmill vibrating and then you have to vibrate yourself matching the frequency.
The rogues were able to do this by hacking the treadmill last time i checked

https://imgur.com/a/1LU8nHb


explained right here top right hand corner:

https://imgur.com/a/XjNyB11




The treadmill itself isn't moving at ftl speed at least that's not what is stated it's stated they move at superspeed and the treadmill starts vibrating.
They then have to vibrate to match the treadmill's frequency to time travel.
If you are moving at light speed or faster than light and don't match the vibrational frequency it won't work.

so yeah, get your facts straight. Carv's right kid

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that was a massive low end. I'm not done yet.

Here's the 1st scan again

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11116/111162130/5113026-silver+surfer+vol.+3%2C+issue+109.1%2C+warp+speed.jpg

At 500,000 lightyears away, he starts to head towards the battle, just as the narrator states

https://imgur.com/a/5P0vYgJ


They begin their 30 second conversation the moment he takes off. Now, notice his last sentence to Legacy...

Surfer states "Hold on tight! We're (about) to hit warp speed"

https://imgur.com/a/dctYX4n


Warp speed is going faster than light FOR REFERENCE


That means for the 30 seconds of dialogue they had, Surfer was not going faster than light until his last sentence to Legacy. Therefore, he was only going light speed or less, during the conversation. Also, a scan from the previous issue, #108, shows he already started making his way towards Galactus prior to the Narrators statement. This adds an extra 10 seconds of dialogue

https://imgur.com/a/Hi2HS9f



So the next step here is to find out how far he traveled before he hit warp speed (FTL)

Considering he was traveling at LS (186,282 miles per second) http://www.space.com/15830-light-speed.html

Or just below it during those 40 seconds...

That would mean before he hit warp speed, he had already crossed 7,451,300 miles

https://imgur.com/a/5Mhrl1t




Which means he still had over 2.93 quintillion miles (499,999 lightyears) to cross prior to hitting Warp Speed

Here's the work shown:

500,000 lightyears (total distance)

Equals

2.9393964248787e18 miles
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to...

.

2.9393964248787e18 miles

Minus

7,451,300 miles (distance crossed before Warp Speed)

Equals

2.9393964248712487e18 miles

.

2.9393964248712487e18 miles

Equals

499,999 lightyears
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-mile-to...

https://imgur.com/a/cZHRIb7




Now that we know the distance left for him to travel, let's look at the Warp Speed scan

https://imgur.com/a/nFrFocR



Look at something the narrator states

"Galaxies streak past them in a blur"

https://imgur.com/a/L3bh4TR




onsidering he had 499,999 lightyears to travel when he hit warp speed, I'd say the number of galaxies that he traveled across are about 4 or 5, since our own galaxy is 100,000 lightyears in diameter

https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/.../cosmic/milkyway_info.html

(Of course assuming those galaxies he streaked by are the size of our Milky Way)

Regardless, the most important key information is what the narrator stated after

"... before the minds of these two cosmic powers have a chance to fully comprehend the esoteric beauty of the universe that laid before them-"

And then Surfer arrives at the destination:

https://imgur.com/a/L3bh4TR


This is interesting because what that is basically saying is Silver Surfer was moving so fast that he didn't have time to fully process what he saw on the way there

That gives us a good clue on the amount of time it took for him to cross that 499,999 lightyears using Warp Speed. T

https://imgur.com/a/YA6nHic



That means in just barely less than a microsecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)

That puts his speed at 2.93 septillion miles per second

Which is over 15 quintillion x the speed of light

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e24


But I'M NOT DONE



as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination

https://imgur.com/a/TchhTpT


Further discovery of his abilities show that the Silver Surfer can actually process things in a "Nanosecond"

Marvel Comics Presents v1 #1

https://imgur.com/a/AP3eByQ


Another example of his Nanosecond processing speed

Silver Surfer v3 #143

https://imgur.com/a/u0D1SwO


As shown by the scans, Silver Surfer can process things in a Nanosecond. But as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination


That means in just barely less than a nanosecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)

That puts his speed at 2.9394e27 mi/s
(2.93 octillion miles per second)

Which is over 15 sextillion times the speed of light

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e27

https://imgur.com/a/GrfDOiY


So, no Superman isn't faster than PERIOD. no speed feat he's performed in Post crisis comes close to this, but I'll wait for a "better" one LMAO.

hurry up
Copy/pasting arguments from comicvine wouldn't help you.

It was a distance of 500000 lightyears only and he used hyperspace to go there. It doesn't means he went there in less than a nanosecond because he can perceive nanoseconds. You know why, it's never shown or stated.

What an atrocious argument though. This one tops even use Google one.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Copy/pasting arguments from comicvine wouldn't help you.

It was a distance of 500000 lightyears only and he used hyperspace to go there. It doesn't means he went there in less than a nanosecond because he can perceive nanoseconds. You know why, it's never shown or stated.

What an atrocious argument though. This one tops even use Google one.

what? That was my OWN calc, and you KNOW I've calced plenty of times so stop.

lmao "use hyperspace" it's a travel speed feat. where did Superman come close to this?

Oh, yeah that's right. he didnt

Just to let you know, two issues later it was revealed that Surfer couldn't get near to half the distance of universe at his maximum speed in billions of years (lifespan of stars)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f9yjFjziYhE/VoTUMrYcKtI/AAAAAAAARr0/tWd7G2J1M0k/s1600-Ic42/RCO031.jpg

SS 111.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
what? That was my OWN calc, and you KNOW I've calced plenty of times so stop.

lmao "use hyperspace" it's a travel speed feat. where did Superman come close to this?

Oh, yeah that's right. he didnt

Could you let is know where a nanosecond is specifically stated? Because Genis Vell definitely isn't nanosecond level speed.

He went faster then Genis could fully perceive it all.

during that point Genis was able to fly at light speed. Then he eventually bonded with the nega bands and was able to fly multiple times light speed. Like able to fly from earth to the shiar in seconds

OMG When will posters learn that you cannot really compare any two characters simply by comparing their highest feats, as best empirically measured. There are so many reasons why this is just misguided.

In the comics, I'd bet that Surfer has faster space travel speed. But you can't infer combat speed, even if it makes sense to do so.

Superman is far faster in terms of true super speed.

Travel speed on Earth or a planet would be a tossup. I'd probably lean Superman as planet-bound speed is often more related to your super speed than your space travel speed. But it could go either way in this case.

Superman has had a long casual conversation while walking and unloosening his tie (all casually done) within the fraction of a nanosecond.

Superman perceived time frozen for a very long time when he and Flash had a long conversation in the diner.

Superman has not only reacted to light speed attacks but vibrated intangible to phase through them (after they were fired at him).

Superman perceived swampthing moving faster than light within a few inches of travel.

As far as travel speed, Superman has flown to OA and Rao (which are many galaxies away) under his own power in a matter of moments. This should match Surfer's top feats of travel speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman has had a long casual conversation while walking and unloosening his tie (all casually done) within the fraction of a nanosecond.

Superman perceived time frozen for a very long time when he and Flash had a long conversation in the diner.

Superman has not only reacted to light speed attacks but vibrated intangible to phase through them (after they were fired at him).

Superman perceived swampthing moving faster than light within a few inches of travel.

As far as travel speed, Superman has flown to OA and Rao (which are many galaxies away) under his own power in a matter of moments. This should match Surfer's top feats of travel speed.

"Superman has flown to OA and Rao (which are many galaxies away) under his own power in a matter of moments. "

and How is that even in the quadrillion srange?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just to let you know, two issues later it was revealed that Surfer couldn't get near to half the distance of universe at his maximum speed in billions of years (lifespan of stars)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f9yjFjziYhE/VoTUMrYcKtI/AAAAAAAARr0/tWd7G2J1M0k/s1600-Ic42/RCO031.jpg

SS 111.

"A THEORY"

"THEORY"


As far as the universe thing goes, your scan states it's a (theory) that it would take him that long to cross half the universe. Your own scan says (theory)

So let's test that theory out

The diameter of the observable universe is 93 billion lightyears


-Half of it (radius) would be 46.5 billion lightyears

-The lifespan of stars is about 10 billion years


-So according to the Elders theories, it would take SS 10 billion years to cross 46.5 billion lightyears?

Well considering 46.5 billion lightyears is equal to 2.73e23 miles....


That means according to their theory, they're saying SS maximum speed is 865,080 miles per second Which is 4.6x the speed of light

Now if you compare that anyone of my calculations... You'll see that 4.6x the speed of light falls tremendously lower than what he can actually do, and cannot possibly be maximum speed

Therefore, that (theory) is wrong. PERIOD. Even if you don't agree with the nanosecond thing, even under my 30 seconds calc, he is still far faster than that (theory) of him being only 4.6x FTL at max. PERIOD.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
He went faster then Genis could fully perceive it all.

during that point Genis was able to fly at light speed. Then he eventually bonded with the nega bands and was able to fly multiple times light speed. Like able to fly from earth to the shiar in seconds

Both were simultaneously unable to perceive everything at once.

Doesn't mean it happens within a nanosecond.

Also I accept your concession seeing you didn't address this. atleast know how the cosmic treadmill work before claiming carv was wrong

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
the argument carver copied is right though


if you want an explanation of how the treadmill works you have to go to pre crisis for an explanation as one was never presented in post crisis

" "at superspeed you automatically vibrate" "it's necessary to keep up that vibration""
https://imgur.com/a/YzmvjNX


"use superspeed to keep up with the treadmill to reach the proper vibration". only speed needed to match the treadmill's vibration is required to match a certain frequency

https://imgur.com/a/YLLgK5h


Your scan doesn't explain how the treadmill works and it never stated it requires ftl movement either only explanation is provided in pre crisis


"I accelerated my vibrations along the treadmill"

https://imgur.com/a/sCb6KlI

Kinetic energy occurs when you move and vibration requires kinetic energy Hunter can't work it because he doesn't move fast he uses time manipulation to appear faster.

Also, Superspeed is only used to get the treadmill vibrating and then you have to vibrate yourself matching the frequency.
The rogues were able to do this by hacking the treadmill last time i checked

https://imgur.com/a/1LU8nHb


explained right here top right hand corner:

https://imgur.com/a/XjNyB11




The treadmill itself isn't moving at ftl speed at least that's not what is stated it's stated they move at superspeed and the treadmill starts vibrating.
They then have to vibrate to match the treadmill's frequency to time travel.
If you are moving at light speed or faster than light and don't match the vibrational frequency it won't work.

so yeah, get your facts straight. Carv's right kid

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Also I accept your concession seeing you didn't address this. atleast know how the cosmic treadmill work before claiming carv was wrong

You mean using pre crisis scans which are no longer canon?

How is it no longer canon? and that's the only explanation to how to the treadmill works. something i haven't seen from post crisis yet, and it was never confirmed that you need FTL movement in current continuity to use the treadmill

We already got an explanation on what the Cosmic treadmill does

Holy hell, you need to be banned for lying

Originally posted by xJLxKing
We already got an explanation on what the Cosmic treadmill does

Holy hell, you need to be banned for lying

No, I mean post crisis haven't confirmed that it needs FTL speed to use it

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
How is it no longer canon? and that's the only explanation to how to the treadmill works. something i haven't seen from post crisis yet, and it was never confirmed that you need FTL movement in current continuity to use the treadmill
Yes, I've already given it.

No, your scans aren't canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I've already given it.

No, your scans aren't canon.

you've used pre crisis scans tons of time for post crisis, stop being a hypocrite.

"i've already given you it"

where?

Kinetic energy occurs when you move and vibration requires kinetic energy Hunter can't work it because he doesn't move fast he uses time manipulation to appear faster

and I read Action comics #993, and it never mentioned anything about lightspeed or FTL. stop lying

Here let me also expose Abhi lies about XS going lightspeed couldn't time travel on the treadmill


The entire purpose of having Jenni hit approach lightspeed on the treadmill, as well as having Lightning Lass, Light Lass, Garth Rannz and Lightning Lad, was to bring Bart Allen back.. Which was Braniac's PLAN

https://s8.postimg.cc/ynkvyv0pd/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/5l6lw1tv5/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/qi2u0qf1d/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/ur7k2xd5t/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/nnzonbuvl/image.jpg

https://s8.postimg.cc/wj0ixw1oh/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/kh553rfld/image.jpg

Again, the entire point of having Jenni approach lightspeed on the treadmill, and having those 4 characters blast energy directly into the treadmill as Jenni was running on it, was to bring Bart back

But you left out those panels so nobody would figure the ACTUAL context out eh? classic Abhi, this is why you had me on ignore, because everytime we dance it's always me tearing apart your arguments in public. and you HATE it lmao

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"A THEORY"

"THEORY"


As far as the universe thing goes, your scan states it's a (theory) that it would take him that long to cross half the universe. Your own scan says (theory)

So let's test that theory out

The diameter of the observable universe is 93 billion lightyears


-Half of it (radius) would be 46.5 billion lightyears

-The lifespan of stars is about 10 billion years


-So according to the Elders theories, it would take SS 10 billion years to cross 46.5 billion lightyears?

Well considering 46.5 billion lightyears is equal to 2.73e23 miles....


That means according to their theory, they're saying SS maximum speed is 865,080 miles per second Which is 4.6x the speed of light

Now if you compare that anyone of my calculations... You'll see that 4.6x the speed of light falls tremendously lower than what he can actually do, and cannot possibly be maximum speed

Therefore, that (theory) is wrong. PERIOD. Even if you don't agree with the nanosecond thing, even under my 30 seconds calc, he is still far faster than that (theory) of him being only 4.6x FTL at max. PERIOD.

and still waiting for you to address this LMAO!

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
you've used pre crisis scans tons of time for post crisis, stop being a hypocrite.

"i've already given you it"

where?

The pre crisis scans are referenced post crisis.

Here you go.


Pre crisis scan, retconned in Flash Rebirth where it was only used for directions and you need to use speed to move through time. That's why Zoom couldn't travel through time by his own time related abilities.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OhjSaM3nYnA/VnvLvBlKvvI/AAAAAAAAEts/AyiDtxl3ys8/s1600-Ic42/RCO004.jpg

Barry states that he followed the tachyon trail of the treadmill which means the treadmill has to go FTL to travel through time.

And its fuelled by kinetic energy.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6EZuL5yhr6w/VnvLw7cVYlI/AAAAAAAAEts/lPh41U2WeQU/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and I read Action comics #993, and it never mentioned anything about lightspeed or FTL. stop lying

Here let me also expose Abhi lies about XS going lightspeed couldn't time travel on the treadmill


The entire purpose of having Jenni hit approach lightspeed on the treadmill, as well as having Lightning Lass, Light Lass, Garth Rannz and Lightning Lad, was to bring Bart Allen back.. Which was Braniac's PLAN

https://s8.postimg.cc/ynkvyv0pd/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/5l6lw1tv5/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/qi2u0qf1d/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/ur7k2xd5t/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/nnzonbuvl/image.jpg

https://s8.postimg.cc/wj0ixw1oh/image.jpg


https://s8.postimg.cc/kh553rfld/image.jpg

Again, the entire point of having Jenni approach lightspeed on the treadmill, and having those 4 characters blast energy directly into the treadmill as Jenni was running on it, was to bring Bart back

But you left out those panels so nobody would figure the ACTUAL context out eh? classic Abhi, this is why you had me on ignore, because everytime we dance it's always me tearing apart your arguments in public. and you HATE it lmao

What part of that is misunderstood by you? Xs can go lightspeed but she still can't travel in time to which she needs help of Barry Allen.

I mean, are you really this dumb? That scan was only meant to show that even if you go lightspeed you can't go back in time with that.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and still waiting for you to address this LMAO! That only makes Surfer not that fast outside the hyperspace which he used.

I'm still waiting where nanosecond is mentioned in SS 109.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Oh, and THIS aswell. where's the comparable/superior speed feat from superman to this?

I'll be waiting. you need step your game up son

Where is he stated to fly all the way? He could've as easily opened a portal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is he stated to fly all the way? He could've as easily opened a portal.

But he didn't, did he? now where's the speed feats. any 5 speed feats you can give for Superman, I can do better for surfer. try me

lmao lanterns, and superman have used transluminal space to travel

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
But he didn't, did he? now where's the speed feats. any 5 speed feats you can give for Superman, I can do better for surfer. try me

How can you tell he flew all across the way? BTW, even Superboy and Supergirl have flown to and back from Source Wall within a sentence.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
lmao lanterns, and superman have used transluminal space to travel

And they have traveled across the universe within moments when they do it. Unlike Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What part of that is misunderstood by you? Xs can go lightspeed but she still can't travel in time to which she needs help of Barry Allen.

I mean, are you really this dumb? That scan was only meant to show that even if you go lightspeed you can't go back in time with that.

You can't use that scan for that particular reason because it's not intended to time travel period

The entire point of having her run lightspeed, is to combine that with the energies from those 4 people, to bring back Bart

As shown. That's the point

Now, if you find a scan where it's directly stated lightspeed can't time travel with the cosmic treadmill, THEN, you would have made your point

Originally posted by abhilegend
How can you tell he flew all across the way? BTW, even Superboy and Supergirl have flown to and back from Source Wall within a sentence.

Show it. and tell me the calc for it, because it's clearly not in the quadrillions range.

"How can you tell he flew all across"

by reading the scan and not blindly ignoring the panel?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
You can't use that scan for that particular reason because it's not intended to time travel period

The entire point of having her run lightspeed, is to combine that with the energies from those 4 people, to bring back Bart

As shown. That's the point

Now, if you find a scan where it's directly stated lightspeed can't time travel with the cosmic treadmill, THEN, you would have made your point

No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen.

To do that you need to go lightspeed. To travel in time, you will need to go FTL. Barry Allen flat out said that he followed the tachyon trail of the treadmill.

You're just trolling now.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Show it. and tell me the calc for it, because it's clearly not in the quadrillions range.

"How can you tell he flew all across"

by reading the scan and not blindly ignoring the panel?

Why would I need calculation? You yourself said comic trumps calculations.

Where is that stated he flew across all the way?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would I need calculation? You yourself said comic trumps calculations.

Where is that stated he flew across all the way?


of course, but how else are we gonna figure out which is faster if we can't quantify it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That only makes Surfer not that fast outside the hyperspace which he used.

I'm still waiting where nanosecond is mentioned in SS 109.

Doesn't matter, it's still something he can do. Thus still, disproving that theory

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen.

To do that you need to go lightspeed. To travel in time, you will need to go FTL. Barry Allen flat out said that he followed the tachyon trail of the treadmill.

You're just trolling now.

"No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen"

That is essentially the same exact thing I was saying when I described it. You putting it into different words does not in any way shape or form, support your argument

"To travel in time, you will need to go FTL"
--> Yes, that's how it normally works when they don't use the treadmill. But we're talking about its use, and so far, you haven't shown anything that proves FTL on the treadmill is what enables them to time travel

And again, your scan from legion of 3 worlds is certainly not proof, whatsoever, as I have explained the intent of it

and that's for what speed feat?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
of course, but how else are we gonna figure out which is faster if we can't quantify it?

You said comic trumps fan calcs. Are you going to go back on what you said?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Doesn't matter, it's still something he can do. Thus still, disproving that theory

Not as per the comic, he can't.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"No, the point was to bring down speed force lightning which resurrected Bart Allen"

That is essentially the same exact thing I was saying when I described it. You putting it into different words does not in any way shape or form, support your argument

She was just breaching speed force at lightspeed. For travelling in time, you need to go faster.

Yes, it does. Cosmic Trademill is only powered by tachyons/kinetic energy and you need to go FTL to produce them.



You misunderstood the whole thing, not surprisingly.

you took him off ignore for the bz didn't you...? sneer

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was just breaching speed force at lightspeed. For travelling in time, you need to go faster.

Yes, it does. Cosmic Trademill is only powered by tachyons/kinetic energy and you need to go FTL to produce them.



You misunderstood the whole thing, not surprisingly.

I know what she was doing.

Once again, going FTL (on their own) is what enables the time travel via speedforce

The treadmill however, does (Not) require FTL because it has never been stated or shown

Nowhere. Not one single comic or guidebook states FTL is needed to use the treadmill

and It's a cosmic treadmill that travels through time. You can't extrapolate any numbers from it unless the narrative actually STATES something.

The Cosmic Treadmill is travelling through time. Producing tachyons doesn't necessarily mean it's actually FTL.

Baz you don't read DC. Stop pretending as if any thing you say is valid.

hey if you're gonna address anything i said, do so. otherwise your opinions is irrelevant, stay out of this or get debunked again. your choice

Originally posted by leonidas
you took him off ignore for the bz didn't you...? sneer
Yes, my mistake.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I know what she was doing.

Once again, going FTL (on their own) is what enables the time travel via speedforce

The treadmill however, does (Not) require FTL because it has never been stated or shown

Nowhere. Not one single comic or guidebook states FTL is needed to use the treadmill

Yes, it has. I already posted it for you.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and It's a cosmic treadmill that travels through time. You can't extrapolate any numbers from it unless the narrative actually STATES something.

The Cosmic Treadmill is travelling through time. Producing tachyons doesn't necessarily mean it's actually FTL.

Yes, it does since it is directly powered by the kinetic energy of the user.

Tachyon automaticall means FTL.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
hey if you're gonna address anything i said, do so. otherwise your opinions is irrelevant, stay out of this or get debunked again. your choice

Flash was inherently FTL since literally his first appearance. The cosmic treadmill gives control only.

You arent a DC reader and only see scans from battleboards. Nothing you say is relevant kid.

Flash also have 100 scans of him going into the speed force whenever he went FTL

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not as per the comic, he can't.

yes it does. what are you talking about?

and again, I asked what speed feat are you refrencing the calc for Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it does since it is directly powered by the kinetic energy of the user.

Tachyon automaticall means FTL.

Tachyons are moving at FTL, yes. It doesn't mean the actual time-travelling Treadmill is moving FTL if it's 'leaving a Tachyon trail'.

Lemme make it more clear.

I give a guy a big gun that fires some kind of weird, comic book energy. As it happens, when the gun shoots it produces Tachyons. Does that mean the gun is now travelling at FTL?

I have a weird comic book device that teleports people. When it operates, it produces Tachyons. Does that mean the teleportation device is now travelling at FTL?

I have a device that allows me to time travel. When I time travel, I leave a trail of Tachyons behind me through time. Does this mean I am travelling faster than light (I mean, I suppose it does given the weird relationship that light and time seem to have, but let's not get into that kind of stuff, it'll make me go back and read a bunch of books discussing said theories again, and I can't right now, I'm working)?

Now, if the Treadmill is shown moving at FTL in another feat, great! It's FTL. But that it leaves a Tachyon trail through time that Barry can follow? That, in itself, doesn't mean it's moving faster than light with regards to velocity.

As for the kinetic energy, 'powered by the Kinetic energy' doesn't mean FTL either. Except the actual rolly strip on it, which would need to be spinning at FTL if Barry is running at FTL, I suppose so again no you haven't proved anything. Keep trying

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Flash also have 100 scans of him going into the speed force whenever he went FTL
That has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact I stated.

Flash was FTL since his first appearance, and was traveling through time since his first appearance.. period.

The fact that you know nothing about DC isn't my problem.

Originally posted by panthergod
That has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact I stated.

Flash was FTL since his first appearance, and was traveling through time since his first appearance.. period.

The fact that you know nothing about DC isn't my problem.

it absolutely does though, FTL was always his limit. Flash had always went FTL, and vanished into the speed force. that's consistent with his presentation, want me to post the 20-40 scans of it?

Yes. ill be waiting.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
it absolutely does though, FTL was always his limit. Flash had always went FTL, and vanished into the speed force. that's consistent with his presentation, want me to post the 20-40 scans of it?

Give one scan from Showcase#4, in order for any of your ignorance to be relevant.

Sure, I'll give one example.

Flash v2 #136 he ends up vanishing into the speed force by going past lightspeed after trying not to

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Sure, I'll give one example.

Flash v2 #136 he ends up vanishing into the speed force by going past lightspeed after trying not to

So You have nothing, then.

Because that is an entirely different character.



You didn't even know that, did you?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and again, I asked what speed feat are you refrencing the calc for Superman?

The one where he flew to OA under his own power within a few minutes.

Originally posted by panthergod
So You have nothing, then.

Because that is an entirely different character.



You didn't even know that, did you?

That's wally.. who's faster than Barry..

Originally posted by h1a8
The one where he flew to OA under his own power within a few minutes.

post it

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
That's wally.. who's faster than Barry..

Yet Barry was FTL time traveling in his first appearance... so yeah.

Barry is the source of the speed force.. which means anything Wally does is derived from Barry.

Originally posted by panthergod
Yet Barry was FTL time traveling in his first appearance... so yeah.

Barry is the source of the speed force.. which means anything Wally does is derived from Barry.

ROFL just recently DC confirmed Wally's faster than Barry, and always have been. any flash fan knows this, you don't even have to read alot of flash to know this.

Barry geenrates the speed force yes, but wally is BETTER at using it

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
ROFL just recently DC confirmed Wally's faster than Barry, and always have been. any flash fan knows this, you don't even have to read alot of flash to know this.

Barry geenrates the speed force yes, but wally is BETTER at using it
Irrelevant to my factual statement.

Flash was FTL and time traveling in his first appearance, FACT.

Barry is the source of the speed force, which means every feat Wally did was DERIVED from Barry's power. FACT.

..Ok lol?

Now, what does that have to do the tachyon?

Barry FOLLOWED the tachyon TRAIL

That does NOT mean he was moving at tachyon speed. He simply said he was following it. That's it

If a cheetah moved at top speed and I FOLLOWED it's TRAIL does that mean I was moving at 65mph? No.

The comic does not show Barry being side by side with the Tachyon in motion did it? No

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Flash also have 100 scans of him going into the speed force whenever he went FTL

He has as many scans of traveling in time at FTL speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has as many scans of traveling in time at FTL speed.

Oh, yeah show it?

and I'll more of him CONSISTENTLY vanishing into the speed force at FTL

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
yes it does. what are you talking about?

Surfer can't travel to edge of the universe and has never done so. It's specifically stated in SS 10 in 2017.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Oh, yeah show it?

and I'll more of him CONSISTENTLY vanishing into the speed force at FTL

You first.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer can't travel to edge of the universe and has never done so. It's specifically stated in SS 10 in 2017.

I'll read that issue later, and but Hal or Supes can LMAOOO?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You first.

Sure

Flash v2 #111

as shown in Issue #113, even after the Savitar saga, Wally still disappears by going light speed or above

Even in issue #114, Wally explains to Don and Dawn Allen that the speed force exists just beyond light, and that the faster you go, the more energy source they become


Then in issue #115, Wally once again confirms to John Fox, that he entered the speed force and traveled through time after dealing with Savitar. Which as we've seen, happened by going beyond light


As a matter of fact, at the end of the Chain Lightning series, issue #150, in an attempt to save Barry, Wally takes Cobalt Blue and as seen and stated in panel, breaks lightspeed and starts disappearing into the speed force. You can see here, that he is trying to maintain himself on earth



Then there's Zero Hour #4 where he first broke lightspeed for the first time and still vanished into the speed force


Then there's Flash v2 #162 where he
Directly states he has to stay under light speed or he'll be sucked into the speed force

Then we had Flash going FTL and going into the speed force in #150

That's just a few examples.

your turn

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I'll read that issue later, and but Hal or Supes can LMAOOO?

Yes, because they already have. Multiple times.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Flash v2 #111

as shown in Issue #113, even after the Savitar saga, Wally still disappears by going light speed or above

Even in issue #114, Wally explains to Don and Dawn Allen that the speed force exists just beyond light, and that the faster you go, the more energy source they become


Then in issue #115, Wally once again confirms to John Fox, that he entered the speed force and traveled through time after dealing with Savitar. Which as we've seen, happened by going beyond light


As a matter of fact, at the end of the Chain Lightning series, issue #150, in an attempt to save Barry, Wally takes Cobalt Blue and as seen and stated in panel, breaks lightspeed and starts disappearing into the speed force. You can see here, that he is trying to maintain himself on earth



Then there's Zero Hour #4 where he first broke lightspeed for the first time and still vanished into the speed force


Then there's Flash v2 #162 where he
Directly states he has to stay under light speed or he'll be sucked into the speed force

Then we had Flash going FTL and going into the speed force in #150

That's just a few examples.

your turn

Copy pasting arguments from comicvine doesn't works kid.

Here you go though. Most comprehensive respect feat for Flash on internet.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=469707&highlight=title%3A%28wally%29+forumid%3A98

Originally posted by abhilegend
Copy pasting arguments from comicvine doesn't works kid.


LOL riiight. Try pasting into google, and see if it comes up on comicvine than. I accept your concession

Let me know when you post those speed feats from Wally

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, because they already have. Multiple times.

I bet it's probably another "theory" moment in SS 10 again

Heck, the very first time Wally traveled back in time, he had to run far beyond the speed of light.

https://s15.postimg.cc/orqk32qdz/timbar.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/9j0mpbc53/timbar2.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/xzisjsklj/timbar3.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/q6s4rtmc7/timbar4.jpg

No speed force merger shown.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heck, the very first time Wally traveled back in time, he had to run far beyond the speed of light.

https://s15.postimg.cc/orqk32qdz/timbar.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/9j0mpbc53/timbar2.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/xzisjsklj/timbar3.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/q6s4rtmc7/timbar4.jpg

No speed force merger shown.

Yes, I read that. Flash v2 #0

That particular scan is talking about what happened in Zero Hour #4

I can SHOW you multiple scans of Wally directly saying that he did in fact merge with the speedforce in (that) particular moment

There's TONS of scans, including guidebooks

and still waiting for the scans of Wally going "FTL" or above without vanishing into speed force consistently.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
LOL riiight. Try pasting into google, and see if it comes up on comicvine than. I accept your concession

I've seen the exact same argument on comicvine.

Don't try to use it here.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I bet it's probably another "theory" moment in SS 10 again

Straight up stated by Surfer. He needed Eternity help to meet with Dawn.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Yes, I read that. Flash v2 #0

That particular scan is talking about what happened in Zero Hour #4

I can SHOW you multiple scans of Wally directly saying that he did in fact merge with the speedforce in (that) particular moment

There's TONS of scans, including guidebooks

So you are saying merging with speed force means you travel in time?

What's the problem with that when we are saying from start that you need to go FTL to travel in time?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Straight up stated by Surfer. He needed Eternity help to meet with Dawn.

Mind showing the scene?

it sounds like it's just an assumption by Surfer. was there any direct showing backing up his confirmation

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and still waiting for the scans of Wally going "FTL" or above without vanishing into speed force consistently.

I gave you the whole thread.

Now it's consistently huh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I gave you the whole thread.

Now it's consistently huh?

I literally gave you citations for Wally going into the speed force like 7-8 times


How MANY TIMES can you say that for wally going FTL without dissapearing into the speed force? if you show more than 5 times of him doing so, than great!

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Mind showing the scene?

it sounds like it's just an assumption by Surfer. was there any direct showing backing up his confirmation



Now it's Surfer making an assumption about his own power?

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-2016/Issue-10?id=109730

There you go.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Now it's Surfer making an assumption about his own power?

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-2016/Issue-10?id=109730

There you go.

He said he couldn't travel to the ends of the universe. you do know how ridicilously far that is? Show lanterns doing that

That alone would contradict the past speeds he's traveled

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I literally gave you citations for Wally going into the speed force like 7-8 times


How MANY TIMES can you say that for wally going FTL without dissapearing into the speed force? if you show more than 5 times of him doing so, than great!

And I gave you the whole thread showing Flash running FTL to travel in time.

Are you now saying you can travel in time below lightspeed?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And I gave you the whole thread showing Flash running FTL to travel in time.

Are you now saying you can travel in time below lightspeed?

when did you give me a thread?