Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

discuss

https://i.postimg.cc/N2BkWyq6/drt.jpg

only with a nolimits fallacy in place

protege never copied anyone nearly as powerful as mxy

Protege can copy Mxy's power in theory.
But, he can't copy Mxy's imagination itself.

if protege couldnt copy scathans powers i doubt he can copy the powers of someone like mxy.

but even if he could, a kid with a stick is still just a kid with a stick. protege was one of the most inept goons ive ever seen in comics regardless of the wank train some here like to put him on

Protege (the so-called 'inept goon') easily, was literally about to erase:

beyond Multiversal LT - Multiversal Eternity - nigh Multiversal Hawkgod -
multi-universal Beyonder - skyfather Mephisto and his daughter Malevolence ....

... Until Scathan stopped him.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Scathan is an enigma, therefore no one can definitively rank him.

We only know:

Scathan >>> combined power of:

1) beyond multiversal LT
2) multiversal Eternity
3) nigh multiversal Hawkgod
4) multi-universal Beyonder
5) skyfather Mephisto and his daughter Malevolence
6) GOTG
7) plus Protege's own God-like copying capabilities

Holy shit!

--------------------------------------------------------------

This is why we have always speculated Scathan was possibly an agent (above LT) of TOAA.

so like i said if he couldnt copy scathans power theres no reason to think he could copy mxys.

and yea protege was an inept goon. just a child throwing a tantrum- "but i wanted to be TOAA!!!" waaah.

joke character

Same ol' repetitive lowball of any Marvel high level cat. The pattern has been noted.

Obviously not to be taken serious moving forward.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same ol' repetitive lowball of any Marvel high level cat. The pattern has been noted.

Obviously not to be taken serious moving forward.


imo he has to witness them. Mxy's powers are his reality warping, dimension shifting and control over existence - his imagination is purely a means for that. Protege never before absorbed information or an analysis on an individual's mindset like that

nigh-multi-beyond-mega-omni-multiuni-versal is the correct term I believe

ahh ... some form of "humor." lol?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

imo he has to witness them.
Mxy's powers are his reality warping, dimension shifting and control over existence -
his imagination is purely a means for that.
Nice, a real debater. Although good friend, I really don't have a stake in the outcome.

But, to address your fine point:

In Protege's noob state,
he had noted that later on he would be able to copy "thoughts unseen."
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

Protege never before absorbed information or an analysis on an individual's mindset like that
I'm sure he became a monster psychic by the time he stacked the cosmic powers, (below Scathan)
although, I'd have to think about that a bit to raise a sound opinion.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
if protege couldnt copy scathans powers i doubt he can copy the powers of someone like mxy.
That's because he was energy-muffled. He did copy the Living Tribunal's power, and it was implied that Protege could've copied the One-Above-All's power.

And while Mr. Mxyzptlk could probably cut off Protege's senses from perceiving his power, this isn't a straight versus match-up.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX


protege never copied anyone nearly as powerful as mxy

Based on feats, hes right.

mxy is way beyond anyone protege copied.and the fact that he couldnt copy scathan mean his copying powers werent unlimited

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

Protégé's abilities tho I believe have worked on telepaths
and that's technically not visible? Right?
Indeed.
Originally posted by Astner

That's because he was energy-muffled.
Actually old friend,
Protege was first attacked by a boom bash blast attack from Scathan,
then,
Protege appears in-affective with the muzzle.

Imo, the muzzle must be an extension of Scathan's power, otherwise the scene is senseless.

Anyway, afterwards, Scathan removes the muzzle,
and Protege is still helpless
so long as Scathan holds him physically with his bare hands.

Which fits perfectly with my reasoning and makes excellent sense.
Originally posted by Astner

He did copy the Living Tribunal's power
Who was an absolute Omniversal (infinite multiverseS) power in this story.

Obviously not a big deal in DC. dur
Originally posted by Astner

1) and it was implied that Protege could've copied the One-Above-All's power.

2) And while Mr. Mxyzptlk could probably cut off Protege's senses from perceiving his power
1) Never. ... That was definitely Protege's unattainable aspirations.

2) Never. Protege was a Godlike figure, thus no one is simply de-powering him.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
mxy is way beyond anyone protege copied.and the fact that he couldnt copy scathan mean his copying powers werent unlimited



Protege will bite off more than he can chew.

Now if He has the Ability to Mimic Power Displayed, How is Mxy Imagination on display? He can probably Mimic a Turtle once Mxy makes it but I'm not sure he can Mimic what brought the turtle into existence.

While Protege was still a noob (defeated by Beyonder via a thought)

It was stated that at some point he would be able to copy thoughts that = power.

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/41330401_P.jpg

I would guess,
that by the time he reached "infinite omnipotence"
he was able to do so.

should check this out btw http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t661861.html

Originally posted by Mr Master
I would guess, guesses dont mean a whole lot but good to know

At-least my speculations are based on external facts.

Unlike some, who simply drivel outlandish bullshit repetitively.

So, let me know you find that scan that disputes my scan.

speculation is fun and all but it doesnt mean anything in a proper debate at the end of the day

Awesome. Good thing I don't deal regularly in speculation.

Anyway, so, since there's no reason to think the writer made Protege lie about that simplicity,
the on panel statement will stand.

but he never actually did anything like that in the comics.a comment aint a feat lol.

Protege defeats Mxy. Protege the greatest beast outside of TOAA and PreR Beyonder in MU to this day.

Mxy kills protege with a snap of his finger

Originally posted by MrMind
Mxy kills protege with a snap of his finger

Nope... sorry, one of rare ocassion where Mxy looses. Not only that, it would be the same to Protege like with all others... no effort in duplicating their powers, it would be no different with Mxy.

He's not copying mxy's imagination. Enough with the no limit fallacy. Mxy would easily defeat the people protege defeated. And he wouldn't lose to Scathan. This is a spite in favor of mxy. No one in Marvel can contend with Mxy. Even All Above Others is not omnipotent anymore

Originally posted by MrMind
He's not copying mxy's imagination. Enough with the no limit fallacy. Mxy would easily defeat the people protege defeated. And he wouldn't lose to Scathan. This is a spite in favor of mxy. No one in Marvel can contend with Mxy. Even All Above Others is not omnipotent anymore exactly

He's not copying something he can't even perceive properly. He gets snapped imo.

Don't know about Mxy, and my opinion is just as fruitless as all others,
but,
Protege stated he would at some point be able to copy thoughts that = powers.
He aid in this in reference to Beyonder.

When Protege was a noob, Beyonder defeated him via thought,
after the Protege statement,
they battled again, and this time, Protege defeated Beyonder.
Originally posted by MrMind

And he wouldn't lose to Scathan
Scans that portray Scathan's limitations which Mxy can exploit?

I'm surely not implying Scathan beats Mxy,
cause it can't be proven,
but I'd like to see how is it you came to this conclusion.
Originally posted by MrMind

1) This is a spite in favor of mxy.

No one in Marvel can contend with Mxy.
Damn, the lowballing is unhinged.

1) ... If Mxy can beat Protege, it's not in spite fashion.

2) Aside from that being incorrect in general, ... currently, you must've forgot about Owen Reece.

myx is FAAAR beyond anyone protege ever copied, and we know his copying powers arent unlimited because he couldnt copy scathan.

cut the no limits fallacies. protege aint copying anything about mxy

what about him? he got killed by griever at the end of all things

or are you talking about the time he showed the visual representation of an omniverse in a box?

Mxy destroyed and recreated dc with a snap of his finger

they are not in the same league

griever slaughtered current owen easily. and griever was scared of franklin....wouldnt even make her presence known until franklin lost his powers.

franklin>griever>current owen. current owen is universe level at most lol

How that ass taste?

MrMind, I know you're biased against Marvel cosmic level cats,
but I have noted you indulge that bias with honesty.
In other words, you really believe your opinions, and I respect that.

Unlike a troll.

We'll try and debate a bit if you wish,
even if it means trying to ignore the ever persistent ass sniffing troll that's never far. (not you btw)
Originally posted by MrMind

what about him? he got killed by griever at the end of all things
I keep it real, I wasn't aware of that comedy. I'll look into it.
Originally posted by MrMind

or are you talking about the time he showed the visual representation of an omniverse in a box?
Yes. I was referring to the Owen who can shoe box omniverses.
Originally posted by MrMind

Mxy destroyed and recreated dc with a snap of his finger
And I suppose you believe Owen couldn't destroy and remake a shoe box sized object? lol!

Enough with the lowballing yo.

it wasnt even a real multiverse. it was just a representation of one. current owen was killed by a being who FEARED franklins universal power.

why is everything that doesnt agree with you automatically "lowballing" or "trolling" or "biased". pardon us for mentioning on panel material that you are unaware of lol.

Owen put an omniverse in a shoe box, thats far anybody including mxy pay grade

it was a multiverse. al ewing used omniverse and multiverse the same way in that story (galan confirmed this in a thread before),. thats easily in mxys power even if the multiverse was real which it obviously wasnt.

current owen was killed by the griever, and griever FEARED franklins universal power. current owen is NOT as powerful as you would like to think

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Owen put an omniverse in a shoe box, thats far anybody including mxy pay grade
No, he didn't.

I don't give a shit about any writer's mistakes by default making feats bigger.
Just like I wouldn't argue anymore the writer's intent in World's Funnest,
which was a single Multiverse that Mxy affected in total.

But, since DC cosmology was more than that, by default Mxy's feat expands.

------------------------------------------------------------

If Ewing decided to retcon it to "A" multiverse later on, whatevs,

but in the story of Owen's feat, it was an Omniverse.

In Marvel, that's an infinite amount of MultiverseS.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

Owen put an omniverse in a shoe box
... But now it's being low-balled by kmc low-ballers to "multiverse."

And phuk! that "visualization" bullshit.

It was the previous Omniverse,
and Owen simply had the power to turn it into a smaller than shoe-boxed sized object.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Owen put an omniverse in a shoe box, thats far anybody including mxy pay grade

Mxy destroyed an Omniverse, then brought it back with a SNAP. Recently, we have seen a weakened Mxy about to destroy ALL of creation, including the pencil that was drawing the books. Waaaaay above Owen's pay grade.

Originally posted by Mr Master
=

If Ewing decided to retcon it to "A" multiverse later on, whatevs,

but in the story of Owen's feat, it was an Omniverse.

In Marvel, that's an infinite amount of MultiverseS.

... But now it's being low-balled by kmc low-ballers to "multiverse."

And phuk! that "visualization" bullshit.

It was the previous Omniverse,
and Owen simply had the power to turn it into a smaller than shoe-boxed sized object. nope it was a multiverse. omniverse and multiverse mean the exact same thing under al ewing. even hickman had all of marvel as A multiverse in the preceeding story.....which is what ewing built from

and the multiverse owen showed galactus wasnt even real. it was just a representation of the last multiverse.

period

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
it wasnt even a real multiverse. it was just a representation of one. current owen was killed by a being who FEARED franklins universal power.

why is everything that doesnt agree with you automatically "lowballing" or "trolling" or "biased". pardon us for mentioning on panel material that you are unaware of lol.

I mean, for some reason these marvel people think a visual representation of an omniverse in the box

means he put an actual omniverse inside a box

LMAO

It's like me holding a globe on my palm, and say "there's an earth on my hand, and that earth died....etc"

And for some reason...they think that feat is better than

Mxy destroying/recreating everything there ever was and ever will be of the entire DC

because why the phuck not, LOL

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's the exact same thing. Nothing I said was wrong no you guys are trying to use omniverse to mean "infinite multiverses"....which was not ewings or hickmans intent. according to them the previous marvel cosmology was A multiverse. singular, to mean "infinite universes"

but like i said the multiverse in owens shoe box wasnt even real. current owen does not have that kind of power. if he did he wouldn't have been killed by a UNIVERSE LEVEL power recently.

No one gives a shit about ignorance.

Scans of it being noted Owen's Omniverse (infinite MultiverseS) was not real.
Originally posted by Senor Cage

Mxy destroyed an Omniverse, then brought it back with a SNAP.
Really? ... What's an "Omniverse" in this claim?

Where was that term used in the story btw?

I'm flexible, I've seen stories where "universe" means everything,
but you're being quite specific, so I'm wondering.

"an" (requires a description)

Originally posted by MrMind
I mean, for some reason these marvel people think a visual representation of an omniverse in the box

means he put an actual omniverse inside a box

LMAO

It's like me holding a globe on my palm, and say "there's an earth on my hand, and that earth died....etc"

And for some reason...they think that feat is better than

Mxy destroying/recreating everything there ever was and ever will be of the entire DC

because why the phuck not, LOL

some people just cant be happy if their pet characters are debunked lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scans of it being noted Owen's Omniverse (infinite MultiverseS) was not real. scans of it being noted that owens omniverse contained infinite multiverses? scans of it being noted that marvel was even intended to have infinite multiverses under hickman or ewing? because it is stated SEVERAL times that marvel was A multiverse under both writers.

stop pretending that these characters are more powerful then they are. we can all see through your cropped scans lol

Originally posted by MrMind

I mean, for some reason these marvel people think a visual representation of an omniverse in the box

means he put an actual omniverse inside a box

LMAO
LMAO likewise.

Now post the scans where it's stated or explained Owen was fantasizing/lying or delusional.
Originally posted by MrMind

It's like me holding a globe on my palm,
and say "there's an earth on my hand, and that earth died....etc"
It's nothing like that at all. Irrelevent unconnected analogy.
Originally posted by MrMind

And for some reason...they think that feat is better than

Mxy destroying/recreating everything there ever was and ever will be of the entire DC

because why the phuck not, LOL
Who said it was "better?" Pay attention son.

So, Owen is incapable of destroying the Omniverse he manipulated into a shoe-boxed sized object?

So, he can dwindle Infinite MultiverseS down to a show box size,

but somehow would have difficulty going further?

Wait
Originally posted by MrMind
LMAO
Indeed.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Owen put an omniverse in a shoe box, thats far anybody including mxy pay grade

I agree, pay attention, SON

The scene in the Ultimates is unambiguously just a representation of the previous multiverse being reborn to the new multiverse/omniverse.

https://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-e16b24ae64c254dbb1af6fa52bf48120-c

Owen even uses Cat in the box to demonstrate it so that Galactus understands it, "same broom, new handle" just seals the deal.

its just owen demonstrating the human thought experiment for galactus.

theres nothing "real" about the multiverse there. another myth busted.

next page, it's completely cleared to us that owen is just showing visual representations of different shits for giggles

https://imgur.com/QyCM4DA

nail in the coffin

Ewing actually showed Eternity changing from seventh to eighth multiverse.

https://i.postimg.cc/xTk4zQgj/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/vmyqkVyD/image.jpg

So which multiverse did Owen put into the box?

So, no scan of the Owen Omniverse being make-believe?

Just unsupported speculations.

Darn, I thought I was gonna have to debate something here.

Yall let me down.

Anyway, if anyone can produce an actual viable scan, let a brother know.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ewing actually showed Eternity changing from seventh to eighth multiverse.

https://i.postimg.cc/xTk4zQgj/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/vmyqkVyD/image.jpg

So which multiverse did Owen put into the box? ouch

just can't admit when they're wrong

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, no scan of the Owen Omniverse being make-believe?

Just unsupported speculations.

Darn, I thought I was gonna have to debate something here.

Yall let me down.

Anyway, if anyone can produce an actual viable scan, let a brother know.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
myx is FAAAR beyond anyone protege ever copied, and we know his copying powers arent unlimited because he couldnt copy scathan.

cut the no limits fallacies. protege aint copying anything about mxy

Hahahahahahaha

Tell that to those guys.

1) beyond multiversal LT
2) multiversal Eternity
3) nigh multiversal Hawkgod
4) multi-universal Beyonder
5) skyfather Mephisto and his daughter Malevolence
6) GOTG

And he did it with no effort.

Mxy would only be added so it would look like these.

1) beyond multiversal LT
2) multiversal Eternity
3) nigh multiversal Hawkgod
4) multi-universal Beyonder
5) skyfather Mephisto and his daughter Malevolence
6) GOTG
7) Mxy

Did you just really write the exact same list twice only to add 'mxy' at the end of the second one?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Did you just really write the exact same list twice only to add 'mxy' at the end of the second one?

Not write it, only copy-paste and then write Mxy

So that you would understand with completely no mistake what would Mxy mean to Protege... nothing special.

So you lumped Mxy with Skyfather Mephisto?

Originally posted by Inedian
Hahahahahahaha

Tell that to those guys.

1) beyond multiversal LT
2) multiversal Eternity
3) nigh multiversal Hawkgod
4) multi-universal Beyonder
5) skyfather Mephisto and his daughter Malevolence
6) GOTG

And he did it with no effort.

Mxy would only be added so it would look like these.

1) beyond multiversal LT
2) multiversal Eternity
3) nigh multiversal Hawkgod
4) multi-universal Beyonder
5) skyfather Mephisto and his daughter Malevolence
6) GOTG
7) Mxy lmao, wtf? none of the characters protege copied are anywhere near mxys level

and like i keep saying- protege could not copy scathans power which means his copying powers WERENT unlimited....but here you are trying to impose a no limits fallacy. dreadful

Scathan was FAR more powerful than the Omniversal LT in the story.

Phuk! ... he was more powerful than that LT + Multiversal Eternity and nigh-Multiversal Hawkgod combined.

Scathan is an enigma. An agent of TOAA?

Scathan Lee.

Interesting ey.

This is beyond science now

so now fanmade anagrams are supposed to escalate characters to greater levels? jesus ****ing christfacepalm

and scathans last name isnt "Lee" ffs

You see? The trolling dominates you.

You can't even register that I'm proposing an "idea" ...

I'm not speaking definitively.

Or, did you not know that a question mark signifies inquisitiveness for further exploration?

You can't be this simple. It's gotta be the troll affect.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Scathan was FAR more powerful than the Omniversal LT in the story.

Phuk! ... he was more powerful than that LT + Multiversal Eternity and nigh-Multiversal Hawkgod combined.

Scathan is an enigma. An agent of TOAA?

Scathan Lee.

Interesting ey.
LT was so omniversal that he wanted Ancient One's power to beat Protege.

Dr Strange is omni-omniversal, confirmed.

Also @fanfiction

So, more trolling per usual.

The LT tapped into the Ancient One's amulet which can be used as a conduit to Eternity's power.

So, while God emperor Scathan held Protege physically,

the amped LT came with the final strike.

And yes, if you have a problem with how powerful the LT was in the story,

email the writers and complain.

Originally posted by abhilegend
LT was so omniversal that he wanted Ancient One's power to beat Protege.

Dr Strange is omni-omniversal, confirmed.

Also @fanfiction double omniversal apparently lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, more trolling per usual.

The LT tapped into the Ancient One's amulet which can be used as a conduit to Eternity's power.

Why would omniversal LT need to get measly multiversal Eternity's power (which the amulet never channeled) while Eternity was just there.

Would you like to show us where LT was shown as omniversal there?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why would omniversal LT need to get measly multiversal Eternity's power

while Eternity was just there.
Why would Spectre (sent by his boss) lose to a planet scale attack?

Comics son. Like Venom stomping Superman in the canon Almagam joint.

Comics. They are "comics" after all.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Would you like to show us where LT was shown as omniversal there?
Sure, with pleasure Abhi.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The LT was confirmed 4 yearS prior to the Protege arc, as being an Omniversal entity:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361701_LT1.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Beyonder was the embodiment of his own Universe, and a multi-universal power:

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41361707_LT5.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hawkgod was nigh-Multiversal;

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361703_LT3.jpg

"is your Multiversal maturity finally at hand?"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Eternity was the embodiment of the Multiverse:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361702_LT2.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And ... the LT was above all of them:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361704_LT4.jpg

Surely above Multiversal, (Eternity) and validated omniversal 4 years prior, therefore, ... Omniversal.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
lmao, wtf? none of the characters protege copied are anywhere near mxys level

and like i keep saying- protege could not copy scathans power which means his copying powers WERENT unlimited....but here you are trying to impose a no limits fallacy. dreadful

You speak Mxy above that and that... Mxy is actually the one who hasn't met the like of Protege.

Zattana depowered Mxy. She is nothing to Scathan who doesn't approve. Scathan doesn't approve and Mxy is done for.

Scathan doesn't have the feats to back that up. Mxy does.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Scathan doesn't have the feats to back that up. Mxy does.

Scathan effortessly restraining Protege, the greatest power in MU outside of TOAA and PreR Beyonder... that's pretty good back up. And when Protege appeared, that was the time when greatest powerhouses in MU were at their best versions, at their all time peak and were literally useless against Protege, while Scathan alone was enough to restrain Protege who had all the powers of greatest powrhouses simuntaneusly including his own.

Yes, but Mxy wiped out ALL cosmics and characters throughout the DC Omniverse. Recently, in JL, he was destroying ALL of creation, including the pencil drawing the comic. He's far and above Scathan.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Yes, but Mxy wiped out ALL cosmics and characters throughout the DC Omniverse. Recently, in JL, he was destroying ALL of creation, including the pencil drawing the comic. He's far and above Scathan.

The same thing Protege would effortessly do if not for Scathan. Who is Scathan remains a mystery till this day.

#ScathanLee

Originally posted by Inedian
The same thing Protege would effortessly do if not for Scathan. Who is Scathan remains a mystery till this day.

There is a lot more cosmics in DC, though. Mxy wiped out everything, and the only thing left was a white void.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
There is a lot more cosmics in DC, though. Mxy wiped out everything, and the only thing left was a white void.

Aren't Lucifer and Michael on even higher level than Mxy though? Than also Dr Manhattan who is nowhere near feats of Mxy?

Originally posted by Inedian
Aren't Lucifer and Michael on even higher level than Mxy though? Than also Dr Manhattan who is nowhere near feats of Mxy?

In the story, we see the Vertigo characters and thus the their Multiverse. Mxy wiped out everything, like I said. No other character has that type of feat.

Ok

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why would Spectre (sent by his boss) lose to a planet scale attack?

Comics son. Like Venom stomping Superman in the canon Almagam joint.

Once again you're deflecting the point.

And was also stated to be peers against beings from other multiverses around the same time.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Quasar/Issue-50?id=54874

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Only universal.

Don't kid yourself. Hawkgod has no feats at even universal level much less multiversal level.

Eternity literally says it is not alone in the infinite multiverse. It was a universe, Aron even removed Surfer by walking out of the universe.

https://i.postimg.cc/T5Gf5mdd/image.jpg

Oh you.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Once again you're deflecting the point.
Nah, just giving you common sense about comics.

Venom >> Superman

We're dealing with comics. It's not always logical. In fact, less times than most.
Originally posted by abhilegend

And was also stated to be peers against beings from other multiverses around the same time.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Quasar/Issue-50?id=54874.
...

No "peers" during the Protege affair.

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361704_LT4.jpg

Scathan, was actually above the LT. Scathan the enigma.

But if only TOAA was above the LT, then that alludes Scathan to be ... something special.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And, NO peers during this drama either.

LT stated that Erishkigal was a potential peer to the Abstracts BENEATH him.

As for himself:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/41362998_L2.jpg

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's aside from the LT being Omniscient:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/41362997_L1.jpg

Nice find Abhi.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Only universal.
Multi-Universal:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/41362999_L3.jpg

But who's counting.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Don't kid yourself. Hawkgod has no feats at even universal level much less multiversal level.
No counter, so you'll just dismiss Eternity gauging Hawkgod's status/power for us.

And btw, he was "less" than Multiversal.

Hawkgod was NIGH-Multiversal as definitively stated by Eternity.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Eternity literally says it is not alone in the infinite multiverse.
facepalm ...

So, you were under the impression Eternity was the only sentience in the Multiverse?

Eternity is made up of countless sentient beings, and has Abstract associates like the hierarchy.

And, the writer (via Eternity) placed Hawkgod at NIGH-Multiversal ...

... but the writer clearly placed Eternity ABOVE Hawkgod ...


https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/41363027_L5.jpg


... but somehow you believe the writer portrayed Eternity as "universal"

even though this was a Multiversal drama the entire time.

Lowball till you run out of lowballs.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Oh you.
Are correct? Yes, thanx I know.

LT wasn't omniversal in GotG. jfc.

facepalm

----------------------------------------------------------------

You also forgot this Ab:

The LT was confirmed 4 yearS prior to the Protege arc, as being an Omniversal entity:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361701_LT1.jpg

... son of man these nuts yur mouth. ... yawn

Originally posted by abhilegend
Once again you're deflecting the point.

And was also stated to be peers against beings from other multiverses around the same time.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Quasar/Issue-50?id=54874

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Only universal.

Don't kid yourself. Hawkgod has no feats at even universal level much less multiversal level.

Eternity literally says it is not alone in the infinite multiverse. It was a universe, Aron even removed Surfer by walking out of the universe.

https://i.postimg.cc/T5Gf5mdd/image.jpg

Oh you. well said

as far as marvel concerend

If the comics says galalxy, it actually means AT LEAST universe
If the comics says universe, it actually means AT LEAST multiverse
If the comics says multierse, it actually means AT LEAST omniverse/megaverse

THESE ARE THE BASIC RULES

if you interpret the scans as what it's intended, WELL THAT'S JUST LOWBALLING

we simply can't have that !!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, just giving you common sense about comics.

Venom >> Superman

We're dealing with comics. It's not always logical. In fact, less times than most.

That does not mean you can just say anything and want us to accept it as a truth because comics don't make sense sometimes. That's not how this works.

That also means LT was lying.

Only if you accept LT as absolutely truthful which I don't.

Big talk from LT as usual. If he was so much more powerful, he could've just taken Starbrand from her. He didn't.

facepalm

That's not multi universal in the least.

If only we go by random statements. Kindly show any feat of Hawkgod which show him as even universal. I'll wait.

Originally posted by Mr Master
----------------------------------------------------------------

You also forgot this Ab:

The LT was confirmed 4 yearS prior to the Protege arc, as being an Omniversal entity:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361701_LT1.jpg

... son of man these nuts yur mouth. ... yawn
Different writers, different books.

GOTG LT was encompassed by a multiverse as Protege stated.

https://i.postimg.cc/TwYZgZ7d/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/1tCbHJ2p/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend

That does not mean you can just say anything and want us to accept it as a truth because comics don't make sense sometimes. That's not how this works.
So Venom >> Superman. I disagree, but if you say so.
Originally posted by abhilegend

That also means LT was lying.

Only if you accept LT as absolutely truthful which I don't.
LT is not real friend. As a fictional creation, LT does not operate in emotions.

That's Gallaguer (the writer) talking through him.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Big talk from LT as usual. If he was so much more powerful,
he could've just taken Starbrand from her. He didn't.
You're missing the point of a comic.

It's a "Quasar" book, where Quasar needs to be the hero.

In the end, Quasar saves the day.
Originally posted by abhilegend

That's not multi universal in the least.

Originally posted by abhilegend

If only we go by random statements.

Kindly show any feat of Hawkgod which show him as even universal. I'll wait.
Nah, the burden of proof to prove a negative is on you son.

I'll wait.

In Marvel Comics, during the Protege arc,
Hawkgod was gauged at NIGH-Multiversal by Gallaguer the writer via Eternity.

Any qualms with this fact, needs to be emailed to Gallaguer. I'm only conveying his portrayals.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Different writers, different books.

LT's primary objective is the mainstream Multiverse. This doesn't mean he's limited to such.

GOTG LT was encompassed by a multiverse as Protege stated.
Different writers, same characters though.

LT's primary objective is the mainstream Multiverse, this doesn't mean he's limited to such.

There are other instances where he was declared Multi-Multiversal
and was sill encompassed by Multiversal Eternity inside the same book/story.

So, iyo, the writer had the LT above Multiversal Eternity although the LT was only Multiversal.

And, although the writer clearly had Hawkgod as NIGH-Multiversal,
somehow Eternity, who was above him, was universal but above universal Beyonder.

And Beyonder was able to Dimension hop with universal power
making him a Multi-universal threat, was strangely only universal.


I disagree completely but I respect your opinion.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I already proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that during the Protege affair:

The LT was BEYOND Multiversal - Eternity was Multiversal -

Hawkgod was NIGH-Multiversal - Beyonder was MULTI-Universal

Protege became bigger than all of them,

and then Scathan easily defeated ALL the above powers combined.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The scene in the Ultimates is unambiguously just a representation of the previous multiverse being reborn to the new multiverse/omniverse.

http://i.imgur.com/Qs3Bcezh.jpg

Owen even uses Cat in the box to demonstrate it so that Galactus understands it, "same broom, new handle" just seals the deal. Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX


its just owen demonstrating the human thought experiment for galactus.

theres nothing "real" about the multiverse there. another myth busted. Originally posted by MrMind
next page, it's completely cleared to us that owen is just showing visual representations of different shits for giggles

https://imgur.com/QyCM4DA Yeah, this is probably true, tbh.

The same thought experiment(complete with the 'cat in a box' analogy) has been used in other comics to help explain the concept of quantum possibilities:

https://i.imgur.com/3efZcWU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ANKJbnA.jpg


"Point being, whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside."


tl;dr
I think it could have very well just been a visual representation of the previous multiverse that Owen whipped-up for Lifebringer, just to make him realize that much of what used to be still was... Akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:

http://i.imgur.com/Df0EWjPm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6U3QNjIm.jpg

srug

Hey there brother G,

but unless there's actual evidence that the Multiverse/omniverse is a "visualization" ...

... the feat stands.

Who knows, perhaps it is, but a direct example/s (connected) will be needed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, this is probably true, tbh.

The same thought experiment(complete with the 'cat in a box' analogy) has been used in other comics to help explain the concept of quantum possibilities:

https://i.imgur.com/3efZcWU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ANKJbnA.jpg


"Point being, whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside."


tl;dr
I think it could have very well just been a visual representation of the previous multiverse that Owen whipped-up for Lifebringer, just to make him realize that much of what used to be still was... Akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:

http://i.imgur.com/Df0EWjPm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6U3QNjIm.jpg

srug

crazy to me that some people are actually still trying to pretend like is was a real multiverse. some just cant see beyond their own biases lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
So Venom >> Superman. I disagree, but if you say so.

Don't be daft.

Or the writer was writing a hyperbole.

Again, that's not how it works. Quasar even lost at the end of the fight, Surfer won.

Already did.

So concession accepted that you got no feats on that level for hawkgod. Good.

Not in GOTG though.

Both Eternity and Hawkgod were universal.

Going to another universe doesn't makes you multi universal.

Whatever.

Only in your dreams. Eternity/Hawkgod were universal. LT was possibly multiversal. That's it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't be daft.

Or the writer was writing a hyperbole.

Again, that's not how it works. Quasar even lost at the end of the fight, Surfer won.

Already did.

So concession accepted that you got no feats on that level for hawkgod. Good.

Not in GOTG though.

Both Eternity and Hawkgod were universal.

Going to another universe doesn't makes you multi universal.

Whatever.

Only in your dreams. Eternity/Hawkgod were universal. LT was possibly multiversal. That's it. ouch

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
ouch
Eternity is twice called the universe in GOTG.

https://i.postimg.cc/k4z0N2JN/image.jpg

"He who is the universe"

https://i.postimg.cc/x8mW698w/image.jpg

"Universe itself".

But no, Eternity was multiversal, because why not.

clearly its one of those conveinent times where "universe" has to mean something more....because fanboy logic

I reread the protege gotg issues, no where did it say hawkgod being multiversal or multi-universal

scathan is just one of the legendary celestials, powerful as he is he's still just a celestial, nothing special

protege ain't all that either, it took time for protege to copy the power of LT, Eternity, Hawkgod

Originally posted by MrMind

I reread the protege gotg issues,

no where did it say

hawkgod being multiversal or multi-universal
Hmm. ... interesting. So you had read it prior, and you missed it then
and so you "re-read" and it bypassed you twice?

Btw. You's right in one sense: Hawkgod was not either "multiversal" or multi-universal"

but ... instead Hawkgod was NIGH-Multiversal:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361703_LT3.jpg

"is your Multiversal maturity finally at hand?"

------------------------------------------------------------

Originally posted by MrMind

scathan is just one of the legendary celestials,
powerful as he is he's still just a celestial, nothing special
You gotta be joking. "just a celestial?" ...
Originally posted by MrMind

protege ain't all that either, it took time for protege to copy the power of LT, Eternity, Hawkgod
Yeah, suuure, he "ain't all that" ...

... he just became the most powerful being in/out all creation (save for Scathan)
and was about to erase from existence the NIGH-Multiversal Hawkgod,
along with the rest of the com-padres listed below before he grew any hair on his face:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The LT was confirmed 4 yearS prior to the Protege arc, as being an Omniversal entity:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361701_LT1.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Beyonder was the embodiment of his own Universe,
and a multi-universal power: (dimension hopper with universal control)

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/41361707_LT5.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Eternity was the embodiment of the Multiverse:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361702_LT2.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And ... the LT was above all of them:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361704_LT4.jpg

Surely above Multiversal, (Eternity) and validated omniversal 4 years prior, therefore, ... Omniversal.

============================================

============================================


Yet still, as powerful as they all were ...

Protege was about to easily erase all of them from existence:

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/41390717_Pr1.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/41390718_Pr2.jpg


Luckily the "nothing special" Celestial Scathan was there to one-shot the combined powers above.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eternity is twice called the universe in GOTG.

https://i.postimg.cc/k4z0N2JN/image.jpg

"He who is the universe"

https://i.postimg.cc/x8mW698w/image.jpg

"Universe itself".

But no, Eternity was multiversal, because why not.
Copy pasting is so much fun!!!!

yawn

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361702_LT2.jpg

"I am the sum total of ALL that exists along the temporal axis,

yet I am far from alone in the infinite Multiverse"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't translate that to: 'I am the infinite multiverse'

Please let me know if you'd like assistance defining grammar composition.

junior high stuff.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This is why Hawkgod who was NIGH-Multiversal: ....

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41361703_LT3.jpg

"is your Multiversal maturity finally at hand?"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


was clearly placed by the writer BELOW Eternity ...


https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/41363027_L5.jpg


... but somehow you believe the writer portrayed Eternity as "universal"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


But then again after all .. as common sense would have it,

why would a universal aspect of Eternity,

be OUTSIDE the Multiverse in the Dimension of Manifestations,

involved in a drama that's MULTIVERSAL in scope from beginning to end?

Well he wouldn't be, that's just lowballing per usual.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eternity is twice called the universe in GOTG.

https://i.postimg.cc/k4z0N2JN/image.jpg

"He who is the universe"

https://i.postimg.cc/x8mW698w/image.jpg

"Universe itself".

But no, Eternity was multiversal, because why not.

Well, considering he's the:

------------------------------------------------------

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41395616/M-E.jpg.html

"Sum Total of All That Exists along the Temporal Axis" ...

Huh? ... Along the "temporal axis" of what?

"Yet I am far from alone in the infinite Multiverse"

Oh ok, I see. But what do u mean, though you're everything in the Multiverse you're not alone?

"Other sentient life forms have imagined me as blah, bah, blah"

Ahh right, you're referring to the sentient life that exists inside you.

------------------------------------------------------

Yep, makes perfect sense why you would be the universe
when you're the Multiverse which encompasses all universes inside it.
All universeS connected to the prime Multiverse which are all part of a single consciousness.

------------------------------------------------------

Welt, no need to beat this dead horse anymore.

You presented your case, and I did mine. We'll let the onlookers decide.

Have a great day Abhi.

"He-who-is-the-universe ".

Read and think.

Is but a part of he who is the Multiverse.

Therefore he who is the Multiverse, ... is ... "he who is the universe."

Peace and love Abhi.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is but a part of he who is the Multiverse.

Therefore he who is the Multiverse, ... is ... "he who is the universe."

Peace and love Abhi.
Wut? How is Eternity as stated to be a universe, suddenly a multiverse because you're just copy pasting your drivel?

I did try to be nice. ... phuk it.

-----------------------------------------------------------

If you wish to resort to your baser immature instincts

and begin chastising? Then orgasm if you must.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Why is Eternity suddenly the Multiverse?

duhh, I dunno, ... cause he phukin said so?

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/41396989_M-E.jpg

-----------------------------------------------------------


You have to read up on contextual relationships in a composition, like what Eternity says at first:

"I am the Sum Total of All That Exists along the Temporal Axis"


Should immediately precede and follow a passage to clarify its meaning, right? ... boom:

"Yet I am far from alone in the infinite Multiverse"


The subject has defined itself, its relation to the surrounding circumstances and even the theme's topic:

"Other sentient life forms have imagined me as blah, bah, blah"

-----------------------------------------------------------


My prior breakdown was using Junior High analogies since this is kid's stuff.

But I figured, if you're not purposely being obtuse, a serious explanation using Facts! might help.

Then again ....

He said, he is not alone in the multiverse, how is that being a multiverse?

Eternity was and is the embodiment of all time in a universe, hence temporal axis bit.

Your reading comprehension seriously astounds me.

Are you really dumb like that, or are you phukin with me?

He's not alone, because he's NOT alone. WTF?

He's made up of countless individual beings. He has peers, equals and superiors.

What kind of ultimate poppycock did you just jump into?

When Multiversal Eternity appeared with Infinity in the Abraxas ..

... Eternity was still the Temporal Axis bit. duh and Infinity was the Spatial Axis bit.

"Reading comprehension?" ... Dude, at this point I'm worried about your humanity's devolvement.

Eternity is a being with peers in a multiverse he embodies?

Are you serious here? Not only did you discard the flat out scans where Eternity is stated to be just a universe, twice, you have the gall to call me out?

Even Eternity's bio states that there are alternate Eternity in every alternate universe.

https://i.postimg.cc/8jFH1QQ9/image.jpg

So kindly **** off.

yawn

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Peers, indeed Eternity has, as the embodiment of the universe or Multiverse.

Infinity/Oblivion, Death and Entropy are his equals, that's peerS.

Abraxas is intrinsic to the Multiverse yet he's above Eternity the Multiverse.

uhm, without the Abstracts (chaos/order/Galactus and the other Friendless)

Eternity would not survive.

How the phuk you don't know this and have the gaul to debate Eternity?

-----------------------------------------------------------------


Eternity's bio stating he has alternates doesn't mean jack shit in this debate.

And "jack's shit" is pretty low yo.

I already explained, addressed and proved with out a shadow of a doubt,

that Eternity was the Multiverse according to GOTG #47.


-----------------------------------------------------------------


Now you got a problem with these FACTS?

Go phuk yourself into Gallaguer's good graces
and perhaps he'll tell ya, aside from leaving his sweetness in your belly.

-----------------------------------------------------------------


Neeeext!

Originally posted by Mr Master

-----------------------------------------------------------------


Eternity's bio stating he has alternates doesn't mean jack shit in this debate.


That's your default answer for anything that beats the crap out of your argument.

So yeah, concession accepted troll. Kindly **** off now.

You left to smash your life sized doll,
I heard you take your kinks seriously,
and now you've returned several minutes later
to swallow your own cyber vomit by calling me
what everyone at kmc knows is true, ... you son,
are the GOD-Troll of this network. Hands down.
So no you synthetic banging weirdo, you're the one
that needs to go back into her rough embrace,
and spend quality time sobbing, pondering,
what happened, and you'll soon realize,
this is what it feels like to become someone's b*tch.
My b*tch. Yet, you've been tossed around,
so you're kinda used up, I don't know how many
different members slaughtered you in debates
like using your head as a toilet scrub, humiliated
and abused but as always and masochist-like
you return for more cyber sphincter explosions,
until we finally just get tired of wreckin that ass.
You become a turn off, ... a yuk.

Don't try me son.

Are you high?

https://melmagazine-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w1200/s/melmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/1XjDnFVbf7Y22cfyrCFg31w.gif

Originally posted by Mr Master
You left to smash your life sized doll,
I heard you take your kinks seriously,
and now you've returned several minutes later
to swallow your own cyber vomit by calling me
what everyone at kmc knows is true, ... you son,
are the GOD-Troll of this network. Hands down.
So no you synthetic banging weirdo, you're the one
that needs to go back into her rough embrace,
and spend quality time sobbing, pondering,
what happened, and you'll soon realize,
this is what it feels like to become someone's b*tch.
My b*tch. Yet, you've been tossed around,
so you're kinda used up, I don't know how many
different members slaughtered you in debates
like using your head as a toilet scrub, humiliated
and abused but as always and masochist-like
you return for more cyber sphincter explosions,
until we finally just get tired of wreckin that ass.
You become a turn off, ... a yuk.

Don't try me son. wtf is going on here?did i just witness a complete psychological breakdown?

I like nothing better than logging onto KMC and seeing reports where 2 grown men are spazzing out over a comic book debate. Do I really need to say more, Abhi and Mr. Master? Freaking spazzes...facepalm

Deadpool, shut up. You're already close to a temp ban for your general douchebaggery the last few months. Don't push your luck. And you're a spaz too, so you're in a pot to kettle situation.

sorry. ive just never seen anything quite like that.

Don't see why not, dude copied the LT

Because LT is a chump.

In your opinion

In comics too which you don't read.

bump for legendary thread