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This is Ms. Marvel powers only aka : CL50 (at least) strength, supersonic flight speeds, ok energy attacks, and very respectable durability. She can't go Binary.

How does she do vs these Marvel superhuman ladies? This isn't a gauntlet.
1) Spiderwoman (Jessica Drew)
2) Spiderwoman (Julia)
3) Jessica Jones
4) Monet (no TP)
5) Frenzy
6) Thundra
7) Titania
8) She-Hulk

IMHO, she can get the majority vs any of them except maybe She-Hulk (who appears to be getting a big push from Marvel).

Yes, she clears...

7 and 8 are the only serious opponents, but she has the versatility edge on them. She destroys the rest.

I'm not sure what level Jen is supposed to be at now.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, she clears...

7 and 8 are the only serious opponents, but she has the versatility edge on them. She destroys the rest.

Despite being a non herald level being, her mix of powers allows her to hang with a variety of opponents.

Also, I forgot to add some other ladies to the list :
1) Athena (Herc's sister)
2) Sif
3) Valkyrie
4) She-Thing (Sharon Ventura)

Again, I think she clears/gets the majority against all of them.

Originally posted by zopzop
Despite being a non herald level being, her mix of powers allows her to hang with a variety of opponents.

Also, I forgot to add some other ladies to the list :
1) Athena (Herc's sister)
2) Sif
3) Valkyrie
4) She-Thing (Sharon Ventura)

Again, I think she clears/gets the majority against all of them.

1) There is only one Athena, I think? Bad pick, imo, unless Marvel really watered the character down and reduced her to less than nothing. Athena's true power doesn't lie in brute force, anyway.

2) Sif gets stomped.

3) Val's tougher (can she go super berserk here?), but still loses more often than not.

4) Too limited in a forum match.

Titania would probably be too hard for her to put down (unless we focus on lows) and too strong for her to beat.

She Hulk slaughters her though.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1) There is only one Athena, I think? Bad pick, imo, unless Marvel really watered the character down and reduced her to less than nothing. Athena's true power doesn't lie in brute force, anyway.

Reason why I included her is she went up against the Eternal Thena (once in the late 70s and again right before the Chaos War event) both times it looked like Thena was clearly in control of the fight.

IMHO Thena more or less = non-Binary Carol.

Originally posted by carver9
Titania would probably be too hard for her to put down (unless we focus on lows) and too strong for her to beat.

She Hulk slaughters her though.
What is Titania's average? She's around She-Hulk and Thundra level no?

Originally posted by zopzop
Reason why I included her is she went up against the Eternal Thena (once in the late 70s and again right before the Chaos War event) both times it looked like Thena was clearly in control of the fight.

IMHO Thena more or less = non-Binary Carol.

Ah, I see.

As always, gods are used as a toilet paper.

Originally posted by carver9
She Hulk slaughters her though.

This is the moment you say Hulk is Hulk...?

Jen can't fly, has no ranged attacks (especially in this forum setting) and Carol should be more than capable of absorbing her gamma energy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah, I see.

As always, gods are used as a toilet paper.
I surprised you don't remember the fight before Chaos War. It was Athena and Hercules vs Thena and Ikaris.



Carol isn't allowed to use any energy absorption powers. Just her pre-Binary stuff.

Originally posted by zopzop
Reason why I included her is she went up against the Eternal Thena (once in the late 70s and again right before the Chaos War event) both times it looked like Thena was clearly in control of the fight.

IMHO Thena more or less = non-Binary Carol.


What is Titania's average? She's around She-Hulk and Thundra level no?

Yes, she is around She Hulk level but I dont think she can ramp it up like She Hulk can. She Hulk have some beastly showings though like her fight against Drax (he even admits she is stronger), Thor, Ironman, etc... her fts are more solid. Carol is doing good but not She Hulk good and I would still give Ti the edge.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah, I see.

As always, gods are used as a toilet paper.



This is the moment you say Hulk is Hulk...?

Jen can't fly, has no ranged attacks (especially in this forum setting) and Carol should be more than capable of absorbing her gamma energy.

Jen doesnt have to fly to win this she would withstand all of those range attacks from Carol. Scans of her absorbing people powers. Especially a physical brawler.

Originally posted by carver9
Jen doesnt have to fly to win this she would withstand all of those range attacks from Carol. Scans of her absorbing people powers. Especially a physical brawler.

Scans of you ever reading a comic in your life?

New Avengers, vs. Count Nefaria. She KTFO'd him with her energy absorption gimmick.

Originally posted by zopzop
I surprised you don't remember the fight before Chaos War. It was Athena and Hercules vs Thena and Ikaris.

I tried to stay away from that event and from Pak in general.

I remember Athena being a supporting character more than anything else, tbh.

Originally posted by zopzop
Carol isn't allowed to use any energy absorption powers. Just her pre-Binary stuff.

Well, that limits her quite a bit.

Current Jen looks, acts and even calls herself the Hulk (not to mention that her own comic had that title), so I guess the sacred rule of carver may work this time... -_-

This is the moment you should yell that you meant classic Shulkie.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Scans of you ever reading a comic in your life?

New Avengers, vs. Count Nefaria. She KTFO'd him with her energy absorption gimmick.

I'm not at that super geek mode yet where I read every single comic that comes out. You do know there are sites that public free comics every Wednesday, right?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not at that super geek mode yet where I read every single comic that comes out. You do know there are sites that public free comics every Wednesday, right?

Who doesn't...?

Whole KMC needed to unite in order to teach you how to google and download that stuff, carver.

I doubt Jen can just stand there and tank those blasts forever... her durability has been very suspect in the past.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I tried to stay away from that event and from Pak in general.

I remember Athena being a supporting character more than anything else, tbh.
It was a nice all out fight and Thena DEFINITELY had the upper hand. Cho had to step in and save Athena.

Ikaris and Hercules were dicking around but Ikaris took a sucker punch from Hercules and wasn't even KOed.



That's why I purposely left out that ability in my OP and chose opponents where this ability wouldn't come into play.

Originally posted by zopzop

It was a nice all out fight and Thena DEFINITELY had the upper hand. Cho had to step in and save Athena.

Ikaris and Hercules were dicking around but Ikaris took a sucker punch from Hercules and wasn't even KOed.

Incredible Hercules run?

Originally posted by zopzop
That's why I purposely left out that ability in my OP and chose opponents where this ability wouldn't come into play.

Yes, good choice... but Jen is a wildcard, Marvel has no idea wtf they're doing with her these days. Aside from the general idea of making a woman being perfectly capable of being a man at the same time, of course.

I can see Cargill giving Marvel a fight.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Incredible Hercules run?
Incredible Hercules 116.




TBH, I'm fine with non-Binary Carol losing to She-Hulk. You can't win them all

You made for a better thread.

Originally posted by zopzop

Incredible Hercules 116.

Thanks

Originally posted by zopzop

TBH, I'm fine with non-Binary Carol losing to She-Hulk. You can't win them all

Hulk, not She-Hulk. That's what Jen calls herself. The name of her book, too. Sigh.

Stops at Jen...she could lose to Titania depending on the version but she def loses to Jen