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ok, welcome one and all to the opening round of my little Secret Wars Event. competitors have been briefed on the rules. this is your BF:

https://imgur.com/a/S9UJQv3

you are in RAMPAGE CITY, the monsters can be found if you wish. endless cityscapes built to be destroyed. you start 50 km apart, both on the ground.

mutant will be using an amalgam of ORION and HAWKMAN, while abhi has DR STRANGE and LIVING LASER.

judges for this match up: Bada, stoic and smurph my thanks for the help gentlemen.

ABHI'S OP

Here it is.

Dr Strange, master of the mystic arts and Living Laser.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111270097/6473419-8225513914-250px.jpg

First thing first, Living Laser is composed of Living Light and is as fast as light in both travel and movement speed.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/5095668-living+laser+light+speed+2.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/5095669-living+laser+light+speed.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/5095670-living+laser+speed+of+thought.jpg

What does that mean? It means that now Dr Strange can cast spells at the speed of light and move at the same speed.

Scary, huh?

Let's start with the simple shields which Strange would conjure.

Simple shields tank destruction of a planet, tanked a supernova, a pissed off Mephisto, a pissed off Dormammu, even a big bang (confirmed decades later) and even attacks which were ripping entire dimensions aparts. There are just too many such scans so I'm just posting some of the good ones. If need be, I'll post more later.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1htv3wwkc/

So forget about breaking Strange's autoshields.

Now, we get to his casted shields. Holds off Dormammu hurling enough force to topple planets, shields from Galactus, shields from Cyttorak in his own realm, Mephisto and Satannish etc. Strange can cast these shields by just a thought.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/kshs5rdo/

First thing, I disable Orion's mother box with a magnetic vortex.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23918175/06.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23918176/07.jpg.html

Strange can casually bring Magnetic vortexes down to do that.

http://i.imgur.com/YkjiFHK.jpg

And then I throw the mother box to the far reaches of time and space.

http://i.imgur.com/TnSX65h.jpg

Next thing, Strange blinds Orion. He has done it to the likes of Mephisto casually.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111186194/4264928-01.png
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126484/5084740-2957003147-p11_9.jpg

Next, an illusion to trap Orion. A depowered Strange casually trapped an entire Avengers team including Sentry in an illusion (Sentry has some stupid TP feats). He has casually put Emma Frost to sleep.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/11nuwd49o/


He was about to put ****ing Beyonder (pre retcon) into an endless illusion accepted by Beyonder himself. Beyonder was in an inebriated state but its Beyonder.

http://imgur.com/a/qVsAt
http://i.imgur.com/ETDiICc.jpg

And then I oneshot Orion by simple magical attacks. Just like Strange oneshotted Hulk.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112794/6417747-mysticbolt_dfb1%28df_v1%2344%29%28dp%29.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112794/6417748-mysticbolt_dfb2%28df_v1%2344%29%28dp%29.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112794/6417749-mysticbolt_dfb3%28df_v1%2344%29%28dp%29.jpg

And a simple spell would turn any attack Orion attempts on himself. Just like it did to Mephisto and Satannish.

http://i.imgur.com/s50QCL7.jpg

And then I scatter the very soul of Orion across dimensions. Just like I did to Dormammu.

https://s33.postimg.cc/6m9s4lpov/image.jpg

So in short, Orion is blinded, trapped into an illusion, his mother box disabled, knocked out, all his attacks turned back against him and his essence itself scattered across dimensions and unable to reconstitute himself. All at the speed of Light. Orion is fast, but he is hardly lightspeed fast.

Let's pick this mockery of a post apart, shall we?




Seriously? Your own scan says that it only absorbed the lightning Adam was throwing around.

A spell on the other end? Dr Fate was melting Nth metal armor like nothing and this was a novice Hector Hall.

https://s6.postimg.cc/shplrwg5t/24-11.jpg

Or simply teleport Hawkman with his nth metal armor away like nothing.

https://s6.postimg.cc/x3lq0a49t/JSA-051-06.jpg

Or like Mordru turning Hawkgirl with her nth metal wings into a bird.

https://s6.postimg.cc/pav28e61d/04-04.jpg

Simply put, your armor would be stripped away with a thought. Dr Strange has some of the most insane transmutation feats out there. But just to show how he does against metals which can penetrate his shields, here he literally transmutes Hitler's Handgun into butterflies.

http://i.imgur.com/gFmPiok.jpg

And Hitler's handgun did exactly what you think nth metal can do.

https://s6.postimg.cc/r2o13d9zl/image.jpg

So your fancy nth metal armor is not gonna do anything to me.



Seriously? Darkseid threw the fight and had Orion convinced that he was dead.

https://s6.postimg.cc/9dwabq3dd/orion014_OCD-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ywomoqun5/orion014_OCD-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/frldez0jl/orion13kebbin15-1.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/epb6wg4vl/orion15kebbin08.jpg

Orion never rebounded omega beams, Darkseid just used them to teleport away.




Not one of them shows anything about nth metal able to withstand spells or disrupt magic.

How surprising.




This is blatantly false. Dr Fate was rendered mute by Onimar Synn so he could not speak and say any spell.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/wvkapnj2/

It wasn't nth metal walls which were keeping him from using magic and Onimar Synn had far more control over nth metal than Hawkman ever did.



Until Strange just turns it all into ice just like he did to Dormammu.

http://i.imgur.com/AkvI3eO.jpg

Just a word and all the nth metal would be useless to you.



That's only blocking Fate's energy blast. Not disrupting his magic.

Any astro force blast will be turned against you by shields of seraphim.

https://s6.postimg.cc/rj98pl08x/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/xwybsucup/image.jpg


You are not going to do jack with astro force.




What's the purpose of showing this? Show the power of astro force which will be turned against you?




Showing examples where Laser was solid doesn't makes any difference.

https://s6.postimg.cc/fvf6v1b41/RCO021.jpg

Laser can become intangible at lightspeed. So can Dr Strange.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1qhte6p9a/



Then its a good thing I already disabled the mother box and threw it across the universe, isn't it?




Are you seriously using throwing knives as a strategy? Amateurs these days.

You are outmatched in speed, your nth metal is transmuted into ice, mother box disabled, astro force turned against you, you are captured into an illusion and blasted to oblivion at lightspeed and you are talking about throwing knives at me?

Buckle up kid, you are in major leagues now.

abhi's final post




Random out of context scans wouldn't help you. It was a magnetical field which disabled the mother box.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/xdj3sony/

Barda straight up says MB was trapped like Scott was with a magnetic field.


The speed at which I can travel is so much faster than you makes it easy for me to snare the mother box and teleport it to the farthest reaches of time and space.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/14mxbpeji/

Living Laser was faster than Quasar's lightspeed beams and even drained moved at the speed of light.

Nothing you can do is even going to touch me.





The magnetic field disabled mother box ability to teleport as well. MB is not teleporting anywhere.







When Orion is aware of the situation and ordered MB to do it? Here he isn't aware he is inside an illusion.





I like how he is randomly calling bluff on actual scans when I posted the context. It was a novice Hector Hall and he needed to speak to cast spells.

You got caught red handed, it happens.






Yeah, uncontrolled lightning bursts. I'm not throwing random lightning bolts here. These are spells for which you have no answer for. Nth metal has been transmuted by magical spells. Deal with it.





This is it. You posted no evidence that nth metal is anti magic. In fact you showed nth metal absorbing and storing magical energy.

If nth metal was anti magic, it would negate the magical energy. Not store it.




Only some of it who dropped out of sky.




And Hawkman is suddenly Dr Strange now?




See judges how he has no counter to the point that nth metal can be transmuted by magical spells.

Hawkman has straight up said that Onimar Synn controlled nth metal far better than he ever did. Hawkman doesn't gets feats of Onimar synn and metal golems just because he has nth metal armor no more than Deathstroke does.




See, here it comes. Try to use feats for characters who are not Hawkman. Good to see.




And what do you think that's gonna do? Living Laser has been completely blown apart by Iron Man and it did nothing to him.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/22ltxrw7y/

Not to mention Dr Strange can literally pull himself together by bits and pieces of his body. Here he does it to himself and Spider-Man when both of their bodies were completely annihilated.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/jv16jf1a/

Heck, Nightmare literally explodes Dr Strange's body and he recoveres within a panel.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...987+%237%29.png

What do you think your little head shot can do to me if it ever touches me?




Like I said, he doesn't show any SINGLE feat done by Hawkman himself. Its all feat from others.





Except neither gentleman ghost or shadow thief are energy beings who can phase at the speed of light along with extra intangibility of Dr Strange.





Living Laser isn't changing density. He is a living energy. And the scans of him in New Avengers is after he was depowered and was human for a while.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/31l12ek0u/

So out of context scans yet again.




In flying speed. Not combat speed where Laser is explicitly lightspeed.




While Superman had no idea who Orion was and then blitzed the shit out of Orion?

https://static.comicvine.com/upload.../> 20%2B001.jpg

Which was explicitly a hypersonic blitz?

https://postimg.cc/image/6nngl9kml/


https://imgur.com/x9jebQP


Now, this is just hilarious. That wasn't even Black Racer, it was Mr Miracle impersonating Black Racer and Orion had ALE at the time.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2uc3dvb32/

I mean, seriously?





Parlor tricks which even street level characters have done.





Again out of context scans? Darkseid was weakened fighting Highfather.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/urefmkta/

You can't help it, can you?





This is after Laser was depowered and human once again. Out of context scans again?




So just to sum all of this.

Mutant is unable to counter any of my offenses (blinding him, turning nth metal in ice, scattering his very being to separate dimensions, trapping him into illusions, koing him and straight up beating him down) and wants to believe that a headshot is going to do anything to me?
with his repeated out of context scans?

This wasn't even a contest. This was a damn joke.

@ABHI--the format you sent me your post in was...not good. i tried to keep the formatting as close as i could, but as a result a couple of your scans are broken so feel free to repost the correct links below.

good match gents. good luck to both. judges it's in your hands.

Random out of context scans wouldn't help you. It was a magnetical field which disabled the mother box.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/xdj3sony/

Barda straight up says MB was trapped like Scott was with a magnetic field.


The speed at which I can travel is so much faster than you makes it easy for me to snare the mother box and teleport it to the farthest reaches of time and space.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/14mxbpeji/

Living Laser was faster than Quasar's lightspeed beams and even drained moved at the speed of light.

Nothing you can do is even going to touch me.




The magnetic field disabled mother box ability to teleport as well. MB is not teleporting anywhere.






When Orion is aware of the situation and ordered MB to do it? Here he isn't aware he is inside an illusion.




I like how he is randomly calling bluff on actual scans when I posted the context. It was a novice Hector Hall and he needed to speak to cast spells.

You got caught red handed, it happens.





Yeah, uncontrolled lightning bursts. I'm not throwing random lightning bolts here. These are spells for which you have no answer for. Nth metal has been transmuted by magical spells. Deal with it.




This is it. You posted no evidence that nth metal is anti magic. In fact you showed nth metal absorbing and storing magical energy.

If nth metal was anti magic, it would negate the magical energy. Not store it.






Only some of it who dropped out of sky.



And Hawkman is suddenly Dr Strange now?



See judges how he has no counter to the point that nth metal can be transmuted by magical spells.

Hawkman has straight up said that Onimar Synn controlled nth metal far better than he ever did. Hawkman doesn't gets feats of Onimar synn and metal golems just because he has nth metal armor no more than Deathstroke does.



See, here it comes. Try to use feats for characters who are not Hawkman. Good to see.



And what do you think that's gonna do? Living Laser has been completely blown apart by Iron Man and it did nothing to him.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/22ltxrw7y/

Not to mention Dr Strange can literally pull himself together by bits and pieces of his body. Here he does it to himself and Spider-Man when both of their bodies were completely annihilated.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/jv16jf1a/

Heck, Nightmare literally explodes Dr Strange's body and he recoveres within a panel.

https://s6.postimg.cc/7kucdsng1/6478608-regen_strange_tales_1987_7.jpg

What do you think your little head shot can do to me if it ever touches me?



Like I said, he doesn't show any SINGLE feat done by Hawkman himself. Its all feat from others.




Except neither gentleman ghost or shadow thief are energy beings who can phase at the speed of light along with extra intangibility of Dr Strange.




Living Laser isn't changing density. He is a living energy. And the scans of him in New Avengers is after he was depowered and was human for a while.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/31l12ek0u/

So out of context scans yet again.



In flying speed. Not combat speed where Laser is explicitly lightspeed.



While Superman had no idea who Orion was and then blitzed the shit out of Orion?

https://s6.postimg.cc/ebatn8ibl/4036366-3496083-superman_v_orion_speedblitz_superman_20_001.jpg


Which was explicitly a hypersonic blitz?

https://postimg.cc/image/6nngl9kml/



Now, this is just hilarious. That wasn't even Black Racer, it was Mr Miracle impersonating Black Racer and Orion had ALE at the time.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2uc3dvb32/

I mean, seriously?




Parlor tricks which even street level characters have done.




Again out of context scans? Darkseid was weakened fighting Highfather.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/urefmkta/

You can't help it, can you?




This is after Laser was depowered and human once again. Out of context scans again?



So just to sum all of this.

Mutant is unable to counter any of my offenses (blinding him, turning nth metal in ice, scattering his very being to separate dimensions, trapping him into illusions, koing him and straight up beating him down) and wants to believe that a headshot is going to do anything to me? With his repeated out of context scans?

This wasn't even a contest. This was a damn joke.

After reading Mutant, and Abhi's posts, I've come to a tough decision.

Let me break my decision/s down to you guys.

Mutant made claims that his Nth metal armored warrior would be able to negate, or disrupt anything that could be thrown at his amalgamation, while Abhi claimed that these redundancies would be useless.

1. Through tough deliberation, I gave the point to Abhi, because I was not fully convinced that Strange would not be able to nullify the protective properties of Nth metal. This was an especially tough call, because Abhi was able to show that Dr. Strange was able to disrupt and literally remove another form of metal that had anti magic properties. However, Nth metal has a long history of destroying magical constructs as well as resisting magical assaults, but Abhi then showed how easily Dr. Fate was able to harm Nth metal when he posted a scan of Fate melting Nth metal.

Nth Metal vs Magic
Point goes to Abhilegend.

2. Orion's defense vs magic and/or energy attacks

I was not convinced that Darkseid could get through Orion's Astro force field even though the attack may have been used for other purposes. The point being that Orion was able to deflect Darkseid's direct Omega Beam attack, which in my honest opinion is far greater than anything that the Living Laser can bring to the table. If those beams hit Orion directly, I have no doubt that they would have done incredible damage to him, which is why I came to this decision.

Astro Force vs Magic, and energy attacks.

Point goes to Mutant.

3. Overall power versatility vs Defensive ability.

In my honest opinion, this was the toughest call for me to make, because Dr. Strange has exhibited incredible versatility over the years when it comes down to his spellcraft, while Orion has been shown to be a cosmic juggernaut with the ability to defend against nearly anything thrown against him. Especially so, while using his innate abilities coupled with the Motherbox tech.

While both contenders (Abhi and Mutant) made brilliant arguments, I gave Mutant the overall win, because I had yet to be convinced that Dr. Strange Laser had an answer for the Mother Box tech that would allow Orion Hawk to react, and act at a pace that Dr. Strange Laser would be able to keep up with.

This was an extremely close match but the final point goes to Mutant for the win.

Good posts for both SM and Abhi. I had to read through both your posts 3 times because both of your defenses were well thought, and it was a stalemate.

Brute force and energy attacks weren't going to work quickly on either, imo. I figure Hawk Orion would last the longest if that were the case. Orion recently swatted away GL light constructs in the past 1-2 years.

I wasn't 100% convinced that the Nth metal/Astro force combo would null all of Laser Fate's attacks. But again. Orion had the best defenses, imo.

This came down to two things for me: the mental illusion and the quick draw contest. This is where Laser Fate has the advantage.

I didn't see ample responses to the mental illusion of Laser Fate. Yes, Orion freed people from illusions but no proof was offered that Orion could escape the illusion except that the MB and Nth metal would just do it automatically, per SM.

After my second reading of the posts I was going to give SM the win. But I give Abhi the win, ever so narrowly, due to the illusion. I think the Laser Fate illusion, plus light speed attack is enough to give him a win. Great match guys. This was very hard to judge. You both will enjoy temp bans for making me spend over an hour on this tourny. sneer

stoic, bada, thanks. great input. well thought out. so it all comes down to smurph.... he said his vote would be in sometime before the end of the day today.

Smurph vote

Good, really inventive match, guys. Both amalgams are potent, and you both did a lot to show that off.

This match was about plot devices. It came down to Nth metal trump card vs magic trump card, which made it annoying to parse apart and try and find concrete, provable points. IMO, Abhi was able to establish stronger, simpler points that were less dependant on context. Mutant was able to show that Nth metal could ruin Dr. Strange's day, but we can't just translate Onimar Synn's feats, or those dependant on the vibration manipulation shenanigans in Metal, to something that Hawkman could replicate on the fly.

And, I ultimately believed that Strange in a quickdraw could probably vanish the motherbox, transmute nth metal, and trap Orion/Hawkman in an illusion. These were damaging blows for Mutant to deal with - Strange may be the pick to beat in this tourney.

Vote: Abhilegend

It was fun while it lasted, thanks.

You did great. Thanks for the match.

really solid match, gents. fun to read.

Originally posted by Supermutant
It was fun while it lasted, thanks. You had my vote after my first and second perusal of the match. You did very well. Hope you do another tourney.

I would like to do 1 more this summer.