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Thanos w/IG (classic) vs. Zeno

Who wins?

Zeno wipes him from existenc with ease. :3

If Thanos desires to win, he wins.

If you want to pit DB Characters against these cosmic monstrosities, you have to use Xenoverse.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
If Thanos desires to win, he wins.

If you want to pit DB Characters against these cosmic monstrosities, you have to use Xenoverse. Well, Xenoverse wins then. :3

Thanos wins.

It could be a hundred Omni Kings and the result would be the same. Thanos wins.

THanos without the IG would solo DBS quite easily

Zeno can instantly destroy the Dragonball multiverse which consists of at least 11-18 universes from time to time.

Thanos can destroy one universe.

Zeno would have more power.

Thanos w/the IG casually released a burst of energy that transcended the entire Marvel Multiverse and reached the Beyond Realm, which is so massive that the beyond-infinite Marvel Multiverse is microbial by comparison.

An incomplete IG has also overcome a weapon that can erase the entire Multiverse in an instant in the Ultimate Nullifier. The depth of sheer power and haxx the IG affords is too much for any DBS character, Zen-Oh included.

The IG also can't operate outside of a single universe.

So he just erases 616 from the outside.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Thanos w/the IG casually released a burst of energy that transcended the entire Marvel Multiverse and reached the Beyond Realm, which is so massive that the beyond-infinite Marvel Multiverse is microbial by comparison.

An incomplete IG has also overcome a weapon that can erase the entire Multiverse in an instant in the Ultimate Nullifier. The depth of sheer power and haxx the IG affords is too much for any DBS character, Zen-Oh included.

While you are hardly wrong on DBZ this one I am afraid you are.

IG has no power outside the universe it is from.

Zeno stomps

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
While you are hardly wrong on DBZ this one I am afraid you are.

IG has no power outside the universe it is from. This is true, but given that this is Thanos with the IG versus Zeno it obviously is taking place within the universe it works in.

And within that universe, Thanos is considerably more powerful.

Zeno's only hope would be to leave the universe to attack it from outside.

Which is unfortunately impossible for him, as Thanos within that universe has full control over space and time due to the titular gems, and as such has literally eternity to kill Zeno before Zeno could so much as process a thought.

Thanos with the IG is essentially God of the universe he's in. Zeno isn't.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Thanos w/the IG casually released a burst of energy that transcended the entire Marvel Multiverse and reached the Beyond Realm, which is so massive that the beyond-infinite Marvel Multiverse is microbial by comparison.

That's Incorrect. At the time of IG saga, Beyond realm was located in Negative Zone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Myth: Thanos affected Beyonders home which was outside multiverse.

https://i.postimg.cc/7Cc8pfpz/6212711-1262309503-s-Nbyp.jpg

At the time IG was published, the realm of Beyonders was inside Negative Zone as per FF annual 23.

https://i.postimg.cc/9R62qrb2/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4npkS4wK/6731408-4756116545-67312.jpg
Mythbusted.



That's just an outlier for nullifier. At the time of Infinity War where Quasar was erased, Nullifier never had such a feat and the effect of Nullifier was reversed by a portion of Starbrand.

https://i.postimg.cc/TLBGDSqs/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/n97xYk3h/image.jpg

IG has never been more than universal.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This is true, but given that this is Thanos with the IG versus Zeno it obviously is taking place within the universe it works in.

And within that universe, Thanos is considerably more powerful.

Zeno's only hope would be to leave the universe to attack it from outside.

Which is unfortunately impossible for him, as Thanos within that universe has full control over space and time due to the titular gems, and as such has literally eternity to kill Zeno before Zeno could so much as process a thought.

Thanos with the IG is essentially God of the universe he's in. Zeno isn't.
Not really, Maelstorm with the power of Infinity and Quantum bands was able to go toe to toe with Thanos in a what if and handbooks outright tell that 616 Maelstorm was superior to IG Thanos.

Originally posted by carver9
Zeno stomps





Not because of the logic it's just he's so predictable. You could make a bot with pre-programmed responses, no one would tell the difference.

Inside the Universe Thanos stomps. But couldn't Zeno erase Thanos Universe from the outside?

Why would they be fighting from two separate universes?

Originally posted by Galan007
Why would they be fighting from two separate universes?

I meant inside his (Thanos) Universe, where his power is absolute. Zeno erased the Universe from another Universe. So it depends on how far we can stretch the bfr argument imo. Zeno could leave Thanos Universe before Thanos kills him. From the outside he could erase it. Neutral Battlground would mean imo that the IG works for Thanos like the Universe he is currently in would be the native Universe of the IG. However, since it's power is restricted to the native Universe everything outside is out of reach. So if the BG is a single Universe Thanos wins. If it's a Multiverse I see Zeno as the judge, erasing it from the outside.

Is there a reason to assume that Thanos couldn't shield his universe(or at the very least, himself) from Zen-Oh's erasure?

Because even if Zen-Oh managed to erase Thanos' universe, the empty void that remains is still his to command, and he still has his complete power there.

Originally posted by Galan007
Is there a reason to assume that Thanos couldn't shield his universe(or at the very least, himself) from Zen-Oh's erasure?

Because even if Zen-Oh managed to erase Thanos' universe, the empty void that remains is still his to command, and he still has his complete power there.
If the Universe is erased the stones lose their power. And i gave my opinion and reasoning. Multiversal > Universal. That's how I see it, you can disagree. shrug

The IG still retains its full power even if its native universe is reduced to an empty void.

Example- the universe that Doom's IG came from had been completely erased, yet when Doom teleported to said void he was capable of immediately whipping up a new universe from scratch:
http://i.imgur.com/U6OlgDGm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/b8lp2O7m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QeU6UeVm.jpg

...which tells us that it still retains its full power in that space, whether a physical universe is present or not.

Originally posted by Galan007
The IG still retains its full power even if its native universe is reduced to an empty void.

Example- the universe that Doom's IG came from had been completely erased, yet when Doom teleported to said void he was capable of immediately whipping up a new universe from scratch:
http://i.imgur.com/U6OlgDGm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/b8lp2O7m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QeU6UeVm.jpg

...which tells us that it still retains its full power in that space, whether a physical universe is present or not.

Zeno erases it completely and not even the void is left.

Not true.

When Zen-Oh erased the entire U10 timeline in order to kill Zamasu, the space/void where the universe used to be still existed. That's how Goku was able to travel back to that point and retrieve the second Zen-Oh, who was just floating around in said void.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not true.

When Zen-Oh erased the entire U10 timeline in order to kill Zamasu, the space/void where the universe used to be still existed. That's how Goku was able to travel back to that point and retrieve the second Zen-Oh, who was just floating around in said void.
This time he erases it properly and completely.

Thanos gets erased.

Originally posted by carver9
Thanos gets erased. Zeno gets erased first. :3

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
This time he erases it properly and completely. https://i.imgur.com/tTbthA5.jpg

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
This time he erases it properly and completely. Based on what?

What evidence do you have that he erases everything, even the void of the universe?

I mean, do we have reason to suspect that Zen-Oh's erasure ability has more than one 'setting'? Because to me it seems like his erasure simply is what it is: basically the equivalent of nullification in Marvel.

With that in mind, after Zen-Oh erased the future U10 timeline, the voidspace itself was still very much intact afterward(as mentioned, that's why there was still a 'place' for Goku to travel back to, and a 'place' for Zen-Oh to be floating in.)

So again, even IF we assume that Zen-Oh starts off in a different universe from Thanos here, and even IF we assume that he manages to erase the physical universe Thanos is in, so long as Thanos shields himself from said nullification, his IG would still retain its full potency/Godhood... Even if his universe is reduced to an empty void.

^No, Zeno can erase the Universe or everything in it. Take a book, either he erases all the drawings inside and only the balank page remains (and the second Zeno) or he burns the page. If he burns the page there is nothing left that the IG can controll. While being a part of the page the IG could be above him, outside of it he is supreme. As for your assumptions, that's what I said in the first place.
"So if the BG is a single Universe Thanos wins. If it's a Multiverse I see Zeno as the judge, erasing it from the outside."

Zeno's erasure is much more through than simply destroying a universe.

This is the space between universes.
https://i.imgur.com/j82D8Z0.jpg
This is the world of Void, with no space and time.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6815/179b2c5af532228851623c8a214a91f045321d0cv2_hq.jpg
Where Zeno was.
https://i.imgur.com/xa1evyZ.jpg
Manga Version

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IQW6sIAFl-g/WXNmKmwKnjI/AAAAAAABC2g/UZHylYpItHQgbCxDI9ZPHKDS3mOjE2StwCHMYBhgL/s16000/0026-023.pnghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WTto1xaJEBc/WXNmK43BCTI/AAAAAAABC2k/zgFf7pnJ51InKvn3VvDK_JSCIPxkvakEwCHMYBhgL/s16000/0026-024.pnghttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8w1GNdE_PDI/WXNmNVctv7I/AAAAAAABC3I/wb7a1SJX5tsR5JhFeJyqeY1bdPEGy2QYACHMYBhgL/s16000/0026-033.png

Zen-Oh utterly erases/nullifies the physical universe, yes. However, the voidspace that said universe(s) used to occupy still remains afterward. Again, the 'place' that Goku traveled back to when he retrieved the second Zen-Oh was the void that remained from U10's erasure(*see the oversized images posted above*.) If Zen-Oh were capable of erasing even the void itself, then Goku wouldn't have had a location to travel back to in the first place.

So once more: as long as the void of its native universe is still present, the IG retains its full power... And there is NO evidence that Zen-Oh can erase a universe so completely that not even a void remains(quite the opposite actually.)

Zeno is so stupid that Thanos should be able to trick him as long as he manages to at least survive.

I mean we saw him floatting in an empty void even when there are clearly other universes he could've traveled to.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Zen-Oh were capable of erasing even the void itself, then Goku wouldn't have had a location to travel back to in the first place.


That's areally illogical argument.

If someone has the power to casually destroy everything in a Universe or multiple Universes he surely isn't incapable of erasing the void too. Maybe his twin was the reason the void remained or he just targeted the matter. Any assumption, even yours, can be the reason. Acting like someone can't do something less impressive just because he didn't do it for unknown reasons is imo unreasonable. Or is there an actual statement that says "Erasing the Void is even beyond Zenos power!!!11"?.

Anyway, this is getting boring, you have your opinion set. Agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Bentley
Zeno is so stupid that Thanos should be able to trick him as long as he manages to at least survive.

I mean we saw him floatting in an empty void even when there are clearly other universes he could've traveled to.

Every char in DB is an idiot. Fictional characters are seldom more intelligent than their creators.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
That's areally illogical argument.

If someone has the power to casually destroy everything in a Universe or multiple Universes he surely isn't incapable of erasing the void too. Maybe his twin was the reason the void remained or he just targeted the matter. Any assumption, even yours, can be the reason. Acting like someone can't do something less impressive just because he didn't do it for unknown reasons is imo unreasonable. Or is there an actual statement that says "Erasing the Void is even beyond Zenos power!!!11"?.

Anyway, this is getting boring, you have your opinion set. Agree to disagree. For the purposes of these discussions, all we can go by is what the characters in question have actually done on-panel/screen. Trying to substantiate our arguments exclusively with personal conjecture and no-limits fallacies seems entirely illogical.

...And based on Zen-Oh's current erasue showings, the IG wins regardless of the circumstances. Imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
For the purposes of these discussions, all we can go by is what the characters in question have actually done on-panel/screen. Trying to substantiate our arguments exclusively with personal conjecture and no-limits fallacies seems entirely illogical.

...And based on Zen-Oh's current erasue showings, the IG wins regardless of the circumstances. Imo.
It's the opposite of the no limits fallacy, if you look at it logically.

But yeah, it boils down to personal opinions.

Fair enough.