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Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
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Will definitely check it out, but a 78 year old Captain Picard? Seems like he'd be an admirable sitting behind a desk making crucial Star Fleet decisions or retired at this point, not jaunting around the galaxy in a star ship on weekly adventures again.

I'll check it out.

Btw, anyone hear about the new deep space nine documentary? It reveals some things, like that Garak was gay. Oh, and an 8th season would have been in the future and the first episode would have had Nog, now captain of a starship, killed in an explosion and it would explore the mystery around it.

I always wanted to see an Adventures Of Captain Nog type mini series.

Originally posted by Robtard
Will definitely check it out, but a 78 year old Captain Picard? Seems like he'd be an admirable sitting behind a desk making crucial Star Fleet decisions or retired at this point, not jaunting around the galaxy in a star ship on weekly adventures again.


my guess is he'll be an admiral, but clearly this'll be leas and bounds better than discovery

Originally posted by Surtur
I'll check it out.

Btw, anyone hear about the new deep space nine documentary? It reveals some things, like that Garak was gay. Oh, and an 8th season would have been in the future and the first episode would have had Nog, now captain of a starship, killed in an explosion and it would explore the mystery around it.

Wait, you didn't know Garak liked the D?

LoLz, how did you miss that, it was all but outright said in the series.

I thought it was just implied that Garak was pansexual, tbh.

Leaked image from the set of Picard:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6shNmRXoAQropK?format=jpg&name=large

Loving those new uniforms.

Odo and Quark had some odd sexual tension thing going on, too.

Originally posted by cdtm
Odo and Quark had some odd sexual tension thing going on, too.


Always seemed more like a frenemies thing to me, Odo also had a weird tension with everybody.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wait, you didn't know Garak liked the D?

LoLz, how did you miss that, it was all but outright said in the series.

I suspected he liked Bashir and was thus gay, but this is confirmation.

Yeah, it was pretty obvious.


A bit sad, too, considering Bashar never showed tthe slightest hint of bi-sexuality, and slept with as many women as fans only think Kirk slept with.

Bashar always struck me as a little bit gay. Not that that's bad at all.

Well he couldnt be pure gay because he had a girlfriend (Ziyal). So must have been Bi.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, it was pretty obvious.


A bit sad, too, considering Bashar never showed tthe slightest hint of bi-sexuality, and slept with as many women as fans only think Kirk slept with.

Lol what? Bashir wanted to f*ck Miles.

He was just trying to save him from Keiko.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well he couldnt be pure gay because he had a girlfriend (Ziyal). So must have been Bi.


He also had a LOT of lovers. Every one a woman/alien equivalent.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was just trying to save him from Keiko.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought it was just implied that Garak was pansexual, tbh.

Leaked image from the set of Picard:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6shNmRXoAQropK?format=jpg&name=large

Loving those new uniforms.


those new uniforms ae very nice

Originally posted by -Pr-
He was just trying to save him from Keiko.

I guess he figured gay love was the best way to do it.

trailer was awesome...


https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/05/23/star-trek-picard-trailer-released/

Michael Chabon is showrunner...

https://deadline.com/2019/06/michael-chabon-showrunner-star-trek-picard-cbs-all-access-series-1202638580/

Recent posters released show Picard with a dog. It has a collar with a starfleet logo and a "1" on it.

Dude named hims dog Number 1. Awesome.

https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/07/10/star-trek-picard-dog-number-1-next-generation-easter-egg/

Brent Spiner, Jonathon Frakes, Jeri Ryan and Jonathon Del Arco all appear..

new trailer as well

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-discovery-casts-david-ajala-as-team-teases-season-3-time-jump-1225849

Should have stolen these two's show ideas.

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Okay the full trailer has got me hyped.

I liked seeing the "Captain Picard Day" banner. And Seven of Nine. Nice. Of course most welcome is...Data.

TBH, I was disappointed. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it just seemed... Off, somehow. I hope I'm wrong.

Seven of Nine?


Same actress?

Originally posted by -Pr-
TBH, I was disappointed. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it just seemed... Off, somehow. I hope I'm wrong.



There's no going back. I doubt the work environment of this day and age even allows the kind of whimsy TNG relied on.

Originally posted by cdtm
Seven of Nine?


Same actress?

Yes.

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Originally posted by cdtm
Seven of Nine?


Same actress?

Yup.

Originally posted by cdtm
There's no going back. I doubt the work environment of this day and age even allows the kind of whimsy TNG relied on.

It's the tone and the premise that bother me, but ****ing Data is in it, so I can't not give it a chance.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Yup.



It's the tone and the premise that bother me, but ****ing Data is in it, so I can't not give it a chance. The tone does seem off to me also but I'm comparing it the Next Generation and this isn't that.

I wonder if Data is going to be CGI?

Originally posted by -Pr-

but ****ing Data is in it, so I can't not give it a chance.


Exactly!

Though I wouldnt expect him to have a huge role.


Originally posted by juggernaut74

I wonder if Data is going to be CGI?

I hope so. Just in make up Brent Spiners age was really starting to show in the later movies, and even that was like 16 years ago lol

But CGI has caught up since then, and like Discovery this seems to have movie level effects.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The tone does seem off to me also but I'm comparing it the Next Generation and this isn't that.

I wonder if Data is going to be CGI?

I don't even want the same tone as TNG; I just didn't get "serious sci-fi" show from it either.

I imagine they've de-aged him, like they did with SLJ in Captain Marvel. Spiner is probably on set in some variation of the make-up with the artists doing the work to hide his age.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Exactly!

Though I wouldnt expect him to have a huge role.




I hope so. Just in make up Brent Spiners age was really starting to show in the later movies, and even that was like 16 years ago lol

But CGI has caught up since then, and like Discovery this seems to have movie level effects.

Same. This is obviously about a new generation, and Picard is just kind of there with them.

Saw the trailer; I got a massive boner. Can't wait for this.

picard's admiral uniform....


https://i.postimg.cc/9fdjJdzB/star-trek-picard-admiral-uniform-photo-696x464.jpg

It's being said the show will "take on Trump and Brexit". Look in the past Star Trek has been skilled at approaching social and political issues so it has that going for it, but I just hope the TDS some suffer from hasn't made its way into the writers room here.

So I'm not even saying don't take on these issues, but don't be deranged about it.

If they said that, it's going to be Discovery all over again.

Damn it's Sir Patrick himself saying it. Going on rants about trump and brexit. Depending on how much creative control he has(if any) this could be bad.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/patrick-stewart-star-trek-picard-a-response-to-the-fed-world-of-brexit-trump

Yes it's a conservative site, but it does have quotes from him featured so you can ignore how they frame it and just read what he says.

Liberal politics in Star Trek?? That's very odd.

Top guy Patrick Stewart.

Patrick Stewart is a superb actor and I still got a boner for this show, can't wait. I expect it will deliver Trek goodness.

Trumper's preemptively crying nonsense about this show even before it's out is funny though, never change.

It's my opinion that Star Trek should be above stuff like that, because it's supposed to be part of humanity's past.

I just want this to be good, but I'm getting more and more worried that it won't be, and that it'll be Discovery all over again.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's my opinion that Star Trek should be above stuff like that, because it's supposed to be part of humanity's past.

I just want this to be good, but I'm getting more and more worried that it won't be, and that it'll be Discovery all over again.

Bingo.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Liberal politics in Star Trek?? That's very odd.

There is a difference between being a liberal and being a leftist. The worry from some people is that Trek will shift from the former to the latter.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's my opinion that Star Trek should be above stuff like that, because it's supposed to be part of humanity's past.

I just want this to be good, but I'm getting more and more worried that it won't be, and that it'll be Discovery all over again.

I don't think we're going to have a geriatric Picard autistically screaming "Donald Trump!" in this show as some seem to think... if so, I'll gladly eat crow.

This show, or part of this show seems to be on the premise that Star Fleet as an institution has changed and isn't the SF of yesterday, but a darker version if itself. That right there is a great premise if done correctly. TBH, it's got me a little wet.

I don't think anyone thinks Picard will specifically scream about Trump, rather just that there will be cringeworthy allusions to Trump.

Let us hope there aren't

Very highly doubt it. Some people will see what they want to see though. Tilting at windwills and that.

Hope you are right cuz it will be all kinds of sad if they pull that

sorry to you trump lovers but f&ck that bastard...


as for picard in 9 days i find out if its good or not

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think we're going to have a geriatric Picard autistically screaming "Donald Trump!" in this show as some seem to think... if so, I'll gladly eat crow.

This show, or part of this show seems to be on the premise that Star Fleet as an institution has changed and isn't the SF of yesterday, but a darker version if itself. That right there is a great premise if done correctly. TBH, it's got me a little wet.

Well, obviously they'd use an allegory. Because hopefully that **** would be long dead by then.

Honestly, if it was any other franchise, I'd be all for it. But this is Star Trek. For years it was the one big sci-fi franchise that painted humanity as the best possible version of itself. Even in DS9, the bad guys were the exception, not the rule.

Fair enough on wanting to keep Trek at its roots, and I would be lying if part of me didn't want that as well. But we've had dips along the way that hint at a possible darker side, if both the original timeline and Kelvin.

But I think if done right, this angle could be fantastic.

Oh is this about Stewarts Brexit comments? Guy was a proper anti-Brexit activist here, so it doesnt surprise me.

But yeah would be a big step back for humanity in Trek. Although the potential for humanity to step back was hinted at a fair few times in DS9.

Hopefully its executed well.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, obviously they'd use an allegory. Because hopefully that **** would be long dead by then.

Honestly, if it was any other franchise, I'd be all for it. But this is Star Trek. For years it was the one big sci-fi franchise that painted humanity as the best possible version of itself. Even in DS9, the bad guys were the exception, not the rule.


In the Pale Moonlight?

Originally posted by cdtm
In the Pale Moonlight?


Hey Sisko aint the bad guy! Hes just likes to live in the grey area at times.

Originally posted by Surtur
Damn it's Sir Patrick himself saying it. Going on rants about trump and brexit. Depending on how much creative control he has(if any) this could be bad.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/patrick-stewart-star-trek-picard-a-response-to-the-fed-world-of-brexit-trump

Yes it's a conservative site, but it does have quotes from him featured so you can ignore how they frame it and just read what he says.

Why would this be a surprise? He was pretty vocal in the run up to the Brexit vote. So much so that he did this

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Ah well, can't be too mad at the dude. I remember him tweaking out cuz he found out u could buy pizza in slices. Lol.

Originally posted by Surtur
There is a difference between being a liberal and being a leftist. The worry from some people is that Trek will shift from the former to the latter. They abolished money and people work for the greater good... They are communists.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
They abolished money and people work for the greater good... They are communists.

They aren't communists lol. It's a post scarcity society. Sisko's dad owns a restaurant.

Starfleet officers must use some kind of currency to buy stuff from Quark too.

Currency obviously has to be used to deal with other species. But humans themselves (and presumably the federation) dont trade in money between themselves. (But thats why DS9 was so great. They accepted Earth and humanity is near perfect, but they are not on Earth, and only very few of them are human).

That said calling them communists might be simplifying it a little methinks. Clearly if you live on the Enterprise you are living a more luxurious life than if you live on a standard Starship. And only the best get to be on the Enterprise.

Originally posted by cdtm
In the Pale Moonlight?

Yes; that episode works so well BECAUSE of what had been previously established in the lore. Sisko wouldn't have felt the guilt he did if he didn't consider Starfleet and the Federation at large to be far more honourable than he was being at that point in time.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Currency obviously has to be used to deal with other species. But humans themselves (and presumably the federation) dont trade in money between themselves. (But thats why DS9 was so great. They accepted Earth and humanity is near perfect, but they are not on Earth, and only very few of them are human).

That said calling them communists might be simplifying it a little methinks. Clearly if you live on the Enterprise you are living a more luxurious life than if you live on a standard Starship. And only the best get to be on the Enterprise.

To be fair, Federation credits do exist. What they're used for is the big question, as they have no value to the likes of the Ferengi.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
They abolished money and people work for the greater good... They are communists.

"The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century... The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity." - Captain Picard


"A lot has changed in three hundred years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of 'things'. We have eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions." - Captain Picard

Premiere of the new series is out today. I'm about to begin the episode.

So my thoughts: I enjoyed it. Has me a lot more intrigued than the first episode of Discovery did(though that series did improve). So far nothing cringeworthy or anything. Looking forward to more episodes

About to watch it myself.

==

As far as the previous argument goes, the Federation itself isn't communist. Earth might be (but I would consider it to be at least somewhat socialist, not to mention democratic), but individual Federation worlds have far too much autonomy.

Also, while money itself is largely gone by the 24th century, compensation still exists. How else would vineyards, farms and dilithium mines function?

holy damn shit.. what a great premiere episode. watching this show i was reminded how much i miss star trek especially the next generation... seeing patrick back as picard bings such joy into my life.

dahj and her twin soji are data's daughters

this show looks like it'll have a ton of action which is something im looking forward to seeing...

well next thursday.. make it so

Watched it. It has some flaws, but it has enough potential to keep me interested in watching it next week. I feel like as the episodes pass though, it's going to fall more and more on Stewart to carry it, and that's not a good thing.

And I feel like, even with all the promotional material we've seen, the borg are going to play a bigger role than i had expected. That feels like a mistake for me.

But we'll see. Fingers crossed.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
holy damn shit.. what a great premiere episode. watching this show i was reminded how much i miss star trek especially the next generation... seeing patrick back as picard bings such joy into my life.

dahj and her twin soji are data's daughters

this show looks like it'll have a ton of action which is something im looking forward to seeing...

well next thursday.. make it so

Originally posted by -Pr-
Watched it. It has some flaws, but it has enough potential to keep me interested in watching it next week. I feel like as the episodes pass though, it's going to fall more and more on Stewart to carry it, and that's not a good thing.

And I feel like, even with all the promotional material we've seen, the borg are going to play a bigger role than i had expected. That feels like a mistake for me.

But we'll see. Fingers crossed.

Well, based on this, I'll watch it.


My family and I love Star Trek and we will make a Sunday evening of it, every Sunday.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Watched it. It has some flaws, but it has enough potential to keep me interested in watching it next week. I feel like as the episodes pass though, it's going to fall more and more on Stewart to carry it, and that's not a good thing.

And I feel like, even with all the promotional material we've seen, the borg are going to play a bigger role than i had expected. That feels like a mistake for me.

But we'll see. Fingers crossed.


why would that be a mistake?

**** it, no more spoiler tags.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
why would that be a mistake?

Writing the borg well is hard for even a good writer. There's a reason why they have some of the best episodes of TNG: Because when they're done well, they're amazing.

Also, I really hope they don't dilute them like Voyager did.

Originally posted by -Pr-
**** it, no more spoiler tags.



Writing the borg well is hard for even a good writer. There's a reason why they have some of the best episodes of TNG: Because when they're done well, they're amazing.

Also, I really hope they don't dilute them like Voyager did.


i agree with what you're saying

Originally posted by -Pr-
**** it, no more spoiler tags.



Writing the borg well is hard for even a good writer. There's a reason why they have some of the best episodes of TNG: Because when they're done well, they're amazing.

Also, I really hope they don't dilute them like Voyager did.

I feel you there, the Borg were the galactic-level threat that got most of the Alpha Quandrant to put aside current and old feuds. Then they got the paper-tiger-esque treatment to move Voyagers plot along

Originally posted by -Pr-
Watched it. It has some flaws, but it has enough potential to keep me interested in watching it next week. I feel like as the episodes pass though, it's going to fall more and more on Stewart to carry it, and that's not a good thing.

And I feel like, even with all the promotional material we've seen, the borg are going to play a bigger role than i had expected. That feels like a mistake for me.

But we'll see. Fingers crossed. To me, the only thing that would make the show better is... Shatner!

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Currency obviously has to be used to deal with other species. But humans themselves (and presumably the federation) dont trade in money between themselves. (But thats why DS9 was so great. They accepted Earth and humanity is near perfect, but they are not on Earth, and only very few of them are human).

That said calling them communists might be simplifying it a little methinks. Clearly if you live on the Enterprise you are living a more luxurious life than if you live on a standard Starship. And only the best get to be on the Enterprise. The values were formed after tribalism had led to cataclysmic wars on Earth and the Vulcans intervened due to a warp signature, ushering in an age of enlightenment.. The whole premise of the federation is an intergalactic EU type set up to keep the peace after space wars. They are the Socialist UN of the stars! And beautiful for it. No intervention and the prime directive are as anti colonialism and capitalism as it gets.

They break the prime directive all the time though.



And honestly, non interventionism is a TERRIBLE idea, because it puts borders ahead of humanitarian concerns. The old "Nazi's" test holds true that strictly speaking, if every country adhered to non interventionist philosophy, then no one could come to the aid of Jewish victims in Germany.


The Federation takes this to the next level by demanding entire underdeveloped races be wiped out, rather then rushing to their aid.

Originally posted by cdtm
They break the prime directive all the time though.



And honestly, non interventionism is a TERRIBLE idea, because it puts borders ahead of humanitarian concerns. The old "Nazi's" test holds true that strictly speaking, if every country adhered to non interventionist philosophy, then no one could come to the aid of Jewish victims in Germany.


The Federation takes this to the next level by demanding entire underdeveloped races be wiped out, rather then rushing to their aid. this is actually a point I don't disagree with.

I rewatched the episode, and it allowed me to put some of my feelings in to better context.

Basically, the best scene in the episode is also the worst. When Picard talks about how they had a moral obligation to help the Romulans evacuate, he was right, but you know what else? The Federation at large would have ****ing thought so too. No terrorist attack would have stopped them helping millions of people not die. And the mention of the Romulans being their oldest enemy. REALLY? The same Romulans that helped the Federation and the Klingons hate**** the Dominion right back in to the Gamma Quadrant at the cost of thousands if not millions of Romulan lives? The same Romulans that owe the Enterprise for stopping a Reman coup? THOSE Romulans?

People can say that things change. And they do, but I don't believe that in less than two decades, the Federation would turn in to a bunch of fearful, xenophobic assholes.

The more I watched, the more I felt like, yet again, the people writing this just don't "get" Star Trek. And this isn't like comics where I have my own headcanon. Gene Roddenberry hammered it in to everyone's ****ing heads that Humanity was supposed to be largely above all that petty shit, and that they had found allies in the galaxy with largely similar attitudes. Even when DS9 came out and we saw the darker, grimmer side of life in the 24th century, there were still tons of examples of Sisko, or Bashir, or whoever else saying "No, we're better than this. We're not how we used to be."

Even Voyager, which I really don't consider to be that great, at least tried to follow the concept of Federation ships being fundamentally decent, always willing to lend a hand even to their own detriment. iirc there are even early episodes of Voyager where people are literally looking at Janeway and saying "nobody is that nice without wanting something in return".

And yes, while Star Trek had plenty of political allegory, it was almost always from the position of the Federation going "look at these chuckle****s, still fighting over things like land and religion. How's about we help them see that there's more to the universe than those petty squabbles?".

Anyway, rant largely over. To summarise:

The show plays heavy on nostalgia. Stewart is excellent. I was glad to see that even though some of the aesthetics weren't to my taste, they did keep some of the things that were familiar without rooting it too hard in the past. It just feels like the writers aren't as familiar with Star Trek as I was hoping they would be. And that's even taking in to account the Picard scene where he goes to his storage unit. Daj being Data's daughter is dumb, fanfic-esque nonsense.

I still think I'm going to enjoy it more than Discovery, and I want to like it. So I'll keep watching.

This the same daughter who lived and died in a single episode?

Originally posted by -Pr-

People can say that things change. And they do, but I don't believe that in less than two decades, the Federation would turn in to a bunch of fearful, xenophobic assholes.

Romulus was Brexit for the Federation. The xenophobia was always there.

Yeah it did seem like they weren't behaving like the society that had achieved all this peace and overcome war and all that.

Originally posted by cdtm
This the same daughter who lived and died in a single episode?

No, this is something else entirely.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Romulus was Brexit for the Federation. The xenophobia was always there.

Attitudes like that is what's wrong with current Trek.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, this is something else entirely.



Attitudes like that is what's wrong with current Trek. I actually don't disagree at all tbh.

Just started watching, liking it already

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I actually don't disagree at all tbh.

You and your tricky sarcasm. Boo.

reading the countdown comics makes me look forward to this show even more.. now i know why he lives with those two romulans

Episode 2...

this show has a great miusical score.

the overall plot continues to take shape.

seems picard might be back on that hero's journey

Originally posted by -Pr-
You and your tricky sarcasm. Boo. in all honesty, this time no sarcasm was intended. I agree with you, we don't need edgy darkness in Star Trek, we need hope for something better. We need more than tropes acting as social commentary for now. I want my Utopia back, that said I am enjoying this show.

Caught up with a pretty big question:


Why can't the displaced Romulans find refuge in the Romulan empire?


An empire usually consist of more then one single planet.

Originally posted by cdtm
Caught up with a pretty big question:


Why can't the displaced Romulans find refuge in the Romulan empire?


An empire usually consist of more then one single planet.


read the picard countdown comics that'll answer things for you

Originally posted by Putinbot1
in all honesty, this time no sarcasm was intended. I agree with you, we don't need edgy darkness in Star Trek, we need hope for something better. We need more than tropes acting as social commentary for now. I want my Utopia back, that said I am enjoying this show.

I hear you.

I'm trying to enjoy it. There are parts I do like. It's just... It still feels like there's no nuance or subtlety. For example: Admirals were almost always dicks in the old shows. It was just how it was. But the way that Admiral spoke to Picard... JFC. I know Roddenberry was a military man, and that informed a lot of his writing, but there were plenty of writers after him that knew how to write characters that behaved in a way that was at least somewhat properly for their rank.

Discovery has a similar problem mind you.

Whirly, PR

Dunno, imo, the "edgy darkness" can work in Trek, if done right. As it could be a fulcrum for the fight to the return to the nigh perfect-little-society Trek is supposed to be. Even though we've had hints of this not being entirely true through various series.

I've only seen ep1 of Picard though. So maybe there's something in ep2 that shits on what I just said and I'll be buttmad later tonight.

i also enjoyed the easter eggs that were in episode 2

Bruce, me too

Rob, got to say I'm with Pr, no one would speak to Picard like that Admiral, he Jean Luc ****ing Picard, second only to James Tiberius Kirk and Peer of shaft in space Sisko.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Bruce, me too

Rob, got to say I'm with Pr, no one would speak to Picard like that Admiral, he Jean Luc ****ing Picard, second only to James Tiberius Kirk and Peer of shaft in space Sisko.


i have a theory regarding that Admiral but I'm keeping it to myself until the season finale

Damn just caught up now and got over excited hearing the *spoilers* of Data being in this... I guess those Pre-2009 Trek Countdown comics are non-canon. Although we still have the Romulan-Borg connection.

Show been a bit slow in its build up. Should have waited for more episodes to binge. Oh and f*** that Admiral!


In terms of darkness/edgy/imperfect Federation though, hate to say but it might be needed when telling an ongoing story. Remember TNG was always a every episode is its own thing, much like the Original series. But I imagine it may be hard to keep an ongoing story with a better than pure Federation sorting out the rest of the imperfect Galaxy. Remember DS9 was able to have tons of imperfections with the crew because it wasnt a Federation Station or System. And the show was the best of the Star Trek shows because of it IMHO.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Damn just caught up now and got over excited hearing the *spoilers* of Data being in this... I guess those Pre-2009 Trek Countdown comics are non-canon. Although we still have the Romulan-Borg connection.

Show been a bit slow in its build up. Should have waited for more episodes to binge. Oh and f*** that Admiral!


In terms of darkness/edgy/imperfect Federation though, hate to say but it might be needed when telling an ongoing story. Remember TNG was always a every episode is its own thing, much like the Original series. But I imagine it may be hard to keep an ongoing story with a better than pure Federation sorting out the rest of the imperfect Galaxy. Remember DS9 was able to have tons of imperfections with the crew because it wasnt a Federation Station or System. And the show was the best of the Star Trek shows because of it IMHO.

I'm going to have to (sort of) disagree with you there.

Granted, I agree that long-form TV shows need conflict, and Roddenberry's idea that there was no interpersonal issues was never going to work long-term. That said, I wholly disagree with you about DS9.

For me, DS9 was about imperfect people basically doing their best to keep the Federation up on that pedestal that TOS and TNG had put it on. I'm not saying they don't question it at times, but when push comes to shove, Sisko and Bashir (who are the most pro-Fed guys) are the biggest proponents of "No, the Federation is better than this. You're (the villain) not representative of our ideals. We're better than this, and if we're not, then we should be".

DS9 excelled, partially imo, because the Federation WAS a paradise, and Starfleet officers were forced to see what life was like outside of that paradise. Kind of like when affluent people visit bad neighbourhoods to volunteer at soup kitchens.

I'm not saying there aren't bastards in Starfleet or the Federation. There are. But they were always the minority. It wasn't Federation policy to let entire species simply die. Even when they were their enemies (Like the Klingons with Praxis).

And to play devil's advocate, even if I did agree with you, there's a massive, massive ****ing chasm between "we're not perfect" and "Yes, the Federation gets to decide who lives or dies".

Apologies for the rant. I don't mean to get heated.

^ Oh I think you misinterpreted my point on DS9. I wasnt implying that they screwed over the Federation Utopia (I still remember Siskos speech on Earth being the problem because its Paradise).

What I meant was its hard to have real conflict and moral ambiguity in Paradise, which is why being on a non-Federation post with a whole bunch of non-Federation species brought a whole plethora of potential storylines and much more room for potential character growth.

I also agree theyve taken it way overboard in Picard with the Humans and Earth not being a anywhere close to perfect Civilisation. I was simply making the point that where the story is ongoing, (which DS9 May have actually started the trend for), the writing could get very difficult very quickly without any moral ambiguity in the characters.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Bruce, me too

Rob, got to say I'm with Pr, no one would speak to Picard like that Admiral, he Jean Luc ****ing Picard, second only to James Tiberius Kirk and Peer of shaft in space Sisko.

Agreed. Even in today's real life political climate, serving as heroically as he has would mean something.


The Borg invasion alone should demand a degree of respect, no matter how senile you think he'd become.


I mean, anyone else would have been drummed out of the service with the stunts Kirk pulled in Voyage Home, if not for the fact he literally saved the homeworld.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Oh I think you misinterpreted my point on DS9. I wasnt implying that they screwed over the Federation Utopia (I still remember Siskos speech on Earth being the problem because its Paradise).

What I meant was its hard to have real conflict and moral ambiguity in Paradise, which is why being on a non-Federation post with a whole bunch of non-Federation species brought a whole plethora of potential storylines and much more room for potential character growth.

I also agree theyve taken it way overboard in Picard with the Humans and Earth not being a anywhere close to perfect Civilisation. I was simply making the point that where the story is ongoing, (which DS9 May have actually started the trend for), the writing could get very difficult very quickly without any moral ambiguity in the characters.

Oh okay, my bad on that one then.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Bruce, me too

Rob, got to say I'm with Pr, no one would speak to Picard like that Admiral, he Jean Luc ****ing Picard, second only to James Tiberius Kirk and Peer of shaft in space Sisko.

Women, amirite?

But she's not an up-and-up player, she's corrupt and trying to protect herself. IMO.

Do wonder who's going to get Borg'd. Someone is getting infected, the foreshadowing was there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Women, amirite?

But she's not an up-and-up player, she's corrupt and trying to protect herself. IMO. I agree, tbh, everyone forgets it was picard who stopped those Parasites taking over Star Fleet before. Without him, Star Fleet would not exist.

Originally posted by Robtard

But she's not an up-and-up player, she's corrupt and trying to protect herself. IMO.


Didnt seem like she was corrupt given she dod report what Picard said to her senior officer, and asked her to look into it

So she was just being a b**** to Picard. So unless he f***ed and dumped her thats Unforgivable.

Originally posted by Robtard
Women, amirite?

But she's not an up-and-up player, she's corrupt and trying to protect herself. IMO.


i think she'll turn out to be working with the borg and/or romulans

Some Quora ******* claimed Picard denouncing the Federation and the government would wipe out his years of service, achievements, and heroism.



I'm pretty certain someone could he a communist, and would still be treated with more respect by McCarthy, if they saved America and the rest of the free world half as often as Picard saved the Federation.


Generally speaking full blown heroism forgives a lot of sins.

i am intrigued by santiago cabrera's character, it'll be interesting to see what type of hero's journey he might be on.

i think there is more to allison pill's character than meets the eye.

soji's hero's journey is also something i'm interested i as well..

great seeing Seven tonight.

evan evagora's elnor has a lot of potential

Four episodes in, and the thing where everyone is an ******* all the time is wearing thin.

You can just feel how cool the writers think they are too.

Gotta admit I prefer Discovery to this.

Hopefully Seven improves the show.

If not for Picard being Picard, I'd prefer Discovery too tbh. That at least had Pike.

Finally caught up, this show is okay, but not great. Dunno, there seems something off, maybe too much filler? Patrick Stewart is keeping me interested, but that's about it.

The new Captain (smuggler) of the ship seems okay, we'll have to see though.

Seeing Jeri Ryan again in ST was nice. Hopefully she adds to the story.

Really can't stand the warrior-emo-boy already and I feel I will only come to hate the character more and more. We're in a fictional world were the equivalent of a handgun (phaser) can bring down a building and this fool chooses a sword as his only weapon?

Yeah it feels like...meh. I hope it gets better in the 2nd season. It's certainly not bad.

tonight's episode was slow but it got a wee better.. dr. jurati confrmed what i suspected about her

episode 6 was a helluva lot better than last week's

Romulan Legolas grew on me, I hope we see him again. Now Picard has the macguffin girl, the quest is complete and the reveals should start.

I'm not gonna pretend he was my favourite character or anything, but man, poor Icheb.

My view of the show hasn't really changed, but I'm still open to having my mind changed.

Well Seven came and went quickly.

Im glad hes finally found the Android he was looking for. So maybe this will go somewhere from next week. But overall still very underwhelmed by the show.

seeing will and deanna bought back a flood next gen memories.. the show itself wasn't bad but the action sequences were good


side note, i've been reading the picard novel the lat best hope.. i'n half way through and the novel fills in a whole of information about picard's adventures post star trek nemesis.

Oh Hugh...

You know, as I was watching it, I had the strangest feeling. I know that's Jonathan Frakes. I know that his character is Will Riker. But he just felt... Off, to me.

I dunno, it feels more like Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes reuniting rather than Picard and Riker.

And yes, I know it's been twenty odd years etc, but it still felt off to me.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh Hugh...

hugh wasn't going to last long

Yeah, he's nostalgia bait like a lot of the others.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You know, as I was watching it, I had the strangest feeling. I know that's Jonathan Frakes. I know that his character is Will Riker. But he just felt... Off, to me.

I dunno, it feels more like Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes reuniting rather than Picard and Riker.

And yes, I know it's been twenty odd years etc, but it still felt off to me.

When I was watching I thought "boy Picard sure aged a lot better than Riker did".

Originally posted by Surtur
When I was watching I thought "boy Picard sure aged a lot better than Riker did".

Well, that's true. Though I feel like Stewart refusing to age and Frakes having a ****ed up body even before he went in to TNG contributes to that.

I did like Deanna, though. She was the best part about the episode.

Originally posted by Surtur
When I was watching I thought "boy Picard sure aged a lot better than Riker did".


so true lol

Clearly the power of the beard comes with drawbacks.

Originally posted by Surtur
Clearly the power of the beard comes with drawbacks.

damn true lol

Enoch's accent... JFC.

But yeah, how disappointing to find that some of the worst of the fan theories turned out to be true. Almost completely derivative and lacking in imagination, and genuinely feeling like an idea someone had for a sci-fi series that wasn't going to get made it on its own, so they threw the Star Trek name on it so it would sell. And it's a shame too, as several of the actual characters have some real weight to them.

I liked those scenes with Seven and Jurat though, I guess.

tonight's episode got better after it got going. i enjoyed the scenes with seven and elnor of which i wanted more of

part one of the 2 part season finale went as i thought it would..

though it was fun to see brent spiner

I am enjoying it. I know I am in the minority, but, it has a Blake's 7 vibe.

I'm just wondering why Rios never mentioned the android he met had gold freaking skin. He acted like Soji was an exact copy.

Also seems clear as day Picard gonna end up in that golem. Can't be a coincidence they remind us of his deadly disease in the same episode they are talking about mind transference. So is Stewart going to play Picard next season? Due to tech in Trek they could handwave a way to make the golem look exactly like Picard...or it could look different and younger.

I can definitely say I'm glad that's over.

I was kinda right about the golem

As a long time Star Trek fan I've enjoyed this series.. I figured out Picard's death, android Picard after the second episode but still to see it, I legit cried. A few things I did not like were the episodes shoulda been long than they were. Rios and Elnor should've had a little bit more character development but I'm positive that will happen in the 2nd season. It was fun seeing Riker, Troi and Data. I know Whoopi Goldberg will be in the 2nd season, but it would be nice if other TNG characters appear as well...

MAKE IT SO

I felt totally unmoved by the moment BECAUSE I knew it wasn't truly the end. They foreshadowed this way too much. And the ninth episode practically had HE IS GONNA BECOME AN ANDROID in glowing neon lights at the bottom of the screen the entire time.

Either way not canon to original Trek.



30% difference per contract. I don't get that stipulation, everyone knows what it's "supposed" to be, why force them to add differences and ruin the immersion of fans?

Has the 30% thing actually been proven? I'm genuinely asking.

As far as Picard goes, what could have been one of the most poignant scenes in Trek, one that should have made even me cry like a little *****, made me feel nothing. That's how badly they messed it up imo.

Originally posted by cdtm
Either way not canon to original Trek.



30% difference per contract. I don't get that stipulation, everyone knows what it's "supposed" to be, why force them to add differences and ruin the immersion of fans?


actually its canon to the next generation...

Guess Inam in the minority, I really enjoyed it.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
actually its canon to the next generation...


To the "Prime Universe" version of TNG.


Which is still technically alternate reality, in the sense its following along the Abramsverse Trek.


Even the universe Spock came from is an alternate version of the classic series.


There's a lot of material out there showcasing why this is, but it has to do with rights issues.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Has the 30% thing actually been proven? I'm genuinely asking.

As far as Picard goes, what could have been one of the most poignant scenes in Trek, one that should have made even me cry like a little *****, made me feel nothing. That's how badly they messed it up imo.

Yup, it was obvious it wasn't the end. I'm torn because I feel like him truly dying would have been better, but then...the show is over lol.

Originally posted by cdtm
To the "Prime Universe" version of TNG.


Which is still technically alternate reality, in the sense its following along the Abramsverse Trek.


Even the universe Spock came from is an alternate version of the classic series.


There's a lot of material out there showcasing why this is, but it has to do with rights issues.


it is actually a combination of both prime tng/ds9 etc and abramstrek

Originally posted by Surtur
Yup, it was obvious it wasn't the end. I'm torn because I feel like him truly dying would have been better, but then...the show is over lol.

I was actually talking about Data finally being allowed to die. I can't believe that was executed the way it was.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
it is actually a combination of both prime tng/ds9 etc and abramstrek


The point is, Abramsverse doesn't exist in the "original" series.

This is like JLA vs Avengers, or any comic book crossover. Technically, none of the events happened the way we read them, because rights issues, and may as well be self contained universes.


I mean, yeah, you can say TNG Picard died, but as far as I'm concerned the original TNG Picard is still enjoying life on his wine orchard.

Series was really good IMO. Looking forward to where the story goes.