Surfer or Superman: who does better

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carver9
This is a vs and the idea of this is to point out who would do better against each opponent. Silver Surfer and Superman have to fight these beings and it is up to you to decide between Surfer and Superman, who would do better against the list below. To make this fair, let's wipe their minds clean of each opponent so that experience doesnt factor in. The only thing they have is common knowledge. This is not agantlet, so I am not placing these in any specific order._

1. Wonder Woman
2. Thor_
3. Orion
4. Wraith_
5. H'el_
6. Kurse_
7. Thanos_
8. HP Doomsday
9. Sinestro Parallax
10. Flash (Wally)

Go!!!


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xJLxKing
Are they fighting in character or are we controlling the Superman/SS

One Big Mob
1. Wonder Woman - SS
2. Thor - SS
3. Orion - SS
4. Wraith - SS
5. H'el - SS
6. Kurse - SS
7. Thanos - Nobody does well
8. HP Doomsday - SS
9. Sinestro Parallax - SS
10. Flash (Wally) - SS

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
1. Wonder Woman - SS
2. Thor - SS
3. Orion - SS
4. Wraith - SS
5. H'el - SS
6. Kurse - SS
7. Thanos - Nobody does well
8. HP Doomsday - SS
9. Sinestro Parallax - SS
10. Flash (Wally) - SS
laughing out loud

abhilegend
Anyway Superman does better than Surfer against all and then punches out Surfer for good measure.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway Superman does better than Surfer against all and then punches out Surfer for good measure.

Superman isn't stronger than Surfer, i thought we had this discussion already?


also

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
1. Surfer does better, Superman doesn't.

2. Neither does better

3. Surfer does better, Superman doesn't.

4. Surfer does better, Superman doesn't

5. Surfer does better, he absolutely spites, Supes doesn't, I mean we've seen how that went

6. Surfer does better 7/10, Supes does better 4'/10

7. Neither does better

8. Surfer does better due to his hax, supes already got stomped lol

9. Supes does bettter probably

10. Surfer does better 10/10, Supes does better 3/10

Baziemarc123
If you think Supes doesn't get the same treatment surfer does against thanos you're delusional.

But you did say you'll do a comparison against Thanos on a new thread, so where is it? I would love to see this LOL

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Superman isn't stronger than Surfer, i thought we had this discussion already?


also

Superman isn't stronger than Surfer? Good luck with that.

Nonsense.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
If you think Supes doesn't get the same treatment surfer does against thanos you're delusional.

But you did say you'll do a comparison against Thanos on a new thread, so where is it? I would love to see this LOL

Patience my boy.

Baziemarc123
Prove how Supes does better against Surfer at all of them. better be good too

panthergod
Superman across the board. You could make a case for orion-- well, no, no you can't. Orion>>Surfer post JK4W.

SquallX

carver9
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Are they fighting in character or are we controlling the Superman/SS

KMC style debating. Whatever you feel is right.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
Superman across the board. You could make a case for orion-- well, no, no you can't. Orion>>Surfer post JK4W.

prove it.

Baziemarc123
Surfer rewrites Doomsday genetic code lmao, or transmutes him. whatever hax will work, surfer overpowers diana in physical or traps her in his board, surfer's already beaten orion, surfer DEFINIATELY beats wally, nothing wally can do will effect surfer, but wally can absorb supes kinetic energy and have proven to do so, not sure what sinestro parallax is gonna bring to the table against surfer but ok...? lol

panthergod
Modern era Orion got an explicit upgrade in skill under Byrne. post JK4W he can fight Darkseid as a peer in combat via increased skill and defeat whereas before he got considtently beaten/overpowered by Darkseid, who is absolutely at minimum Skyfather level in relative power.

Surfer and Thor together cannot defeat Darkseid.

Baziemarc123
Supes also got stomped or well struggled with someone like Kalibak etc, you think Kalibab>Kurse LMAOOO? delusional, but it's you. Orion is able to fight darkseid because he's prophecised to

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still lacks the power of the Hulk. He will still get tagged by the Hulk because in character he feels he is powerful enough to do so. Superman has spent a long time at the top of the food chain believing he can tank punches/attacks.

Here's one example of Superman not being fast enough to protect lives and an example where he gets beaten by two oafish inferior opponents. Granted this is just one example but there are lives on the line here as well and it doesn't change the end result. You claim he's always just darting around with lives on the line isn't true. But you really don't have the knowledge to be in here. But feel free to give examples to back your claims.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_example1a.jpghttp://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_example1b.jpghttp://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_example1c.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_example1d.jpghttp://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_example1e.jpghttp://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_example1f.jpghttp://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/th_example1g.jpg


These examples back my claims that he thinks he can withstand attacks even though he clearly falters to less than World Breaker Hulk.

Feel free to back your claims.

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supes also got stomped or well struggled with someone like Kalibak etc, you think Kalibab>Kurse LMAOOO? delusional, but it's you.

Superman has never struggled with Kalibak one on one -- he was dominating Mantis and Kalibak together, and Kalibak still needed a surprise attack with the Beta Club to KO Supes. and in Death of the New Gods, Kalibak was amped well beyond his standard levels (which are equals to Orion physically )per his prior appearance in Firestorm as a lead in to Countdown. Superman noted he is now a strength peer to him, whereas before he was below Byrne era Superman in Action 500 and post Mongul training Superman easily dominated Kalibak in OWAW and in Action 812

Kalibak in DoTNG would stomp Surfer physically, BTW.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
Superman has never struggled with Kalibak one on one -- he was domnginati Mantis and Kalibak together, and Kalibak still needed a surprise attack with the Beta Club to KO Supes. and in Death of the New Gods, Kalibak was amped well beyond Orion physically per his prior appearance in Firestorm as a lead in to Countdown.

Did you read the scans I posted? He's clearly shown struggling with Kalibak in that scene

What Kalibak in DOTNG did to assure he'd stomp surfer in physicals? Mind you Surfer trashed his physical superior Orion in crossover, and gotten stronger later years too

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Prove how Supes does better against Surfer at all of them. better be good too

Patience my boy.

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Did you read the scans I posted? He's clearly shown struggling with Kalibak in that scene


You heard what I said-- Darkseid notes Superman is above both of them, but Superman made the mistake of underestimating them.

Context matters.


The scans you reposted are beyond anything Surfer has ever done anywhere physically.

Surfer<<Thor, let alone Orion.

A herald mindset/all out Surfer, using EP/energy strikes against an Orion fighting HTH.

Surfer never fought HTH against Orion and specifically avoided doing so, relying on EP.

Regardless, Orion explicit got more formidable later under the same writer, and subsequently fought far beyond Surfer level beings as a peer, like Darkseid and post OWAW Superman.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Patience my boy.

Ill be waiting

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
You heard what I said-- Darkseid notes Superman is above both of them, but Superman made the mistake of underestimating them.

Context matters.


The scans you reposted are beyond anything Surfer has ever done anywhere physically.

Surfer<<Thor, let alone Orion.

A herald mindset/all out Surfer, using EP/energy strikes against an Orion fighting HTH.

Surfer never fought HTH against Orion and specifically avoided doing so, relying on EP.

Regardless, Orion explicit got more formidable later under the same writer, and subsequently fought far beyond Surfer level beings as a peer, like Darkseid and post OWAW Superman.

Orion is able to fight darkseid because it's his destiny and he's PROPHECIDED to. thats like using an argument for Thor beating serpent

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
You heard what I said-- Darkseid notes Superman is above both of them, but Superman made the mistake of underestimating them.

Context matters.


The scans you reposted are beyond anything Surfer has ever done anywhere physically.

Surfer<<Thor, let alone Orion.

A herald mindset/all out Surfer, using EP/energy strikes against an Orion fighting HTH.

Surfer never fought HTH against Orion and specifically avoided doing so, relying on EP.

Regardless, Orion explicit got more formidable later under the same writer, and subsequently fought far beyond Surfer level beings as a peer, like Darkseid and post OWAW Superman.

In your opinion, name the weakest person that can pull a majority against Superman.

carver9
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Ill be waiting

He's waiting for a certain poster to post their response. I know who it is. smile

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
In your opinion, name the weakest person that can pull a majority against Superman.

At this point..?

a high end tactical energy manipulator can overcome his raw power edge, probably Magneto, but that's going off his pre-Reborn showings. No, Surfer is nowhere near Magneto in combat skill, so don't even try it.

Now...?

in terms of raw power, Rebirth Hal got wrecked by post Reborn Superman's peer Zod amped 2x.

I'm not seeing sub trans characters having a shot on average right now.

The Spectre+
Originally posted by carver9
He's waiting for a certain poster to post their response. I know who it is. smile
Abhi... I Didnt Say A Word shifty

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
At this point..?

a high end tactical energy manipulator can overcome his raw power edge, probably Magneto, but that's going off his pre-Reborn showings. No, Surfer is nowhere near Magneto in combat skill, so don't even try it.

Now...?

in terms of raw power, Rebirth Hal got wrecked by post Reborn Superman's peer Zod amped 2x.

I'm not seeing sub trans characters having a shot on average right now.

shutup.

anyways, surfer rewrites doomsday genetic code, FACT. Surfer also overpowers Diana, FACT. Surfer beat Orion, FACT. and surfer beats majority here with hax

SquallX

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
shutup.

laughing out loud

make me.

blatant Surfer analogues specifically failed to do so for a reason.

Diana beats the shit out of Surfer at least 5/10 at this point.

Surfer in all out Herald mindset beat a far less formidable Orion who got a skill upgrade under the same writer later in his timeline. IRRELEVANT fact.

Yeah, No.

quanchi112
ABC logic at its worst. Baseless claims to boot.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
laughing out loud

make me.

blatant Surfer analogues specifically failed to do so for a reason.

Diana beats the shit out of Surfer at least 5/10 at this point.

Surfer in all out Herald mindset beat a far less formidable Orion who got a skill upgrade under the same writer later in his timeline. IRRELEVANT fact.

Yeah, No.

prove how Diana beats Surfer

quanchi112
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
prove how Diana beats Surfer He will beat his chest, he will snarl, and oh there will be tooth gnashing. Proof has never met Panther.

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
prove how Diana beats Surfer

beating the shit out of him. She can beat up his physical superior Supergirl via superior skill., after all.

And keep cheerleading on the sidelines QuanSHE. That's all you're good for now. laughing out loud

Baziemarc123
Supergirl is above Surfer now?

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supergirl is above Surfer now?

Physically..? Yes, Easily. Supergirl can oneshot KO Surfer. Iron Man can KO Surfer, after all.

Baziemarc123
Based on what?

Supergirl isn't Thor

quanchi112
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supergirl is above Surfer now? In his mind he totally believes this. A comic book conspiracy theorist with random scans coming to this conclusion on some random bulletin board in his studio apartment.

Baziemarc123
Diana has zero defense for Surfer hax

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Based on what?

Supergirl isn't Thor

Yes, She's well above Thor physically. Easily. smokin'

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Diana has zero defense for Surfer hax

couldn't care less about fanboy fabrications.

She pummels him into paste before he can think per forum rules. She's faster than post Isotope E Quicksilver, while Spider-Man is physically faster than Surfer.

Baziemarc123
well surfer can survive in stars, and black holes so that's the type of durability he's packing

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
well surfer can survive in stars, and black holes so that's the type of durability he's packing

So can Kryptonians, who are well above Surfer physically.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
This is a vs and the idea of this is to point out who would do better against each opponent. Silver Surfer and Superman have to fight these beings and it is up to you to decide between Surfer and Superman, who would do better against the list below. To make this fair, let's wipe their minds clean of each opponent so that experience doesnt factor in. The only thing they have is common knowledge. This is not agantlet, so I am not placing these in any specific order._

1. Wonder Woman
2. Thor_
3. Orion
4. Wraith_
5. H'el_
6. Kurse_
7. Thanos_
8. HP Doomsday
9. Sinestro Parallax
10. Flash (Wally)

Go!!!


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They are roughly even with Surfer pulling the majority against those who cater to his strength and Supes doing vice versa. They both fail horribly against the trans tier characters though

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by panthergod
So can Kryptonians, who are well above Surfer physically.

the average kryptonian isn't above surfer

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
the average kryptonian isn't above surfer
The average Kryptonian is well above Surfer physically. a 16 year old Kryptonian girl is well above Surfer.

Cry about it.

Baziemarc123
really? Surfer threatened the planet just by sleeping, and created a Creates a universal destruct code to re warp worlds reality warped through out the universe.

https://s8.postimg.cc/i5uogeuwh/image.jpg


Show any average kryptonian or supergirl coming close to this ROFL

panthergod
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
really? Surfer threatened the planet just by sleeping, and created a Creates a universal destruct code to re warp worlds reality warped through out the universe.

https://s8.postimg.cc/i5uogeuwh/image.jpg


Show any average kryptonian or supergirl coming close to this ROFL
What does this have to do with physical stats..?

I'll wait.

Baziemarc123
it has to do with power, versatility. HAX

abhilegend
What "hax" would that be?

Baziemarc123
well be specific, he certainly overwhelms diana, He'l, wraith, Doomsday, Wally, and Sinestro with his hax

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
well be specific, he certainly overwhelms diana, He'l, wraith, Doomsday, Wally, and Sinestro with his hax

By doing what exactly?

Baziemarc123
trap them in his board? astral plane? soul erasure? age/de age them? rewrite their genetic code? he have tons of hax to count for, this isnt rocket science

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by panthergod
Yes, She's well above Thor physically. Easily. smokin'
nah

Baziemarc123
^exactly

Thor is far above Supergirl

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
trap them in his board? astral plane? soul erasure? age/de age them? rewrite their genetic code? he have tons of hax to count for, this isnt rocket science

To which they break his board? Outfight him in the astral plane? He has never erased anyone's soul or deaged anyone.

Kryptonian DNA rewrites itself when exposed to the sun even if the DNA manipulation is mystical and world wide.

Nothing Surfer does is even going to cause discomfort Superman/Supergirl if that's all you got.

panthergod
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
nah

Supergirl two shotted base level Superman and Ultraman. She's well beyond Thor physically. Though hed beat her in combat over all.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by panthergod
She's well beyond Thor physically. Though hed beat her in combat over all.
no and yes

panthergod
Show Thor two shotting Superman level beings. I'll wait.

celeyhyga17
That's not proof that she's "well beyond Thor physically". Well it's a start, but not be all end all.

panthergod
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's not proof that she's "well beyond Thor physically". Well it's a start, but not be all end all.

Answer the question.

Let's see Thor two-shot KO Superman level being with a punch.

Better yet, let's see him KO an upper mid tier at minimum with finger snaps. whistle away an Earthquake.

any time now.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's not proof that she's "well beyond Thor physically". Well it's a start, but not be all end all.
Are you saying Thor can beat Ultraman this easily?

https://s8.postimg.cc/4a4tnsa9t/ultrabeat.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/c2vhfrvoh/ultrabeat2.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/ek78n1nap/ultrabeat3.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/u5ok706yp/ultrabeat4.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/mcxwf18pd/ultrabeat5.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/4mw7u02u9/ultrabeat6.jpg

Mind you, Ultraman survived the destruction of his entire universe.

http://i.imgur.com/56UQnegl.jpg

It was actually merger of two universes which destroyed both of them.

https://s8.postimg.cc/kaxf0pq4x/image.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/knot6wg4h/image.jpg https://s8.postimg.cc/u88ftsd69/image.jpg

Baziemarc123
Let's remember what it took to hurt Ultraman.

(an lightning stroke)

https://s8.postimg.cc/r4yziefu9/4738448-7301704564-34284.jpg

http://www.fusor.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=4762&p=31118


He doesn't have universal durability period, and Thor's lightning will end him far faster than supergirl ever did lmao

this is why "space cheese" feats is irreleevant

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Let's remember what it took to hurt Ultraman.

(an lightning stroke)

https://s8.postimg.cc/r4yziefu9/4738448-7301704564-34284.jpg

http://www.fusor.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=4762&p=31118


He doesn't have universal durability period, and Thor's lightning will end him far faster than supergirl ever did lmao

this is why "space cheese" feats is irreleevant

That's a different version of Ultraman.

And the lightning didn't do anything to Ultraman who literally crushed Adam.

Baziemarc123
What does ""NNGG"

mean to you?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
What does ""NNGG"

mean to you?

Not doing anything but annoy Ultraman.

Baziemarc123
ah so you don't know expressions then. good to know.

Ultraman's been hurt by less than universal CONSISTENTLY

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
What does ""NNGG"

mean to you?

who are you?

Baziemarc123
THor lifted the midgard serpent, and bench pressed a score of planets.

Ultraman only has that moon striking feat

SquallX

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
THor lifted the midgard serpent, and bench pressed a score of planets.

Ultraman only has that moon striking feat

Midgard Serpent was debunked a long time ago.

Thor was put into coma by a ship mast in the same comic. It was literally hyperbole.

Talk when Thor survives the destruction of a universe.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
ah so you don't know expressions then. good to know.

Ultraman's been hurt by less than universal CONSISTENTLY

laughing out loud

It's literally a different version of Ultraman.

Baziemarc123
the same version of ultraman your citing was beaten by Superman

Baziemarc123
so no he's not "universal" in durability

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by panthergod
Answer the question.

Let's see Thor two-shot KO Superman level being with a punch.

Better yet, let's see him KO an upper mid tier at minimum with finger snaps. whistle away an Earthquake.

any time now.
Lol who made u the law in physical strength? U think that's the only criteria?

I'm not gonna derail this thread. Just make a separate one.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol who made u the law in physical strength? U think that's the only criteria?

I'm not gonna derail this thread. Just make a separate one.

I'll save the trouble and make the thread lol. what should the thread name be? Supergirl vs Thor?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
the same version of ultraman your citing was beaten by Superman

This version of Ultraman never fought Superman.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
so no he's not "universal" in durability

Why?

Baziemarc123
Right now your insisting supergirl has universal strength

Pillow Biter
I think Superman does better against all of them, except maybe the Flash. Both would beat the Flash, but Surfer might be able to do it more easily.

Against Thor, there is always the chance that the writer invokes the magic weakness and decides to make it a serious one. Then it's anybody's guess. But if it doesn't factor, as is most likely, then Superman does better than against Thor.

Baziemarc123
Flash steals Superman kinetic energy, even Jay who's a rookie managed to do so. it's worked plenty of times, and supes has no defense against it. meanwhile surfer EASILY does lmao

Pillow Biter
Bazie, we're arguing two different things.

I'm arguing based on history and comic conventions with respect to realism and how power sets tend to typically be used.

You're arguing more based on trying to superimpose a real-world level of realism on to the comics, including the assumption that a power used once could and should be used at any time it is advantageous. I'm not a big fan of these types of arguments; but I grant you that by these standards, Flash likely has many ways to beat Superman, depending on just how much faster one uses the feats to decide Flash is.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Right now your insisting supergirl has universal strength

And you're insisting Thor can lift the weight of twenty planets.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Flash steals Superman kinetic energy, even Jay who's a rookie managed to do so. it's worked plenty of times, and supes has no defense against it. meanwhile surfer EASILY does lmao

Superman was never defeated though. He generates his own speed enough to counteract speed steal.

Baziemarc123
no one said he was defeated, but jay only used speed steal as an example on superman, and it was shown to work. even wally did it on supes, and it worked perfectly fine

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Midgard Serpent was debunked a long time ago.


Just saw this.

No.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
no one said he was defeated, but jay only used speed steal as an example on superman, and it was shown to work. even wally did it on supes, and it worked perfectly fine

Working does not mean Flash is going to beat Superman with it when he can just speed up again.

Baziemarc123
midgard serpent was debunked by WHO EXACTLY lmao?

that feat's legit

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Just saw this.

No.
Yes, it was debunked.

No, your protests aren't going to change it.

quanchi112
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Just saw this.

No. thumb up

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Working does not mean Flash is going to beat Superman with it when he can just speed up again.

How do you speed up when your entire kinetic energy is stolen?

you can't move period, can't do anything.

show superman generating his own speed again after his entire energy was removed

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
How do you speed up when your entire kinetic energy is stolen?

you can't move period, can't do anything.

show superman generating his own speed again after his entire energy was removed

Flash never absorbed entire kinetic energy of Superman.

By thinking about it, Superman has broken out of such attacks before.

Unlike Surfer.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash never absorbed entire kinetic energy of Superman.

By thinking about it, Superman has broken out of such attacks before.

Unlike Surfer.

But Flash can EFFORTLESSLY do. there's nothing stopping flash from absorbing superman's kinetic energy, period.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e63750b5cbc7011571fe6642b985fc5-c

you're making a huge assumption that superman supposedly have some defense for it, show the proof for your nonexistent claim

Baziemarc123
Flash steals Superman's kinetic energy just by willing it.

https://s8.postimg.cc/jk127cj01/image.jpg

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it was debunked.

No, your protests aren't going to change it.
Who's protesting? Lol...



So what did Thor do in the scene? What happened exactly?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
But Flash can EFFORTLESSLY do. there's nothing stopping flash from absorbing superman's kinetic energy, period.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e63750b5cbc7011571fe6642b985fc5-c

you're making a huge assumption that superman supposedly have some defense for it, show the proof for your nonexistent claim


Right, Superman has never done anything like that.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/fullchronosuspension.jpg

Full chrono suspension which stops all molecules from moving. Shrugged off like nothing.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Flash steals Superman's kinetic energy just by willing it.

https://s8.postimg.cc/jk127cj01/image.jpg

And yet Superman is not defeated or rendered a statue.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, Superman has never done anything like that.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/fullchronosuspension.jpg

Full chrono suspension which stops all molecules from moving. Shrugged off like nothing.

wtf you can't be this stupid. that's not how KE WORKS

Flash can steal X KE, meaning he decreases the KE of the opponent by X. If it doesn't stop them completely, they can just accelerate again. Wally, though, has been shown being able to remove super speed several times, once in a fight with Cheetah and then there with Amazo, for example. Amazo can just copy it again, so it didn't do much there, but Cheetah lost her super speed. The other Flashes can't do that, but have still been shown to be able to bleed off KE from their opponents.

If you're faster than Flash, he can still steal your speed, because speed is a quantity that can be raised or lowered, and unless you have a defense for speed change (as the Juggernaut does) you have no defense against speed steal. This is easy to prove. If anyone ever punches something and their fist doesn't clear that thing with no resistance, then they are vulnerable to things change their speed.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Who's protesting? Lol...



So what did Thor do in the scene? What happened exactly?
Yes, you're doing that right now.

Already posted far too many times.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, you're doing that right now.

Already posted far too many times.
Don't repost Wut somebody else thinks. Wut do u think?

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't repost Wut somebody else thinks. Wut do u think?
Just what comic shows.

But enough, don't derail this thread any longer.

Baziemarc123
but you said it was "debunked"

just say you don't have an argument as to how it was debunked, but I guess when I'm around you don't wanna argue it because YOU KNOW im gonna correct you again lmao

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
but you said it was "debunked"

just say you don't have an argument as to how it was debunked, but I guess when I'm around you don't wanna argue it because YOU KNOW im gonna correct you again lmao

Yes, it was.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=573544&highlight=Serpent+userid%3A110322

Go and read.

celeyhyga17
Figured u wouldn't give some input.
thumb up

Baziemarc123
eh, so no argument then?

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Figured u wouldn't give some input.
thumb up
laughing out loud

h1a8

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud
laughing

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by One Big Mob
1. Wonder Woman - SS
2. Thor - SS
3. Orion - SS
4. Wraith - SS
5. H'el - SS
6. Kurse - SS
7. Thanos - Nobody does well
8. HP Doomsday - SS
9. Sinestro Parallax - SS
10. Flash (Wally) - SS

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Well they both do better than Thor does.

Bran is just salty as always though.

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