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We all know Black Manta. King of the Optic Blasts. 1 billion dollars at the Box office and counting.

But you may not know of this obscure comic character called Cyclops. He was in a few low budget indie movies that barely anyone saw and he has optic blasts too, but its like a disability.

Can this upstart take on the reigning champ?

We using movie versions or comic versions? If we going by comic versions, I'm taking Cyclops for the win. He has some good showings with his optic blasts : focusing his laser into a tight beam and punching a hole through Blob, his famous "get off my lawn" blast, etc...

oddly enough i could see manta taking this one. he can counter the eye beam and has some other weapons to fall back on. not a stomp by any stretch, but i think i'd take manta for a slight majority here. good fight.

Not to mention if Manta gets close enough, Cyclops will be Sushi. :3

It would be like a mortal kombat fatality.

All the while Manta would be very confused, not know who this John Marston looking lad is while he skins him alive.

Cyclops would need to practice with his optic blasts a bit longer if he wants to compete with the reigning king.

Are you guys being sarcastic or serious? I can't tell sometimes on this forum. What are Black Manta's best feats/showings with his optic blasts? Does he have anything comparable to these feats :
Matching Garokk (powered by the same generators that sustained the Savage Land) in a beam war :
https://i.postimg.cc/GBzv385V/GnNMDqR.jpg

Punching a hole through a small mountain top :
https://i.postimg.cc/2Ln66g5y/Kq1xUSO.jpg

Punching a hole through Blob (this guy has fairly decent invulnerability) :
https://i.postimg.cc/qNJRJbHB/NMvSg6c.jpg

Cutting a tunnel through solid rock under the sea :
https://i.postimg.cc/XBnMfP8p/ulViYF2.jpg

The infamous, "Get off my lawn blast " :
https://i.postimg.cc/G4TchZSC/JUrLCml.jpg

Overloads mutants that absorb energy :
https://i.postimg.cc/mh6fzm92/d4TXI5A.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/WD7x28jV/2FjiUmI.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zVjhFRJB/ariLlNh.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop


The infamous, "Get off my lawn blast " :
https://i.postimg.cc/G4TchZSC/JUrLCml.jpg



He repeated the feat in Astonishing (again), but under Ellis, not Whedon.

Against Kaga's Krakoa clone.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He repeated the feat in Astonishing (again), but under Ellis, not Whedon.

Against Kaga's Krakoa clone. If he is capapble of blasting in such a large radius, then yeah Cyclops would finish this pretty quickly. :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
If he is capapble of blasting in such a large radius, then yeah Cyclops would finish this pretty quickly. :3

He is perfectly capable of it, but he would hold back. He's not a killer.

Manta has no qualms about it, which gives him an advantage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He is perfectly capable of it, but he would hold back. He's not a killer.

Manta has no qualms about it, which gives him an advantage. Could Manta one-shot Cyclops if he were to hit him with the beam?

Probably.

Cyke is not gonna just stand there, though. He can dodge the beam or obliterate it with his optic blast.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably.

Cyke is not gonna just stand there, though. He can dodge the beam or obliterate it with his optic blast. How fast can Cyclops blast a beam? :3

Fast enough.

Which is faster than Manta. :3

I say Cyclops will win, but only once he HAS to kill him.

Originally posted by zopzop
Are you guys being sarcastic or serious? I can't tell sometimes on this forum. What are Black Manta's best feats/showings with his optic blasts? Does he have anything comparable to these feats :
Matching Garokk (powered by the same generators that sustained the Savage Land) in a beam war :
https://i.postimg.cc/GBzv385V/GnNMDqR.jpg

Punching a hole through a small mountain top :
https://i.postimg.cc/2Ln66g5y/Kq1xUSO.jpg

Punching a hole through Blob (this guy has fairly decent invulnerability) :
https://i.postimg.cc/qNJRJbHB/NMvSg6c.jpg

Cutting a tunnel through solid rock under the sea :
https://i.postimg.cc/XBnMfP8p/ulViYF2.jpg

The infamous, "Get off my lawn blast " :
https://i.postimg.cc/G4TchZSC/JUrLCml.jpg

Overloads mutants that absorb energy :
https://i.postimg.cc/mh6fzm92/d4TXI5A.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/WD7x28jV/2FjiUmI.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zVjhFRJB/ariLlNh.jpg

None of these feats from this indie nobody matters.

Black Manta' s optic beams can shoot 1 billion dollars worth.

Cyclops has far, far more skilful showings with his blasts, which to be fair makes sense given not just his history, but him being portrayed as having ridiculous accuracy.

Manta on the other hand... Inconsistent as a lot of his showings might be, he has been consistently able to harm Aquaman with his blasts, even burning his skin on occasion. Cyclops has never don't that to someone THAT durable with a straight up blast. If he gets creative and tries to burrow a pencil-width-blast through Manta's helmet it might work, but I just feel like a suit built to fight Aquaman would protect Manta from all but the most devastating of Cyclops's attacks, and maybe even then some.

Cyclops' blasts can pulverize adamantium:
https://imgur.com/a/Z09mxyo

They might be able to give Black Manta pause

I was tempted to post that.

But no, Pr.

Even without that, Cyke has some crazy good feats. Easily surpassing those of Manta burning NON-bulletproof Arthur's skin.

I guess it comes down to how highly you rate Manta and Aquaman. Sure, there's the high-end Cyclops stuff, but that's hardly the standard, or what he's likely to whip out once the bell rings, and Manta isn't the type to not go for blood from the get-go.

I love how you hate the WWH feat for being "too low", but at the same time consider it "too high".

You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I love how you hate the WWH feat for being "too low", but at the same time consider it "too high".

You can't have it both ways.

What do you mean? My biggest issue with that feat is that he says he's going full power while he still has his visor on, which to me is the equivalent of Wolverine stabbing Thanos with sheathed claws. It might seem silly, but to me it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how the character's power works, and you and I have talked about how writers get even basic shit about X-Men powers wrong in the past.

I don't harbour any belief that Cyclops should be able to seriously hurt a being of that level of strength/durability. Someone like The Thing, though? Cyclops should be violently ripping his his ****ing face off, but again, has so few feats to show it. I don't believe for one second that a Sentinel is on the same level as Ben Grimm or Luke Cage.

Now, if we're talking about high-end stuff, the kind of stuff that might sway me in this case is the Sinister/Apocalypse blasts. Those are two I put a lot of weight behind, assuming I'm remembering them right.

i for one never said cyke COULDN'T win--he'd def take some. it's damn close to a split imo. in character though, i think manta would take a slight majority. this would be a fun fight to see though.

Originally posted by leonidas
i for one never said cyke COULDN'T win--he'd def take some. it's damn close to a split imo. in character though, i think manta would take a slight majority. this would be a fun fight to see though.

If I wrote the comic, I would have Cyclops win, but that's me.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I love how you hate the WWH feat for being "too low", but at the same time consider it "too high".

You can't have it both ways.

Wait. Do you think that I think that if Cyclops had taken off his visor against Hulk, that he would have done more damage to him in the actual comic? I don't think that.