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In Jedi Apprentice-The Uncertain Path, Obi Wan leaves the Jedi Order and is rendered nearly powerless as a result. Qui Gon remarks this upon observing his lightsaber



That is well and good, but there is also a way to quantify how much power the lightsaber held in the force as well.



Despite being nearly powerless in the book, this is what happens when he makes contact with his lightsaber again



This also happens



The biggest thing here is that Obi Wan is Qui Gon's padawan only for a few months here. He is only 13 years old in this book. His lightsaber is already a decently powerful nexus 12 years before TPM, which is pretty impressive when you consider that only among the most powerful of Sith Lords in history like Darth Sidious and Exar Kun have managed to do the same( although the power would vary, obviously) to their lightsabers in SW material.

^ That.

If Obi-Wan needed his lightsaber to access The Force, compared when every other Jedi can use The Force without a lightsaber, its pretty dumb, especially when the Force is intertwined with everything.

Isn't the point of a lightsaber that it's imbued with Force energy? Why else do jedi use it?



So no, every lightsaber should do what Kenobi's did, it's not a matter of being a force nexus.

I think, it's the residual Force Aura left by a Jedi, hence why the Jedi never again used the sabers of their fallen comrades and held said sabers in high regard, as the saber is shapened by the will and character of the Jedi(see the first Jedi Quest book.) and is unique to them.

Like the others said, the entire narrative of having lost the Force is merely mental, as Jedi have their abilities hindered/amplified by emotions.

Obi Wan doesn't need the lightsaber to use the force, lol. It says that the force surged through him and he was capable of using it to deflect blaster bolts. That doesn't mean he is at full power. Just that he can use the force.

Evidently, as per Qui Gon the lightsaber is imbued with extra force energy than is normal in any other Jedi's lightsaber. I mean, come on, denying that is just reaching.

I agree however with Sel's point about it not being quantifiable in the way I suggested, good observation. Though it is strange that the force surged through him as soon as he touches the lightsaber, which caused me to arrive at the conclusion I did.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Obi Wan doesn't need the lightsaber to use the force, lol. It says that the force surged through him and he was capable of using it to deflect blaster bolts. That doesn't mean he is at full power. Just that he can use the force to deflect blaster bolts from being unable to use it at all.

That was the quantification I was going for. I guess I should have explicitly mentioned it.

To those reading, just consider the first quote and ignore the quantification.

All Jedi lightsabers/kyber crystals are strong with the force to some extent, though -- and much like the wielder(s), every crystal is sentient and therefore unique in its own way. That could very well be why Qui-Gon sensed something from Kenobi's lightsaber that was not present in his own... I don't think that necessarily makes it a literal 'force nexus', however. /shrug

Have we evidence that Kenobi's second lightsaber possessed a similar trait, or was it exclusive to his first blade?

Kenobi, especially as a Jedi Knight, has vast amounts of material. There may be evidence, but I don't really have the patience to look for it. If I find it later, obviously I will post it.

Your theory doesn't really fly though, because every lightsaber crystal is attuned to the force. Attunement to the force doesn't mean that the crystal will actually radiate force energy when not activated.

That said, even if you ignore that, it is clear that Qui Gon is not expecting the lightsaber to be "charged" and to "pulse" with the force when deactivated. Considering he is a Jedi Master with many decades of experience, you would basically have to say that Obi Wan's lightsaber is a statistical anomaly among a great many, many number of lightsabers which is not only unlikely, but assuming that Obi Wan's lightsaber "crystal" is the one that gives off force energy, the phenomenon would at least be common or expected or at least recorded as a phenomenon. Evidently, Qui Gon has neither experienced, nor heard of such a phenomenon( pertaining to lightsaber crystals), and considering his hype, he is one of the foremost people in the Jedi Order you would expect to know about such matters.

So, either Qui Gon of all people doesn't know the various properties a lightsaber crystal can exhibit which is a stupid assumption, or Obi Wan's lightsaber crystal is a specific type of crystal never before seen in the entire history of the order, one which is actually a sort of force nexus which actually radiates force energy when not activated which is another even more stupid assumption, or Obi Wan simply imbued the lightsaber with force energy. As we see in Legends, it is pretty easy to do so passively. I could go on, but we see many cases of not just lightsabers, but objects and locations being imbued with force energy.

Thought this was a troll thread tbh

Lmfao

Lmfao this thread is worst than most intentionally bad threads

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Kenobi, especially as a Jedi Knight, has vast amounts of material. There may be evidence, but I don't really have the patience to look for it. If I find it later, obviously I will post it.

Your theory doesn't really fly though, because every lightsaber crystal is attuned to the force. Attunement to the force doesn't mean that the crystal will actually radiate force energy when not activated.

That said, even if you ignore that, it is clear that Qui Gon is not expecting the lightsaber to be "charged" and to "pulse" with the force when deactivated. Considering he is a Jedi Master with many decades of experience, you would basically have to say that Obi Wan's lightsaber is a statistical anomaly among a great many, many number of lightsabers which is not only unlikely, but assuming that Obi Wan's lightsaber "crystal" is the one that gives off force energy, the phenomenon would at least be common or expected or at least recorded as a phenomenon. Evidently, Qui Gon has neither experienced, nor heard of such a phenomenon( pertaining to lightsaber crystals), and considering his hype, he is one of the foremost people in the Jedi Order you would expect to know about such matters.

So, either Qui Gon of all people doesn't know the various properties a lightsaber crystal can exhibit which is a stupid assumption, or Obi Wan's lightsaber crystal is a specific type of crystal never before seen in the entire history of the order, one which is actually a sort of force nexus which actually radiates force energy when not activated which is another even more stupid assumption, or Obi Wan simply imbued the lightsaber with force energy. As we see in Legends, it is pretty easy to do so passively. I could go on, but we see many cases of not just lightsabers, but objects and locations being imbued with force energy. When this junior novel was originally published back in 2000, the concept/purpose/function of lightsaber crystals hadn't really been explored much at all -- certainly not like it has been in more recent years.

IOW, the intrinsic qualities that we now know are inherent in a Jedi's lightsaber/kyber crystal obviously wouldn't have been much of a consideration for Jude Watson when he wrote this novel nearly two decades ago. Given the knowledge we have about the crystals now, however, we can deduce that it is possible the crystal in Kenobi's first saber was unique to an extent -- at least unlike anything Qui-Gon had sensed in a lightsaber he'd personally held up to that point. Does that make it a literal 'force nexus', though? Nah.


...And why are you getting so angry, lol?

I don't think the term Force Nexus should be used here, strong in The Force perhaps might be better. Otherwise items that get imbued by a Jedi/Sith/Force Adept could also be as such. It's not like it's a difficult thing to do in Legends.

Strong in The Force fits better, Force Nexus suggests something else.

Originally posted by Galan007
When this junior novel was originally published back in 2000, the concept/purpose/function of lightsaber crystals hadn't really been explored much at all -- certainly not like it has been in more recent years.

IOW, the intrinsic qualities that we now know are inherent in a Jedi's lightsaber/kyber crystal obviously wouldn't have been much of a consideration for Jude Watson when he wrote this novel nearly two decades ago. Given the knowledge we have about the crystals now, however, we can deduce that it is possible the crystal in Kenobi's first saber was unique to an extent -- at least unlike anything Qui-Gon had sensed in a lightsaber he'd personally held up to that point. Does that make it a literal 'force nexus', though? Nah.


...And why are you getting so angry, lol?

Exactly. The concept of items being imbued with the force was very much a thing in Legends however at the time, so we can assume that Jude Watson( she is a female) was referring to such a concept when she wrote it, not about the inner workings of lightsaber crystals.

But even if she wasn't, crystals don't radiate force energy when deactivated. At least, I have never seen evidence of such a thing.

It is also not just about Qui Gon "sensing" it. He must surely have been educated well on how a lightsaber crystal is "supposed" to behave and act, including anomaly cases. It is one thing for each crystal to be unique, it is a completely different thing for a crystal to literally be so unique that it radiates force energy when no other crystal does and that is very unlikely.

You are basically asserting here, that the lightsaber crystal in question is so unique, its properties have not been explored by the Jedi in general, which is not a feasible assumption at all. If for no other reason, than the fact that Qui Gon would have undoubtedly have heard of such a "unique" crystal entering the Jedi Temple, even before Obi Wan would have acquired it and used it in the blade.

Lastly, doesn't "imbued with the force" and "nexus" basically mean the same thing? If you feel an object radiate the force, it is obviously imbued with the force, but doesn't that make it a nexus too( however weak the so called nexus may be)?

Literally what in my post indicated that I was angry, lol? Don't tell me you drew that conclusion from me writing "stupid assumption"?

As Zenwolf mentioned, there is a significant difference between an item being "strong in the force" and it being a literal "force nexus". Per that novel, Kenobi's saber was certainly unique in the way the force manifested itself within it -- but again, I wouldn't go so far as to call it a nexus. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
As Zenwolf mentioned, there is a significant difference between an item being "strong in the force" and it being a literal "force nexus"

What is the difference?

Are you just trolling, or are you seriously asking me what the difference is between an object that is mildly strong/unique in the force, and a bonafide nexus of the force?

Put it this way, what is the difference between an object imbued with the force and radiates the force(idk, like a Sith talisman or something like that) and a nexus, which also radiates the force and can affect those in it?

Sorry if I was pretty ignorant on this matter and wasn't aware of something basic here, but I always assumed the two were similar from the start and didn't think much of it.

True nexuses are defined as places/objects where "the force flows freely, like a torrent, flooding the surrounding area with power" -- and in true nexuses, the force is "exponentially amplified".

Kenobi's rookie lightsaber hardly qualifies as such. It may have been mildly strong/unique in the force, but that doesn't make it a literal nexus.

Objects become imbued with Force energy over time if exposed enough to a Force user/place's presence. I don't see why that is such a feat. It happened to Sidious, Kun, Ulic, Ragnos, Sadow