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Bruce didn't kill his liver, or start a war.

Tony may be more intelligent, but that doesn't make him smarter.

As much as I can't stand him, Bruce.

Tony's new suits always seem to ****ing suck and he stays in roughly the same tier he has always been in.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
As much as I can't stand him, Bruce.

Tony's new suits always seem to ****ing suck and he stays in roughly the same tier he has always been in.

That too.

Seems like Namor went from struggling on his old suit, to tearing up his new ones with minimal effort.

Originally posted by carver9
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Tony, easily, Simple Carver.

Tony IS StarkTech. WayneTech IS Batman.

It's hard to define 'smart'. Comics often do it in terms of science, not counting other intellectual accomplishments. That said, Bruce has often been called the second smartest guy in the DCU after Luthor.

Tony and Bruce are in the same tier for sure.

Having no Reed in the MCU has resulted in Tony being pushed as the foremost scientist (with the Wakandans giving him some challenge). This dynamic in the MCU has affected the comics MU.

There are many Batmans, whereas Tony is shown more consistently as an uber scientist. Some Batmans are more of the classic detective; other Batmans are more uber in all areas.

Wasn't WayneTech designed gadgets portrayed in the movies more than the comics? I remember CLASSIC Batman designed his own gear.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
As much as I can't stand him, Bruce.

Tony's new suits always seem to ****ing suck and he stays in roughly the same tier he has always been in.

The Extremis and Bleeding edge armors would say otherwise.

Originally posted by Faceless808
Wasn't WayneTech designed gadgets portrayed in the movies more than the comics? I remember CLASSIC Batman designed his own gear.

I believe the record is inconsistent as to what tech Bruce designed for himself, and what he outsourced. It's also inconsistent on whether Bruce outsourced tech because he lacked the time or the ability.

The reason for this is that being a super scientific genius is not yet, and has not been, a core element of the Batman mythos. It is with Tony.

For me Tony is smart if he has managed not to get any STDs during his lifetime.

Bruce is just a terrible character.

Agreed, Batman is the end all be all jack-of-all-trade master of sucking balls.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
That's not a fair comparisson. By that logic Lex Luthor wouldn't be as smart as Bruce either. The wide breadth of knowledge in multiple fields Bruce has is far wider than the likes of Lex or even Reed, but nobody would call him smarter than THEM. Their field of smarts is nearly exclusively Science/tech too.

Lex is a bit more than just tech,though.

....

They are different...

Tony is an engineer, he is very specialised.

Bruce has different fields of expertise.


Both are top tiers in their disciplines.

Stark isn't really that specialized. He's shown mastery of all sciences, including resurrecting himself and Rhodey, and genetically modifying an entire city. He's an omnidisciplinary scientist. Not sure where this idea that Stark only knows "tech" comes from. That's like saying that Doctor Who only knows the science of sonics. Sure, his signature tool is tech, but he's not even close to being limited to tech.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
They are different...

Tony is an engineer, he is very specialised.

Bruce has different fields of expertise.


Both are top tiers in their disciplines.

Who is smarter: Thomas Edison or Alexander the Great?



No one would ever put the greatest tactical/strategic/military genius on Earth in a toplist of brain trusts, but wouldn't you need to be pretty damned smart to do it well? Would you want Albert Einstein planning a war for you?

P.S., Reed beating Cap at his own game was total BS. He should have considered the possibility Sue might defect, or have been playing them.

One of the best Batman Stories I've ever read.

Like all good DC Stories = You actually do have to read the story

In this one the writer and the artists get togther on panel to tell the reader to = read the story

When you're reading DC I quess you could just ogle the feats or you could slow down and see all the little things they put in the background.

That is Bruce Wayne

You can see the feats all the batarang throws the fighting the Deductive Work where the writers and the artists show BW on panel very obviously deducing things...

But in the background. It will be mentioned casually on panel that all those times BW pretended to be sleeping through his lectures and asking ridiculous questions he was paying more attention than anyone else + after those lectures he was spending more time studying, reading ahead, doing practical experiments than anyone else. 80% of the time you'll see some Wayne Enterprises Geologist or Biological Expert Or Someone who Bruce Wayne employs just to do 1 single thing that seems completely useless - who's scared of being pulled in to report on a commercial application for their project... This Will be 'The Cherkov's Gun' of the story. It will be shown that Bruce Wayne was reading every single useless little thing they were recording and you'll see him in some impossible situation apply some useless piece of information from column a and some more from column b and and deduce x. You'll see Wayne at the end of the story 'casually' bump into the world's foremost expert on slate grey anaerobic mosses native to some place no one has ever heard of and give the expert a friendly smile, and reinforce his reputation as an outrageous idiot by giving them a raise and throwing even more company money into their ten year long and counting eccentric research project with no commercial applications.

Tony Stark doesn't do this. About the only person who does this in Marvel is Reed Richards.

This kind of stuff it doesnt make exciting visuals occasionally they will go on panel to some scientist standing in a field somewhere to give a face to the world's no 1 expert on french maritime pine bark standing in a forest in france but who reallly wants to pay attention to that when you can pay attention to the fun action and cool gadgets instead.

Its all there on panel.

Read 500 Batman Stories and you will see what spetznaz and everyone else sees.

They don't even need to be in Batman Books.

Just on Pure Science - Pure Empirical Scientific Fact = Batman is The smartest Human On DC Earth

If we're just focused on say Biology = Swamp Thing and Poison Ivy = On another level.

If its tech - and commercial applications of tech = Lex Luthor

But if its = Total Science = The answer is Batman.

Batman thanks to all the Meditation Techniques he learnt and mastered from the best Sensei's on DC Earth can make his mind super perform.

There are people who know Batman can do this: Ra's is often shown on panel saying.... Seriously Stop. When Batman is Motivated... Just Stop.

Unmotivated Bruce Wayne has been called out numerous times for blatant jobbing / holding back / pretending he's less than the sum of his parts.

He's a magic user - he's been shown on panel - caught red handed - in detective using a blood spell taught to him by the Homo Magi - (Wayne is a student of the Homo Magi)

Batman is a character Bruce Wayne plays

When in character as Batman he has a tightly defined purpose with preset parameters - putting people away with solid evidence and only with solid evidence = which can be accpted / used to prosecute or detain people in the courts or some other legal form of 'due process'.


When people who really know Bruce Wayne - want something of him

They might approach him when he is in costume as Batman - but they won't call him by that nickname.

You'll often see them on panel calling him by the exact thing that he is.

Remember when I said.... read the story.

Bruce Wayne knows more about how to kill people than Tony Stark or Lex Luthor with Tech and without Tech Could.

You'll notice while playing Batman Bruce Wayne is a thousand percent committed to the ideal of not killing.

As Bruce Wayne he gave absolutely 0 Fuchs to the death of those people in a fire flood who broke into the catacombs beneath Wayne Manor.

People who know Bruce Wayne as Bruce Wayne often get a free pass in Gotham / through Gotham to go about their business to rule the world, assassinate someone, evade justice, etc as long as they don't kill anyone while they're in Gotham.

In each of these cases Bruce Wayne would have a truly uncomfortable time explaining to Interpol or to anyone how and why he knows them and they know him and why he shouldn't be on every law enforcement watch list on the earth.

Seriously. After the 50th story you've read of Batman + Some Being of Pure Magic eg: The Demon Etrigan, Batman and some Sprit / Enchanted Being eg: Deadman, Batman and some God >Insert Name Of God Here< and seen the 100th flashback to this one time when Bruce Wayne was training in some obscure non combat martial art discipline using 'earth power' to tank or to read fate (fortune telling)

If you read the stories... you'll read the character of Bruce Wayne and understand why Ra's Al Ghul asks.... not how did you... why did you... but.... who motivated you? and tells his people... all of them.. stop.. stand aside... you can't live with him whenhe's motivated.

Superman could not explain why or how, with absolutely no distraction he could not feel or hear batman steal a piece of organic matter

Batman without tech can completely shield his mind from J'onn.

Could Tony Stark completely w/o tech... sneak up on Oracle of The Shi'ar?

I Tony's tech has been laughed at by Rocket Raccoon.

Bruce.

Tony is slightly more intelligent (Math, Engineering, Alcohol) while Bruce is smarter. There are many forms of intelligence and Bruce has a broader range.

Call me when Bruce can resurrect the dead.

That would be Damian Wayne.

Also, he can always use the Lazarus Pits.....if anything, he's stopped Ra's from resurrecting his own parents

Detective-wise and tactical-wise, Bruce. Didn't Superman once call him the most dangerous man on (DC) Earth?

Tech-wise, Tony ... though I don't recall anyone ever calling him the most dangerous man on (Marvel) Earth.

Also, KMC's almost-tagline was never "Iron Man with prep."

Ergo -- I'm Wayning on this one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That would be Damian Wayne.

Also, he can always use the Lazarus Pits.....if anything, he's stopped Ra's from resurrecting his own parents

That wasn't done using Wayne's own invention, nor would using a lazarus pit. Stark INVENTED a way to ressurect Rhodey.

Originally posted by VanMae
That wasn't done using Wayne's own invention, nor would using a lazarus pit. Stark INVENTED a way to ressurect Rhodey.

But that's the point.

He doesn't need to.

It's like saying 'call me when Tony invente the wheel', lol. It's already there. It's a common enough device in the DCU that he actually says no when Ra's wants to use it, lol.

From the start of the new 52, Bruce has built some insane things like a mini sun. Overall, I'd go with Bruce. But they're in the same tier.

Who built the Hellbat?

The entire JLa pitched in. Don't know who designed it, though.

Bruce and Spetz, is right it's not close. I far prefer Tony as a character though and always will.

He's second to Lex.

Who cured cancer in his sister's kitchen.
Then created an antidote to it, lol.

Then on top of that, his usual tech stuff.

Then he's cunning/smart enough to be a successful businessman (something Reed isn't lol) and the President (take that what you will lol).

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Bruce and Spetz, is right it's not close. I far prefer Tony as a character though and always will.

Lol at not close. You realize Reed richards admitted he's only MARGINALLY smarter than Stark right? And that Stark's mind outclasses Reed's in multitasking? I don't know if I can see him saying any of that about Bruce.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's second to Lex.

Who cured cancer in his sister's kitchen.
Then created an antidote to it, lol.

Then on top of that, his usual tech stuff.

Then he's cunning/smart enough to be a successful businessman (something Reed isn't lol) and the President (take that what you will lol).

Lots of the top guys have feats like that. Reed Richards broke into heaven with tech. Stark made multiple suits capable of interstellar flight etc

Tbf, Batman also built a spaceship. Or at least, a rocket ship.

But it's not a tech thing....Tony is far superior in that respect.

Batman is also able to speak multiple languages, fluently, to the point where he can detect accents.

Knows enough about stagecraft and disguises to go live amongst criminals on a nightly basis.

Knows 127 bajillion martial arts, and actually mastered them (so not just what he saw on YouTube a couple of times).

Holds multiple degrees in multiple fields, from top universities.
Is an expert in lockpicking, Martian tech, Apokoliptian tech, Kryptonian etc.

Whilst being a successful CEO, with a sideline in some tech knowledge.

I think it can be said that they both manifest genius differently. whilst tony stark would use technology to do something and bruce would use (insert expertise) to do it.

I think it's more impressive to use tech to solve any/all problems. like stark wouldn't need to learn how to be a detective but he would design the perfect detective thingamabob so he could focus on something else.

But again since when was breadth of knowledge the benchmark for being smarter? By that logic Bruce would be smarter than Lex and Reed too. Bruce is the best swiss army knife of knowledge and skills but Stark is the best multitasker. Able to do multiple highly complicated projects at the same time and have them all turn out as well as if Reed richards focused single mindedly on each of them.

Bruce is smarter than everyone.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Bruce is smarter than everyone.

Then why he's getting raped by a clown?

Clowns have sex with kids. You really can't call the ones who get away with it dumb either. Nor smart. They are outside the spectrum of intellect. They are a real wildcard. It's just nature.

To put it another way....

It doesn't matter how many comics you read. How erudite your arguments. You could be Stan Lee himself, all of that will come to nothin', when the carver comes a-knockin'.

Carver is the John Wayne Gacy of African Americans.

DC Comics: JLA A League Of One TPB

Marvel Comics: Uncanny Inhumans Volume 3 TPB

Read Those 2 Trades

Ask yourself who's smarter

Originally posted by shiv
One of the best Batman Stories I've ever read.

Like all good DC Stories = You actually do have to read the story

In this one the writer and the artists get togther on panel to tell the reader to = read the story

When you're reading DC I quess you could just ogle the feats or you could slow down and see all the little things they put in the background.

That is Bruce Wayne

You can see the feats all the batarang throws the fighting the Deductive Work where the writers and the artists show BW on panel very obviously deducing things...

But in the background. It will be mentioned casually on panel that all those times BW pretended to be sleeping through his lectures and asking ridiculous questions he was paying more attention than anyone else + after those lectures he was spending more time studying, reading ahead, doing practical experiments than anyone else. 80% of the time you'll see some Wayne Enterprises Geologist or Biological Expert Or Someone who Bruce Wayne employs just to do 1 single thing that seems completely useless - who's scared of being pulled in to report on a commercial application for their project... This Will be 'The Cherkov's Gun' of the story. It will be shown that Bruce Wayne was reading every single useless little thing they were recording and you'll see him in some impossible situation apply some useless piece of information from column a and some more from column b and and deduce x. You'll see Wayne at the end of the story 'casually' bump into the world's foremost expert on slate grey anaerobic mosses native to some place no one has ever heard of and give the expert a friendly smile, and reinforce his reputation as an outrageous idiot by giving them a raise and throwing even more company money into their ten year long and counting eccentric research project with no commercial applications.

Tony Stark doesn't do this. About the only person who does this in Marvel is Reed Richards.

This kind of stuff it doesnt make exciting visuals occasionally they will go on panel to some scientist standing in a field somewhere to give a face to the world's no 1 expert on french maritime pine bark standing in a forest in france but who reallly wants to pay attention to that when you can pay attention to the fun action and cool gadgets instead.

Its all there on panel.

Read 500 Batman Stories and you will see what spetznaz and everyone else sees.

They don't even need to be in Batman Books.

Just on Pure Science - Pure Empirical Scientific Fact = Batman is The smartest Human On DC Earth

If we're just focused on say Biology = Swamp Thing and Poison Ivy = On another level.

If its tech - and commercial applications of tech = Lex Luthor

But if its = Total Science = The answer is Batman.

Batman thanks to all the Meditation Techniques he learnt and mastered from the best Sensei's on DC Earth can make his mind super perform.

There are people who know Batman can do this: Ra's is often shown on panel saying.... Seriously Stop. When Batman is Motivated... Just Stop.

Unmotivated Bruce Wayne has been called out numerous times for blatant jobbing / holding back / pretending he's less than the sum of his parts.

He's a magic user - he's been shown on panel - caught red handed - in detective using a blood spell taught to him by the Homo Magi - (Wayne is a student of the Homo Magi)

Batman is a character Bruce Wayne plays

When in character as Batman he has a tightly defined purpose with preset parameters - putting people away with solid evidence and only with solid evidence = which can be accpted / used to prosecute or detain people in the courts or some other legal form of 'due process'.


When people who really know Bruce Wayne - want something of him

They might approach him when he is in costume as Batman - but they won't call him by that nickname.

You'll often see them on panel calling him by the exact thing that he is.

Remember when I said.... read the story.

Bruce Wayne knows more about how to kill people than Tony Stark or Lex Luthor with Tech and without Tech Could.

You'll notice while playing Batman Bruce Wayne is a thousand percent committed to the ideal of not killing.

As Bruce Wayne he gave absolutely 0 Fuchs to the death of those people in a fire flood who broke into the catacombs beneath Wayne Manor.

People who know Bruce Wayne as Bruce Wayne often get a free pass in Gotham / through Gotham to go about their business to rule the world, assassinate someone, evade justice, etc as long as they don't kill anyone while they're in Gotham.

In each of these cases Bruce Wayne would have a truly uncomfortable time explaining to Interpol or to anyone how and why he knows them and they know him and why he shouldn't be on every law enforcement watch list on the earth.

Seriously. After the 50th story you've read of Batman + Some Being of Pure Magic eg: The Demon Etrigan, Batman and some Sprit / Enchanted Being eg: Deadman, Batman and some God >Insert Name Of God Here< and seen the 100th flashback to this one time when Bruce Wayne was training in some obscure non combat martial art discipline using 'earth power' to tank or to read fate (fortune telling)

If you read the stories... you'll read the character of Bruce Wayne and understand why Ra's Al Ghul asks.... not how did you... why did you... but.... who motivated you? and tells his people... all of them.. stop.. stand aside... you can't live with him whenhe's motivated.

Superman could not explain why or how, with absolutely no distraction he could not feel or hear batman steal a piece of organic matter

Batman without tech can completely shield his mind from J'onn.

Could Tony Stark completely w/o tech... sneak up on Oracle of The Shi'ar?

Great read, and I fully agree with it.

This is why I mentioned earlier that Bruce Wayne is the most haxx character in DC. Even more than Superman.

Dude is not human

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Lol at not close. You realize Reed richards admitted he's only MARGINALLY smarter than Stark right? And that Stark's mind outclasses Reed's in multitasking? I don't know if I can see him saying any of that about Bruce.

Reed is too humble, he has probably said before that he thinks Doom is as smart and not smarter than him, but when it goes down to it Reed is just he brainiest of them all.

But he kind of sucks at multitasking since he neglects Sue every now and then.

Different fields of smarts.

Originally posted by Bentley
Reed is too humble, he has probably said before that he thinks Doom is as smart and not smarter than him, but when it goes down to it Reed is just he brainiest of them all.

But he kind of sucks at multitasking since he neglects Sue every now and then.

But his words were kinda backed up when Tony embarrassed him at chess.

Originally posted by Bentley
Reed is too humble

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Batman is also smarter, analytic wise. Snyder explains not only regular Bruce, but The Batman Who Laughs:



Scary to think that this is what Bruce would be if he was evil.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Then why he's getting raped by a clown?
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