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Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) vs. The Runner (with the space gem)

1st round: In a race.
2nd round: In a fight.


Who wins?

Zoom

zoom might win a race but i'd take runner 100/100 in a fight. different class of overall power altogether.

Runner possibly wins with the SG. But without it, i'd say Zoom takes it.

I'd still go for Runner in a race.....

Originally posted by Deadline
I'd still go for Runner in a race.....
Why? Runner was below lightspeed.

Runner should logically stalemate or defeat Zoom since he has the space gem, but he is such an idiot that he will probably still lose this fight/race somehow.

And how is Runner less than lightspeed? IIRC he raced to the end of the universe along with other Marvel speedsters

Runner in both.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Runner should logically stalemate or defeat Zoom since he has the space gem, but he is such an idiot that he will probably still lose this fight/race somehow.

And how is Runner less than lightspeed? IIRC he raced to the end of the universe along with other Marvel speedsters
Runner was left in dust by Makkari when he went lightspeed. He was also unable to find escape a black hole on his own.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? Runner was below lightspeed.

Are you talking about that race that took place in Quasar (forgot the issue). The Runner with the SG can be light years away in a blink of the eye right?

I'm talking about Runner not able to escape a black hole.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm talking about Runner not able to escape a black hole.

When did this happen did thia hsppen when Galactus fought Inbetweener?

Silver Surfer v3 9

Originally posted by abhilegend
Silver Surfer v3 9

I've actually read that issue years ago not sure if I remember Runner getting sucked in I'm quite sure The Possessor did.

I dunno not sure what to think, I dunno looks to me like The Runner has the powerset to resist a black hole.....

^ All the Elders would have been sucked in if Galactus hadn't saved them, iirc.

Originally posted by Deadline
I've actually read that issue years ago not sure if I remember Runner getting sucked in I'm quite sure The Possessor did.

I dunno not sure what to think, I dunno looks to me like The Runner has the powerset to resist a black hole.....
Everyone was sucked in.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer gets owned by a black hole

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15417321_SS_v3_009_14a_zps6f32b324.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15417322_SS_v3_009_14b_zps4ceb7f9c.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15417323_SS_v3_009_15b_zps9032f545.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15417324_SS_v3_009_16b_zpsa306f7a4.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15417325_SS_v3_009_17a_zps6821d593.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15417326_SS_v3_010_03a_zps6798bc21.jpg

"Almost crushed to nothingness".

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm talking about Runner not able to escape a black hole.

I think that Marvel makes a bigger deal of black holes than DC does. In a way it's kind of like a reverse space cheese feat for the black hole. Being that it is capable of holding even the most powerful individuals. Just an idea.

^ yeah kinda

Originally posted by Stoic
I think that Marvel makes a bigger deal of black holes than DC does. In a way it's kind of like a reverse space cheese feat for the black hole. Being that it is capable of holding even the most powerful individuals. Just an idea.
How about no? You don't randomly assign power on black holes and the speed to escape it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about no? You don't randomly assign power on black holes and the speed to escape it. Some franchises make black holes a bigger deal then they are.

Since black holes consume light, I would assume that if a figure were to be comfortably above the speed of light, they could escape. :3

And Runner has been known to be one of the fastest things in the universe. :3

Runner only has about 13 appearances

I'm sure he would have better feats if used more.

Originally posted by Facee
Runner only has about 13 appearances

I'm sure he would have better feats if used more. Very sure. :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Very sure. :3
He's too powerful to pit against anyone really. If Surfer lasted seconds can you imagine someone else lasting longer?

Originally posted by Facee
He's too powerful to pit against anyone really. If Surfer lasted seconds can you imagine someone else lasting longer? Yes, the Living Tribunal would win. :3

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about no? You don't randomly assign power on black holes and the speed to escape it.

How about maybe. We did see Terrax escape into a black hole long ago and Dazzler went in after him. She was the herald of Galactus during that story, which means that it really depends on the writer. It's really just a space cheese incident since no hard number is ever really given.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Some franchises make black holes a bigger deal then they are.

Since black holes consume light, I would assume that if a figure were to be comfortably above the speed of light, they could escape. :3

And Runner has been known to be one of the fastest things in the universe. :3
Not marvel though.

Originally posted by Stoic
How about maybe. We did see Terrax escape into a black hole long ago and Dazzler went in after him. She was the herald of Galactus during that story, which means that it really depends on the writer. It's really just a space cheese incident since no hard number is ever really given.
Except he has no other feats which suggest he is lightspeed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except he has no other feats which suggest he is lightspeed. Did you know that it takes about eight minutes for something at the speed of light to reach the moon?

Well, Runner has traveled across the universe in a blink, so... :3

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Did you know that it takes about eight minutes for something at the speed of light to reach the moon? You might want to recheck your calcs, friend.

Originally posted by Galan007
You might want to recheck your calcs, friend. DAMN IT YOU RUINED MY ABHI LOGIC! X3

Originally posted by Galan007
You might want to recheck your calcs, friend. He didn't say from where.

Originally posted by Mindset
He didn't say from where. BOOM.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
DAMN IT YOU RUINED MY ABHI LOGIC! X3

It takes about 1.3 seconds from the Earth. But you're right, with the SG he can travel to the ends of a universe in an instant, which he stated during Thanos Quest. Without the SG, he may be sub light as Abhi mentioned. However he has the SG in this instance. It really may boil down to which writer you want to go with in this case.

Originally posted by Stoic
It takes about 1.3 seconds from the Earth. But you're right, with the SG he can travel to the ends of a universe in an instant, which he stated during Thanos Quest. Without the SG, he may be sub light as Abhi mentioned. However he has the SG in this instance. It really may boil down to which writer you want to go with in this case. I know the math thing was wrong.

But yes.

According to Marvel Official Handbook I believe the running can fly/run faster than light. But of course we all know Marvel contradicts itself from story to story.

Originally posted by Stoic
It takes about 1.3 seconds from the Earth. But you're right, with the SG he can travel to the ends of a universe in an instant, which he stated during Thanos Quest. Without the SG, he may be sub light as Abhi mentioned. However he has the SG in this instance. It really may boil down to which writer you want to go with in this case.

Thanos said the SG didn't make him faster.

Originally posted by Deadline
Thanos said the SG didn't make him faster. He HIMSELF said that it did. :3

Yeah but Thanos was right.

https://i.postimg.cc/Vvc7KQnj/img-0683-1.jpg

Current Runner loses but CLassic would have won, IMHO.

Current? What's wrong with current Runner?

i dont think runner was using the gem when he blitzed the crap out of thanos but i still dont think he hold a candle to zoom.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i dont think runner was using the gem when he blitzed the crap out of thanos but i still dont think he hold a candle to zoom. Well, what is the gem capable of?

Teleportation.

For me, Zooms fastest feat was, in the middle of battle with a bloodlusted Wally, he ran all the way back to Keystone City, to the hospital where Linda was, checked up on her, and came back.

Before Wally even knew he had gone.

AND Wally was amped by the speed he had taken from Jay Bart etc.
https://m.imgur.com/a/kN71H0q

Oh, that is impressive due to the fact that West is a speedster himself. X3

And for Runner?