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Kubik vs. Franklin Richards

Who wins?

Kubik puts him out of all our misery. Kubik ftw.

Hard to say, but considering Kubik is stated to be inferior to a celestial. There's no reason why too think that Franklin is above Kubik's pay grade as hes already beaten celestials.

Franklin, decisively.

It's fairly straightforward.
Kubik:
https://imgur.com/a/0VX14aP
Franklin:
https://imgur.com/a/yo86Gpe

Originally posted by zopzop
How? Cubes and Cube Beings have feats that crap all over Franklin. Shaper of Worlds' power was enough to recreate the universe after God Doom's shenanigans. It was even great enough to RECREATE (not just resurrect) cosmic beings like Galactus. There's an implication that 616 Galactus just shelled himself off from Secret Wars in his own gravity well. If that's the case, then it's especially questionable of the Galactus that Shaper created.
Though it did create some fancy stuff aside from that.

Uhh... what

Are you arguing that the gas giant confused them and not instantly appearing somewhere else? I'm not even sure I get the correlation even if it were the gas giant that did confuse them... ? And why the distance matters...

You're really zip zap zopping pretty hard with this one.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Uhh... what

Are you arguing that the gas giant confused them and not instantly appearing somewhere else?
I'm not implying anything. It's right there on panel. They were disoriented by a simple BFR into a gas giant a couple of million miles away.

An immature didn't skip a beat being BFRed millions of light years away into a black hole.

Imagine if Franklin tped them into a star or a black hole light years away? The Rogue Trio would be screwed.

Well, like the old saying goes:


Zippidy zap, zippidy zop
You need to stop
Zopzop

Zippidy zap, zippidy zop
You need to stop
Zopzop
one day you'll be One big Mob

Originally posted by MrMind
Zippidy zap, zippidy zop
You need to stop
Zopzop
one day you'll be One big Mob

Reported .

I love how Franklin dazzling three Celestials is thrown here as a low feat.

Originally posted by Bentley
I love how Franklin dazzling three Celestials is thrown here as a low feat.
What's so hard to understand?

Three Rogue Celestials were dazed/confused for a little while by being tped a couple of million miles away into a gas giant (Jupiter).

An Immature Kubik was completely unfazed after being tped millions of LIGHT YEARS into the LARGEST BLACK HOLE in the Andromeda Galaxy. In fact, he laughed at the attempt.

This wasn't meant to be the end all be all comparison between the characters. Just showing how each reacted to being BFRed. Kubik had it worse than the Rogues and handled it infinitely better.

The scan with Kubik laughing off the BFR attempt had the real prize. A war between Kubik and his equal, the Adaptoid with Kubik's power, would have destroyed the fabric of creation and extended into infinite dimensions and adjacent universes.

Then we have Kubik tooling post retcon Beyonder and his entire universe. Post Retcon Beyonder still had numerous impressive multiversal feats to his name.

Finally we have a little girl tapping into Kubik's power (while he was still immature) and removing all the stars in the universe and putting them into a pocket dimension she created inside a bag (Defenders 150). The reason why she didn't outright destroy all existence is because she was a child and had a limited understanding of the universe as a whole.

Originally posted by zopzop
It really isn't though.

Adult Franklin BFRed the Rogue Trio into 'the heart of a nearby gas giant". The Rogue Trio was actually baffled/confused by what was going on and it bought the FF and Franklin time to plan. Since they were all on Earth, the 'nearby gas giant" was either Jupiter or Saturn (probably Jupiter since it's closer to Earth). So Franklin tped them into Jupiter or Saturn dozens of millions of miles away from Earth and the Rogue Trio was disoriented.
https://i.postimg.cc/KKP7rbV0/image.jpg

Now let's compare this to what an immature Kubik went through :
https://i.postimg.cc/mPNhmrL1/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/f38yhg0w/image.jpg
Super Adaptoid tps Kubik into the LARGEST black hole in the Andromeda Galaxy. Black holes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gas giants. Andromeda Galaxy is hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of LIGHT YEARS distant from Earth. Kubik isn't hurt or even disoriented/confused. He easily gets out and alters the black hole so he can observe it later for fun. What's even crazier, Kubik wants to avoid a fight with the Adaptoid, not because he fears him, but because the fight would shred the fabric of existence and spill into infinite dimensions and adjacent universes.

All this and Kubik was only partially mature! :
https://i.postimg.cc/LgnNV7jh/image.jpg

What issue and comic is this?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What issue and comic is this?
Which scan? The Rogue Celestials one or the Kubik ones?

The Rogue Celestial scan is from Fantastic Four 603.

The Kubik/Adaptoid scans are from The Avengers 289 and 290.

The Kubik vs post Rectcon Beyonder fight happened in Fantastic Four 319.

The little girl tapping into baby Kubik's power and bfring stars across the universe into a pocket dimension she created in a pouch happened in Defenders 150.

It's not the location or distance that's confusing Zop. It's appearing in a completely different place when you expect to fight someone.

If you went to fight someone and all of the sudden you appeared two miles away in a room full of glory holes at peak hours you'd be confused too. Likely just as confused as you getting teleported 9000 kilometers away in a room full of sideways pussies. You might find the pussies more interesting than you thought before you seen them, but even though they're your weakness, that doesn't mean you have to be in shock from them. Maybe you'd be shocked from being ported to a pussy room, but let's imagine you've been to pussy rooms before like SA has.

It's not like "Oh pussies, I am now confused because of the waft off pussy strongly permeating the air," it's more like getting confused by being somewhere else when you expected to get blasted. There's two layers to this. Frank raised his hand with no visible attack and they were instantly gone.

We didn't get the initial shock of SA, but we know the black hole didn't throw him off. That's it. It's not like the sight of ****ing gas giants is enough to throw Celestials in disarray, it's more that they got confused by being ported away suddenly. Wolverine creating holograms of Gas Giants with his heat claws by reflecting light masterfully wouldn't throw Celestials off in fight.

And it also proves nothing even if... the rest is fine. Your tp point is not the best

Ikr?

Originally posted by zopzop
It really isn't though.

Adult Franklin BFRed the Rogue Trio into 'the heart of a nearby gas giant". The Rogue Trio was actually baffled/confused by what was going on and it bought the FF and Franklin time to plan. Since they were all on Earth, the 'nearby gas giant" was either Jupiter or Saturn (probably Jupiter since it's closer to Earth). So Franklin tped them into Jupiter or Saturn dozens of millions of miles away from Earth and the Rogue Trio was disoriented.
https://i.postimg.cc/KKP7rbV0/image.jpg Originally posted by zopzop
Imagine if Franklin tped them into a star or a black hole light years away? The Rogue Trio would be screwed.
I need you to elaborate further here, so I can draw a comparison.

On a scale from "grass is green" to "Bran jogging blindfolded in baby diapers at 4am", how confused would the Celestials be by a Black Hole?

lol honestly, wth?? the location didn't matter. the fact that they were unexpectedly SHUNTED....anywhere, is what caused the confusion.

Originally posted by leonidas
l...the fact that they were unexpectedly SHUNTED....anywhere, is what caused the confusion.
And that was one of my points. An immature Kubik wasn't confused or dazed being unexpectedly tped millions of light years away into the largest black hole in the galaxy. But the Rogues were confused and disoriented from that relatively minor bfr.

The only reason Kubik didn't immeditely tp back to Earth to face the Adaptoid is because the fight between them would trash reality. And he's not full of sh|t either seeing as how post retcon MM and Beyonder were wrecking havok across the multiverse in their fight.

All this is besides the point. We have an on panel example of a cosmic cube crucifying dozens of Celestials against a star and holding them there helpless.
https://i.postimg.cc/1f4Wc5qm/4870039-celestial-engine.png

Kubik stomps.

wait so kubik wins because he wasnt momentarily disoriented by getting bfr'd? how in the christ does that make him more powerful then the celestials and franklin?

why does kubik flatout saying that he is massively weaker then the celestials and being scared shitless of just ONE of them not matter, but this disorientation shit is somehow the only valid way to gauge powers? lol for gods sake.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
wait so kubik wins because he wasnt momentarily disoriented by getting bfr'd? how in the christ does that make him more powerful then the celestials and franklin?

why does kubik flatout saying that he is massively weaker then the celestials and being scared shitless of just ONE of them not matter, but this disorientation shit is somehow the only valid way to gauge powers? lol for gods sake.
Jesus Christ..........

What Kubik said in that Fantastic Four Annual scan from 20+ years ago is bullsh|t because we have ON PANEL proof of Cubes and Cube Beings outperforming Celestials.

The BFR thing wasn't meant to end the discussion it was just one simple example of how the FF Annual writer was full of it by showcasing how each character did against BFR. The supposedly inferior character (Kubik) handled a much harsher BFR better than the supposedly superior characters (Rogue Celestials).

I already posted the scan of a cosmic cube owning DOZENS of Celestials.

/thread

Originally posted by zopzop
We have an on panel example of a cosmic cube crucifying dozens of Celestials against a star and holding them there helpless.
https://i.postimg.cc/1f4Wc5qm/4870039-celestial-engine.png

Kubik stomps.

that is such a sick feat

also at this point most writers don't view celestials as universal abstracts anymore

Originally posted by zopzop
The BFR thing wasn't meant to end the discussion it was just one simple example of how the FF Annual writer was full of it by showcasing how each character did against BFR. The supposedly inferior character (Kubik) handled a much harsher BFR better than the supposedly superior characters (Rogue Celestials).

https://i.imgur.com/LIHl4js.jpg

Originally posted by MrMind
that is such a sick feat

also at this point most writers don't view celestials as universal abstracts anymore

Where they always abstract though? I thought they were like Watchers ie very powerful alien race but not abstract.

Originally posted by Deadline
Where they always abstract though? I thought they were like Watchers ie very powerful alien race but not abstract.

sorry i meant to say abstract level

Originally posted by MrMind
that is such a sick feat

also at this point most writers don't view celestials as universal abstracts anymore
That's not even the most impressive thing a Cube or Cube Being has done. During SWII Beyonder destroyed the abstract concept of Death throughout the multiverse and no one (not even the LT) was able to stop him or undo what he did. Even after he was retconned the feat is STILL valid being mentioned in Death, Eternity, and Beyonder's handbook entries. Even more delicious, it was reconfirmed on panel in the early 90s in an issue of Quasar!
Here is the original SWII incident :
https://i.postimg.cc/ygYMjrxR/image.jpg
Here is the confirmation in the 90s issue of Quasar :
https://i.postimg.cc/34SPcC0c/Dimension-Of-Manifestations-Marvel-Comics.jpg

So to recapped : the RETCONNED Beyonder, who was only 1/2 a full cosmic cube, destroyed an abstract across the multiverse and the LT/Eternity/Galactus/Order/Chaos/Inbetweener/Elders/Watchers/Celestials couldn't stop him or undo his damage. Kubik STOMPED the Beyonder and was about to crush his entire universe in the palm of his hand.
https://i.postimg.cc/4HvFT6YG/3528553-02.png

Originally posted by One Big Mob
https://i.imgur.com/LIHl4js.jpg
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