immortal hulk vs superman!

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leonidas
the fight takes place in a 10'x10' indestructible box. it opens when one is dead or ko'd. who walks out....?

*NO sunlight weakness for Hulk.

carver9
What fights have Superman won since rebirth?

abhilegend
laughing out loud

Superman oneshots Hulk with HV.

carver9
Name those fts ABHI.

abhilegend
Originally posted by abhilegend
That wouldn't be necessary. Superman destroyed Eclipso with his HV while he was drained by Killer Frost willingly.

https://i.postimg.cc/McJRnYgY/33-007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SXL9CMhb/33-009.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zb0RPYvd/33-010.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/z3GhHv24/33-012.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/mhpHY40k/33-013.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/TpyWQS69/33-014.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wtzyqjsf/33-015.jpg

Eclipso had casually blocked the actual sun with his shadows in the previous issue.

https://i.postimg.cc/t18cZ8pM/22-26.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/34pcg9wJ/22-27.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/jnbkvNW6/22-28.jpg

A drained Superman has more power output than the sun. And we all know what happens to Hulk in the sun.

xJLxKing
Superman should win 8/10 definitely harder without that extra room to maneuver

MrMind
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Superman oneshots Hulk with HV.

this

quanchi112
Hulk ruins him.

Senor Cage
Superman with a flick of his wrists.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by abhilegend
A drained Superman has more power output than the sun. And we all know what happens to Hulk in the sun.

Does the sun hurt the Hulk? I know the Helios thing Stark used put him down but i thought that was more a power thing than a weakness exploit

Damborgson
It was solar based because it's now a weakness I guess.

So it's a mismatch unfortunately.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
A drained Superman has more power output than the sun. And we all know what happens to Hulk in the sun.

Look at that scene again.

Eon Blue
Hulk obliterates.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Does the sun hurt the Hulk? I know the Helios thing Stark used put him down but i thought that was more a power thing than a weakness exploit

Yeah, he can't turn into the Hulk unless the sun is down.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Look at that scene again.
I'm looking at it. What's there to see?

DarkSaint85
He's trying to say the prism converted and changed the energy.

Carter, look up what a prism does.

abhilegend
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's trying to say the prism converted and changed the energy.

Carter, look up what a prism does.
You think carver knows what a prism is?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, he can't turn into the Hulk unless the sun is down.


That must be specific to the Immortal Hulk book
I swear I've seen him hulked out in other books during the day

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That must be specific to the Immortal Hulk book
I swear I've seen him hulked out in other books during the day

A: Immortal Hulk is used here.

B: Hulkverine #1, released this week:

https://i.postimg.cc/vT7MSSbb/RCO005-1550673631.jpg

Deadline
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, he can't turn into the Hulk unless the sun is down.

I think that was what the Hulk used to be like in his earliest appearances. Every once in a while they like to go back to that.

DarkSaint85
It was indeed. Just going back to his roots.

One Big Mob
Rebirth Superman is weak against bricks. Hulk is the night brick.

leonidas
yeah the sunlight weakness is lame and ends one of the classic arguments i guess.... anyway, let's change to hotm hulk. thumb up (i'll see if galan or pr can edit the title to reflect the change.)

celeyhyga17
Or just take out the sunlight thingy.

leonidas
yeah either or. though it would be better if people just debated the spirit of a thread, as opposed to the letter of it. clearly i did not intend to have the sunlight weakness used, because, well, that would lead to a wasted thread and engender no discussion. sneer

celeyhyga17
So is Immo Hulk amped or Wut? I haven't kept up. Didn't eve know there was some kind of Banner Below All thing going on till BranlorSwift told me.

DarkSaint85
But when Superman fights magical characters, that's always in play.....

I see your biased game, Leoni.

leonidas
well, superman has actual showings AGAINST magic--a lot of them--so discussion can be had. hulk vs sunlight=no discussion n00b.

Philosophía
Superman would beat Hulk even in a 2 by 2 box blindfolded.

leonidas
now that's more like it! thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's trying to say the prism converted and changed the energy.

Carter, look up what a prism does.

It diverted the sun light in other areas and it's not even a great ft since the sun is his weakness.

carver9
Hulk wins this, and honestly, easily. Superman doesnt have a solid win under his belt. People like Frankenstein have stalemated and actually koed him. Author have given him fits. Damage, etc... etc... if we are using combat showing, Hulk would probably cave his head in during the first blow.

In one hand we have a character taking on teams, cracking Herald skulls, damaging a high end tier being that could only be stopped by Wanda amping a stacked team. Brushing through a team of Avengers. One punching the new Ghost rider. Hulk could literally drain Supes of his energy. Until Superman starts doing something at least kind of decent, THEN this can be a fight, but until then, he needs to pull at least a win against someone with credibility. Hulk would take on Superman AND the JLA at this point.

carver9
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So is Immo Hulk amped or Wut? I haven't kept up. Didn't eve know there was some kind of Banner Below All thing going on till BranlorSwift told me.

Its basically said that he is the son of the one below all.

-K-M-

MrMind
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins this, and honestly, easily.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AssuredInfamousAsianlion-size_restricted.gif

-K-M-

carver9
Originally posted by MrMind
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AssuredInfamousAsianlion-size_restricted.gif

Lol... hey, I'm here to be convinced. Show me those people hes defeated.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Eon Blue
Hulk obliterates. thumb up

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins this, and honestly, easily. Superman doesnt have a solid win under his belt. People like Frankenstein have stalemated and actually koed him. Author have given him fits. Damage, etc... etc... if we are using combat showing, Hulk would probably cave his head in during the first blow.

In one hand we have a character taking on teams, cracking Herald skulls, damaging a high end tier being that could only be stopped by Wanda amping a stacked team. Brushing through a team of Avengers. One punching the new Ghost rider. Hulk could literally drain Supes of his energy. Until Superman starts doing something at least kind of decent, THEN this can be a fight, but until then, he needs to pull at least a win against someone with credibility. Hulk would take on Superman AND the JLA at this point.

None of those guys can output solar rads though?
And none of the guys Superman has fought (remember, Rebirth is pre Flashpoint Superman - mod ruling) had the weakness Hulk has.

Context, Carver.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
None of those guys can output solar rads though?
And none of the guys Superman has fought (remember, Rebirth is pre Flashpoint Superman - mod ruling) had the weakness Hulk has.

Context, Carver.

Wouldn't call it a weakness, I would call it a preference. Even during the time the beam rained down on him by Tony, it was outright admitted that Hulk "allowed" himself to be captured.

Hulk stomps. I'm here to be convinced though Darksaint. Post those fights hes won that put him above or on Hulk level. Last time I asked for this, one of the Supermen experts posted this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111307312/5952424-3089838467-19.jp.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111307312/5952425-4870194236-20.jp.jpg

A gang of holding back Herald level characters beating Superman to a pulp. You do know Hulk fought characters of similar strength and they couldnt even budge him. That's just food for thought.

DarkSaint85
But Superman has his pre Flashpoint feats.

Steam rolling Imperiex probes, for example.

And it's not a preference. Weapon H nearly shish kabobed him until the sun went down. He was running in terror.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
It diverted the sun light in other areas and it's not even a great ft since the sun is his weakness.
That's why he actually hid the sun by his shadows? So much for the weakness Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins this, and honestly, easily. Superman doesnt have a solid win under his belt. People like Frankenstein have stalemated and actually koed him. Author have given him fits. Damage, etc... etc... if we are using combat showing, Hulk would probably cave his head in during the first blow.

In one hand we have a character taking on teams, cracking Herald skulls, damaging a high end tier being that could only be stopped by Wanda amping a stacked team. Brushing through a team of Avengers. One punching the new Ghost rider. Hulk could literally drain Supes of his energy. Until Superman starts doing something at least kind of decent, THEN this can be a fight, but until then, he needs to pull at least a win against someone with credibility. Hulk would take on Superman AND the JLA at this point.
Hulk is below the likes of Hal Jordan in formidablilty who Superman actually oneshotted.

Hal would push Hulk's shit in currently, forget about Superman.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Superman has his pre Flashpoint feats.

Steam rolling Imperiex probes, for example.

And it's not a preference. Weapon H nearly shish kabobed him until the sun went down. He was running in terror.

Thor has his classic fts as well but no one looks at them... lol. We want to see that recent stuff, buddy.

Because of preference. We've seen this Hulk in the sun.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why he actually hid the sun by his shadows? So much for the weakness
Hulk is below the likes of Hal Jordan in formidablilty who Superman actually oneshotted.

Hal would push Hulk's shit in currently, forget about Superman.

Lol... the sun is his weakness. It's like someone bathing Superman in kryptonite and people calling it a fair win.

Lol... Hal would get punked by Hulk and when did Superman take out Hal? Didnt I just tell you Hulk have shown he could fight the entire JLA and probably come out on top. That's including Hal. I'm basing this primarily off of showings in comics that people tend to ignore.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
None of those guys can output solar rads though?
And none of the guys Superman has fought (remember, Rebirth is pre Flashpoint Superman - mod ruling) had the weakness Hulk has.

Context, Carver.

It's a bit weird since stars produce gamma rays. For all we know the Hulk may actually amp Superman, and Superman may amp Hulk lol. I hate arguing these two against each other. They're in my top five favorite characters. Leo just had to go there.

Damborgson
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah the sunlight weakness is lame and ends one of the classic arguments i guess.... anyway, let's change to hotm hulk. thumb up (i'll see if galan or pr can edit the title to reflect the change.)

HOTM Hulk would exploit Supermans weakness to fists.

vansonbee
Hulk ruins Superman. The poor guy was equal to Damage and Damage is a "poor mans Hulk".

carver9
Frankenstein also had an amazing showing against Supes and he would be complete fodder to Immortal Hulk. Aquaman and Mera did extremely well. Immortal Hulk could literally stand in one spot and allow Aquaman to punch on him with no effect (remember, Jane Thor AND Hercules couldn't even budge Hulk who had recently got his power absorbed by Rogue. Cant say they were weak because in the same issue, they moved planetary weight. Herc even managed to hurt his hand punching Hulk).

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has his classic fts as well but no one looks at them... lol. We want to see that recent stuff, buddy.

Because of preference. We've seen this Hulk in the sun.

Thor is not Superman.

It's a mod ruling that all of Superman's feats count. Want me to get them involved again?

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
clearly i did not intend to have the sunlight weakness used, because, well, that would lead to a wasted thread and engender no discussion. sneer Edited the OP.

xJLxKing
Without the sunlight weakness, within the limited space, no BFR, I can see Hulk taking a few wins
6/10 Superman.

Superman still has his insane speed advantage, the higher base stats.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor is not Superman.

It's a mod ruling that all of Superman's feats count. Want me to get them involved again?

Who said anything about them not counting? What I said was, Thor have some BEASTLY classic showings but gets ignored due to his recent showings. You seem like a smart guy. You should understand what I am saying here. You digging all the way back to early 2000 and 1990's to make this fight interesting is kinda funny and speaks volumes on the portrayal of both characters.

laughing out loud laughing out loud

Hulk stomps.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about them not counting? What I said was, Thor have some BEASTLY classic showings but gets ignored due to his recent showings. You seem like a smart guy. You should understand what I am saying here. You digging all the way back to early 2000 and 1990's to make this fight interesting is kinda funny and speaks volumes on the portrayal of both characters.

laughing out loud laughing out loud

Hulk stomps.

Yes, because current Thor is weakened. We have had this conversation before. I posted the scans, then you mysteriously disappeared?

Not digging. It's literally the same character.

eaebiakuya
For curiosity, why do you think current Thor is weakened? Only because the sequence of low showings or something more?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, because current Thor is weakened. We have had this conversation before. I posted the scans, then you mysteriously disappeared?

Not digging. It's literally the same character.

So a weakened Thor physically stalemated a Jane Thor who ripped through an enchanted Adamantium door? A weakened Thor punched a being from one side of the planet to the other? Nothing dictates Thor physical prowess disappearing. Keep clinging to those early 2000 fts. Still doesnt help you here since I can post showings of beings far inferior to Hulk either stalemating or beating Superman, Mr. Imperiex Probes.

Senor Cage
Superman 7/10. Hulk is not quite there yet.

carver9
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Superman 7/10. Hulk is not quite there yet.

Quite where?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
For curiosity, why do you think current Thor is weakened? Only because the sequence of low showings or something more?

Because of his own words to BRB.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
So a weakened Thor physically stalemated a Jane Thor who ripped through an enchanted Adamantium door? A weakened Thor punched a being from one side of the planet to the other? Nothing dictates Thor physical prowess disappearing. Keep clinging to those early 2000 fts. Still doesnt help you here since I can post showings of beings far inferior to Hulk either stalemating or beating Superman, Mr. Imperiex Probes.

His own words, can't get any clearer.

Those less than planetary probes laughing out loud. Go back and read the comic another five times

panthergod
A weakened Superman tore Doomsday apart.

Superman wins 8/10.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His own words, can't get any clearer.

Those less than planetary probes laughing out loud. Go back and read the comic another five times

Post the scan please. I didnt see it.

Lol... show me them having that planetary power. Why are you mentioning old debates anyway? Stay on topic Mr. "I cant help but use early 2000 and 1990 showings for this battle". Amazing!!!

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
A weakened Superman tore Doomsday apart.

Superman wins 8/10.

What was that Doomsday best durability showing?

I remember them saying the old Superman was weakened. Did they mention anything about New 52 Superman being weakened? The other Supes was so weakened, he was unable to even move large rubble off of himself. New 52 Superman didnt have this problem. Scan please.

Senor Cage
Originally posted by panthergod
A weakened Superman tore Doomsday apart.

Superman wins 8/10.

Good point. DD>Hulk on average.

carver9
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Good point. DD>Hulk on average.

Answer the question I asked him above, please.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... the sun is his weakness. It's like someone bathing Superman in kryptonite and people calling it a fair win.

Not if Superman casually stopped kryptonite the size of sun.

And what showings would that be carter? Hal stalemated Sinestrollax who was ten times more powerful than usual and then killed him.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/34883793/304_18.jpg.html

And sinestrollax had ripped out Volthoom's heart who was ripping apart entire universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Parallax outright destroyed Black Lantern Spectre and ripped the heart out of Volthoom when controlled by Sinestro after destroying a shield WL Kyle (who restored the whole universe) couldn't.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z9j30G4m/028.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/623ZZMpv/030.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/S2vMfcnt/031.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/N22rJLTG/033.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pym8Xc7N/034.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XXt5ZcSr/038.jpg

And even before Volthoom ascended to universal level, he tanked an attack by all seven corps and oneshotted them all.

https://i.postimg.cc/qNzWmTDb/020.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WdCCCHQ2/021.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/06SFsCs7/022.jpg


Oh right, it's you. Anything isn't impressive till its from marvel. Not unless you are "Watcher's champion", eh?


What has Hulk done that's remotely comparable to that?

abhilegend
Originally posted by vansonbee
Hulk ruins Superman. The poor guy was equal to Damage and Damage is a "poor mans Hulk".
Just like Hulk lost to Weapon H?

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Frankenstein also had an amazing showing against Supes and he would be complete fodder to Immortal Hulk. Aquaman and Mera did extremely well. Immortal Hulk could literally stand in one spot and allow Aquaman to punch on him with no effect (remember, Jane Thor AND Hercules couldn't even budge Hulk who had recently got his power absorbed by Rogue. Cant say they were weak because in the same issue, they moved planetary weight. Herc even managed to hurt his hand punching Hulk).
That's literally before Rebirth where he merged with new 52 Superman carter.

But hey Hotshot blasted through Hulk like he was nothing. Superman would probably vaporize hulk based on that.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
What was that Doomsday best durability showing?

I remember them saying the old Superman was weakened. Did they mention anything about New 52 Superman being weakened? The other Supes was so weakened, he was unable to even move large rubble off of himself. New 52 Superman didnt have this problem. Scan please.
Both Supermen were weakened.

https://i.postimg.cc/CzbGPmyS/image.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Both Supermen were weakened.

https://i.postimg.cc/CzbGPmyS/image.jpg

Your scan say "to keep MMMMEEEEEE, MEEEEEEEE, ME, ME, weak". Not us weak, me. Thanks for the scan though. At least you tried.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's literally before Rebirth where he merged with new 52 Superman carter.

But hey Hotshot blasted through Hulk like he was nothing. Superman would probably vaporize hulk based on that.

Is that the excuse you're making?

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Your scan say "to keep MMMMEEEEEE, MEEEEEEEE, ME, ME, weak". Not us weak, me. Thanks for the scan though. At least you tried.
Yeah, two Supermen out of one and only one is weakened? Great logic carter.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Is that the excuse you're making?
That's literally what the comic says.

And hey, how about you show us how Hulk is going to punk Hal?

Philosophía
Originally posted by carver9
Your scan say "to keep MMMMEEEEEE, MEEEEEEEE, ME, ME, weak". Not us weak, me. Thanks for the scan though. At least you tried. Is it in your bucket list this year to be dumber than the last?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Post the scan please. I didnt see it.

Lol... show me them having that planetary power. Why are you mentioning old debates anyway? Stay on topic Mr. "I cant help but use early 2000 and 1990 showings for this battle". Amazing!!!

Lol - old debates? You posted those scans like a week or two ago.

I mentioned the Imperiex probes because YOU, apropos of nothing, suddenly mentioned them in the ownage thread, lol. Out of nowhere, you suddenly brought them up. Enjoy!!

I am making a joke at your expense, and you are literally too dumb to even realise I am laughing at you laughing out loud

DarkSaint85
The point is still valid though. Feats are valid, regardless of age, as long as they're canon. If Carv just wants to use specific storylines, he can make his own thread smile

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol - old debates? You posted those scans like a week or two ago.

I mentioned the Imperiex probes because YOU, apropos of nothing, suddenly mentioned them in the ownage thread, lol. Out of nowhere, you suddenly brought them up. Enjoy!!

I am making a joke at your expense, and you are literally too dumb to even realise I am laughing at you laughing out loud

Trust me, I knew you was trying to make fun of me (key word, TRYING). I just think it is a pathetic attempt at trying to change the argument.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The point is still valid though. Feats are valid, regardless of age, as long as they're canon. If Carv just wants to use specific storylines, he can make his own thread smile


Keep digging back in those classic days. Trust me, this is something else I will be scoping out on you when reading your post. You're an inconsistent debater.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, two Supermen out of one and only one is weakened? Great logic carter.

One bench pressing a planet while the other admits he is so weak he couldnt even move rubble from a mountain off of him. The difference here is ENORMOUS.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A: Immortal Hulk is used here.

B: Hulkverine #1, released this week:

https://i.postimg.cc/vT7MSSbb/RCO005-1550673631.jpg

Cool beans...never seen that.

StiltmanFTW
I love how Pak is low-key butthurt about Banner no longer using his infamous Bannertech laughing out loud

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Keep digging back in those classic days. Trust me, this is something else I will be scoping out on you when reading your post. You're an inconsistent debater.

I consistently beat you though :/

And I know you'll ask me soon what instances. I've got the listsmile

It includes WWHulk regrowing his limbs, Aquaman fan art, Cyborg, Enchantress etc.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A: Immortal Hulk is used here.

B: Hulkverine #1, released this week:

https://i.postimg.cc/vT7MSSbb/RCO005-1550673631.jpg

I love how Pak is low-key butthurt about Banner no longer using his infamous Bannertech laughing out loud

DarkSaint85
That's actually how the editors gave Pak his brief.

'I'll show them' he thought. 'Let's see how a Leader treats such shortsighted fools!!!'

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud laughing out loud laughing out loud

Philosophía
Greg Pak didn't get the memo that "Hulk is Hulk" and now he's bitter.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Are people really saying Superman beats Immortal Hulk in the strength department?

honestly would love to bz that lol

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
One bench pressing a planet while the other admits he is so weak he couldnt even move rubble from a mountain off of him. The difference here is ENORMOUS.
Yeah, how's that proving both were not weakened?

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, how's that proving both were not weakened?

laughing out loud laughing out loud

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
laughing out loud laughing out loud

So no answer? Also new 52 Superman never beat Mongul on his own, Reborn Superman beat the shit out of him. Rebirth Superman struggled with Eradicator. Reborn Superman casually brushed aside both Henshaw and Eradicator.

Reborn Superman is stronger than both new 52 Superman and Rebirth Superman.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I love how Pak is low-key butthurt about Banner no longer using his infamous Bannertech laughing out loud

Was Pak the one who made Bannertech? Im glad they got rid of it. Seemed very ooc

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
So no answer? Also new 52 Superman never beat Mongul on his own, Reborn Superman beat the shit out of him. Rebirth Superman struggled with Eradicator. Reborn Superman casually brushed aside both Henshaw and Eradicator.

Reborn Superman is stronger than both new 52 Superman and Rebirth Superman.

Because you're hilarious. On 1 hand we have a guy benching Earth weight. In the other hand we have a guy who admits he is weakened (in the same story), gets koed by Blanque throwing a mountain (not even 1/3 of the mountain) on him (and admits it is a struggle getting from under it). The difference is HUGE. New 52 Superman started out at being able to stop a locomotive to being one of the strongest beings on the planet due to absorbing radiation.

When did Reborn Superman beat Mongul and is that even the same Mongul that fought New 52?

Eradicator is weakened. He had an entire race of kryptonians inside of him (plus Krypto) and Superman assisted in the removal of all of that power and he had to amp himself to pull that off. 2 different Erads. You're better than this.

When did he brush aside Henshaw? It doesnt even matter anyways since again, this is probably 2 different Henshaws. Henshaw sucks anyways. Supergirl casually dropped him and Zod treated him like fodder. Throw a top tier at him and hes nothing.

You haven't proved the latter but you're making things interested. Keep going with your over exaggerating fts.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Because you're hilarious. On 1 hand we have a guy benching Earth weight. In the other hand we have a guy who admits he is weakened (in the same story), gets koed by Blanque throwing a mountain (not even 1/3 of the mountain) on him (and admits it is a struggle getting from under it).

Because he was additionally weakened by Vandal Savage's tech.

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

He was weakened due to Vandal Savage. Jurgens confirmed it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thedanjurgens/status/743479302646177792

And Superman in rebirth was stated to be more powerful than new 52 Superman due to absorbing more power from the sun.

https://s33.postimg.cc/agv13jcln/image.jpg

Rebirth Superman was outright stated to be stronger than new 52 Superman.

And?



Naomi 2 and Superman 8.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111371215/6801781-5614625623-11.jp.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111371215/6801782-5981533685-12.jp.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111371215/6801783-6646452599-13.jp.jpg



Henshaw restored him.

https://i.postimg.cc/PLvKsq2p/image.jpg

Any proof that he was weakened?


Haha, this is just hilarious. Henshaw straight up defeated Supergirl and was actually beating up lanterns like nothing and casually overpowered Mongul.

Zod is just that beastly. He defeated Eradicator, Henshaw and Enchantress together like nothing.



Instead of your lies, eh? Mind showing any proof of what you say carter?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Was Pak the one who made Bannertech? Im glad they got rid of it. Seemed very ooc

Yes, it was Pak.

That's why he couldn't stop himself from referencing it in that issue.

abhilegend
Anyway Superman beats the shit out of Hulk.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, it was Pak.

That's why he couldn't stop himself from referencing it in that issue.

Meh pretty pathetic. The night theme and man/monster aspect are staples of Hulks history. I'm seriously starting to think Planet Hulk was luck because everything else since has been trash

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he was additionally weakened by Vandal Savage's tech.



Rebirth Superman was outright stated to be stronger than new 52 Superman.

And?



Naomi 2 and Superman 8.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111371215/6801781-5614625623-11.jp.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111371215/6801782-5981533685-12.jp.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111371215/6801783-6646452599-13.jp.jpg



Henshaw restored him.

https://i.postimg.cc/PLvKsq2p/image.jpg

Any proof that he was weakened?


Haha, this is just hilarious. Henshaw straight up defeated Supergirl and was actually beating up lanterns like nothing and casually overpowered Mongul.

Zod is just that beastly. He defeated Eradicator, Henshaw and Enchantress together like nothing.



Instead of your lies, eh? Mind showing any proof of what you say carter?

I'm not seeing anything that states he was additionally weakened.

Read your freaking scan. It states "UPON HIS DEATH IT SEEMS YOU DRAW MORE SOLAR ENERGY". This is so irritating.

I brought that up to show you that his power didnt stay static. He grew more powerful by the moment. It's an indication proving that what I'm saying about him not being weakened exist vs you telling me he was as weak as rebirth Superman. The power difference is HUGE.

Restored him to what levels though? He was feeding on the power of an entire race of kryptonians and krypto. Are you implying he was brought back to those levels?

Wait a minute. First you post a scan of Superman defeating Mongul "off panel" and then in this showing, he sneak attack him? You're a funny guy. I knew you would post a desperation showing and again, both Supes fought 2 different Monguls. New 52 Mongul was flying, shooting heat vision, etc... this Mongul isnt doing any of that.

So Supergirl didnt drop Cyborg? Is this what you are saying? Show me Henshaw taking out GLs without any outside amps.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh pretty pathetic. The night theme and man/monster aspect are staples of Hulks history. I'm seriously starting to think Planet Hulk was luck because everything else since has been trash

You're very peculiar about books Sin and that is ok but I just want you to know that this opinion is primarily yours.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing anything that states he was additionally weakened.

Because you're an idiot. He was weakened by the split, he was further weakened by Vandal Savage's tech.

What's that supposed to mean? Of course he was drawing more power after new 52 Superman's death because that's when he was not Depowered.

What is wrong with you?

And Rebirth Superman was straight up said to be more powerful than new 52 Superman. Not once either, again.


https://i.postimg.cc/QFNxds28/image.jpg



Yes, he was.

Haha, what? Punching Mongul in the face is now sneak attacking him.

And now there is a different Mongul without any explanation, eh?

I wonder how your mind works.



No, she didn't. Cyborg Superman defeated her.

Scans are already posted carter.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because you're an idiot. He was weakened by the split, he was further weakened by Vandal Savage's tech.

What's that supposed to mean? Of course he was drawing more power after new 52 Superman's death because that's when he was not Depowered.

What is wrong with you?

And Rebirth Superman was straight up said to be more powerful than new 52 Superman. Not once either, again.


https://i.postimg.cc/QFNxds28/image.jpg



Yes, he was.

Haha, what? Punching Mongul in the face is now sneak attacking him.

And now there is a different Mongul without any explanation, eh?

I wonder how your mind works.



No, she didn't. Cyborg Superman defeated her.

Scans are already posted carter.

And you think you're smart? Lol, not by a long shot. You're getting completely off topic. I CLEARLY said New 52 was NOT weakened. You said he was. Nothing you've shown proves he was weakened. NOTHING!!!

Him drawing more power AFTER HIS DEATH does not take away from what I said. Get back on topic. What I said was, nothing was shown that New 52 Superman was weakened. Rebirth Superman was clearly weakened but New 52 was as solid as a rock.

Mongul was obviously looking the other way. Superman was flying behind him. Punched him clean in the face while he was not aware of the attack. This is called a sneak attack. Desperation is your best friend.

So that is the same Mongul?

Lol...ok, you need to provide proof that he is anywhere close to the power levels he was at when he had the race of kryptonians in him and krypto. You are just saying anything at this point.

Sigh... let me get this scan of Supergirl beating Cyborg.

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway Superman beats the shit out of Hulk. Other way around. Hulk is simply too strong for the old Boy Scout.

DarkSaint85
Saying he's weakened or different because he didn't use all his powers is like saying Thor is weakened because....Oh yeah.

Such inconsistency laughing out loud

@Abhi: it's all a red herring argument from Carver. We have literal mod rulings that Superman is the same pre and post Flashpoint. All feats count. Carver knows this, and he's only trying to use 'Rebirth Superman'' because otherwise Immortal Hulk has no chance. You don't need to prove anything. Not that he was weakened or not, Mindful, none of it, because it's all a distraction from the real issue.

It's a mod ruling. All feats are valid.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
And you think you're smart? Lol, not by a long shot. You're getting completely off topic. I CLEARLY said New 52 was NOT weakened. You said he was. Nothing you've shown proves he was weakened. NOTHING!!!

Despite on panel proof you mean?
How does this makes any sense? Rebirth Superman was drawing more power than new 52 Superman ever did.

You mean except the fact that its clearly stated?

Eh, what? Superman punching Mongul in the face is now sneak attack?



Yes.

Why? Do you know what restore means? Eradicator even koed Superman with a blast AFTER that when previously he couldn't.

Sure. Create a new comic then.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't call it a weakness, I would call it a preference. Even during the time the beam rained down on him by Tony, it was outright admitted that Hulk "allowed" himself to be captured.

I know that the sunlight weakness has been turned off for the thread.

Carver, enjoy!!!!

https://i.postimg.cc/q7tq1hJx/RCO021-w-1551865386.jpg

It's not a preference. He can die when the sun is up.

Bentley
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, what? Superman punching Mongul in the face is now sneak attack?


He was hiding behind his fist and his extended arm thumb up

-Pr-
Superman.

abhilegend
Carver, please explain this.

https://i.postimg.cc/nXJN3RRs/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cvB22R2F/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/NyNVfggT/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G8Hf4Z2f/image.jpg

mmm

DarkSaint85
Did Carver ever explain?

carver9
Hulk got shot with a gun that have unknown properties and a chunk of his head was missing as a result. It pissed him off which is dangerous for anyone facing the Hulk. Similar to what happened when Hulk body was chopped into pieces and he was still moving around like normal. Reminds me of this as well...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e08f07794f21a537f200f67051086786

Or the scene where Zod blasted a hole clean through Superman. What you're asking me is like me asking you about Konvikt, Kalibak, Titus, etc... one punching Superman and me saying this is how the results would be if he fought Hulk since Hulk is far stronger than everyone I've named. Even though Hulk would outright destroy Superman, even I dont believe it would be in a single hit.

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk got shot with a gun that have unknown properties and a chunk of his head was missing as a result. It pissed him off which is dangerous for anyone facing the Hulk. Similar to what happened when Hulk body was chopped into pieces and he was still moving around like normal. Reminds me of this as well...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e08f07794f21a537f200f67051086786

Or the scene where Zod blasted a hole clean through Superman. What you're asking me is like me asking you about Konvikt, Kalibak, Titus, etc... one punching Superman and me saying this is how the results would be if he fought Hulk since Hulk is far stronger than everyone I've named. Even though Hulk would outright destroy Superman, even I dont believe it would be in a single hit.


... So you concede that those characters are superior to Hulk, then.

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
... So you concede that those characters are superior to Hulk, then.

A beginning of the fight Hulk, yes, but if Hulk have any kind of anger built up in him, he surpasses all of them with ease. He IS their physical superior. None of them are one punching Hulk, let alone beating him in a fist fight.

smile

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
A beginning of the fight Hulk, yes, but if Hulk have any kind of anger built up in him, he surpasses all of them with ease. He IS their physical superior. None of them are one punching Hulk, let alone beating him in a fist fight.

smile

Yet you just concede that beginning of fight Hulk is inferior.

..Which means that yes, they can one shot Hulk. Period.

Hulk doesn't surpass Thor with 'any type of anger', let alone characters that can one-shot Superman.

WWHulk couldn't even oneshot Logan,Thing or She-Hulk.

Stop lying.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by panthergod
Yet you just concede that beginning of fight Hulk is inferior.

..Which means that yes, they can one shot Hulk. Period.

Hulk doesn't surpass Thor with 'any type of anger', let alone characters that can one-shot Superman.

WWHulk couldn't even oneshot Logan,Thing or She-Hulk.

Stop lying.

no, you stop lying
https://cdn.comicsverse.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2018/10/0006.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
Yet you just concede that beginning of fight Hulk is inferior.

..Which means that yes, they can one shot Hulk. Period.

Hulk doesn't surpass Thor with 'any type of anger', let alone characters that can one-shot Superman.

WWHulk couldn't even oneshot Logan,Thing or She-Hulk.

Stop lying.

I'm talking about in COMICS, on a forum, Hulk starts off pissed. Lol. You're not going to trap me. Forum Hulk would outright destroy everyone I've named. Comic hero Hulk, he annihilates Kalibak but the other 2 will take time.

Are you drunk? Hulk just one punched Thor and gave him a concussion while taking on a group of Avengers. Hulk is by far greater than any Avenger right now. He one punched Ghost Rider as well who took on the Avengers and was holding his own against Thor recently. Hulk also mud stomped Jane Thor and Hercules at the same time. Go read comics. Hell, Cho Hulk who have Hulk power inside of him took on the entire Avengers and stomped Thor who was going for the kill.

You're trying waaaaayyyy to hard. WW Hulk outright admitted he wasnt there to fight anyone, he wanted Professor Xavier. His intentions wasnt to kill. It was outright said in WWH that he was limiting himself so that he wouldn't mistakenly kill anyone. Troll. Also, you do know that Superman pounded, heat vision, speed blitzed Batman all in one comic and still didnt kill him? You know this, right? Wolverine>>>>>Batman durability wise.

carver9
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
no, you stop lying
https://cdn.comicsverse.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2018/10/0006.jpg

Hes a troll.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk got shot with a gun that have unknown properties and a chunk of his head was missing as a result. It pissed him off which is dangerous for anyone facing the Hulk. Similar to what happened when Hulk body was chopped into pieces and he was still moving around like normal. Reminds me of this as well...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e08f07794f21a537f200f67051086786

Or the scene where Zod blasted a hole clean through Superman. What you're asking me is like me asking you about Konvikt, Kalibak, Titus, etc... one punching Superman and me saying this is how the results would be if he fought Hulk since Hulk is far stronger than everyone I've named. Even though Hulk would outright destroy Superman, even I dont believe it would be in a single hit.

So you're saying he cannot die in the day?

leonidas
carever 2: carv harder, with a vengeance. thumb up

AlbertoJohnAvil
Immortal Hulk's only getting stronger. he's at a level superman cannot comprehend

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're saying he cannot die in the day?

I dont know. He has been showing a weakness to the Sun being directly beamed on him. Seems like he is running from it rather than being outright killed by it. I'm sure you're going to bring up the Nuke like attack that Hulk was hit by from Tony but the comic right after that mentions Hulk allowed them to capture him.

smile

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
I dont know. He has been showing a weakness to the Sun being directly beamed on him. Seems like he is running from it rather than being outright killed by it. I'm sure you're going to bring up the Nuke like attack that Hulk was hit by from Tony but the comic right after that mentions Hulk allowed them to capture him.

smile

So if you don't know.....

Why are you arguing like you do?

Stoic
The huge speed advantage, and air superiority is in Superman's favor. In a comic, this would result in an instant BFR, but is BFR turned off here? If not, Hulk gets tossed into space.

If there is no BFR allowed, I'm not too sure that Superman would be able to KO this Hulk. He had his skull crushed by the Challenger Grandmaster Prime, and laughed it off. Superman could be in trouble as this fight progresses. Marvel has gone to lengths to shore up the weaknesses that used to plague the Hulk, and now the only way for a Herald tier to hope to defeat him would be through BFR, or sunlight, or by possibly draining him.

Edit. Yeah so no BFR, and flight is out as well. Not lookin good for Superman.

DarkSaint85
Sunlight is also out. Superman still has his speed though.

carver9
Yep, with bfr, Superman definently wins this. Since Leo is good at turning that off and he also turned off that sunlight thingy, Hulk outright destroys him. Superman have been in some good fights recently but haven't won a single one. He had a chance to redeem himself against someone whos almost Hulk like, Damage, but even that ended in a stalemate. I know I said this isnt a one punch fight but based off what Hulk has been doing recently while at the same time, dominating and owning Herald tier beings, this fight is a massacre. Once Superman starts stacking in wins, this could be debated.

Stoic
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sunlight is also out. Superman still has his speed though.

The battlefield nullifies a decent amount of that speed. Superman would be facing a guy that seemingly can not be KO'd, and as time proceeds would begin to mitigate the damage that his punches would deliver. The Hulk's durability climbs with his strength, and his hf also becomes better with that climb.

Like I said, it's not lookin good for Superman.

DarkSaint85
Full capacity rules. Means that even though, for example, the Flash doesn't clock his opponents in the very first millisecond of every comic fight, on the forum, it's a viable tactic. As he has that level of speed.

Sure, forum Hulk is powerful. But forum Hulk doesn't have this level of speed.

100 square feet is still plenty of room to dance around. Tyson and Ali did it on far less, and the gap between these two and their opponents is far smaller than that between Hulk and Superman.

Edit: this is Ali, in an area much smaller than 10 feet by 10 feet.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Tsl0wXsKDiu7S/giphy.gif

AlbertoJohnAvil
Superman is not beating Hulk without bfr

panthergod
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
no, you stop lying
https://cdn.comicsverse.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2018/10/0006.jpg

Show WWHulk oneshotting those characters or you concede.

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
I'm talking about in COMICS, on a forum, Hulk starts off pissed. Lol. You're not going to trap me. Forum Hulk would outright destroy everyone I've named. Comic hero Hulk, he annihilates Kalibak but the other 2 will take time.

Are you drunk? Hulk just one punched Thor and gave him a concussion while taking on a group of Avengers. Hulk is by far greater than any Avenger right now. He one punched Ghost Rider as well who took on the Avengers and was holding his own against Thor recently. Hulk also mud stomped Jane Thor and Hercules at the same time. Go read comics. Hell, Cho Hulk who have Hulk power inside of him took on the entire Avengers and stomped Thor who was going for the kill.

You're trying waaaaayyyy to hard. WW Hulk outright admitted he wasnt there to fight anyone, he wanted Professor Xavier. His intentions wasnt to kill. It was outright said in WWH that he was limiting himself so that he wouldn't mistakenly kill anyone. Troll. Also, you do know that Superman pounded, heat vision, speed blitzed Batman all in one comic and still didnt kill him? You know this, right? Wolverine>>>>>Batman durability wise.

Yeah, Thats nice.

weaklings like Thor aren't impressive anymore.

You said Hulk with 'any kind of anger' can oneshot those opponents.

That's a lie.

a willful, purposeful lie.

Stop lying, carver.

panthergod
Originally posted by Stoic
The huge speed advantage, and air superiority is in Superman's favor. In a comic, this would result in an instant BFR, but is BFR turned off here? If not, Hulk gets tossed into space.

If there is no BFR allowed, I'm not too sure that Superman would be able to KO this Hulk. He had his skull crushed by the Challenger Grandmaster Prime, and laughed it off. Superman could be in trouble as this fight progresses. Marvel has gone to lengths to shore up the weaknesses that used to plague the Hulk, and now the only way for a Herald tier to hope to defeat him would be through BFR, or sunlight, or by possibly draining him.

Edit. Yeah so no BFR, and flight is out as well. Not lookin good for Superman.

He can just tear Hulk limb from Limb, with ease.

DarkSaint85
It's nice that Carver separates comics from forum characters when it suits him.

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
Yeah, Thats nice.

weaklings like Thor aren't impressive anymore.

You said Hulk with 'any kind of anger' can oneshot those opponents.

That's a lie.

a willful, purposeful lie.

Stop lying, carver.

You're all over the place. You just said Hulk isnt any stronger than Thor and now you are criticizing Thor. WTF. Are you ok?

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
He can just tear Hulk limb from Limb, with ease.

He can? Who have ripped Hulk limb from limb to make you say this?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's nice that Carver separates comics from forum characters when it suits him.

Not separating anything. I literally said Hulk can beat them regardless. One will just take longer than the other. Everything I said on how Hulk will win is in character. I'm not the guy who say someone will be untouchable even though they get touched in every single fight they are in by characters that dont even have Hulk speed fts.

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
Show WWHulk oneshotting those characters or you concede.

Read WWH and then come back in here and discuss this.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Not separating anything. I literally said Hulk can beat them regardless. One will just take longer than the other. Everything I said on how Hulk will win is in character. I'm not the guy who say someone will be untouchable even though they get touched in every single fight they are in by characters that dont even have Hulk speed fts.

So PIS. Thanks.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So PIS. Thanks.

Nope. On panel showing is a better term for this. Looking at the majority is a better term as well. Just because Surfer sucked someone soul out, etc... before doesnt mean I should go in a thread and say Surfer goes intangible at nano second speeds, creates a black hole while putting a shield over his body and proceed at sucking that opponent soul up (while they are busy trying to get out of the black hole) while using his board with all of this going on as a battering ram. Everything I've said, plus interest, is within Surfers capability of doing but it is just dumb to debate like this since us smart people know he doesnt fight anywhere close to this.

smile

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by carver9
Just because Surfer sucked someone at nano second speeds

I really missed your posts, master.

carver9
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I really missed your posts, master.

laughing out loud laughing out loud

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Nope. On panel showing is a better term for this. Looking at the majority is a better term as well. Just because Surfer sucked someone soul out, etc... before doesnt mean I should go in a thread and say Surfer goes intangible at nano second speeds, creates a black hole while putting a shield over his body and proceed at sucking that opponent soul up (while they are busy trying to get out of the black hole) while using his board with all of this going on as a battering ram. Everything I've said, plus interest, is within Surfers capability of doing but it is just dumb to debate like this since us smart people know he doesnt fight anywhere close to this.

smile

Forum rules. Are you still ignorant of them?

carver9
Good that we know from this point on we disagree with this debating style on the forum. I debate in character, you debate powerset. I'm ok with you debating your way. We know what to expect from each other.

smile

No need to continue with this since you will NOT change my mind.

StiltmanFTW
Don't let him bully you, carv.

He may be yellow and you may be green, but remember, Hal overcame his weakness, so can you!

Flyattractor
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So PIS. Thanks.

Remember the Forum Rules are actually determined by how many Angry Hate PM"s The Mods get by nasty little pustules.

That is How KMC Works..

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't let him bully you, carv.

He may be yellow and you may be green, but remember, Hal overcame his weakness, so can you!

Case in Point.

StiltmanFTW
Nobody invited you here, you piece of shit.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Good that we know from this point on we disagree with this debating style on the forum. I debate in character, you debate powerset. I'm ok with you debating your way. We know what to expect from each other.

smile

No need to continue with this since you will NOT change my mind.

It's not power set debating. It's character debating. Is Superman stupid enough to let Hulk hit him? In character? Ignoring plot which we do not take into account on the forum?

I can get a mod ruling AGAIN. Then you can sulk off again, hopefully for good?

StiltmanFTW
https://i.imgflip.com/30tsyu.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not power set debating. It's character debating. Is Superman stupid enough to let Hulk hit him? In character? Ignoring plot which we do not take into account on the forum?

I can get a mod ruling AGAIN. Then you can sulk off again, hopefully for good?

Like I've said, I'm debating the character "in character". I'm ok with you debating in your fashion. Do what you what to do but if you decide to reply to my posts, expect me to use the in-chatacter rule and on panel scans as a reference of what will take place in a battle. Debate any way you want to Mr. Saint. I'm not asking you to change.

smile

Stop acting like an a** by the way.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said, I'm debating the character "in character". I'm ok with you debating in your fashion. Do what you what to do but if you decide to reply to my posts, expect me to use the in-chatacter rule and on panel scans as a reference of what will take place in a battle. Debate any way you want to Mr. Saint. I'm not asking you to change.

smile

Stop acting like an a** by the way.

laughing

DarkSaint85
laughing out loud. I am indeed using the in character rule.

In character, Superman isn't going to keep at the same speed he was at if he's in danger of losing. We saw this with Doomsday - when the chips were down, he kept increasing his speed and put more strength in his hits.

In character, he's not stupid. Nor is he a masochist, enjoying the pain of getting hit. I can provide scans of this.

So IF he continually gets hit, it's either because of PIS, or the opponent is just that fast. If Hulk is not as fast, then he has nothing, I'm afraid.

leonidas
didn't i just have a huge thread devoted to this topic? this debate about what's a valid debate strategy? laughing out loud

i actually see both sides of this. i PREFER carver's strategy here and i understand fully why he sees it as power set debating. but by the strictest rules of the forum ds's approach is equally valid. i really dislike that approach though for the simple fact that it removes the character from the medium that is used to DEFINE HIS CHARACTER.

we're essentially saying--here is a fictional character. LITERALLY everything we know about said character we know based on the medium (comics in this case). but what happens here? we REMOVE said character from the medium and apply real world logic (something that is constantly railed against in the forum) to say--IF said character were to exist OUTSIDE THE MEDIUM THAT FULLY DEFINES HIM, THEN he/she/it would behave in this manner....

that's obviously because along with defining said character, the medium also LIMITS said character (in the form of the too-often-cited PIS). but we really do pick and choose when we draw the type of distinction ds is making--again a perfectly valid forum argument. the medium says, over and over, that superman would get hit here. the VAST bulk of evidence supports this fact. logic says he wouldn't.

the discrepancy can not be reconciled. no where else in the entire world i suspect, is the weight of evidence more meaningless than in this type of setting. laughing out loud

but if carver can't use evidence from the medium that defines superman as proof he would get hit, what DOES he use here? nothing? then this is a non-argument (as i know some feel it to be). but that assertion is contradicted directly and often within the medium itself! we've even SEEN hulk and superman fight--multiple times. and NONE of their battles support the non-argument stance. nor ds's stance for that matter. again, if we can't use DIRECT, ON PANEL PROOF to say ds's version of how this would go down is wrong, and we resort to a simply real world, logical stance, what's the point in turning to the comics at all?

mmm

carver9
"What's the point of turning to the comics at all". EXACTLY. It's as simple as this. If I go into a Surfer and Thor thread and post showings where Thor has actually beat Surfer majority of the time, my argument can be reversed by Darksaint posting matter manipulation, Surfer going intangible, he didnt create a black hole, etc, etc... lol, what's the point of using scans? No matter what Darkseid have done, a case can be made of Surfer or Firestorm pulling a high majority. HP Doomsday, Surfer opens a black hole in his brain or simy absorbs him into his board or bfr him 10/10.

Beings like Thor, Surfer, Firestorm, Captain Atom, Martian Manhunter become hax AF. Hyperion held 2 universes apart and survived 2 universes exploding on him. He stands in one spot while all of the high heralds pound on him and he doesnt receive a scratch. Crazy thing is, Darksaint not too long ago was using worms affecting Hyperion as a standard showing of his durability. This debating style that is going around on KMC is questionable at best. I'm debating my way. Been doing it longer than almost anyone here. I will continue posting scans proving my case and WILL NOT resort to debating powerset as a standard. Darksaint, do you boo boo. I dont mind.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
laughing out loud. I am indeed using the in character rule.

In character, Superman isn't going to keep at the same speed he was at if he's in danger of losing. We saw this with Doomsday - when the chips were down, he kept increasing his speed and put more strength in his hits.

In character, he's not stupid. Nor is he a masochist, enjoying the pain of getting hit. I can provide scans of this.

So IF he continually gets hit, it's either because of PIS, or the opponent is just that fast. If Hulk is not as fast, then he has nothing, I'm afraid.

So if I post the showing of him NOT using his speed when he is in danger, does that counter your argument? Or do we just accept the showing you mentioned over the showing/S I can post? Let me know, lil Pookie.

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