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Dormammu vs Darkseid (New 52/rebirth). Both at full power.

Who wins?

Dormammu, easily.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Dormammu, easily.
Why?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why?

Dormammu destroying the entire Dark Dimension as a side effect of only a fit of rage:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/OEko9dcdGk4HA7WVF-IpgVMa0yMVKU9gJ4v-nOy3_CQ6nve_J2ArvtpAvV_vOvEuy7IUYrpkhPg=s1600

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/wm4i5quTRuYbIQGl7g_7iL6m-gIfmA1yMPvVwK-xHyYfbaPGAnsJJO1PKh13OS38czxPqilWR4Se=s1600

Both of these instances are an inferior version of Dormammu as well. The second scan you can see the entire dimension burning and what's more impressive is that Umar, Mordo, Clea and Strange himself were all working together in order of containing his powers....Meaning Dormammu's anger was enough to destroy the DD even when contained by multiple powerful beings.

It must be noted that Clea herself was extremely unaware of many adjacent realms in the DD, so she still didn't know its full size when made that statement. The Book of Vishanti even classifies the DD as a bigger cluster than the 616.

Darkseid.

I got the impression that Dormy was a skyfather level being and DS is subskyfather.

Dormammu eats him. eat

Darkseid is a multiversal god, as pointed out several times. He wins.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Darkseid is a multiversal god, as pointed out several times. He wins.

Since when?


Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Dormammu destroying the entire Dark Dimension as a side effect of only a fit of rage:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/OEko9dcdGk4HA7WVF-IpgVMa0yMVKU9gJ4v-nOy3_CQ6nve_J2ArvtpAvV_vOvEuy7IUYrpkhPg=s1600

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/wm4i5quTRuYbIQGl7g_7iL6m-gIfmA1yMPvVwK-xHyYfbaPGAnsJJO1PKh13OS38czxPqilWR4Se=s1600

Both of these instances are an inferior version of Dormammu as well. The second scan you can see the entire dimension burning and what's more impressive is that Umar, Mordo, Clea and Strange himself were all working together in order of containing his powers....Meaning Dormammu's anger was enough to destroy the DD even when contained by multiple powerful beings.

It must be noted that Clea herself was extremely unaware of many adjacent realms in the DD, so she still didn't know its full size when made that statement. The Book of Vishanti even classifies the DD as a bigger cluster than the 616.

Just to add I suspect beings like Dormy are more powerful in their home dimension.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Dormammu destroying the entire Dark Dimension as a side effect of only a fit of rage:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/OEko9dcdGk4HA7WVF-IpgVMa0yMVKU9gJ4v-nOy3_CQ6nve_J2ArvtpAvV_vOvEuy7IUYrpkhPg=s1600

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/wm4i5quTRuYbIQGl7g_7iL6m-gIfmA1yMPvVwK-xHyYfbaPGAnsJJO1PKh13OS38czxPqilWR4Se=s1600

He threatened a splinter realm/pocket universe, why is that impressive again?



Lolwut? Dark Dimension is a splinter realm, a pocket dimension adjacent to 616 universe.

Comicvine is just filled with idiots, isn't it?

Originally posted by Deadline
I got the impression that Dormy was a skyfather level being and DS is subskyfather.
You are ignorant of recent comics. What a shocker!

Originally posted by Deadline
Since when?




Just to add I suspect beings like Dormy are more powerful in their home dimension.

Darkseid and the New Gods exist across the multiverse. What you see, is just a fraction of their power. This was also pointed out in Multiversity. Its also pointed out in WW 55.

https://i.imgur.com/bOpmgjm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OH10vms.jpg

The same Darkseid that fought the AntiMonitor with the AntiLife Equation?

That Darkseid should win. He was matching AM pretty nicely.

He was beating him even, until AM fused flash and sicced him on him

Originally posted by Damborgson
He was beating him even, until AM fused flash and sicced him on him
Until he used the ALE to control death.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He threatened a splinter realm/pocket universe, why is that impressive again?



Lolwut? Dark Dimension is a splinter realm, a pocket dimension adjacent to 616 universe.

Comicvine is just filled with idiots, isn't it?

No, It isn't. it was confirmed to be larger than 616

Marvel acknowledge the Dark Dimension being composed of multiple realities into one. It's even referenced as a parallel universe of the 616 during X-Force#69

https://i.postimg.cc/GBC4gwy3/pim.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No, It isn't. it was confirmed to be larger than 616

Marvel acknowledge the Dark Dimension being composed of multiple realities into one. It's even referenced as a parallel universe of the 616 during X-Force#69

https://i.postimg.cc/GBC4gwy3/pim.jpg

Anti-Monitor is one of the only beings that can access the 6th Dimension. He's a universal buster, and Darky stalemated him.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Anti-Monitor is one of the only beings that can access the 6th Dimension. He's a universal buster, and Darky stalemated him.

where is the combat analog in "entering the 6th diemension?"

Last JL issue. Darkseid is above skyfather. Dormammu is Skyfather at best.

I guess the thing is that the OP said at full power...

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Last JL issue. Darkseid is above skyfather. Dormammu is Skyfather at best.

what? How does being able to access the "6h dimension" give you universal destructive powers?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
what? How does being able to access the "6h dimension" give you universal destructive powers?

Only the top celestial beings can access it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No, It isn't. it was confirmed to be larger than 616

Where?

Yes, parallel dimensions. But still pocket dimensions.

https://i.postimg.cc/CRQv99CH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SXYZ4VD0/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CBycxDQR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/34gn4Rsn/image.jpg

Clearly shown in Magik and confirmed in handbooks as well.

Originally posted by Deadline
I got the impression that Dormy was a skyfather level being and DS is subskyfather.

lol what year is this, I legit thought I'm back in comic vine at 2009 when I read this statement

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Only the top celestial beings can access it.

doesn't really tell me anything, what does that have to do with bein able to destroy a universe on a whim

Originally posted by MrMind
lol what year is this, I legit thought I'm back in comic vine at 2009 when I read this statement

Um why?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where?

Yes, parallel dimensions. But still pocket dimensions.

https://i.postimg.cc/CRQv99CH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/SXYZ4VD0/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CBycxDQR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/34gn4Rsn/image.jpg

Clearly shown in Magik and confirmed in handbooks as well.

The Limbo an omiversal nexus, so being connected to the DD doesn't make the latter a pocket universe.

Originally posted by Deadline
Um why?

cause if you read any of his appearances in new52 you would not make such statement

Originally posted by MrMind
cause if you read any of his appearances in new52 you would not make such statement

No I haven't. Lighten up.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The Limbo an omiversal nexus, so being connected to the DD doesn't make the latter a pocket universe.
No, being a splinter realm makes it a pocket universe.

alberto is the new carver, but without all the charisma

Can anyone show evidence as to why Anti Monitor was multiversal in Darkseid wars besides stealing the energy of a dead planet?

Lol. He was destroying universes as per Metron.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. He was destroying universes as per Metron.

And metron was referring to COIE as literally seen in the panel youre refering too. ...last time Anti monitor was shown on panel prior to Darkseid wars he was nekrons *****

And the time before that he was killed by a galaxy buster and superboy prime flying thru his chest

But that.....doesn't mean it never happened.

So .....He's still destroyed universes. COUNTLESS times.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Can anyone show evidence as to why Anti Monitor was multiversal in Darkseid wars besides stealing the energy of a dead planet?
no,darkseid war's anti-monitor not just engulfing earth,but also engulfing universes(even been showed was he who destroyed earth 3 krypton)
"you have consumed all the power you can from this unvierse"and in next scan,"but i will find you another universe to consume"
https://i.imgur.com/DfmHJeQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/uCXF2vF.jpg
again,another prove AM is consuming universes
https://i.imgur.com/gfYWvUX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/navxdtg.jpg
"like he did to krypton"
https://imgur.com/a/SzrXZzy
https://imgur.com/a/1SuDiiL
https://imgur.com/a/WaP5EnH

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that.....doesn't mean it never happened.

So .....He's still destroyed universes. COUNTLESS times.

I didnt say it never happened but youre ignoring that he hasnt operated on those levels in decades and has been taken down by far less in recent years

Case in point ...If AM was operating at those same levels whyd he need grails help? If he can access the 6th dimension then why couldnt he access earth1 without Help

He needed Grail.... Because Darkseid was that uber?

Also needed her because she was DS’s daughter and there was a prophecy with her

Are you refering to earth 2 the planet or earth 2 the universe

Ive yet to see Black Racer do anything on a universal scale

He's death.....For the entire universe.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Are you refering to earth 2 the planet or earth 2 the universe

Ive yet to see Black Racer do anything on a universal scale

Both. Constantine was a tie-in and showed darkseid and his forces destroying earth 2 and the universe. Even heaven closed its gates and hid. Showed Darkseid attacking various planes of existence

Justice League: Darkseid War: Flash. As mentioned in the comic black racer was the universal embodiment of death who, if left unchecked, is capable of erasing ALL life in the universe(including 'Gods'). That’s why AM needed him to kill Darkseid

Darkseid wins

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Can anyone show evidence as to why Anti Monitor was multiversal in Darkseid wars besides stealing the energy of a dead planet?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. He was destroying universes as per Metron.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And metron was referring to COIE as literally seen in the panel youre refering too. ...last time Anti monitor was shown on panel prior to Darkseid wars he was nekrons *****

And the time before that he was killed by a galaxy buster and superboy prime flying thru his chest

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that.....doesn't mean it never happened.

So .....He's still destroyed universes. COUNTLESS times.

Maybe the universes that he was destroying were as large as Haiti? Hmmmm... something to ponder right?

@darksaint @km what does that have to do with him being able to One shot a universe? By that Logic Thanos is Universal by Default ..

Originally posted by Stoic
Maybe the universes that he was destroying were as large as Haiti? Hmmmm... something to ponder right?

Only if you're retarded......

So by youre own admission black racer who is a universal entity of death who if left unchecked who destroy all life in the universe eventually ...was able to one shot Darkseid with ease who you claim is above universal

Originally posted by Stoic
Maybe the universes that he was destroying were as large as Haiti? Hmmmm... something to ponder right?
That would be an argument if you dont read DC comics at all

There are 52 universes...like COME ON.



Do people even try making arguments these days or do they just throw enough words at the wall to see what sticks.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@darksaint @km what does that have to do with him being able to One shot a universe? By that Logic Thanos is Universal by Default ..

Please read my first post.

As a matter of fact iirc after convergance Earth 2s universe was still there the only thing Darkseid destroyed was The planet Earth 2 which was then replaced hold on let me double check to be sure

Heaven isn't, contrary to the song, a place on Earth.

The same Green lantern central power battery that was only capable of Destroying a galaxy in Sinestro corp wars? That central battery?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Please read my first post.

All Mungiforce in existence cannot help you now.

Run, you fool.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/c6b7b1b70b6a79fd4732656b867ff3a0/tumblr_mvatu3WAHo1qda125o1_250.gif

Lol.



......



Are you arguing against yourself?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Can anyone show evidence as to why Anti Monitor was multiversal in Darkseid wars besides stealing the energy of a dead planet?

Also:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111255753/4839726-4830662-6089706013-47621+%281%29.jpg

And:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111218104/4389121-0474689048-Const.jpg

No apologies for screen stretching.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No apologies for screen stretching.

You need to print those scans and physically deliver them to Alberto, at once.

You missed the point of the story. He was absorbing the universe to gain its energy for the fight. Both AM and Darkseif were doing it not make a big boom and universe gone. No different then Earth 3 universe being destroyed but showed AM and Grail on earth 3

As mentioned Constaintine #21-22 shows him absorbing the universe

Heaven under attack and closes its gates and flees
https://imgur.com/a/7hpXLIF


Shows Constatine traveling between realms and their all under attack and being killed. Even directly states "universal DEATH"
https://imgur.com/a/hHwivwj

Here Darkseifd forces are absorbing the flame that births all the souls in the universe
https://imgur.com/a/evWIaVJ

Constantine talks about how he destroyed one universe already and will have this one if he doesn't act fast
https://imgur.com/a/G3iFq1C

Darkseid was tricked by Constantine thinking he already consumed this universe and left.
https://imgur.com/a/JrJ9OpQ

etc etc etc. More then just attacking Earth as noted

Constantine #23 refers to Darkseid as a battery charging feeding on the universe

Note Constantine's words in MY scan.

'He destroyed one universe, and he'll have this one too.'

Edit: also, speaking of Earth-2:

http://i.imgur.com/6GZL644.jpg

'My allies have shown me how to focus the potential of the multiverse'

http://i.imgur.com/5SDW5qj.jpg

SHORYUKEN!

Concerning the Convergence scans to prove Darkseid "didnt destroy/absorb earth2 as it was still there after convergance"

yeeeeeah you might want to mention that was a newly recreated "Earth 2". Actually to be exact is wasn't even their earth they just took it over which was dead and was rebuilt and came back to life due to Talos, Brianiac and Alan Scott. Then it got transported to their universe by Talos as their original earth was gone

Heck it even mentions that in the scans you posted (also scans you didn't include which you should have)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Only if you're retarded......

Well the same thought processes went into the Dark Dimension being a pocket dimension. Does that mean that it's as large as a closet? You had your agenda from the very start DS. You're getting tunnel vision dude and you don't see it. It's all cool though. I have a tale of the pot n kettle that I can share with you if you'd like?

Originally posted by -K-M-
You missed the point of the story. He was absorbing the universe to gain its energy for the fight. Both AM and Darkseif were doing it not make a big boom and universe gone. No different then Earth 3 universe being destroyed but showed AM and Grail on earth 3

As mentioned Constaintine #21-22 shows him absorbing the universe

Heaven under attack and closes its gates and flees
https://imgur.com/a/7hpXLIF


Shows Constatine traveling between realms and their all under attack and being killed. Even directly states "universal DEATH"
https://imgur.com/a/hHwivwj

Here Darkseifd forces are absorbing the flame that births all the souls in the universe
https://imgur.com/a/evWIaVJ

Constantine talks about how he destroyed one universe already and will have this one if he doesn't act fast
https://imgur.com/a/G3iFq1C

Darkseid was tricked by Constantine thinking he already consumed this universe and left.
https://imgur.com/a/JrJ9OpQ

etc etc etc. More then just attacking Earth as noted

Constantine #23 refers to Darkseid as a battery charging feeding on the universe

Man i dont see any universal destruction in any of those panels and as my scan proved earth2s universe is still there ....so are you saying earth2s universe is dead?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Concerning the Convergence scans to prove Darkseid "didnt destroy/absorb earth2 as it was still there after convergance"

yeeeeeah you might want to mention that was a newly recreated "Earth 2". Actually to be exact is wasn't even their earth they just took it over which was dead and was rebuilt and came back to life due to Talos, Brianiac and Alan Scott. Then it got transported to their universe by Talos as their original earth was gone

Heck it even mentions that in the scans you posted (also scans you didn't include which you should have)

Again What does that have to do with earth2s universe still being there ...never once did i claim earth 2 the planet wasnt destroyed

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, being a splinter realm makes it a pocket universe.

Surtur's own Muspelheim is a Splinter-Realm and by current sources, it can also be considered a full-fledged universe. The concept of the Splinter Realms is quite confused because was only introduced in the Magik storyline and never touched again. I don't think most even writers even recognized that anymore, honestly.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Man i dont see any universal destruction in any of those panels and as my scan proved earth2s universe is still there ....so are you saying earth2s universe is dead?

Yes. Because you know how I can say that? Because the comic stated that. Multiple times

You do realize convergence brought back dead universes/timelines right?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Man i dont see any universal destruction in any of those panels and as my scan proved earth2s universe is still there ....so are you saying earth2s universe is dead?

Earth 2 went bye bye

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


No apologies for screen stretching.

If you knew how much of a pain this has been on my Xbox. I'm going to track you down and kick you in the groin so hard that in the future your kids will scream in horror as they watch themselves fade from existence.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes. Because you know how I can say that? Because the comic stated that. Multiple times

You do realize convergence brought back dead universes/timelines right?

Yea but that was only to prevent COIE

https://i.postimg.cc/p5RgSGCh/pi.jpg


And Alan Scott Confirms here they were taken back to there own timeline because they got a distress signal from the people they left there
https://i.postimg.cc/ZC75rpYF/als.jpg

Which is After earth 2 dick Confirmed here they were being looked for in the arc Mr.Terrific put them in before they left
https://i.postimg.cc/XrB4dPz4/dvs.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
Well the same thought processes went into the Dark Dimension being a pocket dimension. Does that mean that it's as large as a closet? You had your agenda from the very start DS. You're getting tunnel vision dude and you don't see it. It's all cool though. I have a tale of the pot n kettle that I can share with you if you'd like?

But those universes were never called pocket or splinter universes.

Were they? Share those scans if you like.

Also from Dr Strange 31.

https://i.imgur.com/tX3DfUB.jpg

Straight up stated to be a pocket universe.

Dormammu's Dark Dimension is Not a traditional "pocket verse," because it's far bigger.

The Dark Dimension is made up of "countless" pocket dimensions,
and, it was originally a regular universe that fractured into what it became.
One infinite universe, broke into a group of endless mini universes, the Dark Dimension.

It's been labeled both a pocket and universe on panel, but I described its true meaning.

It's no doubt a special case and open to interpretation.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Surtur's own Muspelheim is a Splinter-Realm and by current sources, it can also be considered a full-fledged universe. The concept of the Splinter Realms is quite confused because was only introduced in the Magik storyline and never touched again. I don't think most even writers even recognized that anymore, honestly.
No, Musplheim is also a pocket universe. Originally posted by Mr Master
Dormammu's Dark Dimension is Not a traditional "pocket verse," because it's far bigger.

The Dark Dimension is made up of "countless" pocket dimensions,
and, it was originally a regular universe that fractured into what it became.
One infinite universe, broke into a group of endless mini universes, the Dark Dimension.

It's been labeled both a pocket and universe on panel, but I described its true meaning.

It's no doubt a special case and open to interpretation.
It is never described as a full universe except once IIRC. It's always a pocket universe.

But if it's a collective of countless pockets, how can it be just another pocket?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But those universes were never called pocket or splinter universes.

Were they? Share those scans if you like.
Still waiting

Originally posted by Mr Master
But if it's a collective of countless pockets, how can it be just another pocket?
Because it's said to be a pocket universe and alternate universe handbook never classified it as an alternate universe.

Darkseid simply waves his hand, and Dormammu is erased