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Well?

1). h2h
2). All allowed, minus scream
3). All allowed

SS all three

yeah ss wins all 3.

Any particular reasons why he wins all 3 - especially the 3rd one?

Has BB's stock dropped that much?

BB has no durability and combat speed

BB's not that powerful to begin with, even if SS is hit by his voice, he can survive it like many others did in the past

I agree about speed - in fact, Surfer has already outflown Black Bolt . But as far as physical stuff? Black Bolt comfortably went against Gladiator https://imgur.com/a/O8p1MHW].

And the voice? Well...
https://imgur.com/a/numlPzW
It has vastly outperformed Surfer against Thanos -- and it wasn't even the full extent of it. For comparison, Surfer:
http://i.imgur.com/qPdyStD.jpg
Black Bolt:
https://imgur.com/a/n3dBIFW

Before I'd made this thread, I thought people would say BB wins 3, is a close one in 1, and maybe loses 2. But this surprised me, tbh.

Black Bolt could definitely take the h2h, and might have the better track record.

Surfer definitely wins sans voice.

For the all out fight, it mostly just depends on which voice feats you put the most stock in, and how likely you think Surfer is to actually make good use of speed and versatility. In forum rules, maybe it's a clear Surfer win. In a direct confrontation of power, BB could definitely take it, and WOULD definitely take it in some depictions.

Lol, going by feats, Bolt would be much better off just whispering a whole bunch of words rather than doing an all out scream. The whisper feats are arguably just as good, even though it was always hinted that power output would scale with vocal output.

Originally posted by MrMind
surfer's energy blasts could be surprisingly weak sometimes

BB did better than Thor against Thanos, it was also more impressive than surfer's blast

but ultimately, Thanos was unfazed
http://i.imgur.com/MbI6kA7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Txbp2pn.png

wasn't effective against sentry...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111202308/5963790-5.jpg

the scan of stopping a mid fight of Surfer and midnight sun doesn't prove much, he cracked the ground with one word, cool I guess

and we both know none of the inhumans can beat gladiator in a fist fight

over decades, sans T-bomb, BB only has like one planetary destruction level showing from his voice
http://i.imgur.com/4TqvpDc.jpg

surfer has way better feats The level of damage Black Bolt's voice dealt to Thanos - even though he was weakened, makes Surfer's attacks on Thanos look like a gust of wind. And that Black Bolt was weakened. As you said, there's no way you can look at the performances against a common opponent, Thanos and think that his output didn't make Surfer pale by comparison.

Also, barely uttered a word and Surfer was crawling. He only whispered against Sentry, and the latter was shitting his pants:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2322627ec2e766ad03d54f996d873a85

I never said that Black Bolt can beat Gladiator in a fist fight - but you said that he has 'no durability'. Evidently he does. I mean...the previous fight with Thanos clearly shows that, too.

Surfer has better 'space cheese' *dodges Pr*, but that never really matters when he's outperforming Surfer against Thanos. Going by this, random GLs would beat the utter shit out of black bolt and contain his voice. Jessica would wtfstomp him. But we know that's not how this works. That said, Surfer is generally superior and he'd likely win #2. It's the 3 that I have problems with.

Well....I told you so, lol.

Cant Surfer just blast BB from far away?

Bolt would kill Surfer by his voice.

Silver Surfer should take this.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Silver Surfer should take this.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Silver Surfer should take this.

Speed and hax for Surfer while BB has the raw power.

Surfer has every advantage except killer instinct.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Surfer has every advantage except killer instinct.
And raw power. Bolt has overpowered Doom with Aron's power (Surfer bounced off Fury with Uatu's power lol), almost defeated Doom with Galactus power and staggered Galactus when Surfer combined with several others could not even make him notice their power.

This is Surfer.

https://i.postimg.cc/wTfBkZF7/10.jpg

This is Black Bolt.

https://i.postimg.cc/3xzJsGsh/12.jpg

Notice the difference?

Black Bolt is a shit character. The Surfer isn't.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Black Bolt is a shit character. The Surfer isn't.



Agreed with the former. Disagree with the latter.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And raw power. Bolt has overpowered Doom with Aron's power (Surfer bounced off Fury with Uatu's power lol), almost defeated Doom with Galactus power and staggered Galactus when Surfer combined with several others could not even make him notice their power.

This is Surfer.

https://i.postimg.cc/wTfBkZF7/10.jpg

This is Black Bolt.

https://i.postimg.cc/3xzJsGsh/12.jpg

Notice the difference?

Did you? The Surfer was pleading with his master and not going all out to stop him.

Boltagon would shout Norrin right out of his skin.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Did you? The Surfer was pleading with his master and not going all out to stop him. while I do agree that there's a difference, it's undeniable that Black Bolt looked superior to Umar, Satannish, Clea, the Hulk, the entire Shiar Imperial Guard (minus Gladiator), Dr Strange, Terrax, and many others. That's an absolutely insane showing, even by Herald standards. The fact that Strange outright says that he needs to use nine protective spells to protect himself and everyone else from BB's screams shows a stupid level of power.

AND they were a good distance away.

Originally posted by deathslash
while I do agree that there's a difference, it's undeniable that Black Bolt looked superior to Umar, Satannish, Clea, the Hulk, the entire Shiar Imperial Guard (minus Gladiator), Dr Strange, Terrax, and many others. That's an absolutely insane showing, even by Herald standards. The fact that Strange outright says that he needs to use nine protective spells to protect himself and everyone else from BB's screams shows a stupid level of power.

It's flat-our ridiculous. His output was greater than anybody that engaged Galactus out of all the heroes -- combined.

Originally posted by deathslash
while I do agree that there's a difference, it's undeniable that Black Bolt looked superior to Umar, Satannish, Clea, the Hulk, the entire Shiar Imperial Guard (minus Gladiator), Dr Strange, Terrax, and many others. That's an absolutely insane showing, even by Herald standards. The fact that Strange outright says that he needs to use nine protective spells to protect himself and everyone else from BB's screams shows a stupid level of power.

Per Saint, you cant use that showing, the boundaries between reality wise being screwed with. The shielding doesnt count.

You can't drive a wedge between us; our mutual love and respect is too strong.

Why would SS beat BB in h2h?

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Did you? The Surfer was pleading with his master and not going all out to stop him.
Seriously?

Silver Surfer wins.

FWIW, BB displayed some nice jumping about MA skills in his solo title.