Red Hood Vs Bullseye

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Zack M
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MaZeRaIII
Jason.

Vanguard
Jason

Sin I AM
Lester

MrMind
depends on the location
how far are they apart
what gears they bring?

This fight really can go either way

leonidas

Supermutant
both of these characters are over the place, tough fight to gauge

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Supermutant
both of these characters are over the place, tough fight to gauge

Not really

Supermutant
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not really

Do elaborate

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Supermutant
Do elaborate

You said both are all over the place. That's not accurate. Lester is about as consistent as MAs get. Same with Todd only difference is his gear

Supermutant
Originally posted by Sin I AM
You said both are all over the place. That's not accurate. Lester is about as consistent as MAs get. Same with Todd only difference is his gear

Lester can go from stalemating both Elektra and Daredevil to being own in one shot by Taskmaster. I think you need to re-educate yourself on what consistent means.
Plus I was referring more to their feats although Bullseye is anything but consistent as pure MA lol. Also with Todd some of his previous gear allows him to hurt Krpytonians or his all-caste training that allowed him to one shot Lady Shiva. He currently definitely not using alien tech. Does he still remembers his all-caste training, or is that even a part of his current history? Many of these type factors determines who I would pick between these two. Have Bullseye metal lace skeleton been referred to recently and/or the healing factor it was suppose to provide?

lol at these two especially being consistent at anything besides being consistently inconsistent.

Deadline
Originally posted by Supermutant
Lester can go from stalemating both Elektra and Daredevil to being own in one shot by Taskmaster. I think you need to re-educate yourself on what consistent means.
Plus I was referring more to their feats although Bullseye is anything but consistent as pure MA lol. Also with Todd some of his previous gear allows him to hurt Krpytonians or his all-caste training that allowed him to one shot Lady Shiva. He currently definitely not using alien tech. Does he still remembers his all-caste training, or is that even a part of his current history? Many of these type factors determines who I would pick between these two. Have Bullseye metal lace skeleton been referred to recently and/or the healing factor it was suppose to provide?

lol at these two especially being consistent at anything besides being consistently inconsistent.

I think I might agree he seems to have problems beating Punisher in h2h and seems to do worse against him than Daredevil, he also got dominated by Crossbones in h2h and only got away with a trick shot.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Supermutant
Lester can go from stalemating both Elektra and Daredevil to being own in one shot by Taskmaster. I think you need to re-educate yourself on what consistent means.
Plus I was referring more to their feats although Bullseye is anything but consistent as pure MA lol. Also with Todd some of his previous gear allows him to hurt Krpytonians or his all-caste training that allowed him to one shot Lady Shiva. He currently definitely not using alien tech. Does he still remembers his all-caste training, or is that even a part of his current history? Many of these type factors determines who I would pick between these two. Have Bullseye metal lace skeleton been referred to recently and/or the healing factor it was suppose to provide?

lol at these two especially being consistent at anything besides being consistently inconsistent.

He's easily beaten Castle he just tends to toy with him, due to their history. Same thing that happens with his triangle with Elektra and DD. He's sadistic so he likes the back and forth. As far as Taskmater that's the same guy who was stalemating 2 Caps.

Take away plot and gear and these two are pretty consistent in MA.

Deadline
Originally posted by Sin I AM
He's easily beaten Castle he just tends to toy with him, due to their history. Same thing that happens with his triangle with Elektra and DD. He's sadistic so he likes the back and forth.

He only beat Castle easily the first time they met and clearly wasn't expecting somebody to be that good.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

As far as Taskmater that's the same guy who was stalemating 2 Caps.


Nah that's not what really happened I don't think. He did one move that got both of them then Bucky left then Cap fought him 1 on 1.

Originally posted by Sin I AM


Take away plot and gear and these two are pretty consistent in MA.

Mmm dunno about that...well in Bullseye vase anyway.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Sin I AM
He's easily beaten Castle he just tends to toy with him, due to their history. Same thing that happens with his triangle with Elektra and DD. He's sadistic so he likes the back and forth. As far as Taskmater that's the same guy who was stalemating 2 Caps.

Take away plot and gear and these two are pretty consistent in MA.

You just gave reasons why Bullseye is inconsistent. I'm not saying losing to Taskmaster shows inconsistency. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.

Bullseye had an evenish match with Cap in one comic, then gets destroyed by D- lister American Eagle in another one.

Then the issues of his adamantium lace bones and healing factor. Does he even have them still?

And Red Hood can go from beating down A + MMAers like Batman and Shiva, to getting beat down by them like what Bruce recently did to him.

Zelax
Red Hood.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency. Bullseye has extensively studied both Elektra and Daredevil, and thus is more adept to fighting them:
https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40261373_Daredevil.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40261374_Elektra.jpg

Supermutant

DarkSaint85
I think Phildo is trying to say Bullseye isn't inconsistent, he's just crap, when his greatest combat feats against named opponents is due to extensive prep, which he doesn't have here.

Just like Lex would do terribly against Thor in a no prep scenario, yet gives Superman issues.

Supermutant
Stating that he is crap instead of inconsistent is just semantics, as he has decent enough feats outside of DD/Elektra. Which goes back to this point the heroes have also studied their main rogue gallery rather directly or indirectly with some many encounters between them. So Bullseye have studied DD/Elektra, but DD/Elektra knows what Lester like to do and his combat habits as well case in point:

https://imgur.com/JeQo0ok
https://imgur.com/eavF5E5
https://imgur.com/8jidXt9
https://imgur.com/pg2oPlw
https://imgur.com/zaiSfFq
https://imgur.com/unfk2Nk

So the very "consistent" mmaer Bullseye who has specifically studied DD down through the years, still can't manage to get one hit in h2h.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Supermutant
no shit sherlock. Taskmaster has studied Cap, Bane has studied Batman. Arch rivals or main rogue gallery studying their opponent who they face constantly isn't new. Congrats you pass comics 101. You used some of Bullseye's good performances against Daredevil/Elektra, in contrast to Taskmaster, to prove that he is inconsistent.

Twice:
Originally posted by Supermutant
Lester can go from stalemating both Elektra and Daredevil to being own in one shot by Taskmaster. I think you need to re-educate yourself on what consistent means. Originally posted by Supermutant
You just gave reasons why Bullseye is inconsistent. I'm not saying losing to Taskmaster shows inconsistency. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.

What you missed is that Bullseye obsessively and specifically studies Elektra and Daredevil:

...which shows that his showings against them compared to Taskmaster is not a matter of 'blank state' inconsistency, but of him being specialized in fighting Daredevil/Elektra.

Whether or not Bullseye is inconsistent is another matter entirely, but your argument is so bad, that Sin knows more than you.

I mean, if you really want to show inconsistency, you could have shown Bullseye losing to Punisher straight up:

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266350_Punisher001-19.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266351_Punisher001-20.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266352_Punisher001-21.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266354_Punisher001-22.jpg

And then in another fight, he inconsistently:

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266357_VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-014.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266358_VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-015.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266359_VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-016.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266360_VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-017.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266361_VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-018.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40266362_VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-019.jpg

....uh, also loses to Punisher.

Wew.

Stoic
What happened to using them at their best? And why does losing to the Punisher suddenly become a low showing? It's not as if the Red Hood is this unbeatable opponent made out of Element X, and possesing the speed, strength, skill of the best, strongest, and fastest characters ever imagined.

Besides isn't Lester far more durable than Jay?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Supermutant
You just gave reasons why Bullseye is inconsistent. I'm not saying losing to Taskmaster shows inconsistency. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.

Bullseye had an evenish match with Cap in one comic, then gets destroyed by D- lister American Eagle in another one.

Then the issues of his adamantium lace bones and healing factor. Does he even have them still?

And Red Hood can go from beating down A + MMAers like Batman and Shiva, to getting beat down by them like what Bruce recently did to him.

Youre kinda lowballing both American Eagle and Taskmaster...they really are that good.

StiltmanFTW
To be fair now, Frank is better than most people think.

He never was an angry dude with a gun - he's a one man army.

Supermutant

Supermutant
or either the Punisher vs Bullseye 5 issue limited series where Bullseye had the drop on him but instead of shooting him in the head, he threw a non lethal paper airplane at his skull. so lets see

Supermutant
Its really annoying trying to quote Phil and he probably set it up that way, so people would just give up instead of pointing out his many errors and misrepresentations. Speaking of which:

Phil last set of scans came from the Punisher vs Bullseye marvel knights series like I previously thought. While Punisher certainly got the better of Lester in h2h, Lester had multiple opportunities to end him but sake of plot and all that typical stuff between heroes and villains. It was by no means a low showing and much better than some other showing against Frank.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269313_RCO001_1463034447.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269329_RCO020_1463034447.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269331_RCO021_1463034447.jpg

Their encounter really starts when Bullseye gets the drop on Punisher but instead of putting a bullet through his skull, he just hurts him with a paper airplane. Pretty funny stuff. Bullseye also blows up Punisher weapons house but of course Punisher survives.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269333_RCO022_1463034447.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269336_RCO024_1463034447.jpg

BE again locates Pun and blows up the shed he is in with a rocket launcher. Then typically villain gets distracted doesn't make sure the hero is dead stuff.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269314_RCO010_1463034579.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269315_RCO011_w_1463034579.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269316_RCO012_1463034579.jpg

Supermutant
Next looks like Punisher is going to sneak up on BE, but at the very last second BE stabs him in the shoulder. H2h engage they break each other noses (BE one of the greatest marksman decides to throw his gun instead of you know fire it). More or less even fight until BE goes for a face stomp, and Pun counters by throwing him on the ground and smashing his face into the concrete. Kids interfere allowing BE to escape.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269318_RCO013_w_1463034579.jpghttps://s7d8.turboimg.net/t/40269352_VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-014.jpghttps://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269321_RCO015_1463034579.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269323_RCO016_1463034579.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269325_RCO017_1463034579.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269327_RCO018_1463034579.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269328_RCO019_1463034579.jpg

Deadline
Originally posted by Supermutant
Again you come into this thread stating obvious things. Of course Bullseye has studied Matt and Elektra doesn't make his ability to stalemate them at times any less impressive. But then like I have showed DD (and Elektra) can dominate him in h2h, which goes back to his inconsistency. This isn't anything too hard to comprehend well maybe for you.


Hate to say this but that doesn't help your argument if Bullseye has studied DD/Elektra and they still dominate him that further proves Phils point that BE is crap in h2h.


Originally posted by Supermutant

I mean thanks for the punisher scans which further demonstrates my point. Sometimes Bullseye can give Punisher a great fight other times not so much.

Yea that does prove your point. However to really prove your point give examples outside of DD/EE. I Will say this though sometimes people get BE's throwing ability mixed up with h2h. They're not the same thing and when you say h2h skills you need to clarify what you mean. BE's throwing ability is like a super power his h2h skills are not. So when you say h2h do you mean h2h or do you mean a mix of both? So in terms of pure h2h I gotta say he's not that impressive but characters seem to rarely just engage in pure h2h anyway. Not sure if I'm making a confusing point.


Originally posted by Supermutant

Plus IIRC those scans comes from the Punisher Max series which of course is not mainstream 616 canon. But they do my argument much good.

I think it was Marvel Knight and that's canon.

If anyone's inconsitent in h2h it's the Punisher. He goes from holding his own against Alyosha Kravinoff and DD to getting beaten up by 3 prison guards because he's thirsty. facepalm Just read some Chuck Dixon or Mike Baron Punisher......

Supermutant
Final encounter again BE gets the drop on Pun. He actually out-prep him by using hostages. Somehow BE shoots Punisher in the back three different times and not one of them is fatal, lol. In between killing others, BE manages to paralyze Pun with a botox needle. Pun eventual gets up and fires into location of BE, but BE escapes. Huge twist, turns out BE was using Pun the whole time to take out an entire crime family. So BE collects on his big payday.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269317_RCO013_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269319_RCO014_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269322_RCO015_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269324_RCO016_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269326_RCO017_w_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269330_RCO020_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269332_RCO021_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269334_RCO022_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269335_RCO023_1463034654.jpg

Phil quote



Now ask yourself between Phi and myself who actually read and re-read the comics and who just look at respect threads coming in here stating obvious things.

I mean I could go through each encounter between DD + Elektra vs BE. Apparently Phil believes that BE have only face them simultaneously one time. lol

For those who may not know Bane actually stalked Batman for months, learning his secret identity, watching Bruce fight his rogue gallery much of whom Bane let loose. Before he went into Wayne manor and broke him. You know just in case people didn't know that. Apparently who should state obvious things before you post. And even better the heroes can have detail files on what the villains can do, and routinely train to beat them, but its a negative for the villains to train to fight the heroes. What a moron.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Deadline
Hate to say this but that doesn't help your argument if Bullseye has studied DD/Elektra and they still dominate him that further proves Phils point that BE is crap in h2h.

The studied thing goes both ways. Where did I state that Bullseye is great h2h? Thing is this isn't just a h2h fight against Jason Todd. If it was I would give him the nod.

Deadline
Originally posted by Supermutant
Final encounter again BE gets the drop on Pun. He actually out-prep him by using hostages. Somehow BE shoots Punisher in the back three different times and not one of them is fatal, lol. In between killing others, BE manages to paralyze Pun with a botox needle. Pun eventual gets up and fires into location of BE, but BE escapes. Huge twist, turns out BE was using Pun the whole time to take out an entire crime family. So BE collects on his big payday.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269317_RCO013_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269319_RCO014_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269322_RCO015_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269324_RCO016_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269326_RCO017_w_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269330_RCO020_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269332_RCO021_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269334_RCO022_1463034654.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/40269335_RCO023_1463034654.jpg

Phil quote



Now ask yourself between Phi and myself who actually read and re-read the comics and who just look at respect threads coming in here stating obvious things.

I mean I could go through each encounter between DD + Elektra vs BE. Apparently Phil believes that BE have only face them simultaneously one time. lol

For those who may not know Bane actually stalked Batman for months, learning his secret identity, watching Bruce fight his rogue gallery much of whom Bane let loose. Before he went into Wayne manor and broke him. You know just in case people didn't know that. Apparently who should state obvious things before you post. And even better the heroes can have detail files on what the villains can do, and routinely train to beat them, but its a negative for the villains to train to fight the heroes. What a moron.

I could also add that I saw a scan of spiderman saying that heroes study other heroes when they meet each other because they might have to fight them.

I gotta say though the BE has studied people argument though I think is kinda weak because that sort of thing seems to happen a lot and writers sometimes remember it or forget it.

Deadline
Originally posted by Supermutant
The studied thing goes both ways. Where did I state that Bullseye is great h2h? Thing is this isn't just a h2h fight against Jason Todd. If it was I would probably lean towards him.

You didn't say he was crap either. Anyway guess I'm trying to play devils advocate. Bottomline the studied thing is a bit like the experience in h2h argument, sometimes it matters sometimes it doesn't. It depends.

Supermutant
Of course the studied thing is weak. Its a terrible argument b/c name one arch rivals or main rogue gallery with a brain that hasn't studied their main opponent or opponents. Its not like BE is designing sonic weapons or tech to defeat DD. He's just countering moves or trying to use projectiles. maybe he takes hostages or something but in an actual fight he just fighting based on knowledge he should have anyway because of all their many encounters.

By the way who do you think know more about how Batman thinks, reacts, his abilities-- the Joker or Nightwing?

Deadline
Originally posted by Supermutant
Of course the studied thing is weak. Its a terrible argument b/c name one arch rivals or main rogue gallery with a brain that hasn't studied their main opponent or opponents. Its not like BE is designing sonic weapons or tech to defeat DD. He's just countering moves or trying to use projectiles. maybe he takes hostages or something but in an actual fight he just fighting based on knowledge he should have anyway because of all their many encounters.



It could certainly be argued that he could apply that knowledge to other fighters as well.


Originally posted by Supermutant


By the way who do you think know more about how Batman thinks, reacts, his abilities-- the Joker or Nightwing?

Dam that's a pretty good question. I'd say that The Joker actually might know more about how Batman thinks but Nightwing knows more about his physical abilities, training etc. Have a feeling this question was supposed to be rhetorical.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Deadline
You didn't say he was crap either. Anyway guess I'm trying to play devils advocate. Bottomline the studied thing is a bit like the experience in h2h argument, sometimes it matters sometimes it doesn't. It depends.

like I stated before that just semantics. He's crap b/c he's inconsistent. He's inconsistent b/c he's crap. He's inconsistent crap. Don't really makes a different. But BE certainly isn't crap with a gun in his hand in a forum setting where Jason's hood is the only thing "protecting" his skull and not the bullet proof helmet like it was previously.

Deadline
Oh I just noticed that this scan is from BE studying her much later in her career.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40261374/Elektra.jpg.html

So what about the fights he had before that?

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40261373/Daredevil.jpg.html

I think DD and Bullseye fought before that as well. That looks like early 80s.

Sin I AM
Keep seeing Dlisters being brought up when it's not relevant

Deadline
^ I could be wrong but think the point might have gone over your head.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Deadline
^ I could be wrong but think the point might have gone over your head.

No, it's just an inaccurate statement. American Eagle superhuman stats were up-played, plus BE had to pay for what he did to Jack Flag. Then the whole term is derogatory. Batroc is considered a "d-lister" until the playing field is equalized like in the raft and people steer clear of him.

Im just saying that without gear, prep and tools those two are pretty consistent imo.

Supermutant
You are just making reasons to explain his inconsistency. But going back to Punisher whose shows this remarkably well, Bullseye performed best against him the very first time they met in Daniel Way's Bullseye Greatest Hits #3. And this was before Lester even became Bullseye, he pretty easily countered everything Frank tried to do. And would have put a knife thru his chest if not for the Frank's chest protection.

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270069_RCO013_1467606719.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270070_RCO014_1467606719.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270071_RCO015_w_1467606719.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270072_RCO016_1467606719.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270073_RCO017_1467606719.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270074_RCO018_1467606719.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270075_RCO019_w_1467606719.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/40270076_RCO020_1467606719.jpg

A lot of Bullseye better feats comes early on like when he easily defeated and captured Black Widow. Bullseye would be extremely fortunate to defeat her now, it certainly wouldn't be as easy as before. Bullseye was getting worked by Americop, got shot in the back of the leg and easily captured with an electrified net before Penance stepped in. What evidence Sin, do you have of him being a consistent elite fighter? It seems I'm the one providing most of the info here.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Supermutant
Again you come into this thread stating obvious things. Of course Bullseye has studied Matt and Elektra doesn't make his ability to stalemate them at times any less impressive. But then like I have showed DD (and Elektra) can dominate him in h2h, which goes back to his inconsistency. This isn't anything too hard to comprehend well maybe for you. Your argument was that he has better performances against Daredevil/Elektra, than he has against Taskmaster. You said this twice. I already quoted you. That is the part I addressed.

AGAIN:
Originally posted by Supermutant
Lester can go from stalemating both Elektra and Daredevil to being own in one shot by Taskmaster. I think you need to re-educate yourself on what consistent means. Originally posted by Supermutant
You just gave reasons why Bullseye is inconsistent. I'm not saying losing to Taskmaster shows inconsistency. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.
I, who actually read the comics, explained to you, who does not, why that is - because Bullseye literally has spent extensive, obsessive amount of time studying them in particular, so he's better equipped to take them, contrary to Taskmaster. I never said anything about Bullseye's inconsistency, in general - which is another point entirely.

How could this possibly be hard to understand, even for a two digit IQ like you?

I just pointed out that, even if your position for Bullseye being inconsistent would be true, the actual arguments you're using are, as suited for you, dumb as shit.

Is the 'Mutant' part of your username the extra chromosome?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Down_syndrome_lg.jpg/310px-Down_syndrome_lg.jpg

SuperChromosome, you shall be called from now on.


Originally posted by Supermutant
For those who may not know Bane actually stalked Batman for months, learning his secret identity, watching Bruce fight his rogue gallery much of whom Bane let loose. Before he went into Wayne manor and broke him. You know just in case people didn't know that. Apparently who should state obvious things before you post. And even better the heroes can have detail files on what the villains can do, and routinely train to beat them, but its a negative for the villains to train to fight the heroes. What a moron.

Holy

Shit...

The point isn't that Bullseye is the only hero that studies their villains, the point is that you can't use his performance against Daredevil/Elektra, when he specifically spends extended periods of time studying how to fight them, and contrast it against Taskmaster, against who he does not, as inconsistency.

Bullseye has studied Elektra so well, that she literally has to forget her entire training in order to gain the upper hand on him, as he knows her every move:

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270158_SuperChromosome3.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270159_SuperChromosome4.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270160_SuperChromosome5.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270161_SuperChromosome6.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270162_SuperChromosome7.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270163_SuperChromosome8.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270164_SuperChromosome9.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t/40270165_SuperChromosome10.jpg

You're trying so hard to deflect how dumb your argument was, how bad your lack of knowledge is, and how terribly you got caught in another one of your dumbscapades, that it's pathetic, Chromy.


Originally posted by Supermutant
I mean thanks for the punisher scans which further demonstrates my point. Sometimes Bullseye can give Punisher a great fight other times not so much. You mean Bullseye losing twice against Punisher in close quarters, shows inconsistency in his performances against Punisher, SuperChromy?

Why, because the second one lasted longer? Oh shit, he lasted 5 pages, instead of 3, my lord, the inconsistency!!!
I'll give you a hint as to why.

In

3

2

1

Hint:
Bullseye stabs Punisher in the second fight right in the arm, with a weapon he didn't use in the first, forcing Punisher to fight him with a stabbed arm :
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40266357/VFX-PunishvervsBullseye4-014.jpg.html

Oh shit...different weapons have..

Different outcomes?!

https://cdn.rifton.com/-/media/images/rifton/blog/blog-images/2013/down-syndrome-art.jpg

You then double-down on your retardation, and literally descend into chaos, and show Bullseye shooting him with rocket launchers , out-prepping him and generally nothing relevant to a straight up fight.

And this shows that, uh....he's...inconsistent against Punisher in a fight....??!? Do you mean to say "Bullseye is inconsistent in what weapons he has and uses?" Or did you, between posts, furiously try and read the issues for the first time, and you wanted to prove it?

Are you certifiably retarded?

And I mean that in the literal sense.

Do you have a certificate from the doctor?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Supermutant
he probably set it up that way

No.

Raz messed the forum up big time with the server move circa 2015. It's not Phil's fault, never was.

DarkSaint85
All I know is, Phil now has an album dedicated to Robert Downey Juniors.

leonidas
Originally posted by Supermutant
Its really annoying trying to quote Phil and he probably set it up that way

bwhahahah!! phil would be a fukkin genius if he'd done it on purpose! maybe i'll look for some special character.... mmm

sorry to interrupt, now carry on.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Sin I AM
No, it's just an inaccurate statement. American Eagle superhuman stats were up-played, plus BE had to pay for what he did to Jack Flag. Then the whole term is derogatory. Batroc is considered a "d-lister" until the playing field is equalized like in the raft and people steer clear of him.

Im just saying that without gear, prep and tools those two are pretty consistent imo.

Plus, Eagle cheated in that fight... and it doesn't help how Lester got shocked by that Thunderbolts tech in his neck...

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by leonidas
bwhahahah!! phil would be a fukkin genius if he'd done it on purpose! maybe i'll look for some special character.... mmm

sorry to interrupt, now carry on.

You're a special character.

One Big Mob
Brock Lester.

Also impressive how civil this thread has been. The Darkside nexus of KMC

leonidas
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You're a special character.

love

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by One Big Mob

Also impressive how civil this thread has been. The Darkside nexus of KMC
laughing out loud

Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Plus, Eagle cheated in that fight... and it doesn't help how Lester got shocked by that Thunderbolts tech in his neck... Bullseye fights generally depend what he has on hand to use. Once it gets into hand to hand, it's hard for him to take it.

Since I have it close, here's Crossbones plowing his sh*t in, but holding back at the end giving him the opportunity to run:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40270173_Bullseye33.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40270174_Bullseye34.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40270175_Bullseye35.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40270176_Bullseye36.jpg

Given the environment I have a hard time seeing him as effective as he can be in the comics with the projectiles, to keep it at a distance. But, depending on what you see his standard equipment, he might take it, before he gets plowed.

Supermutant
Phil


Moron I mentioned that BE in the past has been able to stalemate both Elektra and DD at the same time. Not that he can do that all the time or even that he is consistently shown to be at the level. Wow you are such as idiot. That's why he inconsistent because he can give A listers like those or Cap or even spiderman when Lester had back up from Norman's goons a good fight. Or he can be humiliated like against Taskmaster or Clint. He either has really high feats or really low not a lot in between.

Again this isn't rocket science. B/c you came in here like a fool and quoted me like I'm against a general remedial comic principle ie. arch rival study each other, now you stuck in a perpetual motion of slapping yourself in the face.

https://i.imgur.com/LBHBpjn.jpg

You also should apologize to people with down syndrome as they are much more intelligent than you.

Then I used you "own" Punisher scans against you as its clear you had no idea where they came from or the context. Plus Lester had already performed extremely well against Frank in their first encounter. And then struggle mightly against him in other times or actually used him to accomplish his own agenda .

Personal insults aside which really doesn't bother me, it just shows how you got caught and embarrassed not having a clue outside of a elektra respect thread.

Gem from Phil


Maybe you don't know remedial comic principles. Maybe I gave you too much credit. The villain is generally going to lose, its not so much if they lose its how they lose. Your first set of scans show Punisher dominating Bullseye. Your second set which I provided the proper context for throughout that whole miniseries, shows Bullseye doing much better against Frank to the point where he had him dead to rights on at least three occasions but decided once to hit him with a paper airplane instead of a bullet, shot him non lethal in the back, and three paralyzed him briefly with a botox dart. Plus their was other instances as I didn't post the entire 5 issue series.

The main thing is that you believe there is no difference between villain getting stomp by opponent or villain accomplishing their goal in a decent fight against same opponent.

Not to mention my first prior post where Lester was dominating Punisher in their first meetings.

Only an idiot would think all those instance are the same.

The funny thing you keep going on about BE studying Elektra and DD like the latter two haven't studied him repeatedly over and over again. When Elektra came back from the dead one of the first things she did was trained to beat BE and not die by him again. You are a such a fool for continuing to challenge me, just wait until I am able to post the scans from my hard drive.

I already showed Daredevil knowing exactly where BE is going to shoot him before Lester even pulls the freaking trigger. And no this wasn't because of his radar sense but b/c he knows Lester combat tactics.

your Elektra scans comes Elektra #2 1996. you keep posting irrelevant scans like we don't know of the many encounter between Elektra and Bullseye. Including DD they have all studied each other, all knows each other tendencies and moves.

lol but please continue to embarrass yourself this is entertaining.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Supermutant
Phil


Moron I mentioned that BE in the past has been able to stalemate both Elektra and DD at the same time. Not that he can do that all the time or even that he is consistently shown to be at the level. http://www.hekint.org/images/All_journal_images/2015_Briefs/Cokic_DownSyndrome2.jpg

SuperDowney, where has anybody said otherwise? The contention is not that Bullseye has alternating performances against Daredevil and Elektra , but the fact that you used that, and compared it to Taskmaster , in order to show that he is inconsistent.

You used the worst argument possible, and now you're having a meltdown because I'm giving you a wedgie.

I legitimately have to find analogies for you to understand.

Imagine a MMA fight, where the opponents study the other's style for months on end. They know their strategies, how they duck, how they hit, how they counter - everything.

Now imagine fighting against somebody entirely new, because the opponent you've studied pulled back out of the fight 3 days before the bout and Dana White had to find a replacement.

If you do well in the first fight, but lose the second fight, it doesn't mean you're inconsistent. It means you prepared well for the first one, and went in blank state for the second.

How much of a shit-licking, flat-brained idiot do you have to be to not understand that?

Bullseye lost both physical fights against the Punisher, and won the range fight. How is that inconsistent, you troglodyte?

Deadline
Good grief Phil, go back and read his whole post properly. Stop picking the bits you like and ignoring relevant parts of his post.

Supermutant

StiltmanFTW
Range fight is all that matters when the starting distance is 0.5 km... in a featureless environment, to boot.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Plus, Eagle cheated in that fight... and it doesn't help how Lester got shocked by that Thunderbolts tech in his neck...

Cheated? How

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cheated? How

He said first shot was free and Lester actually bought it laughing out loud

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He said first shot was free and Lester actually bought it laughing out loud

Oh yea lol...BE did get his free shot when AEs back was turned though . what was more impressive is Steel Spider. I have a feeling he would've done better if not for being out numbered

Supermutant
Speaking of spiders, was Black Tarantula depowered when Bullseye beat him in prison? Seems like I remember he was but its been a while since I read that issue. Either way that is a good feat for Lester b/c he dominated him. Of course it would be much more impressive if BT was at his Puny Peter Parker busting levels.

Philosophía
https://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/uploads/f2/news/img/2014125_11575.jpg

~SuperChromy, circa 2001

SuperChromy, you don't seem to understand what the topic is about, or you're purposely lying, hoping to deflect from your inaptitude . My contention with you was not that Bullseye has varying performances against Elektra/Daredevil , not that Bullseye is the only villain to have knowledge of his opponent - not that Elektra/Daredevil don't also have knowledge of him, too - all of these are red herrings, that I never argued otherwise - it was that you used an invalid, and retarded argument, this one:

Originally posted by Supermutant
. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.
Originally posted by Supermutant
Lester can go from stalemating both Elektra and Daredevil to being own in one shot by Taskmaster. I think you need to re-educate yourself on what consistent means.

I already explained to you that it does not prove inconsistency - as Bullseye is much knowledgeable in how to fight them, than he is in fighting Taskmaster. The fact that you used Bullseye not even being aware that he is in a 'fight' with Taskmaster and getting hit https://i.imgur.com/zWW2RJRh.jpg] is even more hilarious as you further trash your initial point.

I then posted the Punisher scans to mock you, because you are stupid and easily riled up. You went on another meltdown, where you showed Bullseye taking down Punisher while at long range, in order to try to prove that Bullseye is inconsistent against Frank, because Punisher has taken down Bullseye in close range.

Now, I'm not above pulling out the vasline one more time and plowing that ass until the echo lasts for days, even though you are retarded. I don't discriminate.

But you do realize that Bullseye being shown as better at range, while Punisher being shown as better in close quarters is not inconsistent, no?

Do you understand that a Sniper consistently killing people at long range, then getting taken down hand to hand, does not prove that the Sniper is inconsistent?

Did you mother spit you out when she was on a cocaine bender?
How many times did you repeat the first grade?

I will debate you, in a battlezone, for both of these arguments, which are literally the only ones I contested:
1).
Originally posted by Supermutant
. I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.
2).
Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

These are quotes, from your own posts.

What say you, Chromy?

Deadline
Yes you're right about this..

]you showed Bullseye taking down Punisher while at long range, in order to try to prove that Bullseye is inconsistent against Frank, because Punisher has taken down Bullseye in close range. ]




but this is a retarded argument which we undertood 100 years ago and that Supermutant dealt with 100 years ago.

]Imagine a MMA fight, where the opponents study the other's style for months on end. They know their strategies, how they duck, how they hit, how they counter - everything.

Now imagine fighting against somebody entirely new, because the opponent you've studied pulled back out of the fight 3 days before the bout and Dana White had to find a replacement.

If you do well in the first fight, but lose the second fight, it doesn't mean you're inconsistent. It means you prepared well for the first one, and went in blank state for the second. ]



Maybe you should go back in the thread and read what he said.

Philosophía
Holy shit, are you the one SuperChromy got the extra chromosome from?

That analogy is pertaining to Elektra/Daredevil vs Bullseye vs Taskmaster vs Bullseye .

It has nothing to do with the Punisher.

If you can't follow what's being discussed, keep quiet and continue to brainlessly cheerlead, troll.

Or sock?

Also..

Supermutant's position is that Bullseye is inconsistent against he Punisher, when on the contrary, it's consistently shown that Frank has the better of him in close quarters, while Bullseye does at range:

You will be reported, for spamming/trolling if you continue.

Deadline
Good grief Phil


Quote Phil ]That analogy is pertaining to Elektra/Daredevil vs Bullseye vs Taskmaster vs Bullseye .

Again we know but here's the point he was making in more detail which went completely over your head. I'm going to try and break this down to you Phil. What you don't seem to get through your head is this......when Supermutant said that DD and Elektra have studied Bullseye as well he said it so that you could read and process the information, not just read it.

The problem is this, if you have studied an opponent and they have studied you that doesn't neccesarily give you the advantage it can cancels out your preparation. So even if you have studied your opponent it can be like going into a blank state. And even if you weren't going in with a blank state what happens after you lose? It's back to the drawing board the prep didn't work, your opponent knows your moves. Your opponent doesn't even need to neccesarily study you but fight you often to be able to predict what you're going to do next.


That is in response to this....


Phil]Imagine a MMA fight, where the opponents study the other's style for months on end. They know their strategies, how they duck, how they hit, how they counter - everything.

Now imagine fighting against somebody entirely new, because the opponent you've studied pulled back out of the fight 3 days before the bout and Dana White had to find a replacement.

If you do well in the first fight, but lose the second fight, it doesn't mean you're inconsistent. It means you prepared well for the first one, and went in blank state for the second. ]



Ok do you get it?


Quote PHil ]Supermutant's position is that Bullseye is inconsistent against he Punisher, when on the contrary, it's consistently shown that Frank has the better of him in close quarters, while Bullseye does at range:

Do you have such an attitude problem that even when I agree with you can't see it? What's your problem? Which is the point I'm making the scan that Supermutant used of BE owning Punisher was at long range, your argument was that Frank does better on close range. If Supermutant provided scans of punisher beating Bullseye in 2h at close range he'd have a point but he didn't. On this argument you are in the right but on another you are wrong.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Deadline
Do you have such an attitude problem that even when I agree with you can't see it? What's your problem? Which is the point I'm making the scan that Supermutant used of BE owning Punisher was at long range, your argument was that Frank does better on close range. If Supermutant provided scans of punisher beating Bullseye in 2h at close range he'd have a point but he didn't. On this argument you are in the right The fact that you understood this, when he didn't, is straight up hilarious. thumb up

Originally posted by Deadline
The problem is this, if you have studied an opponent and they have studied you that doesn't neccesarily give you the advantage it can cancels out your preparation. So even if you have studied your opponent it can be like going into a blank state. And even if you weren't going in with a blank state what happens after you lose? It's back to the drawing board the prep didn't work, your opponent knows your moves. Your opponent doesn't even need to neccesarily study you but fight you often to be able to predict what you're going to do next.
You misunderstand - the argument is that Bullseye's studying Elektra/Daredevil changes the whole style of fighting, when they do so against each other. He used Bullseye's fights against them, and Taskmaster's showing, to argue PointDexter is inconsistent - when it's comparing two different situations - one is a close quarters prep-battle, basically, in which they know each other's styles ridiculously good, and the other is a 'blank state' fight. The performance in the knowledge-prep one can't be compared to one in which that's not in play - since the style of fighting itself has been altered for the opponents in the first, and it has not in the second.

Thus, the mma comparison.

Furthermore, you've seen Supermutant, like an idiot, further shitting on his own argument, by showing that Taskmaster vs Bullseye was just Bullseye bantering him, and getting hit:
https://i.imgur.com/zWW2RJRh.jpg

This is not showing inconsistency, since the situations aren't comparable.

Deadline
No Phil we understand the point you're making we just don't agree with it. What we are saying is that the two situations are not neccessarily different and can be the same.

If a fighter has prepared for a fight but the other opponent has as well that can mess up your game plan because you think you have him because you know his moves but instead he counters them. So what then happens it becomes like being in a fight which you haven't prepared for. Which is why Supermutant posted this early on in the thread.

Originally posted by Supermutant
So Bullseye have studied DD/Elektra, but DD/Elektra knows what Lester like to do and his combat habits as well case in point:

https://imgur.com/JeQo0ok
https://imgur.com/eavF5E5
https://imgur.com/8jidXt9
https://imgur.com/pg2oPlw
https://imgur.com/zaiSfFq
https://imgur.com/unfk2Nk

So the very "consistent" mmaer Bullseye who has specifically studied DD down through the years, still can't manage to get one hit in h2h.


Now obvioulsy you can see him deflecting a bullet but it's fair to assume that DD was also able to predict Bullseyes h2h moves. So now Bullseye is in a situation where he's just fighting somebody without preparation

Don't really have a problem with the TM example. Also he pointed out that in the second fight BE was toying with Punisher and actually wanted to keep Punisher alive for his plans. Yeah BE can mess around with people but he does usually want to kill them, he defintely wanted to keep him allive. Now that doesn't mean he would have neccesarily won the fight or done better but it's a valid point.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Deadline
If a fighter has prepared for a fight but the other opponent has as well that can mess up your game plan because you think you have him because you know his moves but instead he counters them. So what then happens it becomes like being in a fight which you haven't prepared for. What the hell? That's not how this works. If they're both prepared for each other's moves, to the extent that we are able to, and one's prep is better than another's, it doesn't mean that it's a blank state, it means close quarters prep #2 >close quarters prep #1. They are constantly adapting, and preparing for each other. That's different than not specifically preparing to fight your opponent, and losing. This is quite simple to understand. To continue the MMA example, a fighter can lose even if he preps. That doesn't mean he has the same fight that he'd have had if he didn't know anything about his opponent. Because in the first case they have a specific fighting style prepared for their opponent while in the second they don't. It's...really simple to understand.

Furthermore, this is all irrelevant since the example used is Taskmaster suddenly hitting Bullseye as he was getting on his nerves.

https://i.imgur.com/zWW2RJRh.jpg
That's...not a fight.

We might as well say that Hal Jordan punching Batman shows that the latter is inconsistent:
https://imgur.com/a/suNw6ad

It's idiotic to continue this topic.
The point I disagree with are obvious. The battlezone invitation, for the specific points that are wrong, is above. So..you disagree. Ok. This has become circular. I don't care about "last words", as much as I care about not wasting my time.

Supermutant
lol this thread continues b/c philly lacks remedial comic book knowledge about this tier.

I will explain this to him as I would a first grader who is picking up a comic book for the first time. I will attempt to this do without insults but that's hard, b/c he is asinine and so embarrassingly wrong.

Bullseye vs Elektra 101 for dummies

They have fought four times. Bullseye killed her the first time by throwing a card, slicing her throat and finishing her off with her own sai. So as long as he used range projectile attacks and avoiding getting up close for long, he has the advantage.

Guess what that's the only time that Bullseye didn't play around with her and fought without obsessing over her.

His obsession actually works against him and is a detriment to him when fighting her. Because he doesn't just want to kill her again he wants to torture her slowly and painfully. He basically is playing with his food when he fights her ever since their first battle. In their 2nd fight the narration even states he is "playing with her." Also he wants to kill her the same way as before up close and personal, which is in part why he ends up losing. He hurts her just enough for it be non-fatal, and then she just reacts eventually koing him.

https://imgur.com/a/3HUjv

This is even clearer in their 3rd fight wear BE would rather throw a bullet at her, than shoot her with a gun. He doesn't want a quick fight he even states, "god I love watching you bleed." Then more typical villain monologue which allows Elektra the chance to recover enough and take him out with his own trick arrow. Similar position to how he killed how. By the way Elektra had just escaped being tortured at Hammer and being shot, and was also drugged from BE's arrow during the fight.

https://imgur.com/a/LciQz

Fourth fight isn't really that relevant as BE has become significantly stronger and faster by the Hand. Still Elektra takes a beating from him, but ultimately gets the victory. But not without a price as even a depowered BE kills a mark with a card similar to his first battle with Elektra.

https://imgur.com/a/P2Cdm

So it could be clearer to everybody except philly, that BE doesn't fight others the same way he fights Elektra. But that is too his detriment as he doesn't stay at range and prefers to torture her up close and personal.

But silly philly doesn't care about that. It's only about wins and loses with him. I'm not calling philly a fool, but only a fool ignores context and just looks at the pretty pictures.

Arch rivals/ arch enemies, main rogue gallery study/train for each other 101 for dummies.

Batman has a Bane combat training computer program in the Batcave.

https://i.imgur.com/ebuwUVgl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/CsqAvPml.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/0vFanC7l.jpg

Not calling silly philly and idiot, but only an idiot would go into a Batman vs Crossbones thread and proclaim, but but Bruce specifically trains to beat Bane. Therefore, his feats against Bane should be discounted, or are not impressive, or whatever implications silly philly has made in this thread.

Taskmaster has specifically trained for Captain America to the point that the US government hired him to trained a new Cap previous US Agent Walker.

https://i.imgur.com/TLxmUzrl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/30mtdrgl.jpg

Not calling silly philly a dummy, but only a dummy would go into a Taskmaster vs Nightwing thread and declare, but but but Tasky specifically train to beat and copy Cap. Thanks Cap Obvious. You know it would be extremely hard to think of arch rivals who haven't specifically trained/studied for their opponent, or know how they think/respond because they have had so many encounter. This is a large part of what comics are all about. You beat me, I learn from it and come back to beat you. Well everyone knows this but silly philly.

silly philly loves humiliation



I think silly philly at this point just lacks basic reading comprehension.

Often times villains suffer from "villain decay" especially compared to their rival heroes over time 101 for dummies.

Kingpin often referred to as classic Kingpin could dominate both daredevil and spiderman at the same time in his earlier days. In modern times one on one both have dominated him. Although very recently Kingpin has feats comparable to his classic levels. Taskmaster owning BE so effortlessly shows how he has fallen from his "glory days." His Frank Miller days where he was respected as a deadly killer and not someone you would want to mess with or even say his name. The Frank Miller Bullseye beat DD twice, killed Elektra, easily kidnapped Black Widow. That version of Bullseye would not be treated like fodder and disrespected in such a humble way by Tony Masters of all people.

You would know this stuff silly philly if you actually read the issues and no the proper context and story behind it. Instead of looking at some pretty pictures in a respect thread and quoting someone with far more knowledge than you on the subject.

Don't worry your class I mean remedial comic book principles and concepts for dummies will continue after the break.

Supermutant
Before I get back to educating you about streets, I find this amusing.

silly philly to deadline



lol You want to report him not because he is spamming or trolling, but because simply he disagrees with your weak and lame argument.

lmao by the way Deadline has disagreed with me in this very thread a couple of times. I didn't threaten to go run to a mod like a frighten child. But everyone can see your lack of understanding and embarrassing attempts to back track out of this humiliation.

Go get the mods let them see how your buffoonery has derailed this thread. Red Hood hasn't been mentioned for a couple of pages now. lol This is great, but according to silly philly, I'm the one having a meltdown. The only things I am having are a lot of laughs.

Supermutant
the gift that keeps on giving silly philly



of course BE is better at range and Pun is better at h2h. There you go with the water is wet, sun is bright, grass is green obvious statements again.

If you would actually look and read what is going on in their battles, you will be amazed at what you find.

In the first set of scans that you posted which comes from Punisher Vol. 3 #1, Lester got the first shot it, hitting Pun with the gun butt. Pun kicks him below the belt, and Lester gets a couple of more hits in. Then Pun gets a right hook in, and the fight is over. It only took Pun two hits to end it, really just a one-shot once he got over Lester's initial advantage.

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285362_be_vs_pun.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285363_be_vs_pun_2.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285364_be_vs_pun_3.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285365_be_vs_pun_4.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285366_be_vs_pun_5.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285367_be_vs_pun_6.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285368_be_vs_pun_7.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285369_be_vs_pun_8.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285370_be_vs_pun_9.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40285371_be_vs_pun_10.jpg

So in that issue Pun really takes BE out in one shot. In Punisher vs Bullseye by Daniel Way already shown in great detail, BE and Pun exchange a multitude of blows, breaking each other noses, and knocking each other down. Until Pun counters a foot stomp attempt by BE and takes control. If you can't see the differences between those two fights silly philly, there's no hope for you.

Bullseye performs way better in h2h in one than the other.

One Big Mob
You take a smokebreak there bud?

Philosophía
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You take a smokebreak there bud? You underestimated the time it takes to get out of the straightjacket. The extra chromosome ain't helping either.

Supermutant
10 image limit so let's continue.

silly philly continues to believe that the punisher vs bullseye fights are supporting his claims. lol He posted two fights like that's all they had. When they have had at least 4.



Just no trying to avoid being insulting but this is just plain dumb. The two fights that went H2h shows BE inconsistency in h2h. Sometimes being a very dangerous opponent other times getting basically one-shotted. This shouldn't be hard to understand. Plus their are other fights that demonstrate this, his fights against Deadpool comes to mind. Moreover one of the main reasons for his inconsistency is that writers have ignored or forgotten about his metal laced bones and healing factor.

You really are a moron if you believe I indicated in any way that BE winning in range and losing in close quarters combat was the basis of his inconsistency. lmao That's his whole career, his entire ability is about being the best sniper in the world or pretty close.

Anyway I already show him dominating Frank at range in Bullseye: Deadly Origin by Daniel Way. Below is BE in an armored suit with a huge machine gun and explosive launcher vs Pun which just twin pistols.

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285261_armored_BE_vs_pun.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285262_armored_BE_vs_pun2.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285263_armored_BE_vs_pun3.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285264_armored_BE_vs_pun4.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285265_armored_BE_vs_pun5.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285266_armored_BE_vs_pun6.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285267_armored_BE_vs_pun7.jpg

So to be perfectly clear for your limited reading comprehension. This fight along with the other range fight in the jungle shows BE's inconsistency even with ranged attacks. Its so bad that its actually an extremely funny comparison. BE can knock a grenade out of Pun's hand, and throw a knife center mass in his chest, but when he has a huge freaking automatic weapon at close range---he misses Frank over and over. Frank is even faster on the draw here. And that's the part of this battle that relevant here, Frank was able to out-draw, dodge, and even physically attack BE with a huge automatic gun and explosive launcher in an armor suit.

After humiliating here in this thread ( I hope this thread can become sticked), I will gladly further embarrass you whenever you want. I doubt you will accept your own challenge as my position which has been clear and the false position you assign to me are not at all the similar. lol

This has been extremely fun and I haven't really delve too deep into Daredevil vs Bullseye yet.

Maybe the most hilarious thing in this thread is silly philly bringing up my winning /my performances in BZs. I haven't even faced him in a BZ yet he is already but hurt about my previous one. laughing laughing out loud big grin

Supermutant
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You take a smokebreak there bud?

lol didn't know I had a time limit or a captive audience

plus stupid images problem--last part of them

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285268_armored_BE_vs_pun8.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285269_armored_BE_vs_pun9.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t/40285270_armored_BE_vs_pun10.jpg

Deadline
^ Yea I heard about that arc. I kinda thought it was funny that BE was engaging Frank in long range and h2h and thought he needed to use an armoured suit. As I was saying Punisher is more inconsistent than BE is.

Philosophía
So you accept the battlezone about your two statements?

Supermutant
Originally posted by Deadline
^ Yea I heard about that arc. I kinda thought it was funny that BE was engaging Frank in long range and h2h and thought he needed to use an armoured suit. As I was saying Punisher is more inconsistent than BE is.

so crazy BE performed way better with a toothpick and knife than in an armored exoskeleton with basically a cannon for a gun.

Taskmaster has him beat there though, he's near the top for most inconsistent. He has two-shotted the Cat, one-shotted Karnak, humiliated Agent Venom, stalemated briefly Cap and Cap Bucky, owning both Pun and Deadpool. On the other hand he has been two-shotted by Elektra, one-shotted by Black Panther, humiliated by Mr. X, lost bad to Deadpool b/c he couldn't copy his unpredictable moves.

Supermutant
philofshitia lastest cowpie:



You are not fooling anybody and your attempts to save face are obvious and laughable.

I gladly accept any battlezone about all my statements.

Your problem is that you created an argument with a strawman. But the strawman is you. So any other words you have been arguing with an idiot (yourself) this whole time. And then placing that (your) idiotic position onto someone else, namely me mostly and sometimes deadline.

As evidence by Phil's quote about my position which is clearly not my position.



No moron my position which have been proven repeatedly is that BE has been inconsistent against Pun in h2h. Offering him a challenge for while or being basically one-shotted on a different encounter. He also has been inconsistent against him in range as he performed much better with a toothpick, than an machine gun.

I will even quote it for you, wow you are such a fool.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Plus I was referring more to their feats although Bullseye is anything but consistent as pure MA lol... Many of these type factors determines who I would pick between these two. Have Bullseye metal lace skeleton been referred to recently and/or the healing factor it was suppose to provide?


This is the point that I am specifically challenging you on. But we can BZ on all our statements in this thread, until you can't handle anymore embarrassment. lol You really came apart in this thread.

Philosophía
I don't care about your mental breakdown. Please stop shouting and generally talking to yourself.

So, you accept. Perfect.

As I said, the statements I disagree with are these. I specifically, unequivocally quote your own posts, so that you can't cry that I'm putting words in your mouth.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

Is Monday-Wednesday ok with you?
Two posts should be enough for such a small topic?
Judges? Galan, Pr, Leo? The first two are disinterested in street, and Leo is top notch.

Supermutant
no hope for this guy



lol this is rich So between us in this thread, who has threaten to get a mod b/c another user disagreed with him and called him out on his crap?

yeah I have called you dumb and insulted your intelligence b/c even now you still lack reading comprehension. I even bolded my type to draw your attention so you could read and understand exactly what my position has always been. And all or my position not a part of it.

In this thread who between us has mentioned drugs, other family members, past bzs, etc, things that have nothing to do with this thread? lol

You really are becoming unhinged, this is great. And all of this started because you came in here stating the most obvious of comic book principles. And compounded that by quoting me for some strange reason. lmao Then when I called you out on it you double down and continue to humiliate yourself.

Its ok man, you will get over this and survive. Its alright that others know more than you about these characters and this tier. Just don't make this mistake again in the future or actually read about BE, Elektra, DD, Pun, instead of just copying and pasting from a respect thread.

And once again, I gladly accept any battlezone about all my statements.

Philosophía
Breathe, chromy. Breathe.

I repeat:
Those two quotes, from yourself. I disagree, and I will argue against them.
Is Monday-Wednesday ok with you?
Two posts should be enough for such a small topic?
Judges? Galan, Pr, Leo? The first two are disinterested in street, and Leo is top notch.

Supermutant
silly philly mental breakdown continues



I actually agree with the Breathe part, b/c I have been laughing so hard at you.

I repeat: I am more then happy to BZ all of my position.

The fact that you want to BZ a part and not the entire thing shows your lack of understanding because it all fits together. For instance I have showed the proper context and important parts of all four battles between Lester and Frank. So in the BZ all four battles will be discussed.

So once you agree to it, we can begin.

Philosophía
Your quote specifically refers to the 3 fights we talked about, as it's those performances specifically you called inconsistent.

I don't care about anything else you might add, that we haven't discussed.

Do you stand on those two quotes that you yourself said, or not?

I asked you multiple questions there, try to focus, and answer them all. I repeat, for the third time:
Is Monday-Wednesday ok with you?
Two posts should be enough for such a small topic?
Judges? Galan, Pr, Leo? The first two are disinterested in street, and Leo is top notch.

Deadline
Originally posted by Supermutant
so crazy BE performed way better with a toothpick and knife than in an armored exoskeleton with basically a cannon for a gun.

Taskmaster has him beat there though, he's near the top for most inconsistent. He has two-shotted the Cat, one-shotted Karnak, humiliated Agent Venom, stalemated briefly Cap and Cap Bucky, owning both Pun and Deadpool. On the other hand he has been two-shotted by Elektra, one-shotted by Black Panther, humiliated by Mr. X, lost bad to Deadpool b/c he couldn't copy his unpredictable moves.

Nope I'd still say that Puniisher is more inconsistent because he loses to canon fodder. Ever see TM get beaten by 3 or 5 guys? Or have have trouble with two?

Seriously though what makes this debate so stupid is that lots of characters study each other, that could pretty much end it. As it's been pointed out I don't remember Phil going into a Bane or Taskmaster thread saying that these characters study their opponents. Oh yeah Punisher pretty much stated that he studies anybody he might meet in combat.

EDIT: I don't trust leo for mod. According to leo Phil is unbiased..so yeah. Sry.

leonidas
yeah, i've enjoyed the hell out of reading this, but judging it...? it would have to be like, REALLY specific, and both would need crystal clear thesis statements in their openings. as a bz, this could get messy. lol

Deadline
Um hi leo.. *ahem* Sure you wanna mod this? Or I dunno...sit this one out?

Philosophía
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i've enjoyed the hell out of reading this, but judging it...? it would have to be like, REALLY specific, and both would need crystal clear thesis statements in their openings. as a bz, this could get messy. lol
It's simple.

I disagree with those two statements I quoted, as I have done the whole thread, and I will argue against them. If you go back, from my first post, to my last post in thread, those are the sole things I've been arguing about. The rest is just smoke mirrors.

leonidas
i mean i guess i could act as a judge if he wants to do it, but like i said, both of you would need to be really clear in what you're defending.

Philosophía
He's defending these statements:
Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency. Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

...and I'm disagreeing with them.

leonidas
well, like i said, i can try and judge it if he wants. this will be a mess though as those don't feel entirely black and white to me atm....

One Big Mob
Originally posted by leonidas
well, like i said, i can try and judge it if he wants. this will be a mess though as those don't feel entirely african american and Nazis to me atm.... Fixed you old non-PC canuck.

StiltmanFTW

Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was just a sucker punch, the Tasky thing.

And not some ultra-effective sucker punch... seeing how Lester is already up and pissed in the next panel (Moonstone and Gargan separate them):

http://i67.tinypic.com/5zn045.png Stilt, why couldn't you have shut up?


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Goddammit.

StiltmanFTW
sad

Me

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http://tinyurl.com/y49xhcz5

Philosophía
At least don't ruin the punisher part, too.

StiltmanFTW
http://tinyurl.com/y6ku9u9p

One Big Mob
That's not Will Smith. Who is that imposter?

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

Philosophía
The funniest part is, I thought I somehow missed a legitimate Taskmaster vs Bullseye fight, in which Pointdexter gets one-shotted - which is why I focused on Bullseye's knowledge of DD/Elektra, and not the BS/Taskmaster fight.

I didn't think he was dumb enough to use that scene as an argument.

The moment I saw that's what he did, well...the battlezone was obvious, just for the lulz.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Deadline
Nope I'd still say that Puniisher is more inconsistent because he loses to canon fodder. Ever see TM get beaten by 3 or 5 guys? Or have have trouble with two?

With canon fodder and lackeys probably since Tasky trains those type of guys, he certainly shouldn't be losing to them. With his ability Tasky should always be a tough fight, but his mindset sometimes and the way some writers used him, goes against that.

https://i.imgur.com/u0BSuU4l.png

Originally posted by Deadline
Seriously though what makes this debate so stupid is that lots of characters study each other, that could pretty much end it. As it's been pointed out I don't remember Phil going into a Bane or Taskmaster thread saying that these characters study their opponents. Oh yeah Punisher pretty much stated that he studies anybody he might meet in combat.

lol of course this is not really a debate. But that's what silly philly was implying with his first post in this thread. It was so easy to point out how stupid and weak that argument was. And ever since then silly philly has gone into mental meltdown mode trying someway to lessen his embarrassment.

Originally posted by Deadline
EDIT: I don't trust leo for mod. According to leo Phil is unbiased..so yeah. Sry.

leo is alright in small doses.

Philosophía
You're not getting off easy, chromy.

So, for the 4th time:
Is Monday-Wednesday ok with you?
Two posts?
Judges? Galan, Pr, Leo?

Point of contention, your own words:
Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency. Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

Maybe the 4th time asking is the charm.

Supermutant
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was just a sucker punch, the Tasky thing.

And not some ultra-effective sucker punch... seeing how Lester is already up and pissed in the next panel (Moonstone and Gargan separate them):

http://i67.tinypic.com/5zn045.png

wink This is so amusing that silly philly believes I who not only mentioned this wasn't a fight but even posted the scan, didn't know BE was koed or something like that. lol I already explain this like to a first grader. I guess I should have went to preschool level.

Philofshitia with more diarrhea:



https://i.imgur.com/tyxCYWCl.gif

this is why your humiliation continues, BE's knowledge of his arch rivals is common, obvious, and expected. There is and never had been anything to focus on moron.

Even worst you missed it and it continues to go over your head how such a disrespectful encounter would have never happen to Miller's BE.

You really are losing it. You really think I haven't read the entire issue where their confrontation took place. Here's a hint dummy, its the famous Ironfist destroys a helicarrier issue from New Avengers.

Philosophía
You're the guy yelling from over the barbed wire fence.

Quit stalling.

Do I really need to ask for the 5th time?

leonidas
Originally posted by Deadline
EDIT: I don't trust leo for mod. According to leo Phil is unbiased..so yeah. Sry.

laughing out loud

phil IS unbiased when he isn't trolling whiny 4 year olds throwing tantrums because they don't get their way. not that he needs me to defend him. and feel free to look through the....dozens? of matches i've judged, hosted or taken part in through the years to find a time when i showed bias in a match i was involved in. can't wait to see it. nice job appealing to mutant btw. pretty sure he's a big boy though, more than capable of making his own decisions without cheerleader interference.

Originally posted by Supermutant
leo is alright in small doses.

high praise indeed.... thumb up

Supermutant

Supermutant
Originally posted by leonidas
high praise indeed.... thumb up

big grin I can't be too chummy with the judges now. I want this easy victory to be beyond reproach.

Philosophía
Good.

We can PM leo our first posts by Monday night, then the 2nd ones by Wednesday night. I'll contact Galan and Pr to judge.

Leo, maybe you can make a separate first post, showing that these two quotes are in contention:

Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency. Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

Sin I AM
Leo is biased?

leonidas
apparently because phil and i don't hate each other it's the only logical solution. /shrug

and whatever you guys want. just send me your stuff and i'll post it. thumb up

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
apparently because phil and i don't hate each other it's the only logical solution. /shrug

and whatever you guys want. just send me your stuff and i'll post it. thumb up

He's still butthurt Cap was in the High Street tier.

Even though he didn't bother to read through the thread to understand why.

leonidas
i guess. odd though to throw shade at me since i actually suggested cap to lm to begin with? he just really hates phil i guess, and by association anyone who doesn't share his sentiment. weird.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
he just really hates phil i guess

You're talking about the guy who acts like he was f*cking frozen for 10+ years.

We're all new faces to Alf, he's like Steve getting found and unfrozen by the Avengers.

Supermutant

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Supermutant


leo is alright in small doses.

Only when you want to build an immunity up #vaccinateyourkids

Philosophía
Don't worry - I won't get bored by your dodging and leave you alone.

These, your own statements, are what I disagreed with, and for which I made the challenge:

Originally posted by Supermutant
I'm stating that Bullseye stalemating both DD and Elektra simultaneously in one comic, then getting knock down casually by Taskmaster in one shot show inconsistency. Originally posted by Supermutant
Frank dominate BE on one occasion, BE perform much better as he used Frank to collect a huge pay day on another, and BE dominated Frank in yet a different encounter. The very definition of inconsistency.

These 3 are the Punisher fights we talked about, and these are the ones, you unambigously said, are "the very definition of inconsistent".

Nothing less, nothing more.

It is simple - will you, or will you not, be a coward?

Can you, or can you not, back up your own words?

You go on, and on, and on with verbal diarrhea.

It's a yes, or no.

Sin I AM
Gotta question. When Taskmaster one shot BE that was during Seige right? Wasnt he given a push because he was part of the Illuminati? I mean I remember him holding his own against IM and Stark early on. I always considered him in the LM class moreso than high street. He even beat Daken at one point iirc but that mightve because the heat drug was affecting him.

StiltmanFTW
He wasn't one-shotted, he was up in the very next panel.

Yeah, Daken was drugged and didn't even pop his claws.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He wasn't one-shotted, he was up in the very next panel.

Yeah, Daken was drugged and didn't even pop his claws.


Yup that's it now i remember. Thx stilt 😘

Supermutant
lol silly philly is just trolling now after accusing others, not even worth a response anymore to just repeat oneself. If anybody wishes to have an adult conversation about why I consider BE all over the place like I stated in my very first post, I'm more than happy to engage them.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gotta question. When Taskmaster one shot BE that was during Seige right? Wasnt he given a push because he was part of the Illuminati? I mean I remember him holding his own against IM and Stark early on. I always considered him in the LM class moreso than high street. He even beat Daken at one point iirc but that mightve because the heat drug was affecting him.

I guess that could be considered a push in terms of respect from the writers, but I think that's the way he should be written. At least more often, it was pretty cool to see him treat some Asgardians like cannon fodder. Even Fandral basically said that they were even in sword fighting skill.

I can see reasons to have him as a low meta b/c of his gear and skill. He does use the occasional trick arrows, grenades, flash bangs...etc. LM or HS wouldn't be much of a difference for him to be in either tier. Now Udon Tasky is a legit meta even had superspeed for a while. Like with the right gear he was owning Venom Flash.

Sin I AM
Doesn't that stance negate your previous debate with Phil? I mean if you consider him LM. His showing with Bullseye makes more sense.

Philosophía
Cowardly, but expected.

Maybe some day, your balls will drop down from your belly, Chromy, and you'll be able to stand up for your own words. But this was not one of those times.

Continue with the meltdown.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gotta question. When Taskmaster one shot BE that was during Seige right? Wasnt he given a push because he was part of the Illuminati? I mean I remember him holding his own against IM and Stark early on. I always considered him in the LM class moreso than high street. He even beat Daken at one point iirc but that mightve because the heat drug was affecting him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He wasn't one-shotted, he was up in the very next panel.

Yeah, Daken was drugged and didn't even pop his claws.
thumb up

Here, Sin:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/New-Avengers-2005/Issue-59?id=3150

Go to the last few pages.

Deadline
Originally posted by leonidas
i guess. odd though to throw shade at me since i actually suggested cap to lm to begin with? he just really hates phil i guess, and by association anyone who doesn't share his sentiment. weird.

First of all I wouldn't really take anything that Stilt says about me seriously he likes to troll me. The other day he argued that Metron was a dumbass just to try and rile me up, he obvously doesn't think that.

Don't really want to talk about that tier thread again but if you were paying attention the thing that irritated me wasn't really Cap being in hs but being cut off in the middle of my pitch for no good reason. Now I saw you last post about this but decided not to respond because the thread had moved on. However you may have your reasons for shutting down the discussion but it's not just me but other posters wanted to discuss the placement and thought that discussion was good. People can disagree as much as they want but when somebody is given the opportunity to speak it's bad manners to cut that person short and other people who want to express their opinion.

It's actually not about hating or liking phil. You said you had been reading this thread but actually it looks you haven't because if you had you would notice that I have disagreed with Supermutant twice and agreed with Phil. I could go on but I'll leave it there. You're kinda illustrating my point.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Doesn't that stance negate your previous debate with Phil? I mean if you consider him LM. His showing with Bullseye makes more sense.

lm or hs not a lot of seperation in those tiers. He didn't use any gear with BE. He just punched him like fodder. BE is definitely a meta when given a healing factor and metal laced bones. Its sort of ambiguous b/c Clint shot him multiple times and stated too bad you will heal from this or something similar, while he was pretending to be hawkeye during this time.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good assessment. I think Todd is more durable due to gear etc and maybe more consistent in h2h where as BE has beaten and lost to Elektra/Matt plenty of times...i think the thing that seals it is his accuracy which trumps Todd's and his damage soak plus blood lust.

By the way how is your post from the Bane & Red Hood vs Kraven & Bullseye thread, any different from what I have been stating in this thread? Minus the last part about Todd.

silly philly you should really seek professional counseling, please don't harm yourself

Deadline
^ BE has a healing factor? You sure?

Supermutant
at one time he had one, writers seem to mostly ignore it since.

leonidas
Originally posted by Deadline
First of all I wouldn't really take anything that Stilt says about me seriously he likes to troll me. The other day he argued that Metron was a dumbass just to try and rile me up, he obvously doesn't think that.

Don't really want to talk about that tier thread again but if you were paying attention the thing that irritated me wasn't really Cap being in hs but being cut off in the middle of my pitch for no good reason. Now I saw you last post about this but decided not to respond because the thread had moved on. However you may have your reasons for shutting down the discussion but it's not just me but other posters wanted to discuss the placement and thought that discussion was good. People can disagree as much as they want but when somebody is given the opportunity to speak it's bad manners to cut that person short and other people who want to express their opinion.

It's actually not about hating or liking phil. You said you had been reading this thread but actually it looks you haven't because if you had you would notice that I have disagreed with Supermutant twice and agreed with Phil. I could go on but I'll leave it there. You're kinda illustrating my point.

lol who said i was actually reading this thread?? i grew bored with the material in question pages ago, and was really only interested in the entertainment. i glossed like the last 5 pages. and that doesn't illustrate bias anyway, so.... yeah

and it's funny you think i somehow shut down....anything. i told you i didn't have that power, the thread is wide open for anyone. i said getting bogged down in one character was pointless, but that is exactly what it is--one opinion. and even doing that doesn't show bias--it shows a desire to move the f*** on.

so you called me bias and don't think i should judge a match because i wanted to move an unrelated thread along, and because you don't think i was following every word of a 7 page flame-war?? lol dude, seriously....

DarkSaint85
When the BZ is open, could we title it SuperChromy vs SillyPhilly?

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When the BZ is open, could we title it SuperChromy vs SillyPhilly?

Only if DorkTaint69 will host it. thumb up

DarkSaint85
Oof. I am happy to host once we are all in agreement with the terms

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Supermutant
at one time he had one, writers seem to mostly ignore it since.

You mean under Bendis?

He wasn't necessarily wrong there, y'know. Lester has miraculously recovered from all kinds of injuries, sometimes with help, sometimes not.

But HF or not, we need to consider if it's battlefield effective first --- Wolverine recovers during the fight, while others need still need time off-panel, like Spider-Man.

Philosophía
Edit: wrong thread.

StiltmanFTW

Philosophía
There's no such thing as wrong hole.

StiltmanFTW
thumb up

Supermutant
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You mean under Bendis?

He wasn't necessarily wrong there, y'know. Lester has miraculously recovered from all kinds of injuries, sometimes with help, sometimes not.

But HF or not, we need to consider if it's battlefield effective first --- Wolverine recovers during the fight, while others need still need time off-panel, like Spider-Man.

thumb up yeah I was saving this for something else evil face

https://i.imgur.com/gR2CcEoh.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/iK58aXFh.jpg

"too bad you'll heal" and of course about the HF effectiveness. Just look at some of his fights with Deadpool. Deadpool put a meat hook thru his chest once.

StiltmanFTW
About the meat hook. He did, but it was specifically mentioned he needed HAMMER tech to recover.

HAMMER tech = SHIELD tech - it can fix all kinds of damage, including fatal impalements (Jubilee) or a snapped neck that was being electrocuted at the same time (Bullseye).

Supermutant
yeah but also after Dark Wind grafted his with adamantium it was supposed to give him a healing factor which has been mostly ignored

StiltmanFTW
I think the herbs were supposed to work only during the (partial) adamantium-bonding process he underwent, not afterwards.

Supermutant
something else I was holding on too wink

Here Bullseye gets stabbed all the way thru his arm by Daken's claws. Bullseye screams but very little blood is shown. The fight get interrupted by Emma, but Bullseye seems physically to be in pretty good shape with his arm. He's certainly not acting like someone who is concerned or even needing medical attention.

https://imgur.com/a/ZXhKX

Deadline
Originally posted by leonidas
lol who said i was actually reading this thread??

Er you did.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i've enjoyed the hell out of reading this,

Originally posted by leonidas

i grew bored with the material in question pages ago, and was really only interested in the entertainment. i glossed like the last 5 pages. and that doesn't illustrate bias anyway, so.... yeah


Well if you glossed over it how can you be so sure there isn't any bias? Ok whatever at any rate don't be so sure next tinme you want to judge people's motivations.


Originally posted by leonidas

and it's funny you think i somehow shut down....anything. i told you i didn't have that power, the thread is wide open for anyone. i said getting bogged down in one character was pointless, but that is exactly what it is--one opinion. and even doing that doesn't show bias--it shows a desire to move the f*** on.

so you called me bias and don't think i should judge a match because i wanted to move an unrelated thread along, and because you don't think i was following every word of a 7 page flame-war?? lol dude, seriously....

You just keep making excuse don't you? Yea you kinda do have the power actually because since you decided to put it on yourself to shut it down it got shut down. You started that and you didn't need to.

You know what I could give you an olive branch but you really can't see how it's irritating for somebody to be given the opportunity to speak and then it gets cut short. You do realise that I made a fairly detailed post right, with actual references from comics. I had to dig those references up, you get that right? What part after somebody has made the effort to do that to cut them short is bad manners?

Who wanted to move on you? It's not just me who wanted to have a proper discussion it's other posters. Not only that other posters didn't have a problem with more discussion. In fact since you're actually vothing and making an effort to make a table is more reason to have a discussion.

An unrelated thread? facepalm The whole purpose of the thread was to allocate spots on the tier. How is discussing who goes where unrelated?

I'm fed up with this quite frankly.

leonidas
you're fed up? laughing out loud stop acting like an idiot. you STILL haven't said how i've acted with any form for bias....anywhere, at any time. the only things you HAVE done are (1) blatantly revealed your butthurt from that other thread where i AGREED with your stance and (2) attributed super forum powa to me! lol i said let's move on so people did?? and that's MY fault? blame your incessant whining for the desire to drop the topic. and after your big post was made you STILL didn't convince anyone. but guess what--he got moved ANYWAY. hey squeaky wheel, good for you for whining enough you got your way. thumb up

let me exercise my new super powers in 2 ways by first, making a suggestion that you no longer be allowed to take part in that thread discussion since clearly you are incapable of remaining objective or of respecting the process that we decided to follow early on when we restarted the discussion. and secondly to put you on ignore because, well, phil was right. thumb up

you're fed up? laughing out loud makes 2 of us.

celeyhyga17
Where is this thread? I will make the final judgement.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Where is this thread? I will make the final judgement.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=447826&pagenumber=485#post16835476

Deadline
Originally posted by leonidas
you're fed up? laughing out loud stop acting like an idiot. you STILL haven't said how i've acted with any form for bias....anywhere, at any time.

That thread irritated me because I've seen certain posters on this forum who aren't as good as they think they are getting away with murder and people take them too seriously. You can do that stuff on the comic vs forum but when you do it on a thread where people are voting I take it a bit more seriously, people are making the effort to build that table. Now it's not a matter of wether you hate Phil or not it's the fact that you think he isn't baised shows me you don't really have a clue of what you're doing. Take this thread for example I have disagreed with his opponent twice and agreed with Phil, his response was to threaten to report me to the mods. Yeah real objective. That's your boy now if you think you're friend is a thief and you think he's an honest man you're not objective.



Originally posted by leonidas

the only things you HAVE done are (1) blatantly revealed your butthurt from that other thread where i AGREED with your stance and (2) attributed super forum powa to me! lol i said let's move on so people did?? and that's MY fault?

Um I didn't bring it up. Maybe I'm wrong but it pretty much looks like it's your fault because it got shut down after you're statment, if you were objective you would have seen the bias and given more time for people to make their case. I could also add StiltmanFTW here, he was probably just arguing against it just to annoy me, however I can understand why you didn't see that.

Now maybe I'm wrong here but like I said but it does seem eventhough you're not a mod people take your opinion seriously. For me it's like posters like you can do whatever you want say whatever you want no matter how stupid is, you may not agree on everything but you kinda back each other up. So I wanna make my case you lot decide to shut it down eventhough other people might wanna discuss it and they did. The fact that almost immediately afterwards somebody wanted to cast a vote proves my point.

Originally posted by leonidas

blame your incessant whining for the desire to drop the topic. and after your big post was made you STILL didn't convince anyone. but guess what--he got moved ANYWAY. hey squeaky wheel, good for you for whining enough you got your way. thumb up


I don't think you know what incessant whining is I really didn't post that much. I think I have to repeat this the fourth time now....other people wanted to make their opinion and didn't like how the thread ws being run. If you like maybe I should go and quote the posts of people who didn't disagree with my point of having more discussion. To be quite honest I'm used to be people disagreeing with me.


Originally posted by leonidas

let me exercise my new super powers in 2 ways by first, making a suggestion that you no longer be allowed to take part in that thread discussion since clearly you are incapable of remaining objective or of respecting the process that we decided to follow early on when we restarted the discussion. and secondly to put you on ignore because, well, phil was right. thumb up

you're fed up? laughing out loud makes 2 of us.


See what I mean? Whos butthurt now? How did I not respect the procees? You're not being objective because lots of people didn't have a problem with having more discussion and in fact it pretty much looks more people agreed with me on that point.

celeyhyga17
After reading the arguments, I declare Cap is a Streeta.

Judgement done.

Carry on.

Deadline
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
After reading the arguments, I declare Cap is a Streeta.

Judgement done.

Carry on.

thumb up

Deadline
I will hopefully add one last thing. I can pretty much assume that in that thread StiltmanFTW did what he did just to annoy me. Now I have to admit I was in a bad mood at the time and I did get geuninely annoyed. I dont mind bringing this up because clearly you don't care Stilt. I asked StiltmanFTW to stop trolling me politely, not only did ne not stop he escalated it. Now I've never pmed this guy before you'd think he would cut me some slack, right? Because who knows for all he knew maybe I'd just come from the hospital or something.

Now I have been watching things on this forum and others but it seems to me that maybe certain posters may act innocent but have real bad will to other posters and want to more than just trolling. Maybe I'm wrong.

celeyhyga17
Stilt trolls be cause he is sad right now.

The guy hasn't had punani in 10 yrs(lowball estimate).
Cut him some slack.

StiltmanFTW
Alf hasn't progressed one bit since 2006. Makes him officially retarded thumb up

Philosophía
I warned you guys to put him on ignore...

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