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DD absolutely obliterates him.

DD,mongul in exile story arc even been stunned by a very weaken superman(though he defeat superman in this issues previous plot,but this because superman have benn drained by his fights and lack sun's energy,later plot superman regain some of his power,then with one onslaught,defeat mongul)

If this was Mongul senior, I could see an argument being made for him. Mongul Jr dies though.

Originally posted by deathslash
If this was Mongul senior, I could see an argument being made for him. Mongul Jr dies though.

Buy new glasses, bro

The only Mongul for whom a case can be made is the Pre-Crisis one.

DoS DD beats post Crisis Mongul Sr. and Mongul Jr. simultaneously, while his sister, Mongal, watches helplessly.

Please use Pre-Crisis

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Buy new glasses, bro damn it. This is what happens when I'm tired. Mongul Sr holds his own for a while and even gets some really good hits in, but he just isn't going to win this IMO.

No, he is just getting demolished.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he is just getting demolished. I would think that you of all people would give some props to the guy that gave superman so much trouble in the past....

Like the guy who actually killed Supes?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like the guy who actually killed Supes? yeah, but Mongul starts at full power, whereas Doomsday doesn't. That should give Mongul a chance to actually get some good hits in before he goes down IMO.

Originally posted by deathslash
I would think that you of all people would give some props to the guy that gave superman so much trouble in the past....
Mongul sr? Even Henshaw made him his *****.

Senior raped Superman so hard, DC needed to introduce Junior who was his total opposite, Killer Croc level jobber.

Mongul Jr was actually far more impressive than Sr.

Lies.

Senior was restored to Pre Crisis level post IC. to

Originally posted by deathslash
yeah, but Mongul starts at full power, whereas Doomsday doesn't. ?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
?

Plenty of posters argue that Doomsday grew more powerful as DoS arc proceeded.

Some Galans don't agree with that, though.

Even if he didn't, he was strong enough to take on Booster Gold and a Justice League roster before he went up against Supes and Supes was aided by the huge laser cannon of that scientist and some fodder jetpack soldiers. DoS wasn't just DD vs. Superman. I don't see Mongul replicating this stuff at all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mongul sr? Even Henshaw made him his *****.

He was also manhandling Superman so badly, Kyle Rayner had to bail him out.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/mar-vell-vs-mongul-1516744/

Entire fight down the page, minus the final few panels.


Mongul is throttling him at the end.

Originally posted by cdtm
He was also manhandling Superman so badly, Kyle Rayner had to bail him out. mongul certainly could stalement superman a while,but is far less then doomsday did to superman,he literally killing superman.and in green lantern 54,this fight superman and monul neither been pinpoint who is had advantage in this battle.and mongul has been beaten by a drained superman in previous plot
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K2Wn1RZnFF0/W0AZUev9-lI/AAAAAAAAKy4/f-C7mdUB3uwaRq1iXTaitniVp8PfHIqKgCHMYCw/s0/RCO036.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f-UJA0JIO1o/W0AZU5Q1zVI/AAAAAAAAKy8/jPdEtl-Xcr0zlnsAql7ycFIcxIVw62gWACHMYCw/s0/RCO037.jpg
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Originally posted by cdtm
He was also manhandling Superman so badly, Kyle Rayner had to bail him out.
One panel of Mongul fighting Superman doesn't changes his overall record. Mongul had to flee from ****ing Draaga of all people.

One other thing people forget is that DoS Doomsday is portrayed as superior to Pre Crisis level Pocket Universe Kryptonians.

Originally posted by panthergod
One other thing people forget is that DoS Doomsday is portrayed as superior to Pre Crisis level Pocket Universe Kryptonians.

Cant be true. He failed to kill Booster Gold (who didnt have his shields up) or Guy (who didnt have his shields up) after a long beating. I doubt what you're saying is true, OOOOORRR, those are some weak kryptonians.

Originally posted by carver9
Cant be true. He failed to kill Booster Gold (who didnt have his shields up) or Guy (who didnt have his shields up) after a long beating. I doubt what you're saying is true, OOOOORRR, those are some weak kryptonians.


Booster had his Brainiac 5 shields and Sinestro's ring automatically saved Guy.

Mongul matched and defeated a Superman far superior to DoS era (who was a high end mid tier with the exception of huge outliers). DoS Doomsday best striking feat is shaking the earth, which is a mountain busting feat since a nuke can shake the entire earth as well.

The Superman that Mongul fought and overpowered was able to destroy half the moon with a single punch, that's enough power to leave a gaping USA sized hole in planet Earth.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Mongul matched and defeated a Superman far superior to DoS era (who was a high end mid tier with the exception of huge outliers). DoS Doomsday best striking feat is shaking the earth, which is a mountain busting feat since a nuke can shake the entire earth as well.

The Superman that Mongul fought and overpowered was able to destroy half the moon with a single punch, that's enough power to leave a gaping USA sized hole in planet Earth.

Stop pretending you have anything valid to say here if you are arguing that Byrne Superman is a mid tier. Please prove that sh!tclaim. And yes, quantifying area of effect/space cheese is laughable as a method of comparison in comparison to relative portrayals.

you aren't apparently capable enough to accurately interpret storytelling conventions of superhero comics., and that is extremely sad.

@H1

If this happened all in the same story then those characters were weak. Example, if Thor failed to lift 10 tons and in the same comic overpowered and beat Mangog to death with his fist, Mangog would be weak as crap to me.

Didn't Doomsday get stronger as the story progressed?

Originally posted by carver9
@H1

If this happened all in the same story then those characters were weak. Example, if Thor failed to lift 10 tons and in the same comic overpowered and beat Mangog to death with his fist, Mangog would be weak as crap to me.

So in that story, asgardians were weak as humans and Thor was even weaker?

And what about contradictory showings?
What if DD has a legit class 100 feat in DOS, do you still gauge him off his lows?

Originally posted by h1a8
So in that story, asgardians were weak as humans and Thor was even weaker?

And what about contradictory showings?
What if DD has a legit class 100 feat in DOS, do you still gauge him off his lows?

Depends. What is the class 100 showing in the FULL fight we saw?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Doomsday get stronger as the story progressed?

It depends. How much stronger did he get from being able to pound on someone (without holding back) that had human level durability without killing him? Did he become Hulk level within that short span? The gap from being at this level to jumping in the high Herald range of strength is HUGE. Then, let's not forget what else happened in that story as well. Maxima and Superman are considered high tier beings and a small explosion took both of them out. You have high end heralds these days walking through nuclear blasts. Example, I would put Stardust and Bill fight>>>>>>>>>>>>everything that happened in that story line with DOS Doomsday. The portrayal of them was pretty bad.

Remember, Jane couldnt stop a meteor which iyo made her weak to you in the Avengers book.

Originally posted by carver9
It depends. How much stronger did he get from being able to pound on someone (without holding back) that had human level durability without killing him? Did he become Hulk level within that short span? The gap from being at this level to jumping in the high Herald range of strength is HUGE. Then, let's not forget what else happened in that story as well. Maxima and Superman are considered high tier beings and a small explosion took both of them out. You have high end heralds these days walking through nuclear blasts. Example, I would put Stardust and Bill fight>>>>>>>>>>>>everything that happened in that story line with DOS Doomsday. The portrayal of them was pretty bad.

Remember, Jane couldnt stop a meteor which iyo made her weak to you in the Avengers book.

Hulk got the living shit kicked out of him by Captain America. BRB's superior Thor gets wrecked by masonry and bullets. Surfer got wrecked by coffee and Mexicans with hammers.

what in the hell are you talking about? You can't possibly this genuinely dense, can you?

Stardust and BRb would get mauled by DoS Doomsday, who outperformed PRe-Crisis level Kryptonians, and Starbreaker -- a Galactus level being-- Nova level attacks.

You do NOT want to get into a space cheese comparison here. Stop being slow. Yes, human lkevel opponents that writers dont want to see evapor ated on panel surive attacks from Herald level beings. Like Batman. please argue that Blue Beetle and Batman are top tier in durability. Please, make me laugh. Entertain me.

Originally posted by panthergod
Stop pretending you have anything valid to say here if you are arguing that Byrne Superman is a mid tier. Please prove that sh!tclaim. And yes, quantifying area of effect/space cheese is laughable as a method of comparison in comparison to relative portrayals.

Superman's best strength feat in that time period (correct me if I'm wrong) is throwing a space ship the size of a small moon. That's roughly country level or large island level, average size is that of Turkey or Spain.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11136/111360864/6647843-moon.jpg

Low Herald is like continent-moon level (the actual Moon, which is a name and far bigger than 90% of other "moons".

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Superman's best strength feat in that time period (correct me if I'm wrong) is throwing a space ship the size of a small moon. That's roughly country level or large island level, average size is that of Turkey or Spain.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11136/111360864/6647843-moon.jpg

Low Herald is like continent-moon level (the actual Moon, which is a name and far bigger than 90% of other "moons". i think it's should be superman in justice league feat,he in weaken state break through from planet core,and seal planet 1/3(more or less)and been narration state he could flatten asteroids

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Superman's best strength feat in that time period (correct me if I'm wrong) is throwing a space ship the size of a small moon. That's roughly country level or large island level, average size is that of Turkey or Spain.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11136/111360864/6647843-moon.jpg

Low Herald is like continent-moon level (the actual Moon, which is a name and far bigger than 90% of other "moons".

I thought he was amped during this scene?

It's like you're not even pretending not to be biased anymore, Carter.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Superman's best strength feat in that time period (correct me if I'm wrong) is throwing a space ship the size of a small moon. That's roughly country level or large island level, average size is that of Turkey or Spain.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11136/111360864/6647843-moon.jpg

Low Herald is like continent-moon level (the actual Moon, which is a name and far bigger than 90% of other "moons".
Three daxamites moved Earth and Mon-El moved a dwarf star and threw a planet at time trapper in the same era.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said Superman alone did it? Also, about moving planets, Mon-El has actually thrown planets at time trapper and moved stars.

To give you an idea of Mon-El, he moves white dwarf stars between solar systems, and throws planets at Time Trapper:

https://imgur.com/a/ZZty3Ds

https://imgur.com/a/ob4vOxO

https://imgur.com/a/kl7EmYv

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https://imgur.com/a/seO68ND

https://imgur.com/a/dQrhcDX

https://imgur.com/a/O1JjaKe

And even moved Earth with two other daxamites.

https://i.postimg.cc/YhcFmvy7/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/VdjC9z3C/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xX5N7tjj/image.jpg

And yet, even Byrne Superman can't be restrained by Mon along with several heroes.

https://i.postimg.cc/hhMvbMsK/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zVBBdW2K/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/6ymQF3FS/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/gxL0ppW0/image.jpg

Modern Superman casually tosses off four daxamites at the same time.

https://i.postimg.cc/MXg44Jd5/RCO004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1f6T17dQ/RCO005.jpg

Shut up carter.

I love how even the last line is still pertinent.

Byrne Superman moved the Earth Moon system, despite not realizing he had the level of power. Yes, that the intent of the scene. And it's not arguable by anyone literate. Hoping there was a mass negating field did not magically create one.

I think that Doomsday is too much for Mongul. He's just too savage and unrelenting.

One thing for sure, both Mongul Sr and Jr has owned Wonder Whore

https://i.imgur.com/SWQk7mi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ly5SxWk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rTJHnKM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zSOoAUi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Icdwz8G.jpg

Lol Batman straight up tanked that lmao

the way batsy touches supes face with tear in his eyes
https://i.imgur.com/2Mtt4S5.jpg

Note even Mongul knows that Batman is the valuable one.

https://i2.wp.com/static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111138490/3494797-mongul_v_justice_league_infinite_crisis_1_003.jpg

'Batman...?'

'I'm OK.'

Didn't even ask about WW, lol.