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?-2005/2006: Antediluvians reign, Ragnos oneshots Sidious, hilariously bad debating and basic sentence construction skills

2006-2007: Palpatine becomes established as the GOAT sith, Luke gets uber wanked, first wave of actual debaters arrive en mass

2007-2010: Luke and Sidious are still supreme, though the ancients are regarded fairly highly with almost all the ancient sith + Bane being considered above Vader and able to give Sidious a moderate fight; powerscaling looked down on

2010-2013: early shadows of TOR and the Vitiate/Palpatine debate, many of the first wave of debaters begin to trickle away until only Gideon really remains

2014-2016: SWF and comicvine people start showing up, Bane dies becomes a thing, Sidious vs. Vitiate is basically the main debate, rise of powerscaling, ancient sith largely start getting placed well below Vader, beginnings of Anakin wank coming in near the end

2017-2018: rise of uber-wank-powerscaling, Sidious vs. Valkorion continues, more convos on hangouts than KMC at this point, Anakin wank reaches full throttle

The timeline could be generally divided into four eons:

The prehistoric: 2001-2005 - Before the invention of fire or the wheel, before the days of serious debating, the troglodytes dominated the lands.
The ancient: 2005-2011 - The dark ages where His Imperial Majesty was not yet considered paramount over all others, yet the coming of Lightsnake and his band of Sheevites changed that and smote the antediluvians; the Star Wars debating equivalent of World War I.
The modern: 2011-2017 - The Treaty of Versailles left the Germans bitter and resentful, which was mirrored with the loss of the antedeluvians after Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun had been thoroughly defecated on. They needed a new champion to rally behind and shake them out of the state of disarray and despondency. This diabolic droll materialized from the pages of Drew's dreadful writing, and would renew the hostilities between the Sheevites and those who would deny His Imperial Majesty, now reorganized as #teamswtor, or Vitidiots, as they have been derogatively sometimes called. After years of back-and-forth verbal fencing, the conflict was inexorably being won by the Sheevites. Although an official conclusion has not been issued, all but the most stubborn and delusional of the opposition would believe they still have a shot at a comeback.
The postmodern: 2018 onwards - While some would contest that SWTOR still lingers, and in some ways it does, the general consensus with Ant's tournament at the start of the year has been that the Sheevites reign has been pretty much irreversibly cemented. Much in the same way as the conclusion of World War II led to our current situation where race is a social construct and gender exists on a spectrum, what followed after the Sheevite-Vitidiot War was a debating mindset according to which Ventress can obliterate planets, Valkorion can snuff out star systems and Anakin Skywalker can shatter a multiverse with a punch. In essence, the structure of what was previously considered reasonable and objective has been uprooted and replaced with multiculturalism and postmodernism.

Well, that was my summarized take on the history of this board. I'd also suggest dividing the eons into eras, which in turn could be separated into periods, epochs, and ages.

Some game changers:

- Sidious most powerful quotes
- RotS novelization mining
- Banite scaling
- SWTOR
- SF Malak quote
- Plagueis novel

Originally posted by Azronger
The ancient: 2005-2011 - The dark ages where His Imperial Majesty was not yet considered paramount over all others, yet the coming of Lightsnake and his band of Sheevites changed that and smote the antediluvians; the Star Wars debating equivalent of World War I. Gideon took Sheev to the next level with his first Palpatine essay(think it was called "darkness beyond darkness" or somesuch.) At the time, it was certainly one of(if not *the*) most comprehensive list of Palpatine's feats/accolades on the interweb. That really stoked much of the Palpatine love that has continued to this day, imo.


I really like the idea of this thread, btw. Think I might pin it. mmm

German SW forums always die after some weeks lol

Originally posted by Galan007
Gideon took Sheev to the next level with his first Palpatine essay(think it was called "darkness beyond darkness" or somesuch.) At the time, it was certainly one of(if not *the*) most comprehensive list of Palpatine's feats/accolades on the interweb. That really stoked much of the Palpatine love that has continued to this day, imo.


I really like the idea of this thread, btw. Think I might pin it. mmm

Yeah, that was a glorious read.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t508764.html

This gave me another idea.

I like this

It's strange to me because there are still several knowledgeable posters here-more then anywhere else at least. So Im curious why theres not more good debates these days? There def could be.

2004-2008: shit filled with retards where people like Lightsnake, Gideon, Janus were gods because they could write in proper English and make one sentence tied logically with the previous; savage times, special needs school for the most disabled of all time, center of retardation

2008-2012: era where people like Neph were worthy of something; still a retarded cesspool, but not one that makes you question humanity

2012-2015: utter retardation dominates, but people that are able to make sense start arriving at the forums; Ant, ILS, Jack, people like those that could actually legitimately debate; those that were here from the times of utter retardation developed and became equals to the new quality arriving here; Gideon, Elm returning, etc.

2015-2016: after few years of some actual development, those that represented quality became bored, most CaV debates never even took off the ground, people representing anything have mostly withdrawn, people like me have become everything wrong with the forums, trolling all of the time, drawing others into their trolling; I was probably one of the worst things to happen to KMC at this point

2017-2018: everything evolved into utter cesspool; while mentally disabled retards from 2004 were at least trying, we now post equally retarded things for the lulz. Now the only difference is they were serious, while we are bored adults shitposting all the time.

hehe

Sometime in the near future : 7DimensionCat gets banned

How will I die, great shaman?

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Sometime in the near future : 7DimensionCat gets banned

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it happened lol

I feel bad because this is the type of subject I should have a comprehensive viewpoint on, since I've been actively posting here since January of 2006.

But tbh, everything from ~2007 to around 2018 is mostly a blur. Well, let's see...

2006: The Antediluvian represent the big boys on the block with the majority opinion; ancient Sith are all extremely overpowered, Kreia's in-universe quote about Ancient Sith throwing stars at each other is taken literally for some reason. Janus always stood out to me as the de facto leader of the group, though I was 13 at the time so the dynamic of the group might not have been recognizable to me. I was a dumb teenager so I bought most of the Ancient Sith arguments, but I argued against the group frequently because I didn't like the constant flaming. IKC and Sorgo especially were totally relentless when it came to bashing people who disagreed with them, but the whole group was pretty bad. Sorgo got banned eventually for having a sig with Hitler in it and talking shit to the mods. Numan and Palpatine's #1 fanboy Lightsnake were enemies #1 and #2. Numan was the "guy who got banned and made about 90 socks over the course of a year", TDTD is Dave aka Darth Sexy aka Dr. McBeefington no matter how much he denies it. I miss Fishy.

Here, enjoy the first thread I ever made on KMC- also Master Chief would *ABSOLUTELY* cumdumpster Jango Fett.

2007/2008: The first dark age of the Star Wars board I witnessed. Antediluvians were purged with temp bans and one or two perma's for flaming mods in the battle bar. As a result of that, Janus opened up his own board and most of them migrated there (and wew, let me tell you about the ****ing drama there). Board activity slows down, iirc Captain REX petitioned to have the swvf closed. With less Antediluvian around, Lightsnake was able to ascend and spread his pro-Sidious gospel to the boards. GM Nebaris makes his first account and buries his mouth in Bane's *******, the Nebaris wars begin. Dark Exodus aka Nephthys begins to get active. My good friend Jessiah aka Escape81 aka Gideon aka The Tempest aka The Kentucky Dawn reaches for the throne. My attention began to pivot to the video game vs forum around this time. I really, *really* wanted to have sex with Advent. All the bullshit that went on in the NJO/DN/LotF series established Luke as being the Ultimate Badass.

2009-2011: In the beginning of 2009 I was a senior and was having a lot of problems focusing in school, so I locked myself out of my account by changing my password and e-mail address to random numbers. As such I don't know much of what transpired here for that year. Anoon Bondera is the God of Star Wars because of a single hyperbolic line in a novel. The forum is mostly split between Nebaris and his endless socks, and Nephthys fellating Bane vs. Gideon fellating Sideous with other people floating in-between. Antedeluvian presence is almost non-existent beyond Faunus, Nai and Janus coming by occasionally to shitpost. I made a new account at the end of '09 but I also got a job and my activity dropped.

2012-2015: The Old Republic comes out and it's garbage. But it does breathe some life back into the forum. We get some new members, and some new characters to wank and compare to Palpatine. My activity was at an all-time low at this point and I had stopped trying to keep up with Star Wars lore at around 2010. Don't have much to say. TFA should have ushered in a new wave of enthusiasts but it didn't because Disney's been so desperate to masturbate over the OT that we've gotten very few new and interesting force users.

2016-Present: A bunch of retards migrated here from Comic Vine. They seem like nice kids for the most part though. Can't speak on the meta of the vs forum because I just don't know shit about TOR.

I really miss Zampano, Vene, Fanus, Fox, Calvin, DarthSaboteur, etc. Hope you lads are doing okay.

Can only really speak for after I joined. Can confirm that as of early 2013, Luke, Sidious, Bane, and the Ancients were all wanked to high hell here.



SWF migration began with Ant and I back in early 2013; 2014 was the second wave. Also, I don't think 2014-2016 should be packaged together; 2014 and 2015 were too distinct from one another, IMO.



Agreed.

Step up, Ant. no

you telling me tzeench is that hitsugaya guy from the battle bar archives?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I feel bad because this is the type of subject I should have a comprehensive viewpoint on, since I've been actively posting here since January of 2006.

But tbh, everything from ~2007 to around 2018 is mostly a blur. Well, let's see...

2006: The Antediluvian represent the big boys on the block with the majority opinion; ancient Sith are all extremely overpowered, Kreia's in-universe quote about Ancient Sith throwing stars at each other is taken literally for some reason. Janus always stood out to me as the de facto leader of the group, though I was 13 at the time so the dynamic of the group might not have been recognizable to me. I was a dumb teenager so I bought most of the Ancient Sith arguments, but I argued against the group frequently because I didn't like the constant flaming. IKC and Sorgo especially were totally relentless when it came to bashing people who disagreed with them, but the whole group was pretty bad. Sorgo got banned eventually for having a sig with Hitler in it and talking shit to the mods. Numan and Palpatine's #1 fanboy Lightsnake were enemies #1 and #2. Numan was the "guy who got banned and made about 90 socks over the course of a year", TDTD is Dave aka Darth Sexy aka Dr. McBeefington no matter how much he denies it. I miss Fishy.

Here, enjoy the first thread I ever made on KMC- also Master Chief would *ABSOLUTELY* cumdumpster Jango Fett.

2007/2008: The first dark age of the Star Wars board I witnessed. Antediluvians were purged with temp bans and one or two perma's for flaming mods in the battle bar. As a result of that, Janus opened up his own board and most of them migrated there (and wew, let me tell you about the ****ing drama there). Board activity slows down, iirc Captain REX petitioned to have the swvf closed. With less Antediluvian around, Lightsnake was able to ascend and spread his pro-Sidious gospel to the boards. GM Nebaris makes his first account and buries his mouth in Bane's *******, the Nebaris wars begin. Dark Exodus aka Nephthys begins to get active. My good friend Jessiah aka Escape81 aka Gideon aka The Tempest aka The Kentucky Dawn reaches for the throne. My attention began to pivot to the video game vs forum around this time. I really, *really* wanted to have sex with Advent. All the bullshit that went on in the NJO/DN/LotF series established Luke as being the Ultimate Badass.

2009-2011: In the beginning of 2009 I was a senior and was having a lot of problems focusing in school, so I locked myself out of my account by changing my password and e-mail address to random numbers. As such I don't know much of what transpired here for that year. Anoon Bondera is the God of Star Wars because of a single hyperbolic line in a novel. The forum is mostly split between Nebaris and his endless socks, and Nephthys fellating Bane vs. Gideon fellating Sideous with other people floating in-between. Antedeluvian presence is almost non-existent beyond Faunus, Nai and Janus coming by occasionally to shitpost. I made a new account at the end of '09 but I also got a job and my activity dropped.

2012-2015: The Old Republic comes out and it's garbage. But it does breathe some life back into the forum. We get some new members, and some new characters to wank and compare to Palpatine. My activity was at an all-time low at this point and I had stopped trying to keep up with Star Wars lore at around 2010. Don't have much to say. TFA should have ushered in a new wave of enthusiasts but it didn't because Disney's been so desperate to masturbate over the OT that we've gotten very few new and interesting force users.

2016-Present: A bunch of retards migrated here from Comic Vine. They seem like nice kids for the most part though. Can't speak on the meta of the vs forum because I just don't know shit about TOR.

I really miss Zampano, Vene, Fanus, Fox, Calvin, DarthSaboteur, etc. Hope you lads are doing okay.

It's so amusing and heartwarming that this entire forum and its history basically revolves around Sidious in one way or another. At first it was getting him to the top, and ever since it has been nothing but failed coups to dethrone him.

Since I've actually been able to witness all of this:

2005-2007: Source-based debating isn't yet the standard. Thus, people with basic knowledge of one era; be it KotOR, New Republic or Prequel Trilogy, assume that their era is the dominant one. The rise of Beefy, Advent(&#128522, Lightsnake, Gideon and more.

2008-2010: More posturing but sources begin to be used. Neph and the like rule the forums; Lightsnake and Beefy vanish with Gideon following suit; a new Sheev supporter TheTempest rises from the ashes. Someone called Kulvax mysteriously appears on another forum as Advent takes her last bow. Quanchi and Nai begin their perpetual reigns of terror.

2011-15:

A dark age of Bane wank reaching its pinnacle before a user named Carthage begins its downfall. ILS finally decides to get off his ass and be the only viable Maul debater. Ant and Skillz begin the TOR Wars. Trocity stays true to his name. A faction from the actual SWTOR forums crosses over as a Lady watches with great appeasement as a grand war begins. Selenial becomes the premiere KotOR II standard-bearer with ShootingNova as a new mysterious user named AncientPower appears. NewGuy begins the just rise of the Chosen One. LeGenDary debates begin; Skotia wank reaches its pinnacle and subsequent downfall. MythLord becomes the paragon all things PT.

2016-2018:

The Exar Kun war is waged. Ant's Revan wank reaches its zenith. Vader at an all-time low. ILS begins the era of Supreme Emperor Krayt, pays for it with his life. Azronger's insanity becomes irreversible. Skillz, Ant, AP and cult leader NewGuy claim indisputable supremacy of the Chosen One. The rise of SWTOR begins an unprecedented level of support against the Sheev slaves. Galan becomes the sole light in the darkness.

2019-

SWTOR begins the golden age of all KMC.

Did it die because my rules were too draconian, or because I was too lax on troublemakers? Make up your damn mind.

CoD was the best time, this site is like a beloved part of childhood for me, something with lots of best memories i'll never forget

Great history, Blax.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
you telling me tzeench is that hitsugaya guy from the battle bar archives?

yis

It seems to me that this place is in dire need of some true debating talent, and has been for some time.

Nah mate, what we need is better memes.

In 2006, this was the HIGHEST tier of internet humor.

Could you provide some evidence for the idea that better memes being posted on the forum would help the state of debating? And while you are at it, go ahead and define for me what makes a meme "better" or "worse" in your estimation, and give reasoning.

I could provide some evidence for the idea that better memes being posted on the forum would help the state of debating, yes.

Now we wait in eager anticipation for you to do so.

Why?

I am also waiting in eager anticipation. Don't let me down.

Presumably you are the kind of man who makes a point of it to back up his claims with evidence.

A bold presumption.

My apologies, m'lady.

Why were 7DimensionCat's posts removed?

Goddamn it, Galan.

What a glorious ride it has been. It was an honor to witness it from 2011 on.

Originally posted by Azronger
Why were 7DimensionCat's posts removed? Originally posted by NewGuy01
Goddamn it, Galan. Don't blame me, blame Bada.

Speaking of ye olde times, it's apparently Traya's birthday today.

Traya was probably a dude pretending to be a girl online. Also, in High School I plagiarized a short story he/she/it wrote as my own for a homework assignment in my English class, because in 2007 teachers didn't know yet that internet plagiarism was a thing.

Happy birthday!

I'd entirely forgotten Swirly, wow.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Some game changers:

- Sidious most powerful quotes
- RotS novelization mining
- Banite scaling
- SWTOR
- SF Malak quote
- Plagueis novel
Interesting that almost all of these 'game changers' are actually bullshit.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Also, in High School I plagiarized a short story he/she/it wrote as my own for a homework assignment in my English class, because in 2007 teachers didn't know yet that internet plagiarism was a thing.

well said, 9+/10 would just mention the ancient sith wankers from 2005 couldn't put up anything logical with their arguments being "ragnos looks to be super powerful because he is super ancient and one of the oldest" and "exile could reach lvl 50 in kotor 2 so she was meant to be more powerful than revan"

Originally posted by gold slorg
well said, 9+/10 would just mention the ancient sith wankers from 2005 couldn't put up anything logical with their arguments being "ragnos looks to be super powerful because he is super ancient and one of the oldest" and "exile could reach lvl 50 in kotor 2 so she was meant to be more powerful than revan" Distasteful

I remember coming here one time in the earlier days and seeing arguments about people throwing spaceships because they threw a brick. I don't think I came back for a while. Didn't even post, it was just awful all around.

I lurked a lot before making account, and after this i was reading old threads for fun.

2005-2008
Complete cringe. Nothing posted makes sense. All the most respected "debaters" are retards. The "legends" of this time would be below people today that are the lowest and not respected at all. Ridiculed people like SW Legend would wipe floor with people like Lightsnake, Janus Marius, Fishy, Darth Nefarus.

2008-2011
People begin to write things that make sense. There is some logic, people compare speed of characters, there is simple ABC Logic like Revan>Malak>Bastila. Anything crossing various eras is still non sense. Nai and Gideon can actually debate logically and wouldn't be pathetic trash today, while everyone else from this time doesn't deserve any respect.

2011-2014
Nearly golden age, some people that are good even today started posts: ILS, DarthAnt, SunRazer, EmperorDMB and many more. Debates use sources, strict logic, good rhetoric. People are also dedicated and debates are good and long.

2014-2016
This is real golden age, the best people are still posting, and there is lot of new good and intelligent debaters.

2016-2017
Decline. Half of the best oldest debaters don't care more, second half trolls. Threads start being repeating itself. Long debates are dead. Many good posters are still there, but half of content is boring or trolling.

2017-2018
More people stop posting, or troll. Only few good debaters stay in interested: Supreme Skillz, Azronger, Ellimist, DarthAnt, and rare ILS. There are almost no long debates. Everything is boring, every month is more trolling. I stop browsing, because everything is boring or trolling.

based mainly on pop history books and wikipedia

Pre-2008: Dark Ages, information about this time isn't reliable, and the dating isn't either. Some conspiracy theorists claim that beings from this time still frequent the forums, but they aren't taken seriously in the scientific community. But as far as the legends go, it was filled with weird debates, that didn't follow any rules that we know of. As time progresses we can see the first modern inventions, like Sidious wank.

2008-2012/13: Classic times, Sidious wank progressed, as did Luke wank. Ancient Wank and Bane Wank still going strong.
Ended by a massive migration.

2013-2014: The Migration period, the meta began to shift as many new tribes invaded KMC and new wank came.

2015-2016: The Glory of KMC. Debates were at a high, wars were regulary fought, and wank filled the forums.
Many of the famous members of KMC proved their worth, and despite DMBs effort Carthage survived. You all learned about this in History class

Late 2016 - 2017: The Decline. Debates became less and less common, and the quality became less, which even the arrival of Azronger and the Start of the Superfight couldn't change. Some scholars claim that Azrongers insane scaling were the blow that killed KMC, but this is disputed. Troll raids were regular, and SWTOR, led by Skillz, had several revivals after which it died off again.

2018: It started with Superfight II, and what was thought as a possible savior of KMC, was nothing more then a small candle in KMCs grave. As 2018 progressed, we saw SWTORs revival, insane wank fighting insane wank, respected members being banned, Krayt reaching godhood, Azronger battling Ant, Raz return who told Galan to deal with this forum and Omini randomly becoming top tier (which is seemingly connected with the death of JKBart and the arrival of gold slorg).

? -2005/2006: Nandritra ny ady an-trano nandritra ny Antiloziana, i Ragnos dia niady hevitra am-pahibemaso, adihevitra ratsy sy fanatsarana fototra

2006-2007: Niorina ny saha GOAT i Palpatine, i Luke dia nidradradradra, ny onjam-peo tena izy voalohany dia tonga

2007-2010: Mbola ambony indrindra i Luke sy Sidious, na dia heverina ho tsara aza ny efa antitra dia saika ny sehatra tranainy taloha + noheverina fa ambony noho ny Vader ary afaka manome ady miadana amin'ny Sidius; Nanjary nidina ny governemanta

2010-2013: aloky ny TOR sy ny adihevitra momba ny Vitiate / Palpatine, maro amin'ireo onjam-peo marobe voalohany no manomboka mandositra hatrany mandra-pahavelon'i Gideona

2014-2016: Ny SWF sy ny comicvine dia manomboka maneho ny heviny, maty ny Bane maty, Sidious vs. Vitiate no tena adihevitra lehibe, ny fiakaran'ny fanimbana fahefana, ny sehatra fahiny dia manomboka manomboka lavitra an'i Vader, manomboka eo amin'ny rindrina Anakin manakaiky ny tapitra

2017-2018: ny fiakaran'ny governemanta, ny Sidious vs. Valkorion dia mitohy, mbola mitohy kokoa ny hangona noho ny KMC amin'izao fotoana izao, ny Anakin dia manjaka haavony feno

Great posts Master Teodoro! Thank you for contributing to the forum!

What?

Originally posted by akabart
Great posts Master Teodoro! Thank you for contributing to the forum!

Misaotra indrindra anao

Originally posted by Vitiate
What?

Tsy azonao an-tsaina?

I disagree with all people here that call the 2005 debaters stupid!
They were just special!

Lightsnake

This most luminous serpent has earned the distinction of being the First Sheevite - the first of His Imperial Majesty's disciples to truly grace KMC. Lightsnake's tenacity in the face of the frothing antediluvian horde is the stuff of legend. Through endless volleys of invective, flagrant hostility, and even a death threat or two courtesy of Swirly_Girl, Lightsnake nobly carried the yoke of Enlightenment across his shoulders. Blessed be unto the Luminous Serpent.

Any links to this lightsnake? Any memorable threads?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Any links to this lightsnake? Any memorable threads?

There's no definitive moment of his that stands out, no. Lightsnake and Nai used to go round after round after round between 2005-2010.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
There's no definitive moment of his that stands out, no. Lightsnake and Nai used to go round after round after round between 2005-2010. 5 year rivalry? One thing I do know when I first joined in 07 the traffic the rabid posts would not stop. It is nothing like it was back in 07 let alone 05. Kids today have no idea how much more opposition you would face back in the glory years of kmc.

Originally posted by gold slorg
well said, 9+/10 would just mention the ancient sith wankers from 2005 couldn't put up anything logical with their arguments being "ragnos looks to be super powerful because he is super ancient and one of the oldest" and "exile could reach lvl 50 in kotor 2 so she was meant to be more powerful than revan"

yeah but most authors think that way too so in an ironic way the most stupid arguments reflect the source material best