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just straight up wreck his shit with ease.

xavier has cerebro.

I am so inept on TP subject

but imo MMH at his best is Cassandra Nova level who could rape Prof X easily

No one, DC has shite for Telepaths.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
No one, DC has shite for Telepaths.

Originally posted by MrMind
I am so inept on TP subject

but imo MMH at his best is Cassandra Nova level who could rape Prof X easily

For real? Prof has cerebero as well y'know.

Originally posted by Deadline
For real? Prof has cerebero as well y'know.

yeah that shit really amps him

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
No one, DC has shite for Telepaths.

partially true for current dc you are right, saturn girl was still op back in the day though

That's actually a missconception, imo. DC has just as many high end telepaths as MU has, it's just that they are not shown as much.

Brainiac (Multiple versions)
Saturn Girl
Despero
Dominus
Esperlass
Universo
Ultra-Humanite
Brainwave Sr.
Etc...

Fine Brainiac.

Hector "God Brain" Hammond would reduce Xavier into a steaming pile of cripple parts with a thought.

Ahh, I forgot about the God Brain. Hector would own MMH, too.

Possibly The Union.

Especially the continental sized spaceship full of disembodied brains powering it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hector "God Brain" Hammond would reduce Xavier into a steaming pile of cripple parts with a thought.

no

Nice debating. Lol

No one.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
No one, DC has shite for Telepaths.



Not gonna lie, I missed your quality posts http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon12.gif

if you talk about maxima wreckage brainiac,this actually happened before brainiac get his next upgrade,brainiac next upgrade his TP power has been increased to easily brainwashing entire earth,and easily defeat a bunch of new gods,and even been implied he has use his TP power change reality(create another superman,saviour power essentially come from brainiac)

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
if you talk about maxima wreckage brainiac,this actually happened before brainiac get his next upgrade,brainiac next upgrade his TP power has been increased to easily brainwashing entire earth,and easily defeat a bunch of new gods,and even been implied he has use his TP power change reality(create another superman,saviour power essentially come from brainiac)

True Brainiac is a universal level telepath. The one you're mentioning is just a construct. He'd crush Xavier, too.

deadpool..

Psycho Pirate

Originally posted by abhilegend
Psycho Pirate

abhi got the right answer
http://www.monitorduty.com/imgs/oldimages/psycho.jpg

The mask isn't TP though

Brainwave Jr.

Starro.
Despero

So,

Starro
Despero
Psycho Pirate
Hector Hammond

Anyone else?

Brainwave. Using just his tech, Batman was able to hide from multiple AMPED White Martians.

Maxima.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Brainwave. Using just his tech, Batman was able to hide from multiple AMPED White Martians.

Brainwave relies on tech? How powerful is he?

Pre 52 (since I'm not up on nu52 DC Tpers), only Despero and Saturn girl could mind rape him. I'd still say they have to work for it.

Brainwave Jr had the chops to TP assault him enough but since he lacked the defense it would turn for Xavier quickly.

Brainwave Snr would be xavier equal roughly.

Starro wasnt a TPer (I know that has changed though).

I would say Ultra Humanite and MMH were both a bit behind Xavier. For all the lip service that said Ultra was Brainwave Snr equal (most from Ultra) we only have the one actual battle between and since that was when BW was basically still in Limbo after months(and had been mentally helping his son from there the entire time) a dimension that Saps those there of their will power -proven by how it affected Hal and Alan) and Ultra had just returned Hank king was hardly operating at his peak and his feats were certainly well above Ultra

So in Terror Incognita, Batman used Brainwave's tech:

https://i.postimg.cc/tZwz0XHp/RCO009-1469172148.jpg

To sneak past dozen(s?) of amped White Martians:
https://i.postimg.cc/k6Byh2zT/RCO017-1469172148.jpg
They were amping themselves to unspecified levels:
https://i.postimg.cc/Cn8sSWFD/2648907-1.png

Dr Ray Palmer

Morgaine Le Fey.

1 Daxamite.

1 Animal Man.

B.W. w Prep.

StC would absolutely destroy Professor X.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So in Terror Incognita, Batman used Brainwave's tech:

https://i.postimg.cc/tZwz0XHp/RCO009-1469172148.jpg

To sneak past dozen(s?) of amped White Martians:
https://i.postimg.cc/k6Byh2zT/RCO017-1469172148.jpg
They were amping themselves to unspecified levels:
https://i.postimg.cc/Cn8sSWFD/2648907-1.png

Kang once sneaked upon Doctor Strange. I guess he's a top tier magician now.

My point was that Bats used that tech specifically to block all those amped Martians, who specifically said they were unable to detect him.

So that tech from Brainwave is just that uber.

Besides, we've seen in Marvel how tech can trump magic

you think despero can really rape charlie? maybe, but i'm not 100% sure. i think despero is stronger, but i don't think it would be a rape. charlie has some pretty crazy tp feats.

Originally posted by leonidas
you think despero can really rape charlie? maybe, but i'm not 100% sure. i think despero is stronger, but i don't think it would be a rape. charlie has some pretty crazy tp feats.

He pretty casually mind raped MMH and Aquaman simultaineously and they jointly TP assaulted him first. I dont See Jonn as Xavier level but IMHO he isnt that far behind. Him plus Arthur is certainly enough to show he could do it to Charles IMO.

sure, like i said, i think he would overcome charles, but that combo fight was off-panel so not really sure how despero won it exactly. i just don't see despero rape/stomping charlie. /shrug

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
no Yes.

Hammond's TP is so potent that he was able to casually(and I mean without exerting any effort whatsoever) overpower the collective group of Controllers, thereby severing their connection to the Darkstars:
https://i.imgur.com/OltmRrb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GFHl9Js.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yUZjKEf.jpg

And with an equal degree of ease, he telepathically manipulated a group of 'heroes' a bit earlier in the story:
https://i.imgur.com/dtY0wJh.jpg
*Note that Orion is among the group.

This implies that Hammond's TP has now evolved to such an extent that he can effortlessly overpower the telepathic protection granted by Orion's MotherBox(which he was previously unable to do):
https://i.imgur.com/j8UW6sA.jpg

...Which is absolutely staggering, tbh.

Didn't he also learn or was learning the "secrets of the universe" or some such? Not sure how it would help in mindraping prof X and I know it sounds a bit hyperbolic, but was quite impressive.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes.

Hammond's TP is so potent that he was able to casually(and I mean without exerting any effort whatsoever) overpower the collective group of Controllers:
https://i.imgur.com/OltmRrb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GFHl9Js.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yUZjKEf.jpg

And with an equal degree of ease, he telepathically manipulated a group of 'heroes' a bit earlier in the story:
https://i.imgur.com/dtY0wJh.jpg
*Note that Orion is among the group.

This implies that Hammond's TP has now evolved to such an extent that he can casually overpower the telepathic protection granted by Orion's MotherBox(which he was previously unable to do):
https://i.imgur.com/j8UW6sA.jpg

...Which is absolutely staggering, tbh.

is this a consistent new level for him, or was this a temp amp? or do we not know yet?

That's his standard level now. His mind/psionic powers are constantly evolving.

then yeah, hammond is definitely well above charlie.

Jemm is a potential candidate.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes.

Hammond's TP is so potent that he was able to casually(and I mean without exerting any effort whatsoever) overpower the collective group of Controllers, thereby severing their connection to the Darkstars:
https://i.imgur.com/OltmRrb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GFHl9Js.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yUZjKEf.jpg

And with an equal degree of ease, he telepathically manipulated a group of 'heroes' a bit earlier in the story:
https://i.imgur.com/dtY0wJh.jpg
*Note that Orion is among the group.

This implies that Hammond's TP has now evolved to such an extent that he can effortlessly overpower the telepathic protection granted by Orion's MotherBox(which he was previously unable to do):
https://i.imgur.com/j8UW6sA.jpg

...Which is absolutely staggering, tbh.

these controllers were weakened. scan says their psionic powers are being sapped

Context: the Controllers were focused solely on maintaining the telepathic link between themselves and the Darkstars(which is why Hal and Hammond were able to get so close to them without garnering their attention and getting attacked.) That's what Hal was referring to in that scan.

That said, Hammond severed their telepathic link with NO visible effort at all... And effortlessly kept it severed to allow the GL's enough time to beat the Darkstars:
https://i.imgur.com/3P9u1EE.jpg

Anyway you look at it, Hammond telepathically trounced the collective group of Controllers. Casually.

Originally posted by Galan007
Context: the Controllers were focused solely on maintaining the telepathic link between themselves and the Darkstars(which is why Hal and Hammond were able to get so close to them without garnering their attention and getting attacked.) That's what Hal was referring to in that scan.

That said, Hammond severed their telepathic link with NO visible effort at all... And effortlessly kept it severed to allow the GL's enough time to beat the Darkstars:
https://i.imgur.com/3P9u1EE.jpg

Anyway you look at it, Hammond telepathically trounced the collective group of Controllers.

Yeah but how powerful are these controllers in rebirth? Thor, Phoenix force user, etc has fallen victim to Xavier's tp Before

In the same scan Hal states that the Controllers are some of the most powerful minds the GLC has EVER encountered.

Originally posted by Galan007
In the same scan Hal states that the Controllers are some of the most powerful minds the GLC has EVER encountered.

doesn't really give me anything. are you willing to take a statement over beings with actual tp resistance feats?

Note that Hal said the Controllers have the most powerful minds the Corps has ever encountered. Hammond basically severed their link, casually. Insane.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
doesn't really give me anything. are you willing to take a statement over beings with actual tp resistance feats? Do I have a reason to assume Hal would lie in that situation?

Originally posted by Galan007
Do I have a reason to assume Hal would lie in that situation?

no. but what is it proving?

*one* of, not *the*

Hector is clearly one of the most powerful psions on earth (as he battled several high end telepaths) and this is before he evolved. He's above the likes of Xavier or even Cassandra, IMO.

It proves that out of ALL the beings the GLC has EVER encountered(which essentially equates to the entire universe), the Controllers have among most powerful minds/TP.

...And Hammond overpowered them with basically no effort at all.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Didn't he also learn or was learning the "secrets of the universe" or some such? Not sure how it would help in mindraping prof X and I know it sounds a bit hyperbolic, but was quite impressive.

If he were to learn the secret of the Universe, he could potentially interact with the Source.

Originally posted by SquallX
If he were to learn the secret of the Universe, he could potentially interact with the Source.
nvm..
scan was posted.

Thinking Dominus could.

He was essentially a cosmic level telepath who altered reality from thoughts. Only the Kryptonian "theta state" could really counter him (Which essentially alters the brainwaves, so Superman could control the mindscape in a tp dual)

That, or strong emotions like love. And since it's Professor X. genuine emotion from that ******* is NOT a concern.

Originally posted by leonidas
sure, like i said, i think he would overcome charles, but that combo fight was off-panel so not really sure how despero won it exactly. i just don't see despero rape/stomping charlie. /shrug

Fair enough, i did say he and SG would still have to work for it. Maybe rape was the wrong word. IMHO those 2 are the only DC TPers pre 52 who would beat him for a clean majority.

Superman!

No, seriously. Post crisis Tarquism-Vo was made for this.

Has Starro been said?

And with regards to Hammond: if Hal is the same as pre Flashpoint, then Hammond being one of the most powerful TP user he's ever encountered...