Classic Dr. Fate vs Odin

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lawest9
Odin vs classic golden age Dr. Fate, who wins?

beatboks
This has been done.

Odin stomps GOLDEN age Fate. During the Golden Age Faye gave up the full size helmet of Nabu and all the magic that went with it. He was basically a poor mans Superman with TP, TK and mystic senses.

He also beats Classic Silver age Fate though not as much of a stomp since he had some high end magic. Still wasnt on Odin's level.

MrMind
fate easily

abhilegend
Odin. Only fate merged with Nabu has a chance.

Hector beats Odin though.

lawest9
Ok.......

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin. Only fate merged with Nabu has a chance.

Hector beats Odin though. Hector is Silver Age fate, right?

beatboks
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Hector is Silver Age fate, right?

No Hector was Fate in the 90s.

Kent Nelson was fate from 40s to just post crisis.
Handed over to Eric and Linda straus in 87.
Then Kent and Inza were reborn and Inza became Fate.
Then Hector for the 90s JSA until just before DOV.
Last pre flashpoint Fate was Kent V (the originals great grand nephew)

Adam Grimes
Ah ok. And which one is the most powerful?

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Ah ok. And which one is the most powerful? Hector been stated is the most powerful magician iirc

beatboks
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Ah ok. And which one is the most powerful?

Abhi will argue that its Hector.

IMHO it's Kent Nelson classiv Silver age level.
Hector has the same level of magic power as Kent (when he possesses the artifacts of Fate).

Kent however has more magic knowledge and could actually cast spells without said artifacts, he just needs to draw the power from somewhere. He was actually trained in magic by Nabu before being given the artifacts.

Minor spells he can cast with the mana (magical energy everywhere). more powerful one thru the artifacts of others or in places of power. for example during the time his wife Inza was Dr Fate and he was cut off from the power he and his class of archaeology students were trapped in a Fallen dig he used the energy around him to cast a spell that sent a message for help. he was also able to cast spells to heal in his Salem tower and other spells in places like Stonehenge.

In addition to the fact that he was trained and therefore a little bit more knowledgeable in magic, his body was also altered by Nabu. something that did not occur for any of the other versions or Fate, at least it wasn't shown they had such powers. As a result he was class 100 strength invulnerable except lungs. His training also allowed him TK, and TP.

After few months of his first publication he was suddenly depicted with only a half helmet instead of the full size one that would normally see worn by Dr Fate. He was also showing to be very different in power from this instance on. It was explained by Roy Thomas during all-star Squadron when he fixed up a lot of the inconsistencies that during this time he realised the helmet was slowly taking him over and Nabo was controlling his body, so he rejected it and made another helmet to continue as Dr Fate without that happening. That's why Odin would smash the golden age Dr Fate since most of his showings are just a super strong brick who occasionally does spells. Again RT wrote this is being a case by case basis and that he needed some external power or to be in a place of power.

So basically the only difference between the two is the physical powers and having some power without the artefacts as well as the fact that Kent was absolutely controlled by Nabu and it wasn't a Nabu driving when he wore the helmet where as Hector appeared a little more novice like because he was only guided by Nabu and he was actually still in charge. During the early appearances before Nabu took complete control of Kent, Kent was less novice like due to training Hector didnt have.

beatboks
Inza was stated to be the most creative. Her power of creation was better than all others but her offensive capacity was crap by comparison.

Eric and Kent V were equally bad, linda marginally above both and behind Inza by a good measure.

Nu 52 Khalid was a joke anyone could smash

abhilegend
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Ah ok. And which one is the most powerful?
Its Hector.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by beatboks
No Hector was Fate in the 90s.

Kent Nelson was fate from 40s to just post crisis.
Handed over to Eric and Linda straus in 87.
Then Kent and Inza were reborn and Inza became Fate.
Then Hector for the 90s JSA until just before DOV.
Last pre flashpoint Fate was Kent V (the originals great grand nephew)

No mention of Jared??? mad

beatboks
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No mention of Jared??? mad

Jarred was NEVER Dr Fate. He was just Fate, the Dr was out.

I loved that twist on the mantle (and have used him in tourneys) but you cant include him in a list of Dr Fates.

MrMind
Jared shown to be a impressive mage in the most recent issue of JLD

beatboks
Originally posted by MrMind
Jared shown to be a impressive mage in the most recent issue of JLD

I think you mean Khalid. He was the Dr Fate of Nu52 Earth 2. The one Dr Fate/Nabu said should be with them and who pulled Kent out of the Fate entity.

Jarred didnt appear to the best of my knowledge.
Khalid still has way too many poor showings

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by beatboks
Jarred was NEVER Dr Fate. He was just Fate, the Dr was out.

I loved that twist on the mantle (and have used him in tourneys) but you cant include him in a list of Dr Fates.

I didn't see Dr in this list:

Originally posted by beatboks
No Hector was Fate in the 90s.

Kent Nelson was fate from 40s to just post crisis.
Handed over to Eric and Linda straus in 87.
Then Kent and Inza were reborn and Inza became Fate.
Then Hector for the 90s JSA until just before DOV.
Last pre flashpoint Fate was Kent V (the originals great grand nephew)

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