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Billy Batson as CM of course
Carol Danvers
Hercules- Marvel
Hulk any or all versions
Thor
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Sentry
Blue Marvel
Hyperion- any version
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped
Supergirl
Simon Williams
Gladiator
Captain Adam
Orion

In overall power or just strength? Is this "average" Superman, or all-out Superman?

Assuming physical strength only, and taking into account that the DC bricks are a couple of orders of magnitude stronger than the Marvel ones:

Billy Batson - 50
Carol Danvers - 0
Hercules - 0
Hulk any or all versions - 1
Thor - 0
Wonder Woman - 50
Martian Manhunter - 50
Sentry - 1
Blue Marvel - 0
Hyperion - 1
Silver Surfer - 0
Supergirl - 95
Simon Williams - 0
Gladiator - 0
Captain Adam - ?
Orion - 90

I should have specified strength levels only,

.that was meant to read......Captain ATOM

Also Superman ALL OUT

Originally posted by Magnon
Assuming physical strength only, and taking into account that the DC bricks are a couple of orders of magnitude stronger than the Marvel ones:

Billy Batson - 50
Carol Danvers - 0
Hercules - 0
Hulk any or all versions - 1
Thor - 0
Wonder Woman - 50
Martian Manhunter - 50
Sentry - 1
Blue Marvel - 0
Hyperion - 1
Silver Surfer - 0
Supergirl - 95
Simon Williams - 0
Gladiator - 0
Captain Adam - ?
Orion - 90

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Originally posted by carver9
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I wonder where Frankenstein would rate....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wonder where Frankenstein would rate....

Ask to have him added and we can rank him.

Lawest, can we add Franky to the list?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lawest, can we add Franky to the list?

Mod needs to add him, lawest can't do it.

Takes too much time. I've made my own thread. See you there carv.

Hello!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lawest, can we add Franky to the list? To the moderator..........go ahead and add Frankenstein, Namor and Black Adam

Billy Batson as CM of course -40 %
Carol Danvers 15-25%
Hercules- Marvel 30
Hulk any or all versions
Thor 30-35%
Wonder Woman 30-45(God mode/bracers off)%
Martian Manhunter - 25-30%
Sentry - 33-60%
Blue Marvel - 33
Hyperion- any version 30(classic)-40(Hickman)
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped 20-30
Supergirl 40
Simon Williams - 20-30
Gladiator 33-40%
Captain Adam - 20-25
Orion - 40%


.. and this is me averaging Superman down via low end portrayals, etc.

Originally posted by Magnon
Assuming physical strength only, and taking into account that the DC bricks are a couple of orders of magnitude stronger than the Marvel ones:

Billy Batson - 50
Carol Danvers - 0
Hercules - 0
Hulk any or all versions - 1
Thor - 0
Wonder Woman - 50
Martian Manhunter - 50
Sentry - 1
Blue Marvel - 0
Hyperion - 1
Silver Surfer - 0
Supergirl - 95
Simon Williams - 0
Gladiator - 0
Captain Adam - ?
Orion - 90

I agree with everything but Supergirl/Orion..either swap them or put Kara a bit lower than Orion.

Of course this is only accurate if a below average Superman. 100% KMC canon, GG.

Originally posted by lawest9
Billy Batson as CM of course - 100
Carol Danvers - 70
Hercules- Marvel - 90
Hulk any or all versions - 150
Thor - 90
Wonder Woman - 80
Martian Manhunter - 80
Sentry - 500
Blue Marvel - 100
Hyperion- any version - 100
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped - 90
Supergirl - 90
Simon Williams - 90
Gladiator -100
Captain Adam - ?
Orion- 90

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Billy Batson as CM of course - 100
Carol Danvers - 70
Hercules- Marvel - 90
Hulk any or all versions - 150
Thor - 90
Wonder Woman - 80
Martian Manhunter - 80
Sentry - 500
Blue Marvel - 100
Hyperion- any version - 100
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped - 90
Supergirl - 90
Simon Williams - 90
Gladiator -100
Captain Adam - ?
Orion- 90

This. Based off pure fts though, I would put Hyperion at about 130 and Orion at 100 based off of their fights. If we are looking at WBH, that's 300 or more tbh.

Billy Batson as CM of course 75
Carol Danvers 35
Hercules- Marvel 75
Hulk any or all versions 92
Thor 70
Wonder Woman 82
Martian Manhunter 65
Sentry 90
Blue Marvel 82
Hyperion- any version 85
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped 70
Supergirl 85
Simon Williams 68
Gladiator 85
Captain Adam 65
Orion 90

Originally posted by shadowknight
Billy Batson as CM of course 80
Carol Danvers 40
Hercules- Marvel 75
Hulk any or all versions 92
Thor 70
Wonder Woman 82
Martian Manhunter 65
Sentry 90
Blue Marvel 82
Hyperion- any version 85
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped 70
Supergirl 85
Simon Williams 68
Gladiator 85
Captain Adam 65
Orion 90 The most sensible post to date.

You put Hercules at 75 and Thor at 70 ? Intriguing...

Billy Batson as CM of course - 80

Carol Danvers - 40

Hercules- Marvel - 60

Hulk - 100. But could go a lot higher when angry.

Thor - 50

Wonder Woman - 75

Martian Manhunter - 70

Sentry - 85

Blue Marvel - 80

Hyperion- any version - 80

Silver Surfer-amped or unamped - 50

Supergirl -80

Simon Williams - 55

Gladiator - 80. But could go higher.

Captain Adam - 70

Orion - 90

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wonder where Frankenstein would rate....

Where's your list?

You put mother****ing Simon Williams at 55 and Thor at 50?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Billy Batson as CM of course - 100
Carol Danvers - 70
Hercules- Marvel - 90
Hulk any or all versions - 150
Thor - 90
Wonder Woman - 80
Martian Manhunter - 80
Sentry - 500
Blue Marvel - 100
Hyperion- any version - 100
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped - 90
Supergirl - 90
Simon Williams - 90
Gladiator -100
Captain Adam - ?
Orion- 90

Why is Sentry stronger than Superman?
Why is Blue Marvel as strong as Superman?
Are you using feats as a basis?

Originally posted by lawest9
Billy Batson as CM of course 50%
Carol Danvers 40%
Hercules- Marvel 50%
Hulk any or all versions
Thor 50%
Wonder Woman 40%-70%
Martian Manhunter 50%
Sentry 90%
Blue Marvel 70%
Hyperion- any version 90-100%
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped 30%
Supergirl 80%
Simon Williams 40%
Gladiator 80%
Captain Adam
Orion 50%

I won't rank all-out Superman , since that'd just instantly make people's noses bleed here when everybody moves towards zero. So to take a 'serious' Justice League Superman:

Billy Batson - 80
Carol Danvers - 40
Hercules - 80
Hulk - 90
Thor - 80
Wonder Woman - 80
Martian Manhunter - 75
Sentry - which version? Average 'serious hero' one is about 90, 'Void' is around 100
Blue Marvel - 70
Hyperion - 85
Silver Surfer - 65
Supergirl - 85
Simon Williams - 70
Gladiator - 85
Captain Adam - 75
Orion - 90

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Billy Batson as CM of course - 100
Carol Danvers - 70
Hercules- Marvel - 90
Hulk any or all versions - 150
Thor - 90
Wonder Woman - 80
Martian Manhunter - 80
Sentry - 500
Blue Marvel - 100
Hyperion- any version - 100
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped - 90
Supergirl - 90
Simon Williams - 90
Gladiator -100
Captain Adam - ?
Orion- 90

excellent Marvel troll post.

phil is (pretty much) on the nose. magnon is f'n hilarious.

If you use Supermans highest, wouldn't we have to do that for the others as well?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Billy Batson as CM of course - 100 /
Carol Danvers - 70 - 50 70 IF Binary
Hercules- Marvel - 90/
Hulk any or all versions - 150- savage hulk is 90 hes armwrestled He rrd c onnthe quin jet with no result and he had Thor couldnt move each other for an hour in Defenders/Avengers crossover.
Thor - 90 /
Wonder Woman - 80 /
Martian Manhunter - 80 /
Sentry - 500 - it's strength not overal powerset. Please stop wanking
Blue Marvel - 100 - 95
Hyperion- any version - 100 -95
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped - 90 -95
Supergirl - 90- 80 maybe 85 at a push
Simon Williams - 90 -85 current classic (avengers west coast 1st run and prior) 75
Gladiator -100 -95 IF very confident.
Captain Atom - 85
Orion- 90

The forward slashes are my ticks where I agree on balanced showings of Supes.

Yup.

Sentry and Hyperion most definitely needs a mention. Both have fts exceeding anyone on this list. Sentry haulting one of the most powerful Celestials are proof of this and Hyperion preventing 2 universes from colliding and stopping a planet the same size as earth going 500000 mph dead in its track is an honorable mention as well. Those are just fts off the top of my head.

Hype never prevented anything, lmao

Originally posted by Damborgson
You put Hercules at 75 and Thor at 70 ? Intriguing... Some Marvel writers have implied and other have stated Hercules is slightly stronger than Thor. While this view isn't monotheistic it exist. The most obvious examples is the early strength rating in the back of a Giant Size Spiderman comic from the 80's but there's been other examples including in a Thor comic. Nevertheless most of the time in Thor comics they are shown to be equal in strength. Maybe I should have put Hercules at 75 and Thor at 72. To be honest if someone can lift 75 million tons and someone else can lift 70 million tons will look and feel identical to the person getting punched by them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hype never prevented anything, lmao

Temp prevented it. Is that better?

IIRC the comic it was stated about Herc being slightly stronger was Amazing SPiderman Annual # 15 in the early 80's. I no longer have the comic but I found a link.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&biw=1680&bih=936&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=bJTlXNrmBJH85gL--YS4Cw&q=spider+man+comic+strength+ranking&oq=spider+man+comic+strength+ranking&gs_l=img.12...48673.51343..55943...0.0..0.152.1465.0j11......1....1..gws-wiz-img.xjjOoxyWONU#imgrc=W6WefpjTRj8aNM:

Originally posted by carver9
Temp prevented it. Is that better?

Lol when did he TEMP prevent two universes from colliding lmao.

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry and Hyperion most definitely needs a mention. Both have fts exceeding anyone on this list. Sentry haulting one of the most powerful Celestials are proof of this and Hyperion preventing 2 universes from colliding and stopping a planet the same size as earth going 500000 mph dead in its track is an honorable mention as well. Those are just fts off the top of my head. The problem is your bias is showing.

Hyperion is all over the place strenghtwise, unless you're going to differentiate all the version of Hyperion including King Hyperion who failed to stop an asteroid from crashing into the Earth or JL Hyperion who failed to stop a satellite from crashing into the planet. But even Hyperion biggest feat the 2 planets separation fail in comparison to SM higher feats.

As for Sentry he's just someone who doesn't hold back, but to be honest I can't think of 1 strenght feat Sentry has done SM couldn't equal of surpass.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol when did he TEMP prevent two universes from colliding lmao. Carver is the groundhog day of KMC.

Always back to square one with him.

Every time I reply to him it's like I'm young again.

Originally posted by shadowknight
The problem is your bias is showing.

Hyperion is all over the place strenghtwise, unless you're going to differentiate all the version of Hyperion including King Hyperion who failed to stop an asteroid from crashing into the Earth or JL Hyperion who failed to stop a satellite from crashing into the planet. But even Hyperion biggest feat the 2 planets separation fail in comparison to SM higher feats.

As for Sentry he's just someone who doesn't hold back, but to be honest I can't think of 1 strenght feat Sentry has done SM couldn't equal of surpass.

I'm talking about Avengers Hyperion, let's stay consistent here unless Hyperion did a fusion dance with his other incarnations I'm unaware of. Also, what was pushing against those two planets Hyperion held back?

Wait a minute, does Superman have a ft (you can just name one) of overpowering Abstract level power or even half of that. Again, just name one, you dont even have to name multiple fts. Only asking for one showing. Also, please make sure no context is involved.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Every time I reply to him it's like I'm young again.

Stop!!! You are the most inconsistent debater on KMC.

Originally posted by carver9
Stop!!! You are the most inconsistent debater on KMC.

When did Hyperion TEMP prevent two UNIVERSES from colliding?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When did Hyperion TEMP prevent two UNIVERSES from colliding?

I was trying to steal some more air from Hyperion's sails, but he and King Hyperion aren't the same character. Now's my chance to slip in the fact that Blue Marvel would beat up on him as well.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When did Hyperion TEMP prevent two UNIVERSES from colliding? Hyperion, even now, is standing right between the rational universe and carver's delusional one. It's quite a herculean task keeping them apart.

Also, carver, maybe you forgot about this thread, so I'll remind you:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t661268.html

Billy Batson as CM of course:100
Carol Danvers:15
Hercules- Marvel:75
Hulk any or all versions :100
Thor:75
Wonder Woman:80
Martian Manhunter:65
Sentry:-725
Blue Marvel:25
Hyperion- any version:85
Silver Surfer-amped or unamped:65
Supergirl:85
Simon Williams:5
Gladiator:85
Captain Adam:45
Orion:90

Originally posted by h1a8
Why is Sentry stronger than Superman?
Why is Blue Marvel as strong as Superman?
Are you using feats as a basis?

Sentry and Void are the same being. Void's power is Sentry's power. Void casually snaps all of Hulk's bones on two occasions and has physically overwhelmed a combination of teams. Sentry has physically defeated Void and now the two have joined as one.

Blue Marvel matched strength with the same Hyperion that holds two universes apart. BM casually packs a meteor the size of Arkansas and sends Maestro flying with a punch. He also stalemates Sentry, knocking Sentry into orbit. BM one shot KOes Ultimate Hulk.

Originally posted by beatboks
The forward slashes are my ticks where I agree on balanced showings of Supes.

Sentry uses only strength to stop Exitar. He matches Rogue who has absorbed the power of all os Marvel's heroes including Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
This. Based off pure fts though, I would put Hyperion at about 130 and Orion at 100 based off of their fights. If we are looking at WBH, that's 300 or more tbh.

Sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Sentry and Void are the same being. Void's power is Sentry's power. Void casually snaps all of Hulk's bones on two occasions and has physically overwhelmed a combination of teams. Sentry has physically defeated Void and now the two have joined as one.

Blue Marvel matched strength with the same Hyperion that holds two universes apart. BM casually packs a meteor the size of Arkansas and sends Maestro flying with a punch. He also stalemates Sentry, knocking Sentry into orbit. BM one shot KOes Ultimate Hulk.

Superman has feats greater than breaker Hulks bones.
And Sentry and Void are different. Marvel even stated that Sentry power level is based off his mental state.

Overwhelming a team is not a strength feat.

Characters dont operate with planet moving levels at all times (not even 1% of the time). So Blue Marvel matching Hyperion doesnt mean he is matching planet level power. Hyperion could have been operating at 1000 tons of strength at the time.