Progenitor Vs Sersi

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Senor Cage
https://i.imgur.com/qfsWssr.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/vkfzMWh.jpg

Galan007
Eh, how is this not tremendous spite?

Originally posted by Galan007
Progenitor created an entire galaxy just to keep him company:
http://i.imgur.com/50gqdWw.jpg

He also contained the 'Omniphagos' -- a creature that was already galaxy-level, with the potential to consume the whole of existence:
http://i.imgur.com/vEZDQBL.jpg


*For those unfamiliar with Progenitor: he is essentially Element Lad with billionS of years of experience mastering his powers, thanks to a rather unfortunate series of events:
https://i.imgur.com/kUwU1f8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ybLbhHj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TJCQdWL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DTqtHMG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ESbkYb5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZI7nGlC.jpg

He's no less than a high-end Skyfather, imo.

zopzop
In terms of raw power, Progenitor is several tiers above Sersi. But how good are his mental defenses? Could he withstand a mindr@pe?

Galan007
Even Saturn Girl's all-out TP barely had any effect at all on Jan:
https://i.imgur.com/4Vmf8JH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dYVYOw5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lAxVlXY.jpg

...And SG is a universal telepath.

cdtm
Titans are used as galactic level communications hubs. Saturn Girls tp is ridiculous above the likes of J'onn or Xavier.


So, yeah.

StyleTime
This is a bit more complicated than that I think.

That is Earth-247 Saturn Girl, who has no universal feats I remember. I don't recall anything above large city level from her without amps.

Even still, Imra did appear to get him, pointing out mental attacks are his weak spot. He fights her off of course, but it took a second. Maybe Sersi could pull it off.
https://postimg.cc/Fk9B5ztf

Then again, may not make a difference.

cdtm
Originally posted by StyleTime
This is a bit more complicated than that I think.

That is Earth-247 Saturn Girl, who has no universal feats I remember. I don't recall anything above large city level from her without amps.

Even still, Imra did appear to get him, pointing out mental attacks are his weak spot. He fights her off of course, but it took a second. Maybe Sersi could pull it off.
https://postimg.cc/Fk9B5ztf

Then again, may not make a difference.

It's a pretty tough call.

That stuff he transmuted his body in to, survived the Big Bang, formation of the universe, all the way up to the LOSH future era.

The same stuff encased Singularity, who's like a super amped Sebastian Shaw that was taking attacks from Ultra Boy and Kon El, making him stronger. And, the same stuff encased a cosmic.monster that could steamroll pretty much everything if it got to inhabited space (Until it got free, which only proves how op it is.)


Even if Sersi could distract him for a moment, there's the question of whether she can even manipulate the material he turned his body into.

Galan007
Originally posted by StyleTime
Even still, Imra did appear to get him, pointing out mental attacks are his weak spot. He fights her off of course, but it took a second. Maybe Sersi could pull it off.
https://postimg.cc/Fk9B5ztf

Then again, may not make a difference. She may have thought mental attacks were his 'weakness', but based on how easily Jan owned her TP assault(on the very same page), along with the fact that he suffered no ill-effects afterward, I'd be inclined to say that she was definitely incorrect.

It might take me a second to brush dog hair off my shirt, and it might even annoy the hell out of me, but in the end it's still just a minor inconvenience. Same thing here: it was ultimately Imra who was incapacitated by the sheer effort she expended in trying to TP Jan, while Jan himself was perfectly fine. /shrug

Zelax
Yeah, Lar utterly stomps Sersi here.

StyleTime
Originally posted by cdtm
It's a pretty tough call.

That stuff he transmuted his body in to, survived the Big Bang, formation of the universe, all the way up to the LOSH future era.

The same stuff encased Singularity, who's like a super amped Sebastian Shaw that was taking attacks from Ultra Boy and Kon El, making him stronger. And, the same stuff encased a cosmic.monster that could steamroll pretty much everything if it got to inhabited space (Until it got free, which only proves how op it is.)

Even if Sersi could distract him for a moment, there's the question of whether she can even manipulate the material he turned his body into.
Oh, if he can resist her he definitely wins 100% of the time. I'm not arguing that.
Originally posted by Galan007
She may have thought mental attacks were his 'weakness', but based on how easily Jan owned her TP assault(on the very same page), along with the fact that he suffered no ill-effects afterward, I'd be inclined to say that she was definitely incorrect.

It might take me a second to brush dog hair off my shirt, and it might even annoy the hell out of me, but in the end it's still just a minor inconvenience. Same thing here: it was ultimately Imra who was incapacitated by the sheer effort she expended in trying to TP Jan, while Jan himself was perfectly fine. /shrug
It's possible, true. The author may have intended the event as a general "telepathy won't work" example.

It's also possible that Imra was too weak to fully exploit the vulnerability though. I don't feel like "weakness" has to mean an auto-win for whoever attacks it. She got into his head, but it may take a stronger telepath to actually end the fight. Sersi may fare better in that regard. It's similar to Thor vs Phoenix Fragment Emma and Xavier. Thor resisted Emma just fine, but Xavier blew him completely out the water.

It's why I think it's complicated. Like I said, it may not even matter. Progenitor might treat Sersi the same way as Imra. I'm just trying to explore her only real option here.

DarkSaint85
It's really not that complicated.

*Checks thread starter*

StyleTime
I'm throwing him a bone with those posts I guess.

There's not really a strong argument to make for Sersi. Just vague speculation.

So, prep is still in peak form.

Zelax
Originally posted by Zelax
Yeah, Lar utterly stomps Sersi here.
Oops, i was confusing Lar with Jan. Saying that Lar Gand would stomp. laughing

Galan007
Originally posted by StyleTime
It's also possible that Imra was too weak to fully exploit the vulnerability though. I don't feel like "weakness" has to mean an auto-win for whoever attacks it. She got into his head, but it may take a stronger telepath to actually end the fight. Sersi may fare better in that regard. It's similar to Thor vs Phoenix Fragment Emma and Xavier. Thor resisted Emma just fine, but Xavier blew him completely out the water.

It's why I think it's complicated. Like I said, it may not even matter. Progenitor might treat Sersi the same way as Imra. I'm just trying to explore her only real option here. I get what you're saying.

But again, Imra stated that Jan's mind was his 'weakness' literally a panel before Jan completely and utterly owned her attempt at mind-phuckery and left her incapacitated and drooling on the floor, while Jan himself was completely unaffected.

That being said, at the very least it's clear that Jan's mind wasn't remotely the "weak spot" Imra believed it was, imo.

Senor Cage
I thought that version of Saturn Girl is one of the weakest.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Galan007
I get what you're saying.

But again, Imra stated that Jan's mind was his 'weakness' literally a panel before Jan completely and utterly owned her attempt at mind-phuckery and left her incapacitated and drooling on the floor, while Jan himself was completely unaffected.

That being said, at the very least it's clear that Jan's mind wasn't remotely the "weak spot" Imra believed it was, imo.
True. I'm factoring in the preceding pages too though. While Jan does KO her, Jan didn't do it immediately. I'd argue they battled about a couple of minutes, as we see a few conversations/other actions occur in the pages between her initial attack and subsequent KO, with it being mentioned Imra is buying them time. Additionally, she stopped his attack on Cham and enabled the Omniphagos to get free, with Jan complaining about her interference later. Even though she couldn't sustain the attack, I'm still left wondering if a stronger telepath(Sersi) wouldn't have performed better.

I agree that Imra underestimated his defense though. And I'm unsure if the gap between Sersi and Imra is enough to make up the difference between Imra and Jan. As you said, Jan does come out unscathed, so it implies he has the reserves to fight someone stronger too.

I can see either take. What you're saying totally makes sense, and even I'm skeptical of Sersi's case, as I can't credibly frame it with anything but "I wonder...". It's mostly just me speculating.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
I thought that version of Saturn Girl is one of the weakest.
She should be above 3boot Imra and below Earth 0.

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