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Who at high herald can survive PC Superman near best punch and still live to talk about it? Marvel or DC?
.

With a few exceptions, not many under high Herald level

PC Superman had absurd striking power.

Avenger's butler

Wheelchair Xavier

Aunt Petunia

BRIT

https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Brit-Image-Comics-Invincible-Kirkman-i.jpg

Nobody.

A single punch, from Superboy, with this casual force:

https://i.imgur.com/R3OZHQs.jpg

... would atomize everybody

Impressive, but i still bet on Brit.

Originally posted by riv6672
Impressive, but i still bet on Brit.

So what's Brit done?

Originally posted by Galan007
The strength/invulnerability thread made me think of this oldie but goodie...




Brit:

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854472_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_042.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854473_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_043.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854474_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_044.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854478_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_045.jpg

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854482_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_046.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854484_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_047.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854485_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_048.jpg http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26854487_Brit_vol_01_2007_digital-Empire_049.jpg



****ing awesome.

Carver
Huc

I mean, this is a guy whose phucking unchecked sneeze can obliterate a solar system:

https://i.imgur.com/2QwKGa4.jpg

...Nevermind him flying to another universe in the space of a single panel, lol.


I cannot even fathom what an all-out punch from him would be capable of, though I'm positive no herald could survive it unaided.

^^^ Brit would be lonely, just floating around, then.

Besides its not like Supes can actually just destroy any and everything.
https://i.stack.imgur.com/aQuIS.jpg

No one under a fed Galactus level in power.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Ya know, I've seen people legitimately try to argue that Superman was amped there, because he was affected by Mxy's sneezing powder. Instead of it didn't amp his sneeze, it just made him sneeze. Mxy's powder didn't amp Superman at all. It just made him unleash a 'full power' sneeze.

Starbreaker

Originally posted by Faceless808
Starbreaker

LIES!

Originally posted by riv6672
BRIT

https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Brit-Image-Comics-Invincible-Kirkman-i.jpg

Seconded.


And:


https://orig00.deviantart.net/a775/f/2013/039/c/7/juggernaut_by_guy01-d5ua8w8.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Mxy's powder didn't amp Superman at all. It just made him unleash a 'full power' sneeze.

It just shows the lengths people go to low-ball Superman, regardless of era.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^ Brit would be lonely, just floating around, then.

Besides its not like Supes can actually just destroy any and everything.
https://i.stack.imgur.com/aQuIS.jpg

Supermans kind of a dick.

Surfer

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Surfer

LIES OF A WHORINSON LOVER!!!!

Originally posted by cdtm
https://orig00.deviantart.net/a775/f/2013/039/c/7/juggernaut_by_guy01-d5ua8w8.jpg
I would legit agree w. that, yes.

Originally posted by cdtm
Supermans kind of a dick.
Remember the old Super Dickery site?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
LIES OF A WHORINSON LOVER!!!!
Hyperion

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
LIES!


I'm only going off of that JLA issue where Green Arrow (?) says, (Starbreaker) played with our most powerful members, showing SM, GL and Flash. Don't know if the fight was shown in a previous issue or not, but it took Sargon to find a way to defeat Starbreaker by attacking him with emotional energy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Mxy's powder didn't amp Superman at all. It just made him unleash a 'full power' sneeze.


Originally posted by Delta1938
It just shows the lengths people go to low-ball Superman, regardless of era.


Or, just as likely, perhaps some of these people not only think of Mxy's penchant for "tweaking" other people, whether that be by amping OR depowering them, but also first read of a different instance where someone with pre-Crisis Superman-level powers sneezed ...

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827653_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827654_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827655_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827656_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827657_image.jpg



Source: Superman #407
Date: May 1985


... and the solar system, planet, country, state, city, and even most of the street they happened to be on remained just fine afterwards.

Butterball/Boulder aka Emory Schaub (Marvel Comics)

True Brit (Invincible Comics? Kirkman, etcetera)

Domino (Marvel Comics)

Long Shot (Marvel Comics, X-Men)

Scarlet Witch (powers active)

Hydro man

Iceman

Sandman

Sebastian Shaw

Dr.Doom (force field)

Magneto (Magnetic shielding)

Hulk-killer Humanoid

Cannonball (Marvel Comics, New Warriors)

Originally posted by lawest9
Who at high herald can survive PC Superman near best punch and still live to talk about it? Marvel or DC?
.

No Herald would survive. PC Superman was the ultimate plot device, it would take a character like Walker to remain standing without showing any signs of wear.

Originally posted by Stoic
No Herald would survive. PC Superman was the ultimate plot device, it would take a character like Walker to remain standing without showing any signs of wear.
Juggernaut
Some versions of Sentry

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Or, just as likely, perhaps some of these people not only think of Mxy's penchant for "tweaking" other people, whether that be by amping OR depowering them, but also first read of a different instance where someone with pre-Crisis Superman-level powers sneezed ...

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827653_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827654_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827655_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827656_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827657_image.jpg





Source: Superman #407
Date: May 1985


... and the solar system, planet, country, state, city, and even most of the street they happened to be on remained just fine afterwards.




Different showings happen.

The only thing I think is pis, is someone with Supermans powers sneezing at all from normal things. He generally doesn't get sick, drunk, sleep deprived, or anything else that affects us mere mortals..

Originally posted by Stoic
No Herald would survive. PC Superman was the ultimate plot device, it would take a character like Walker to remain standing without showing any signs of wear.
Surfer survives big bang. jawdrop
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s34bLKlSnrg/WO5EGxWOh8I/AAAAAAADM5M/dMxN6vb6YaMRMpLmyIUgdgKQQmhG7434wCLcB/s1600/071_006.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bg52shIZAJk/WfCwZwE_qgI/AAAAAAACddo/RB4XoarHzpIFfil-W5XcKUifyGyysQUWQCLcBGAs/s1600/031_0002.jpg

Hyperion survives two universe destruction. firefirefireph
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kY5jk9l7NW4/Uv5FTFcvsqI/AAAAAAAADV0/1jvzcW_mms4/s1600/-013.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BfAmFE_WyLY/Uv5FSxFXt-I/AAAAAAAADVs/BnlUoYrWLgo/s1600/-014.jpg


whistling

The whole universe dies.

ha

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Surfer survives big bang. jawdrop
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s34bLKlSnrg/WO5EGxWOh8I/AAAAAAADM5M/dMxN6vb6YaMRMpLmyIUgdgKQQmhG7434wCLcB/s1600/071_006.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bg52shIZAJk/WfCwZwE_qgI/AAAAAAACddo/RB4XoarHzpIFfil-W5XcKUifyGyysQUWQCLcBGAs/s1600/031_0002.jpg

Hyperion survives two universe destruction. firefirefireph
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kY5jk9l7NW4/Uv5FTFcvsqI/AAAAAAAADV0/1jvzcW_mms4/s1600/-013.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BfAmFE_WyLY/Uv5FSxFXt-I/AAAAAAAADVs/BnlUoYrWLgo/s1600/-014.jpg


whistling
Superman actually oneshotted a machine which was fine in the big bang.

Which diesnt really mean anything.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Or, just as likely, perhaps some of these people not only think of Mxy's penchant for "tweaking" other people, whether that be by amping OR depowering them, but also first read of a different instance where someone with pre-Crisis Superman-level powers sneezed ...

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827653_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827654_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827655_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827656_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827657_image.jpg



Source: Superman #407
Date: May 1985


... and the solar system, planet, country, state, city, and even most of the street they happened to be on remained just fine afterwards.

Not surprised you're here to low-key argue against Superman.

You give too much credit to these people. The fact that you said "just as likely" proves your intentions.

Kal-L blew out a star(well Golden Age Superman, which would apply to Kal-L by retcon but I digress), and the scene indicated Superman knew what would happen if he sneezed, not Mxy amped him. Or do you think Superman would have flown the distance he did if Mxy increased his powers without his knowledge? Given what you're trying to argue, he'd leave the atmosphere tops.

PC Superman's power-level was absurd. There might not be any herald who could survive an all-out punch from him. We have seen even the likes of Juggernaut and Brit take damage, which means that Superman would take them out as well.

Perhaps some beings who can exist without a physical body on astral plane would survive their body being annihilated, depending on how their consciousness works. For example, Iceman's consciousness might disperse too thin if his body was suddenly atomized across the galaxy, preventing him from reforming.

Looney Tunes Lobo would survive.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Surfer survives big bang. jawdrop
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s34bLKlSnrg/WO5EGxWOh8I/AAAAAAADM5M/dMxN6vb6YaMRMpLmyIUgdgKQQmhG7434wCLcB/s1600/071_006.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bg52shIZAJk/WfCwZwE_qgI/AAAAAAACddo/RB4XoarHzpIFfil-W5XcKUifyGyysQUWQCLcBGAs/s1600/031_0002.jpg


This is what happens to The Glinting Bastard but THIS time with one punch!

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/thanos/Thanos_Silver_Surfer_3.jpg

Originally posted by Delta1938
Not surprised you're here to low-key argue against Superman.

You give too much credit to these people. The fact that you said "just as likely" proves your intentions.

Kal-L blew out a star(well Golden Age Superman, which would apply to Kal-L by retcon but I digress), and the scene indicated Superman knew what would happen if he sneezed, not Mxy amped him. Or do you think Superman would have flown the distance he did if Mxy increased his powers without his knowledge? Given what you're trying to argue, he'd leave the atmosphere tops.


Similarly, I'm surprised you took nearly 20 hours to leave a response to me here. Perhaps even somewhat disappointed and concerned; you used to be more reliable than some of the timepieces I've owned.

Regarding this particular issue?

Ultimately too much inconsistency to warrant much time on this.
And too hard to search. Probably take as much effort to find it as it did to find Wonder Woman's solo moon pull, 'cause people are absolutely LOUSY about providing reference information.
At least thanks to the following thread I know that Mxy-amped Galaxy sneeze occurred in Action Comics #273:

https://beta.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/superman-the-sneeze-1845359/

PC Superman and the sneeze that shook the universe was one of those silly moments in comics, and could easily be classified as an outlier type feat. After all, it was an extremely rare showing. All the same, he was certainly above the top Herald pay grade. The Silver Surfer being the top tier Herald of that era came close to mirroring many of PC Superman's average showings but he was never quite as resilient to all of the things that PC Superman could withstand.

The answer to the OP is simple. No Herald, not the Juggernaut, Surfer, Thor, or even present day Superman could withstand the ridiculous amounts of power that PC Superman could muster in his most powerful punch.

Butterball.

Originally posted by Facee
Looney Tunes Lobo would survive.
ooh, good one.

Nice to get back on topic.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
This is what happens to The Glinting Bastard but THIS time with one punch!

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/thanos/Thanos_Silver_Surfer_3.jpg

He did the same thing to Superman. Only he was calling himself Mongul.

Originally posted by cdtm
He did the same thing to Superman. Only he was calling himself Mongul.

Thanos would do what he did to the Surfer to Mongul, and perhaps even easier. Mongul is not DC's version of Thanos.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos would do what he did to the Surfer to Mongul, and perhaps even easier. Mongul is not DC's version of Thanos.

Starlin even wrote the exact same speech bubble pattern. Same as Synarr.

He couldn't be exact, obviously, but it was pretty obvious Starlin copies from a template..

Originally posted by cdtm
He did the same thing to Superman. Only he was calling himself Mongul.


LIES OF A MISERABLE WHORE!!!

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Similarly, I'm surprised you took nearly 20 hours to leave a response to me here. Perhaps even somewhat disappointed and concerned; you used to be more reliable than some of the timepieces I've owned.

Regarding this particular issue?

Ultimately too much inconsistency to warrant much time on this.
And too hard to search. Probably take as much effort to find it as it did to find Wonder Woman's solo moon pull, 'cause people are absolutely LOUSY about providing reference information.
At least thanks to the following thread I know that Mxy-amped Galaxy sneeze occurred in Action Comics #273:

https://beta.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/superman-the-sneeze-1845359/

Er, ok.

I read the entire thread. Terrible argument. His entire argument rests on the assumption because they keep saying magic, that it means the sneezing powder amped the sneeze. He says "what was blatant" and "clear" but it requires reaching to conclude that. The only thing made clear was it being magic meant Superman could be affected by it. His defense about others not sneezing significantly because..... Superman inhaled a lot more, requires ignoring that it didn't show to do anything more than make them sneeze. No indication their sneezes were amped. He even brought up Superman can't sneeze on command as if it's relevant to this being a feat of power.

You try to argue because Mxy has messed with Superman's powers before, but the scans(of the sneeze) show no indication that Mxy is trying to mess with Superman's powers. So nope, all we see is the sneezing powder just made him sneeze, not amped it.

Originally posted by Stoic
PC Superman and the sneeze that shook the universe was one of those silly moments in comics, and could easily be classified as an outlier type feat. After all, it was an extremely rare showing.

Whether it's an outlier or not, OP says this.

Originally posted by lawest9
Who at high herald can survive PC Superman near best punch and still live to talk about it? Marvel or DC?
.

So I'm thinking he had using Superman's feats like this in mind.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Er, ok.

I read the entire thread. Terrible argument. His entire argument rests on the assumption because they keep saying magic, that it means the sneezing powder amped the sneeze. He says "what was blatant" and "clear" but it requires reaching to conclude that. The only thing made clear was it being magic meant Superman could be affected by it. His defense about others not sneezing significantly because..... Superman inhaled a lot more, requires ignoring that it didn't show to do anything more than make them sneeze. No indication their sneezes were amped. He even brought up Superman can't sneeze on command as if it's relevant to this being a feat of power.

You try to argue because Mxy has messed with Superman's powers before, but the scans(of the sneeze) show no indication that Mxy is trying to mess with Superman's powers. So nope, all we see is the sneezing powder just made him sneeze, not amped it.



Whether it's an outlier or not, OP says this.



So I'm thinking he had using Superman's feats like this in mind.

Well that was a sneeze, and not a punch if ya wanna be technical about it. Outlier it is then, nuff said.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
but also first read of a different instance where someone with pre-Crisis Superman-level powers sneezed ...

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827653_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827654_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827655_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827656_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827657_image.jpg


... and the solar system, planet, country, state, city, and even most of the street they happened to be on remained just fine afterwards. What is this even supposed to prove? Jimmy Olsen is who sneezed there, and Mxy had just given him "SOME OF" Superman's powers beforehand.

Surprised Baz is not here to low ball.

Originally posted by playa1258
Surprised Baz is not here to low ball.
He has been banned

Well earned as he is one of the biggest haters I have seen on any board.

Which is saying a lot.

Originally posted by cdtm
Starlin even wrote the exact same speech bubble pattern. Same as Synarr.

He couldn't be exact, obviously, but it was pretty obvious Starlin copies from a template..
Does he?
One more reason to think he sucks.

Originally posted by Galan007
What is this even supposed to prove? Jimmy Olsen is who sneezed there, and Mxy had just given him "SOME OF" Superman's powers beforehand.


Jimmy Olsen, as the first person to touch Clark after Mxy's spell was cast, specifically directly lifted a full three-fourths, 75%, of Superman's powers:

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38841008_image.jpg



If 100% of a pre-Crisis Superman sneeze would take out a solar system, then even 50% of a pre-Crisis Superman sneeze should take out planet Earth.

It doesn't, and Jimmy has NO reason even subconsciously to check his sneeze, not even having been aware that he HAD Kryptonian power at that point.

So the solar system destroying sneeze is either an EXTREME outlier as far as Pre-Crisis Superman is concerned, or the idea that his sneezes would do that on their own is wrong and Mxy's Magic accounts for the ridiculous joke-level magnitude of the sneeze's power.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He has been banned

Ohhh! KMC has been liberated from the father of all trolls ..come to think..havent seen quan in a while..ban???

Grounded.

Best heralds to take one of his punches are his Pre-Crisis peers IMHO.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Jimmy Olsen, as the first person to touch Clark after Mxy's spell was cast, specifically directly lifted a full three-fourths, 75%, of Superman's powers:

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38841008_image.jpg



If 100% of a pre-Crisis Superman sneeze would take out a solar system, then even 50% of a pre-Crisis Superman sneeze should take out planet Earth.

It doesn't, and Jimmy has NO reason even subconsciously to check his sneeze, not even having been aware that he HAD Kryptonian power at that point.

So the solar system destroying sneeze is either an EXTREME outlier as far as Pre-Crisis Superman is concerned, or the idea that his sneezes would do that on their own is wrong and Mxy's Magic accounts for the ridiculous joke-level magnitude of the sneeze's power.

Or Jimmy controlled and stopped it.



When mxy sprinkled him with his magic dust, he lost control and had to sneeze. Before sneezing he flew to a dead universe because he knew he could destroy the entire solar system.

There was nothing that stated it was an amped sneeze, just that he was made to sneeze.

He flew to a dead universe in a single panel and then back. This implies a much greater speed feet. not only did he travel out of our universe but possibly many more universes before he found a dead universe and let out his sneeze. This isn't like he was at a portal and checked out different universes, he had to fly and cross universes until he got to the dead one. For a being with that kind of self powered flight speed, the force from his lungs should be enough to blot out a solar system and more with a sneeze.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Or, just as likely, perhaps some of these people not only think of Mxy's penchant for "tweaking" other people, whether that be by amping OR depowering them, but also first read of a different instance where someone with pre-Crisis Superman-level powers sneezed ...

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827653_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827654_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827655_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827656_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38827657_image.jpg



Source: Superman #407
Date: May 1985


... and the solar system, planet, country, state, city, and even most of the street they happened to be on remained just fine afterwards.

Amazing find.