Punching Machinery Contest

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Philosophía
The Namor/Hawkman stuff gave me the idea for this thread.

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The following hit the machine once, putting everything into the strike, from a standing position. How do they rank?

Let's say Namor's one hit = 100 points as a baseline.

Hawkman
Aquaman
The Thing
Ares
Hercules
Colossus
Juggernaut
Iron Man
Apocalypse
Black Bolt

One Big Mob
If he shouts Imperius Rex before hand, only Apocalypse can come close. Maybe a 90 for him.

No Master Blow I presume?

LordofBrooklyn
Hawkman -80
Aquaman-85
The Thing-70
Ares-75
Hercules-115
Colossus-75
Juggernaut-115
Iron Man-70
Apocalypse-75
Black Bolt-85 Master Blow 100

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Philosophia


The following hit the machine once, putting everything into the strike, from a standing position. How do they rank?

Let's say Namor's one hit = 100 points as a baseline.

Hawkman ...




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https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39379988_image.jpg

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39379988_image.jpg

NO Claw Of Horus allowed!

leonidas
lol what the literal hell?? i was thinking about making this exact thread last night?? that's actually creepy as sh!t. laughing out loud

leonidas
Hawkman --tough one. he has some good striking feats but in general i'd still but it well below solid cl100's. maybe 60?
Aquaman--100
The Thing--90
Ares--75
Hercules--120
Colossus--85
Juggernaut--110
Iron Man--80
Apocalypse--100
Black Bolt--85

many of these guys are so close separating them comes down to personal preference or the way you view specific feats. in general several are in nearly identical classes of strength,

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
Hercules--120


Once a Herc fanboy, always a Herc fanboy...

StiltmanFTW
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leonidas
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Once a Herc fanboy, always a Herc fanboy...

pfft. he's proven to be stronger than namor underwater. namor is a full tier below thor and herc.

One Big Mob
Thinking a loser like Herc is above Namor is one thing, but how do people think Apoc is anything but the strongest guy in this thread (besides Namor), especially with his more recent performances against Thor?

carver9
Exactly

carver9
https://m.imgur.com/0CbWN5c
https://m.imgur.com/hG9ONvK

leonidas
i guess with apoc i take a more general view. certain incarnations of him seem more powerful than others. the one who fought thor was uber. the one that fought dracula seemed much less so. other versions have been sort of in between. i could see him being the strongest if a given incarnation is looked at.

One Big Mob
Wasn't he awoken early and infected by the vamps? And he still cut his head off. Iirc he was also shown to literally stomp Drac out in a war flashback at the start.

Even Evanpocalypse was shown to put THE HULK'S HULK out of commission twice. Rem just also really played up that enchantment weakness.

Apoc only really shits the bed when he's weakened, or when writers want to give Cyclops his only good feat that he can never do ever again.

beatboks
Hawkman 70-80
Aquaman 90-95
The Thing 80
Ares 70
Hercules 95
Colossus 80-90
Juggernaut 100-110
Iron Man 70
Apocalypse 85-95
Black Bolt 80-85

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Wasn't he awoken early and infected by the vamps? And he still cut his head off. Iirc he was also shown to literally stomp Drac out in a war flashback at the start.

No, it was Apoc's minion who stomped Drac, actually. But back then, Drac appeared to be just a normal human...? Anyway, irrelevant.

You're right, the bite has severely drained Apoc (as stated in the story numerous times) and it's what allowed Dracula to control Nur.

One Big Mob
Without going the retcon route, he would have had to have been a vamp by them. Otherwise he almost died then, and then the second time he almost died, he got vamped, in the same year.
If we go the the retcon route, Turac gets written out, and the Apoc stomp is what led to him turning.

It also amped Drac.

That story also shit on Apoc, but maybe his blood clan was super tough? Meh, he was forced awake which explains why he seemed weaker.

Genii96
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Once a Herc fanboy, always a Herc fanboy...


Not so much herc fanboy as much as a namor hater tbh,he always downplays namor

Bentley
Whenever I see someone giving Colossus a better note than Thing I learn who is scared of Pr's new modding Powers.

Philosophía
Apocalypse aside, people really don't rate Ares.

LordofBrooklyn
Give us your rankings.

Genii96
Hawkman -80
Aquaman-85
The Thing-79
Ares-70
Hercules-90- 100
Colossus-75
Juggernaut-120
Iron Man-60-80(suit varies)
Apocalypse- 110
Black Bolt-85 / master Blow 100

Philosophía
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Give us your rankings. For you LoB, everything.

Hawkman
- not sure, which is why I included him in the thread. As I've said before, he's all over the place, and he can go from his blows being felt by Magog :
https://imgur.com/a/rOZXJKE
https://imgur.com/a/hLwkUYi
https://imgur.com/a/1YLY72n

and Despero :
https://imgur.com/a/HfghmYe

to the mace getting crushed, but at the same time, going into something resembling a punch-out to Black Adam:
https://imgur.com/a/y58a6G2
https://imgur.com/a/RAWl8mG
https://imgur.com/a/1Csikf3

..to lesser stuff.
Maybe the 'badass mace' in the writers' mind makes it seem like he strikes harder than he actually does. Maybe it's Geoff Johns giving characters their 'hero moment' which he really likes to do, regardless of power level -- and all 3 of the showings above were under him. I dunno.

Taking everything into account, I'd say it's around 80-85, but it mostly scales up to the opponent, so he can skyrocket from that.

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Aquaman
I'd peg him around the same as Namor.

He can go into punch-outs with Wonder Woman , can go up against Hercules etc.
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The Thing
75
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Ares
80-85
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Hercules
120
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Colossus
75
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Juggernaut
One I keep changing my mind on. Perhaps generous, but I'd say he's 130 in the current moment. I thought he looked visibly stronger than Thor in the latest comic, but that's muddied a bit by being in a specific place where he is stronger. At the same time, he does say that he's stronger than ever. I also think that Juggernaut's showing against WWH is not something Thor can replicate - and around that period, Thor was basically Hulk's plaything
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Iron Man
75
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Apocalypse
I really can't peg him. Another one I was curious to see how people see him.

I think his showing against 'young' Thor was easily his highest strength stuff ever. Even against the Hulk, it was not really a matter of pure strength , while here it was clear he was physically superior.

He did seem to be unwilling to fight Namor undersea, though..
https://imgur.com/a/KWTcNnJ
https://imgur.com/a/rHihbAb
https://imgur.com/a/2Se8wUe

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Black Bolt - 95-100ish? He has some good showings against the likes of Gladiator, being called a close second to Hulk etc. But then again, he's also had some shitty stuff.

One Big Mob
Apoc was slapping around the two Thors too. The Kluh one shots and the Thor fights are his best.

Philosophía
I know Apoc barged in any punched him away at the end there, but was anything else shown? Was Kluh KO'd?

Yeah, his portrayal has looked above Thor w/out Mjolnir, unless the latter has the Cel-Axe.

One Big Mob
The two times Apoc hit Kluh he stopped appearing for a few pages afterwards. 2nd time he just didn't appear again and his limp body was shown ragdolling through the air after the punch.
srug


This is the Thors fight I'm talking about btw
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Generations-The-Unworthy-Thor-The-Mighty-Thor/Full?id=119977

Philosophía
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And that's Aaron Jane, no less.

I only remember when Apoc punched Kluh at the end, there, last issue of A/X Axis. Either way, I think the Thor showings are much more conclusive.

Can't wait for Magneto to beat him again.

http://i.imgur.com/8y3HfSw.png

One Big Mob
True, just throwing out decent feats. Guy really hasn't had too many fights, let alone non weakened ones.

Speaking of that, X-Men Black is probably the only series I'm really looking forward to.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/07/22/x-men-black-marvel-sdcc/

In a sea of shit hopefully this turns out good and switches things around. Might even buy it if it isn't crap. Mind you they pretty much confirmed Juggernaut gets his shit pushed in... which isn't what he needs to say the least. laughing out loud

Philosophía
I hope Cullen Bunn gets to finish his Magneto story satisfyingly. It seems like he got interrupted mid-way through his X-Men Blue run.

Claremont Magneto is always good. Maybe that's where he gets back his mojo.

I will follow it, thanks. Interesting to see what they do with Apoc.

I got curious about the Juggernaut stuff, and I googled it, and found an interview where it seems what stops him is some internal struggle. Maybe he realizes he loves Iceman ever since he first threw that first snowball at him.

beatboks
The most being crushed by BA doesn't really come into it's striking power it doesn't strike better because it's hard but because of the effect it has against gravity and electromagnetic force.

The blow is gives are strengthened by the way the metal interacts with those forces. I wouldn't expect nth to be any more durable than a normal metal and therefore just as easily crushed by someone on BAs level.

Most of the fight with Black Adam was actually Hawkman without the Mace, with the Mace was the only time he was actually doing any damage ( and that was really only the first page). The only reason he could continue the fight with BA for as long as he did was because of the healing factor that Nth metal in his wings and belt gives him.

Essentially what I'm saying is the fight with BA doesn't really give you much of an example of the striking power of the mace as it doesn't really come into play at all. when he used the mace against BA he was actually knocked him flying then BA grabs the mace and crushes it. Mace no longer in the picture.

Philosophía
Yes, but it's mostly displayed as a bludgeoning tool that doesn't break upon impact.

Black Adam squeezing it into pieces is a rather contrasting showing with it not shattering against Despero or Magog.

There's a 'special metal that manipulates other stuff' component, too, but it's not like it hovers around Despero's face manipulating the gravity within his cheeks. The actual impact is still there.

I used those scans to show the contrast between showings, while also showing Hawkman's physical ability somewhat.

beatboks
Cant deny that^^
But then again the mace is only supposed to be laced with 5% or so of Nth (cant recall exactly where I saw that exact figure mentioned but I have). So maybe the 5% holds it together on impact (strings of nth ringing the edge every so often) and mabye when BA crushed it he put pressure onnthe normal metal.

Given he has actual knowledge about Nth metal having been around with Kophu (spelling hm first name?) He may have been aware of how to but its just speculation on my part

leonidas
i've not read that most recent encounter, so it's possible he has been made even stronger than he was which would of course alter my numbers. i still think thor was stronger than the classic version though obviously the degrees of difference are effectively negligible. i'd think thor COULD do what juggs did with wwh, but i'm not sure juggs would replicate thor vs nul (flash ko into orbit, carver's fave thumb up ). juggs often looks uber strong because he tanks so much sh!t, but a lot of that has to be a function of his invulnerability.

i agree he's not easy to place because we need to base his level on fights as opposed to direct feats, but his fights are coloured by his invulnerability. we've seen thor fight him without a hammer and no shield and thor looked the better. thor without a hammer vs hulk didn't go so well, and herc has also had thor beat when he didn't have the hammer.

lots of dot connecting to say they are all very close.

apoc is another one. maybe he showings come when he's been weakened, but weeding out the ones where he was supposed to be at full power aren't easy so maybe the less-than-full showings affect his ranking imo.

Philosophía
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The relevant parts:
https://imgur.com/a/jMmEcaE
https://imgur.com/a/yf5r8XB
https://imgur.com/a/3cqF0Is
https://imgur.com/a/eBo0WST
https://imgur.com/a/McwcXKd
https://imgur.com/a/txgoea1

Juggs is reborn and also in a place where he is even stronger, so take that as it may, but I don't dismiss it completely, and I think Cain would be the stronger of the two. I don't think Juggernaut's hits are harder than Thor's Mjolnir strikes , though, but in terms of barehanded strength, I'd have him favorite at the moment.

I guess with Apoc, we'll see how things progress but current portrayals, I think he's shown to be arguably the strongest in this thread, or perhaps on par with Juggs.

StiltmanFTW

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